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1. 01:03 AM - Hot Running 914 (Graham Singleton)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Hot Running 914 (Neville Eyre)
3. 10:19 AM - Vent scooop (Paul Stewart)
4. 10:41 AM - Access to Matronics Photo Share. (R.C.Harrison)
5. 11:00 AM - Opening window (David Corbett)
6. 11:29 AM - Re: Access to Matronics Photo Share. (Gerry Holland)
7. 11:33 AM - Re: Opening window (Gerry Holland)
8. 11:34 AM - Re: Access to Matronics Photo Share. (Peter Zutrauen)
9. 12:30 PM - Re: Access to Matronics Photo Share. (Gerry Holland)
10. 03:12 PM - Matronics Photoshare. (R.C.Harrison)
11. 04:27 PM - Re: Matronics Photoshare. (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
12. 04:37 PM - Re: Opening window (Rocketman)
13. 04:40 PM - Question about AeroPoxy (Rocketman)
14. 04:54 PM - Re: Question about AeroPoxy (Alan Stills)
15. 05:27 PM - Friction in the Finger Brake Master Cylinders (Tony Renshaw)
16. 05:33 PM - Re: Question about AeroPoxy ()
17. 05:35 PM - Dot 5.1 Retraction (Tony Renshaw)
18. 05:49 PM - Re: Opening window (Paul McAllister)
19. 06:01 PM - Re: Question about AeroPoxy (Rocketman)
20. 06:08 PM - Re: Hot Running 914 - now moving oil cooler on Classic (Pete Lawless)
21. 07:51 PM - Altimeter (Paul McAllister)
22. 08:28 PM - Re: Altimeter (Tony Krzyzewski)
23. 08:44 PM - Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? (jrolfs@c21affiliated.com)
24. 10:28 PM - Re: Opening window (Gerry Holland)
25. 11:02 PM - Re: Matronics Photoshare. (R.C.Harrison)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 23/03/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> wonder if any of you flying at high ambient temperatures 30 degrees
> Celsius +
>have any bright ideas about keeping the 914 turbo cool on climb out - 1'm
>finding
>temperatures creeping up past 120 degrees soon after take off which some
>what limits my immediate climb - it returns to 106 - 112 on cruise.Any
>hints tips
>would be really appreciated!!
>
>Mike Toft
>ZU CTG Trigear /914/Airmaster Prop - test flying!
Mike
The engine will run hotter when it is new and tight, after break in it will
cool down a little.
remember that if your coolant is 50% water it will boil at 115 deg
C (129deg at 1
bar)
Check also That the coolant collector bottle has a good sized vent to
overboard. You don't want glycol all over the windscreen.
Check for good sealing around the radiators, you must force all the cooling
air to go through them, not around the sides. The boys in Florida are
probably the best people to talk to. Jim Brown, Jim Nelson? Bob Berube if
he's not too busy
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
The engines run a bit on the hot side for the first 10 / 15 hours or so, the temps
will drop between 10 to 15 C after that.
The oil cooler can be dropped to expose half of it to cold air, which also allows
an easier path for the hot air from the water radiator to exit.
The lower cowl can be ''stood off'' from the fuselage at the bottom, use longer
bolts with spacers, you can get a 3/4'' gap at the cowl lower rear edge, this
will ''rip'' more air through.
Cheers,
Nev.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of mike toft
Subject: Europa-List: Hot Running 914
--> Europa-List message posted by: "mike toft" <watervet@mweb.co.za>
Hi All
I wonder if any of you flying at high ambient temperatures 30 degrees Celsius +
have any bright ideas about keeping the 914 turbo cool on climb out - 1'm finding
temperatures creeping up past 120 degrees soon after take off which some
what limits my immediate climb - it returns to 106 - 112 on cruise.Any hints tips
would be really appreciated!!
Mike Toft
ZU CTG Trigear /914/Airmaster Prop - test flying!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone furnish me with a copy of the cutting template referred to in
the instructions for fitting the NACA vents. I have now got a couple of
ACS cheaper eyeball vents (seem very nice) but intend to feed them from
the original scoop for which I have no template. Either email or fax
would do (+44 (0)1283 733912)
regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Access to Matronics Photo Share. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guys.
Help please?
How do I access the Matronics Photo lists?
That is just to look .... not submit any ...just look
Thanks
Bob Harrison GPTAG
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett" <David.Corbett@fwi.co.uk>
Has anyone fitted a Mecaplex sliding window - or similar - to one of their doors?
David
G-BZAM UK 265
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| Subject: | Re: Access to Matronics Photo Share. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Try:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=gallery&file=index
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Opening window |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
David
>
> Has anyone fitted a Mecaplex sliding window - or similar - to one of their
> doors?
I have a 'drop down' Window on the Port side.
It was supplied fitted by LP Aero direct from USA.
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 60% done .
Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel, Designing Heater Unit, Shoulder Width Mod.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Access to Matronics Photo Share. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
link as shown at the bottom of the postings....
Cheers,
Pete
PS- yip, your fine ship is in there..... :-)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C.Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk]
Subject: Europa-List: Access to Matronics Photo Share.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guys.
Help please?
How do I access the Matronics Photo lists?
That is just to look .... not submit any ...just look
Thanks
Bob Harrison GPTAG
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| Subject: | Re: Access to Matronics Photo Share. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Bob
> Try:
> > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=gallery&file=index
Sorry. Got wrong one. Should have read your comments properly!
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Matronics Photoshare. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Thanks, guys about the photo share at the bottom of the postings but........ all
it does is invite me to submit.... it doesn't give an option to look at what
is there?
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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"Europa-List: Matronics Photoshare." (Mar 24, 3:41pm)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Its all there!! You just have to scroll down to the good stuff on the
page!
Matt Dralle
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>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
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>Thanks, guys about the photo share at the bottom of the postings but........ all
it does is invite me to submit.... it doesn't give an option to look at what
is there?
>
>Regards
>Bob H G-PTAG
>
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| Subject: | Re: Opening window |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Gerry Holland wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
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>David
>
>
>>Has anyone fitted a Mecaplex sliding window - or similar - to one of their
>>doors?
>>
>>
>I have a 'drop down' Window on the Port side.
>It was supplied fitted by LP Aero direct from USA.
>
>Gerry
>
>Europa 384 G-FIZY
>Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
>Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
>Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 60% done .
>Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
>Activity on Panel, Designing Heater Unit, Shoulder Width Mod.
>
>
>
>
Gerry,
What is the shoulder width mod?
Jeff
N55XS, Just starting out...
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| Subject: | Question about AeroPoxy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Anyone know the shelf life of AeroPoxy and the 3660 hardner? Not listed
on the containers. Also, is the hardner suppose to be dark red? Sorry
if these have been addressed before...
--
Jeff
N55XS, Just getting started...
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| Subject: | Re: Question about AeroPoxy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
JEFF,
Although I don't know the shelf life of the Aeropoxy I can answer the second
half of your question. The Aeropoxy hardner runs from light amber to dark
red. It's all the same but different colors. I also checked on that as I've
run into both when ordering.
Al Stills
A095
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Question about AeroPoxy
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Anyone know the shelf life of AeroPoxy and the 3660 hardner? Not listed
> on the containers. Also, is the hardner suppose to be dark red? Sorry
> if these have been addressed before...
>
> --
> Jeff
> N55XS, Just getting started...
>
>
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| Subject: | Friction in the Finger Brake Master Cylinders |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I have read about the sticky nature of these levers, so I read around and
found out the following. The brake fluid DOT 5.1 is half as viscous as DOT
4, and the other petroleum based fluids. This means a system filled with
DOT 5.1 provides quicker lever response, better modulation and faster pad
retraction When servicing, the lower viscosity facilitates bleeding and pad
adjustment. It also doesn't rot paint if it leaks out!! I reckon this is a
good one alone. Also, the seals is the issue. The Jamar brake cylinder has
Buna N seals, and so too do my Grove brakes, therefore I suppose also this
may be the case for Clevelands and others. Buna N seems to be taking over
because it will take silicone based and petroleum based fluids, plus a
bunch of others.
I think I'll give it a go.
More on the Jamar master cylinder-
OK,
The manufacturer is Jamar performance products. Link below. The phone
contact is Frank. Nice and friendly. The master cylinder is model no.
US2002X. The seals are Buna N seals, compatible with Dot 3,5,8 , ATF
fluid?? and therefore most synthetic fluids.
To clean out the cylinder he recommends hot soapy water. I have found
acetone bath is good too with a toothbrush, except obviously on the seals.
The end holes are 1/8" NPT. The grub screws are to seal the external sides
of the 2 chambers which are linked by a small hole that passes sideways
right through component. The grub screws should be locktited in position
and do not need to be removed for servicing, unless of course you feel that
the hole between the chambers might have become compromised in service.
Thats it for now.
http://jamarperformance.com/Default.htm
Click Here, down to products, Steering. ..........your there.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: Question about AeroPoxy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <europabill@bellsouth.net>
Don't use it if the hardner is dark red or brown. They don't give a shelf
life, but I think it's about 1yr. The hardner should be a light amber
color. I bought some from Aircraft Spruce and it was dark red when I
received it. I call them and they sent me a new bottle.
Bill
A010 Monowheel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Question about AeroPoxy
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Anyone know the shelf life of AeroPoxy and the 3660 hardner? Not listed
> on the containers. Also, is the hardner suppose to be dark red? Sorry
> if these have been addressed before...
>
> --
> Jeff
> N55XS, Just getting started...
>
>
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| Subject: | Dot 5.1 Retraction |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
If you are interested in brake fluids, before you spot my deliberate
mistake, I should retract my comment about 5.1 being non aggresive to
paint. These bloody numbers are confusing. Dot 5 is the synthetic, silicone
based variety that doesn't rot paint. Dot 5.1 is the petroleum variety, and
since the others rot paint I can only presume this one does too. I do know
it is expensive, and hard to get, but if it leaks out when you are away
from home, well you can top it up with the other Dot varieties, and I think
even Automatic Transmission Fluid without it rotting your seals, and then
you can flush it all out and replace the fluid, without having to replace
the seals. So, I now think the rotting variety, albeit the best one being
Dot 5.1 is the way to go, just don't let it get out !
Hope this helps somebody. It is helping me to get it out there anyway.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Opening window |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Gerry,
Were you able to get it in the brown colour Plexiglas as supplied to the UK
Europa's ?
Paul
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Opening window
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> David
> >
> > Has anyone fitted a Mecaplex sliding window - or similar - to one of
their
> > doors?
> I have a 'drop down' Window on the Port side.
> It was supplied fitted by LP Aero direct from USA.
>
> Gerry
>
> Europa 384 G-FIZY
> Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
> Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
> Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 60% done .
> Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
> Activity on Panel, Designing Heater Unit, Shoulder Width Mod.
>
> http://www.g-fizy.com
> +44 7808 402404
> gnholland@onetel.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about AeroPoxy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
europabill@bellsouth.net wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <europabill@bellsouth.net>
>
>Don't use it if the hardner is dark red or brown. They don't give a shelf
>life, but I think it's about 1yr. The hardner should be a light amber
>color. I bought some from Aircraft Spruce and it was dark red when I
>received it. I call them and they sent me a new bottle.
>Bill
>A010 Monowheel
>
>
Thanks for the replies, guys. A test run shows that the stuff is
hardning, but I don't know if I trust it. I think I'll call the number
on the can, tomorrow and get their "technical" input... :)
Jeff
N55XS, Just getting started...
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| Subject: | Hot Running 914 - now moving oil cooler on Classic |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi Neville
Is there an easy way to drop the oil cooler on a 'Classic'? I will have to
shift mine sometime before the summer, it only just makes the 5 minute climb
without the oil temp hitting the stops.
Regards
Pete
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I put my Europa into the avionics shop to have the pitot static system calibrated
and the altimeter was deemed defective. I was thinking of purchasing a non
tso import from AC Spruce. Has anyone had any experience with these. The part
number is 10-04400 and at $178.00 the are a good deal cheaper than the tso'd
products.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
I bopught one a couple of years ago. Despite the fact that it had a
calibration sheet supplied it insisted that my local airfield was 250'
higher than reality. It now sits in my office as a barometer.
Tony
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Tony S Krzyzewski Managing Director
Ph +64 9 274 1590 Kaon Technologies Ltd
Fx +64 9 274 1593 PO Box 58521
Cell 021 921 988 Greenmount
tonyk@kaon.co.nz Auckland NZ
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Altimeter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
--> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I put my Europa into the avionics shop to have the pitot static system
calibrated and the altimeter was deemed defective. I was thinking of
purchasing a non tso import from AC Spruce. Has anyone had any
experience with these. The part number is 10-04400 and at $178.00 the
are a good deal cheaper than the tso'd products.
Paul
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| Subject: | Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: jrolfs@c21affiliated.com
Men,
I'm a complete novice at the XS.. my dream is to fly..wife&I cross country.
I need a very light XS, TURBO, TRI GEAR, IFR, W/ LONG RANGE TANKS...THE TWO OF
US WEIGH 340, 28 GAL FULE= 168 BAGGAGE=70...I'v seen a couple A/P at 900# empty
IS THERE A WAY TO DO LIGHTER ON EMPTY WEIGHT ON THIS COMBO? WHAT COMBO OF
INSTREMENTS WOULD BE LIGHT BUT ADIQUATE FOR ILS APPROCH?? WHAT WEIGHTS DO YOU
SEE FOR THIS COMBO?
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP JR WIS
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| Subject: | Re: Opening window |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Paul Hi! You Ok?
>
> Were you able to get it in the brown colour Plexiglas as supplied to the UK
> Europa's ?
>
There were a range of colours. Graham S. might be able to throw light on
this. Spring is springing in Derbyshire and they start to emerge from their
Caves at this time to gather wood for next years hibernation!!!
Do not archive
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics Photoshare. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! All
Thanks again ....... I just wasn't being patient enough for the index page
to load!!!! Well I always was impulsive that's why I have a Europa !!!!!!and
a Jabiru six ?????
Regards to all.
Bob H G-PTAG
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Matronics Photoshare.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
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