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1. 01:06 AM - Rotax tacho wiring (Simonnash41@aol.com)
2. 01:31 AM - Re: Rotax tacho wiring (G-IANI)
3. 02:08 AM - Re: Rotax tacho wiring (Mark Burton)
4. 08:06 AM - Open letter to John Lawton, Dunlop TN (Fergus Kyle)
5. 09:25 AM - Re: Question about AeroPoxy (Europa Aircraft)
6. 09:35 AM - Re: Fuel smell (Europa Aircraft)
7. 10:58 AM - Re: Fuel smell ()
8. 03:03 PM - Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? (Rowland Carson)
9. 03:22 PM - Rudder Cable Max bend ability (Tony Renshaw)
10. 03:47 PM - Fw: Aeropoxy (rlborger)
11. 04:11 PM - Re: Rudder Cable Max bend ability (David Glauser)
12. 04:15 PM - Re: Rudder Cable Max bend ability (James Nelson)
13. 05:02 PM - Aeropoxy (rlborger)
14. 05:49 PM - Rough running 912S (Richard)
15. 06:00 PM - Re: Fw: Aeropoxy (John & Amy Eckel)
16. 06:02 PM - Another question (Rocketman)
17. 06:50 PM - Re: Rough running 912S (Cliff Shaw)
18. 07:52 PM - Re: Fw: Aeropoxy (Fergus Kyle)
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| Subject: | Rotax tacho wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Simonnash41@aol.com
Hi all,
I am currently wiring the pannel. The tacho has 3 pins numbered 1, 2, 3 does
anyone have what these correspond to.
Regards
Simon
Builder 495 mono, hightop, 914, airmaster.
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| Subject: | Rotax tacho wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
I had trouble with this. Pins 13 and 26 on the TCU are the Tacho output. I
have feed TCU pin 26 to pin 2 on the Rotax Tacho and TCU pin 13 to Rotax
Tacho Pin 3 (Rotax Tacho Pin 1 is +12V). TCU Pin 26 is also connected (in
parallel) to pin 5 on the EIS . Both the Rotax tacho and the EIS appear to
display RPM OK.
Hope this helps
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
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Simonnash41@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax tacho wiring
--> Europa-List message posted by: Simonnash41@aol.com
Hi all,
I am currently wiring the pannel. The tacho has 3 pins numbered 1, 2, 3
does anyone have what these correspond to.
Regards
Simon
Builder 495 mono, hightop, 914, airmaster.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax tacho wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
Hello Simon,
> I am currently wiring the pannel. The tacho has 3 pins numbered 1,
> 2, 3 does anyone have what these correspond to.
1 = +12V
2 = Ground
3 = Tacho input from engine
Be aware that the Rotax analogue tacho units as shipped can often be
wildly inaccurate. An error of more than 500 RPM is not unheard of!
They also drift and need to be recalibrated occasionally. Best avoided.
Regards,
Mark
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| Subject: | Open letter to John Lawton, Dunlop TN |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
John,
I have just finished the installation of the #52 Heaviweight Mod
and wanted to thank you for your prior description of the process. I did not
use exactly the same sequence, but benefitted greatly from your full
description. It was particularly detailed and useful - although I found the
manual equally trouble-free once I cottoned onto the idea that you can't
drill some things too carefully!
My apologies for the open letter, but wanted you to know how
worthy your time and trouble became.
Thanks again,
Ferg Kyle
Classic A064 914
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| Subject: | Question about AeroPoxy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
Please call PTM&W for any tech questions about aeropoxy.
Phone number 1-800-421-1518
They will be very glad to answer your questions.
Happy Building!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rocketman
Subject: Europa-List: Question about AeroPoxy
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Anyone know the shelf life of AeroPoxy and the 3660 hardner? Not listed
on the containers. Also, is the hardner suppose to be dark red? Sorry
if these have been addressed before...
--
Jeff
N55XS, Just getting started...
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
The "fuel smell" is related to the type of fuel, and lines in the aircraft.
The factory now has available new 8mm, and 6mm flexible fuel line which I
have yet to detect any smell from. This is close to what is referred to as
"fuel injection hose" at US auto part stores. It usually sells for about $4
/ foot.
We have also experimented with a marine grade "red stripe" (not to be
confused with the Jamaican Beer) fuel line for the elbow with success if
that is where your smell is.
The last airplane that I test flew had no detectable fuel smell at all with
all using the new type flex hose & auto fuel.
Hope that helps!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel smell
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I know this is an old topic, but I have a faint smell of auto gas in my
Europa. I have replaced the elbow with an aluminum one and tightened all of
the hose clips to no avail.
I be interested in some best practices in debugging this problem.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi John
I have used clear polyurethane tubing that is impervious to fuel. It is
kind of neat because you can see the level of fuel as you fill.
Do you have an ETD for the mono trailer?
Tom Friedland
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europa
Aircraft
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel smell
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
The "fuel smell" is related to the type of fuel, and lines in the
aircraft.
The factory now has available new 8mm, and 6mm flexible fuel line which
I
have yet to detect any smell from. This is close to what is referred to
as
"fuel injection hose" at US auto part stores. It usually sells for
about $4
/ foot.
We have also experimented with a marine grade "red stripe" (not to be
confused with the Jamaican Beer) fuel line for the elbow with success if
that is where your smell is.
The last airplane that I test flew had no detectable fuel smell at all
with
all using the new type flex hose & auto fuel.
Hope that helps!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel smell
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I know this is an old topic, but I have a faint smell of auto gas in my
Europa. I have replaced the elbow with an aluminum one and tightened
all of
the hose clips to no avail.
I be interested in some best practices in debugging this problem.
Paul
==
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| Subject: | Re: Empty weight/XS,Turbo,Tri-gear,IFR equipped ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004 03 24 22:44 -0600 jrolfs@c21affiliated.com wrote:
> I'm a complete novice at the XS.. my dream is to fly..wife&I cross country.
>I need a very light XS
J R - I guess you've seen the "flying aircraft" table on the Europa
Club pages, which includes empty weight where known. I've recently
added an Excel version of the table for download so you can fiddle
about with the data to your heart's content.
Sorry for slow response - busy with renewals etc - no time for
aeroplane building!
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (660 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Rudder Cable Max bend ability |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering about the change of direction ability of the 7X7 3/16"
rudder cables. I would like to possibly change direction through 30-40
degrees at the one point, and therefore I think I need to know what the
cable can take. I haven't been able to find out sofar, so if anyone knows
please tell.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fellow Europa builders,
I located the web-site for the manufacturer of Aeropoxy
(http://www.ptm-w.com) and asked about the change in color of the
hardener. Here is he reply from them.
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Bill Romey <bromey@ptm-w.com>
> Date: Fri Mar 26, 2004 17:28:40 US/Central
> To: rlborger@mac.com
> Subject: Aeropoxy
>
> Hello Bob,
> Thanks for your inquiry regarding Aeropoxy.=A0 I have attached a pdf
> data sheet for Aeropoxy 2032.=A0 If you have any problems opening it,
> please reply and I will either fax=A0or mail it to you.=A0 Our web site
> for Aeropoxy will up and running soon.
>
> As to the red color of the hardener, this is not a problem.=A0 The color
> is a reaction of the amines in the hardener with oxygen in the air.=A0
> The more it is exposed to air the more it turns color.=A0 We have done
> extensive testing with oxidized Aeropoxy hardeners and can find no
> deleterious effects.=A0 You are perfectly safe in using the red
> hardener.=A0 There is no reason to buy new material.=A0 These epoxies are
> very storage stable, except for the color change.
>
> If you have any questions, please call me or Scot Stettler at 800
> 421-1518.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Romey
> bromey@ptm-w.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder Cable Max bend ability |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser" <david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
Well, I can't find the relevant AN43 documentation, but Ron Wanttaja
says in Kitplane Construction that "Flight control pulleys are typically
AN210 or MS20220 models. Pulleys with a diameter of 2 inches or less
shouldn't be used to change the cable's direction more than 15 degrees."
(Page 211)
The Aircraft Spruce catalog sells pulleys. The AN210 pulleys intended
for use with 3/16" cable are available in 2" and 3.5" diameters. They
too say that the 2" and smaller cables "shall not be installed on
frequently used aircraft controls to bend the cable more than 15 degrees
from a straight line." That leaves you with the largest AN210 pulley,
which is now called an MS24566-4B and is 3.5" in diameter.
They also have MS20220 pulleys. I can't determine the differences from
the MS24556 pulleys, but they are available for 3/16" cable in diameters
up to 5.5". You do need to pay attention to the allowable load limits on
these or any pulleys. See the chart in the catalog.
Aircraft Spruce does not list 3/16" 7x7 cable. 3/32" 7x7 has a breaking
strength of 920 pounds, while 3/32" 7x19 has a breaking strength of 1000
pounds. 3/16" 7x19 has a breaking strength of 4200 pounds, so the 7x7
probably breaks at about 3800 pounds. A 3.5" MS24556-4B pulley has an
allowable load limit of 1200 pounds - you do the trig to determine
whether the pulley or the cable gives out first at 40 degrees. I'm tired
:-)
You could also combine two pulleys to get the desired bend. A pair of
nice 2" pulleys would do you nicely.
dg
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Rudder Cable Max bend ability
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering about the change of direction ability of the 7X7 3/16"
rudder cables. I would like to possibly change direction through 30-40
degrees at the one point, and therefore I think I need to know what the
cable can take. I haven't been able to find out sofar, so if anyone
knows
please tell.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Max bend ability |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Tony,
Where are you trying to change the direction of the rudder cables
to that degree?? Anything beyond 10 degrees should use a pulley and the
larger the better. The arc radius is important for the flexing of the
cable. I think I would use the minimum size of the cable pulley we have
in our cockpit module. Note that is used for a small directional change
around 10 degree's. I've used nylon ferrules for small changes and just
keeping the cables from flopping around and dragging on the bottom of the
fuselage.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:22:07 +1000 Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am wondering about the change of direction ability of the 7X7
> 3/16"
> rudder cables. I would like to possibly change direction through
> 30-40
> degrees at the one point, and therefore I think I need to know what
> the
> cable can take. I haven't been able to find out sofar, so if anyone
> knows
> please tell.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fellow Europa Builders,
I should have included in my last posting that I have the Aeropoxy Data
Sheet in PDF format and have posted it on the EuropaOwners Forum
(http://forum.okhuijsen.org/index.php) web-site. It is located under
Documents.
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Rough running 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I made my first flight in quite a few months yesterday after 25 hour
service, fitting new brakes and speed kit etc. The run up seemed Ok but
3 or 4 minutes after take off at about 2000 ft. I felt what I thought
was a little roughness in the engine (912S), a sort of 'plucking' if
that makes sense. There was also a smell of fuel in the cockpit. I
immediately returned to the field and made a safe landing. Took the top
cowl off and examined the engine, no leaks apparent. I also took the
inspection covers off under the tank but couldn't find any sign of fuel
leaking there.
Anyone experienced anything similar?
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Aeropoxy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Bob,
Thanks for clearing this up because I have red hardener.
John, A230
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Aeropoxy
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Fellow Europa builders,
>
> I located the web-site for the manufacturer of Aeropoxy
> (http://www.ptm-w.com) and asked about the change in color of the
> hardener. Here is he reply from them.
>
> Good building,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> (60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
> Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Bill Romey <bromey@ptm-w.com>
> > Date: Fri Mar 26, 2004 17:28:40 US/Central
> > To: rlborger@mac.com
> > Subject: Aeropoxy
> >
> > Hello Bob,
> > Thanks for your inquiry regarding Aeropoxy.=A0 I have attached a pdf
> > data sheet for Aeropoxy 2032.=A0 If you have any problems opening it,
> > please reply and I will either fax=A0or mail it to you.=A0 Our web site
> > for Aeropoxy will up and running soon.
> >
> > As to the red color of the hardener, this is not a problem.=A0 The color
> > is a reaction of the amines in the hardener with oxygen in the air.=A0
> > The more it is exposed to air the more it turns color.=A0 We have done
> > extensive testing with oxidized Aeropoxy hardeners and can find no
> > deleterious effects.=A0 You are perfectly safe in using the red
> > hardener.=A0 There is no reason to buy new material.=A0 These epoxies
are
> > very storage stable, except for the color change.
> >
> > If you have any questions, please call me or Scot Stettler at 800
> > 421-1518.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bill Romey
> > bromey@ptm-w.com
> >
> >
>
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Another question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
You guys were very helpful with my last inquirey, so here goes again. I
have some Araldite (redux) with an expiration date of 9/02. The stuff
has never been opened. I popped the top on it, today. Looked fresh, so
I mixed some and laid up a couple of tests on some fuselage scraps,
using it straight and with flox. Any speculation on whether this stuff
is any good? How about it, from some of you British folks on the list.
Anyone able to contact CIBA and get some feedback?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Jeff
Tri-gear, Just getting started...
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| Subject: | Re: Rough running 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Richard
I had an occurrence like that. No telling if it is the same though. I could
not fine anything, and wasted a lot of time looking and testing. The only
thing that has explained it is carburetor icing.
Could be ?
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
> I made my first flight in quite a few months yesterday after 25 hour
>
> Anyone experienced anything similar?
>
> Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Aeropoxy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I had the same worries several years ago and got the same reply.
Nevertheless, I used the 'lighter' hardener whenever the choice was
available. I am delighted to see that they are sticking to their guns.
That said, I had a buddy in the business take several samples of
Aeropoxy, and send them to the labs in Stuttgart for formulating and
testing. The report came back that, properly mixed, the Normal syrup and
hardener (I don't have the numbers to hand, but they are neither fast nor
slow hardener ones) rveal a Tg of 78.3deg C - not a bad state.
I am now going to ask him to send later samples for the same
purpose and if successful, will relay the results.
Ferg
A064 Classic
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Aeropoxy
| --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
|
| Fellow Europa builders,
|
| I located the web-site for the manufacturer of Aeropoxy
| (http://www.ptm-w.com) and asked about the change in color of the
| hardener. Here is he reply from them.
|
| Good building,
| Bob Borger
| Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
| (60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
| system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
| Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
| 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
| Corinth, TX 76208
| Home: 940-497-2123
| Cel: 817-992-1117
|
|
| Begin forwarded message:
|
| > From: Bill Romey <bromey@ptm-w.com>
| > Date: Fri Mar 26, 2004 17:28:40 US/Central
| > To: rlborger@mac.com
| > Subject: Aeropoxy
| >
| > Hello Bob,
| > Thanks for your inquiry regarding Aeropoxy.=A0 I have attached a pdf
| > data sheet for Aeropoxy 2032.=A0 If you have any problems opening it,
| > please reply and I will either fax=A0or mail it to you.=A0 Our web site
| > for Aeropoxy will up and running soon.
| >
| > As to the red color of the hardener, this is not a problem.=A0 The color
| > is a reaction of the amines in the hardener with oxygen in the air.=A0
| > The more it is exposed to air the more it turns color.=A0 We have done
| > extensive testing with oxidized Aeropoxy hardeners and can find no
| > deleterious effects.=A0 You are perfectly safe in using the red
| > hardener.=A0 There is no reason to buy new material.=A0 These epoxies
are
| > very storage stable, except for the color change.
| >
| > If you have any questions, please call me or Scot Stettler at 800
| > 421-1518.
| >
| > Regards,
| >
| > Bill Romey
| > bromey@ptm-w.com
| >
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