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1. 12:08 AM - Re: Dot 5.1 Retraction (ivor.phillips)
2. 12:33 AM - Re: Dot 5.1 Retraction (Richard)
3. 12:37 AM - Re: Opening window (G-IANI)
4. 01:25 AM - Opening window (Graham Singleton)
5. 03:44 AM - Re: Dot 5.1 Retraction (Richard Holder)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: To all the wives... (David Legge dlegge)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: Vent scooop (rlborger)
8. 07:44 AM - Re: Hot Running 914 - now moving oil cooler on Classic (Neville Eyre)
9. 08:03 AM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins - Friday, 26th March - Seething (William Mills)
10. 08:11 AM - Re: To all the wives... (R.C.Harrison)
11. 09:52 AM - Re: To all the wives... (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
12. 10:30 AM - vent scoop (Paul Stewart)
13. 11:39 AM - Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? (n3eu@comcast.net)
14. 02:13 PM - Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? (Rob Housman)
15. 04:00 PM - Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? (Paul McAllister)
16. 04:37 PM - Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? (Paul McAllister)
17. 04:44 PM - Re: Opening window (Paul McAllister)
18. 06:56 PM - Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? (n3eu@comcast.net)
19. 09:59 PM - Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? (Kingsley Hurst)
20. 11:18 PM - Re: Dot 5.1 Retraction (Richard)
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| Subject: | Re: Dot 5.1 Retraction |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
BUT DOT 5.1 Glycol based brake fluid is NOT combatable with the MATCO
CALIPER SEALS, IT WILL CAUSE THEM TO SWELL OVER TIME,
one of the guys in the UK had his brakes binding after leaving the parking
brake on over night, To move it meant cracking open the bleed nipples,
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed,working on rudder cables,
trial fit top and wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Dot 5.1 Retraction
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> If you are interested in brake fluids, before you spot my deliberate
> mistake, I should retract my comment about 5.1 being non aggresive to
> paint. These bloody numbers are confusing. Dot 5 is the synthetic,
silicone
> based variety that doesn't rot paint. Dot 5.1 is the petroleum variety,
and
> since the others rot paint I can only presume this one does too. I do know
> it is expensive, and hard to get, but if it leaks out when you are away
> from home, well you can top it up with the other Dot varieties, and I
think
> even Automatic Transmission Fluid without it rotting your seals, and then
> you can flush it all out and replace the fluid, without having to replace
> the seals. So, I now think the rotting variety, albeit the best one being
> Dot 5.1 is the way to go, just don't let it get out !
> Hope this helps somebody. It is helping me to get it out there anyway.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Dot 5.1 Retraction |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Tony,
Check the seals in the brake callipers are also compatible with Dot 5.1
before filling. I don't think mine are.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Dot 5.1 Retraction
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Paul Brodie G-BYFG has a pair of Mecaplex sliding windows fitted. I have a
picture if you would like to see it. I have a pair for G-IANI but I decided
to leave them out until we have some operational experience with the face
level vents already fitted. They are quite expensive and the thought of
possibly breaking the window glazing while fitting them frightens me. I
have fitted one to a small piece window to see how it is done.
As far as I know they are not available tinted to match the screen colour.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/03/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>Gerry,
>Were you able to get it in the brown colour Plexiglas as supplied to the UK
>Europa's ?
>Paul
No, but you could get some bonze acrylic and make your own slider to fit
the Mekaplex rails. It's Plexiglas GS brown 2822. The factory should have
some scrap offcuts and so have I.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Dot 5.1 Retraction |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
As I understand it only DOT 5.0 may be used with the Mod 65 finger brake
system. Fully synthetic it does not rot paint OR affect the seals.
DOT 5 can be used with any of the braking systems offered by Europa.
DOT 3, 4 or 5.1 should be used with the monowheel.
"Aviation hydraulic fluid" should be used with the tri-gear with standard
master cylinders - after changing the seals in the master cylinders.
There is a possibility that 5.1 works with the tri-gear set-up but Andy
didn't know its specification.
And I have re-read this and the DOT numbers are correct !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> If you are interested in brake fluids, before you spot my deliberate
> mistake, I should retract my comment about 5.1 being non aggresive to
> paint. These bloody numbers are confusing. Dot 5 is the synthetic, silicone
> based variety that doesn't rot paint. Dot 5.1 is the petroleum variety, and
> since the others rot paint I can only presume this one does too. I do know
> it is expensive, and hard to get, but if it leaks out when you are away
> from home, well you can top it up with the other Dot varieties, and I think
> even Automatic Transmission Fluid without it rotting your seals, and then
> you can flush it all out and replace the fluid, without having to replace
> the seals. So, I now think the rotting variety, albeit the best one being
> Dot 5.1 is the way to go, just don't let it get out !
> Hope this helps somebody. It is helping me to get it out there anyway.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | To all the wives... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Legge dlegge" <dlegge@socal.rr.com>
Bob,
My wife is like yours. Yearly we take a trip to Reno. I suggested that when
our kit was flying we could use it to make that trip. Hoping that proving
the usefulness of such a machine will justify in her eyes the effort to
build it. Her reply was Then you can leave three hours after I leave in the
car. Sigh.
At least I have her 100% support for my project. Just so long as I keep the
life insurance paid up.
David Legge
Sagus, Ca
Europa Tri-Gear Month 4.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Subject: Re: Europa-List: To all the wives...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Robin.
You don't happen to have a Sister do you?!
Welcome to the Europa Saga.
You just may be a little optimistic reckoning on two years!
But you can fly with me anytime, since my wife Jan watched me build G-PTAG
over four years and has only sat in it in the garage ....... with the garage
door firmly closed inspite of it approaching its fourth season flying !
Good Luck with the build the Europa Forum is a mine of help and information.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa 337 MKI (Trike/Mono Convertible) /Jabiru 3300
(458 Hours)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <rob@evergreensecurity.com>
Subject: Europa-List: To all the wives...
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob" <rob@evergreensecurity.com>
>
> To all the wives..
>
> Okay I need to introduce myself My name is Robin wife of the newest europa
> owner. I told my husband Rob that he couldn't buy a rotorway so we have
> decided on a Europa Tri-gear. So please tell me when the glassy eyed
glazed
> over look goes away..Ha ha just kidding I am very excited to be involved
> with Robs dream. I guess I need to learn how to build a website.. So see
> you all in the air.. in a couple years..
>
> P.S. How many of you wives have your pilots license and do your husbands
> let you fly????
>
>
> Talk to you all soon.
>
> Robin
>
> The number 1 sander in the henderson garage (oops I mean HANGER)
>
> bye
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Paul,
Attached is a .jpg file of a scan from my installation sheet. If you
print it at 100%, it should provide you what you need.
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Hot Running 914 - now moving oil cooler on Classic |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi,
With regard to oil cooling on the Classic instalation, the oil cooler can be removed
from the back of the Port water radiator, and mounted in the lower cowl
underneath the spinner. Best way is to form a ''chin scoop'' for air to enter,
but cutting a ''smiley'' seems to work OK. There should be a ''ramp'' to guide
the air into the cooler.
Make up mounting brackets from 3mm plywood and Bid, similar to the rad' with anchor
nuts and AN3 bolts, and you will need some new Conti hose to hook it up.
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hot Running 914 - now moving oil cooler on
Classic
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi Neville
Is there an easy way to drop the oil cooler on a 'Classic'? I will have to
shift mine sometime before the summer, it only just makes the 5 minute climb
without the oil temp hitting the stops.
Regards
Pete
---
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins - Friday, 26th March - Seething |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi, All,
The weather looks good tomorrow (Friday), so if you feel like a fly, why not
join me at Seething (9 NM SSE of Norwich) (Free Landing Voucher in "Pilot").
I am assured Europas will be
made most welcome. (I happened to speak to a fan) All circuits to the
South and avoid the local habitation when below 1000 ft.
No lunches available on weekdays, but refreshments will be available, so
perhaps bring a sandwich.
Hope to see some of you tomorrow.
Regards,
William
(Do not Archive)
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| Subject: | Re: To all the wives... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! David.
Thanks for your contribution. .....Of course it does get us "out from
under their wings " so it ain't all bad!
I wonder how long they'd be refusing to fly if they really knew what "boys
at play" get up to !!!!!.
I did wonder why the whole family insisted that I take out the full
insurance cover also.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
......for God's sake.......... destroy this message !!!!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Legge dlegge" <dlegge@socal.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: To all the wives...
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Legge dlegge"
<dlegge@socal.rr.com>
>
> Bob,
>
> My wife is like yours. Yearly we take a trip to Reno. I suggested that
when
> our kit was flying we could use it to make that trip. Hoping that proving
> the usefulness of such a machine will justify in her eyes the effort to
> build it. Her reply was Then you can leave three hours after I leave in
the
> car. Sigh.
>
> At least I have her 100% support for my project. Just so long as I keep
the
> life insurance paid up.
>
> David Legge
> Sagus, Ca
> Europa Tri-Gear Month 4.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: To all the wives...
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Robin.
> You don't happen to have a Sister do you?!
> Welcome to the Europa Saga.
> You just may be a little optimistic reckoning on two years!
> But you can fly with me anytime, since my wife Jan watched me build G-PTAG
> over four years and has only sat in it in the garage ....... with the
garage
> door firmly closed inspite of it approaching its fourth season flying !
> Good Luck with the build the Europa Forum is a mine of help and
information.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa 337 MKI (Trike/Mono Convertible) /Jabiru 3300
> (458 Hours)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob" <rob@evergreensecurity.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: To all the wives...
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob" <rob@evergreensecurity.com>
> >
> > To all the wives..
> >
> > Okay I need to introduce myself My name is Robin wife of the newest
europa
> > owner. I told my husband Rob that he couldn't buy a rotorway so we have
> > decided on a Europa Tri-gear. So please tell me when the glassy eyed
> glazed
> > over look goes away..Ha ha just kidding I am very excited to be
involved
> > with Robs dream. I guess I need to learn how to build a website.. So
see
> > you all in the air.. in a couple years..
> >
> > P.S. How many of you wives have your pilots license and do your
husbands
> > let you fly????
> >
> >
> > Talk to you all soon.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > The number 1 sander in the henderson garage (oops I mean HANGER)
> >
> > bye
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To all the wives... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To All,
I have learned early in life and have carried this into my Europa
build...........
"Never be worth more dead than alive!"
It may give some people ideas.
Do Not Archive.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear assembled and soon
to be fitted.
But Sun-N-Fun comes soon!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Thanks to all who replied with faxes, pdf's and jpg's .
Regards
Paul G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> Men,
> I'm a complete novice at the XS.. my dream is to fly..wife&I cross country.
> I need a very light XS, TURBO, TRI GEAR, IFR, W/ LONG RANGE TANKS...THE TWO OF
> US WEIGH 340, 28 GAL FULE= 168 BAGGAGE=70...I'v seen a couple A/P at 900# empty
> IS THERE A WAY TO DO LIGHTER ON EMPTY WEIGHT ON THIS COMBO? WHAT COMBO OF
> INSTREMENTS WOULD BE LIGHT BUT ADIQUATE FOR ILS APPROCH?? WHAT WEIGHTS DO YOU
> SEE FOR THIS COMBO?
> THANKS FOR YOUR HELP JR WIS
With the aux tank (which if works OK on the trigear will impinge more into baggage
space), you're going to be on a tight budget weight-wise. IFR avionics need
not add much, but what really hurt are things like (IFR necessary) dual battery/alternator,
controllable pitch prop, interior upholstery on more than the
seats, night lights, and wheel fairings. What hurts for IFR is if you'd rather
not do IFR with only one comm and nav. Also, too many mods you see here, though
many worthwhile, start adding up.
Only lightweight ILS I know of worth actually using down to actual 200-1/2 is the
Narco Nav 122D. Or a used Nav 122, but the first Narco repair bill can cancel
the savings. Very light GPS map/comms are the Garmin/AT GX-series, letting
you get away with one VOR/LOC box -- Nav122D can $optionally$ be its CDI. W/o
a 10-lb. ADF or faking it with enroute-only GPS, a MB rcvr is handy, and further
w/o approach-certified GPS to do the NDB overlay, when the nonfederal VOR
craps at my home field, you land elsewhere. Or ask for vectors to the NDB 10
- it's over a big lake, duck under and track toward the Convenient Food Mart
near the shore, thence hang a right for short final to 23! IOW, serious IFR means
weight or $$.
I'd figure on 850 at least for an IFR 914, but one way out is forget aux fuel.
Just plan for shorter legs and often shoot approaches into the darndest places
and mess with void times or picking up clearances aloft. Can your wife do IFR
copilot chores? :-)
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Um, Fred, you missed the obvious. The ideal weight for a slightly above
average (by North American standards) height, medium build, man is 160 lb
and the comparable woman is 134 lb, so unless we have two taller than
average people, there's about 46 extra pounds sitting in the seats. There
isn't enough room in the panel for 46 lb of avionics!! Alternatively, that
extra weight's the equivalent of almost 8 gallons of fuel.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of n3eu@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ?
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> Men,
> I'm a complete novice at the XS.. my dream is to fly..wife&I cross
country.
> I need a very light XS, TURBO, TRI GEAR, IFR, W/ LONG RANGE TANKS...THE
TWO OF
> US WEIGH 340, 28 GAL FULE= 168 BAGGAGE=70...I'v seen a couple A/P at 900#
empty
> IS THERE A WAY TO DO LIGHTER ON EMPTY WEIGHT ON THIS COMBO? WHAT COMBO OF
> INSTREMENTS WOULD BE LIGHT BUT ADIQUATE FOR ILS APPROCH?? WHAT WEIGHTS DO
YOU
> SEE FOR THIS COMBO?
> THANKS FOR YOUR HELP JR WIS
With the aux tank (which if works OK on the trigear will impinge more into
baggage space), you're going to be on a tight budget weight-wise. IFR
avionics need not add much, but what really hurt are things like (IFR
necessary) dual battery/alternator, controllable pitch prop, interior
upholstery on more than the seats, night lights, and wheel fairings. What
hurts for IFR is if you'd rather not do IFR with only one comm and nav.
Also, too many mods you see here, though many worthwhile, start adding up.
Only lightweight ILS I know of worth actually using down to actual 200-1/2
is the Narco Nav 122D. Or a used Nav 122, but the first Narco repair bill
can cancel the savings. Very light GPS map/comms are the Garmin/AT
GX-series, letting you get away with one VOR/LOC box -- Nav122D can
$optionally$ be its CDI. W/o a 10-lb. ADF or faking it with enroute-only
GPS, a MB rcvr is handy, and further w/o approach-certified GPS to do the
NDB overlay, when the nonfederal VOR craps at my home field, you land
elsewhere. Or ask for vectors to the NDB 10 - it's over a big lake, duck
under and track toward the Convenient Food Mart near the shore, thence hang
a right for short final to 23! IOW, serious IFR means weight or $$.
I'd figure on 850 at least for an IFR 914, but one way out is forget aux
fuel. Just plan for shorter legs and often shoot approaches into the
darndest places and mess with void times or picking up clearances aloft.
Can your wife do IFR copilot chores? :-)
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi,
Here is some real field data. Mine came in at 860 lbs and I didn't put a
whole pile of stuff in it. I suspect that I went overboard with
filler/primer in quest of that "perfect finish". I'd estimate I gave up
10~20 pounds.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: <jrolfs@c21affiliated.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: jrolfs@c21affiliated.com
>
>
> Men,
> I'm a complete novice at the XS.. my dream is to fly..wife&I cross
country.
> I need a very light XS, TURBO, TRI GEAR, IFR, W/ LONG RANGE TANKS...THE
TWO OF
> US WEIGH 340, 28 GAL FULE= 168 BAGGAGE=70...I'v seen a couple A/P at 900#
empty
> IS THERE A WAY TO DO LIGHTER ON EMPTY WEIGHT ON THIS COMBO? WHAT COMBO OF
> INSTREMENTS WOULD BE LIGHT BUT ADIQUATE FOR ILS APPROCH?? WHAT WEIGHTS DO
YOU
> SEE FOR THIS COMBO?
> THANKS FOR YOUR HELP JR WIS
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Whoops,
I had attached an excel file to this and meant to send it off list... sorry
Paul
do not archive
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From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi,
>
> Here is some real field data. Mine came in at 860 lbs and I didn't put a
> whole pile of stuff in it. I suspect that I went overboard with
> filler/primer in quest of that "perfect finish". I'd estimate I gave up
> 10~20 pounds.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jrolfs@c21affiliated.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: jrolfs@c21affiliated.com
> >
> >
> > Men,
> > I'm a complete novice at the XS.. my dream is to fly..wife&I cross
> country.
> > I need a very light XS, TURBO, TRI GEAR, IFR, W/ LONG RANGE TANKS...THE
> TWO OF
> > US WEIGH 340, 28 GAL FULE= 168 BAGGAGE=70...I'v seen a couple A/P at
900#
> empty
> > IS THERE A WAY TO DO LIGHTER ON EMPTY WEIGHT ON THIS COMBO? WHAT COMBO
OF
> > INSTREMENTS WOULD BE LIGHT BUT ADIQUATE FOR ILS APPROCH?? WHAT WEIGHTS
DO
> YOU
> > SEE FOR THIS COMBO?
> > THANKS FOR YOUR HELP JR WIS
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Opening window |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi mate,
Well the Europa is at the airport and close to being ready for its final
inspection. My altimeter failed its pitot static check so I have ordered
another one, but I don't think a signed off pitot system is a requirement.
I have to do a gear retract and fit up the fuel gauge, debug the intercom
and that's about it. Then its time to figure out how to get some take off's
and landings in one of these darn things.
A bit of bad news for Sun 'n fun. It turns out that Jenny only has from the
8th to the 13th off so I don't think we are going to make it to the show, I
am a bit bummed about that as I was hoping to hang out with the Europa
guys, drink beer and tell lies.... ah well
Cheers, Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Opening window
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Paul Hi! You Ok?
> >
> > Were you able to get it in the brown colour Plexiglas as supplied to the
UK
> > Europa's ?
> >
> There were a range of colours. Graham S. might be able to throw light on
> this. Spring is springing in Derbyshire and they start to emerge from
their
> Caves at this time to gather wood for next years hibernation!!!
>
> Do not archive
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> Um, Fred, you missed the obvious. The ideal weight for a slightly
> above average (by North American standards) height, medium build, man
> is 160 lb and the comparable woman is 134 lb, so unless we have two
> taller than average people, there's about 46 extra pounds sitting
> in the seats. There isn't enough room in the panel for 46 lb of
> avionics!!
> Best regards,
> Rob Housman
If so, his wife maybe should have no access to his posts, but I do have some concrete-filled
avionics on the shelf that'll fit and whack away at that 46 pounds!
And it now looks like ILS, VOR/comm, GPS map/comm, xponder, marker, traffic
detector, audio panel, gyros, AofA, backup ASI to MicroEncoder, stupid ELT
remote thing, one eyeball vent, and I'll still have room for 2 3-1/8" whatever
(stock panel).
I just took the inquirer's #'s at face (+ he forgot the weight of the aux tank)
so about 820# empty for a tri-gear. On the published list, only one that's near
sales brochure weight is suspiciously under - may have just a "cat and a duck"
for instrumentation, if you've heard that one before, or see:
http://www.forpilots.com/archive/rec.aviation.piloting/21/msg21660.htm
which could add that cats have very sensitive hearing, able to hear collapsing
tappets, so no engine instruments needed.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Fred F wrote: - may have just a "cat and a duck" for instrumentation, if
you've heard that one before
You must apply a different modus operandi with your cats when in I.F.
conditions Fred. I've always been told the reason we carry a cat is
that if we see it standing on the roof, we know we are upside down!!
Do not archive
Regs
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Dot 5.1 Retraction |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I mistakenly used DOT 5.1 in my standard toe brakes and returned after a
few weeks away to find my brakes locked solid. I had to crack the bleed
screw to release them so I guess one or the other of the seals in the
system had swelled. Now replaced with finger brakes + DOT 5 silicone.
Richard Iddon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dot 5.1 Retraction
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
As I understand it only DOT 5.0 may be used with the Mod 65 finger brake
system. Fully synthetic it does not rot paint OR affect the seals.
DOT 5 can be used with any of the braking systems offered by Europa.
DOT 3, 4 or 5.1 should be used with the monowheel.
"Aviation hydraulic fluid" should be used with the tri-gear with
standard master cylinders - after changing the seals in the master
cylinders.
There is a possibility that 5.1 works with the tri-gear set-up but Andy
didn't know its specification.
And I have re-read this and the DOT numbers are correct !
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