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1. 02:08 AM - Re: Hot Running 914 (David Joyce)
2. 05:48 AM - SNF Forum (Jim Butcher)
3. 06:57 AM - First Flight N224XS (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
4. 08:33 AM - Re: First Flight N224XS (Fergus Kyle)
5. 08:51 AM - Re: First Flight N224XS (Paul Boulet)
6. 10:04 AM - Re: Another question (David Glauser)
7. 10:55 AM - Almost Ready Ready To Fly Scale Europa XS (Stephan Cassel)
8. 11:30 AM - Re: Almost Ready Ready To Fly Scale Europa XS (Gerry Holland)
9. 11:57 AM - Re: Rough running 912S again (Ami McFadyean)
10. 12:28 PM - Re: Jabiru v. Rotax (KARL HEINDL)
11. 12:45 PM - Re: Another question (Tony Krzyzewski)
12. 01:19 PM - Re: First Flight N224XS (Paul Stewart)
13. 01:36 PM - Re: Rough running 912S again (R.C.Harrison)
14. 01:44 PM - Re: First Flight N224XS (Rowland Carson)
15. 01:49 PM - Re: First Flight N224XS (R.C.Harrison)
16. 02:53 PM - Kodak 35mm containers (Fergus Kyle)
17. 05:01 PM - Re: Almost Ready Ready To Fly Scale Europa XS (Cliff Shaw)
18. 05:08 PM - Re: Another question (Cliff Shaw)
19. 06:17 PM - Re: Another question (Tony Krzyzewski)
20. 08:02 PM - Gear retraction test (Paul McAllister)
21. 08:29 PM - Re: Gear retraction test (Cliff Shaw)
22. 09:04 PM - Re: Gear retraction test (Tim Ward)
23. 09:51 PM - Re: Forum hits 2020 Photos (Dan Bish)
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Running 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Paul, I had high temps on my 914, and in particular problems if prolonged
taxying was necessary. I plugged the gaps between the two radiators and the
air ducting and things improved, (probably helped by the passage of time and
the engine wearing off the rough bits). For the gap below the radiator I
stuck a sloping fillet of blue foam across the lower cowling and laid two
plies of bid over it, and for the other I filled the top gap with stainless
steel sheet, thus encouraging all the cooling air to go through both
radiators. Temps now seem happy in the worst of English summers, although I
don't blast around the sky at 115% all the time! Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hot Running 914
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was looking at the articles section on the Europa USA club website.
Terry
> describes a baffle he installed to help out with this problem. Has anyone
> else tried this with success ? See
> http://www.europa-usa.com/n135TD.htm#Oil_and_water_cooling
>
> Paul
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Is anyone interested in a Europa builders / pilot forum at SNF? I'm thinking of
an informal session where we introduce ourselves and share experiences. If
there's interest, I'll sign up for it. Any particular day or time? I'll ask if
Keith, John and/or Andy would attend.
Jim Butcher A185
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| Subject: | First Flight N224XS |
03/29/2004 09:56:38 AM,
Serialize complete at 03/29/2004 09:56:38 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
With great pleasure, I announce that kit A224 has finally left the ground!
I did the honors myself as at the time I was ready, I did not have anyone
else on my
insurance policy.
One more Europa smile in the crowd!
Speaking of crowds, of note, there are at this moment 3 Europas test
flying the skies
around Tampa. Dwight and myself at KZPH, and Gordon at KLAL.
Sounds like a critical mass to me!
Cheers,
Ira
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N224XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:56
AM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N224XS
| With great pleasure, I announce that kit A224 has finally left the
ground!
| I did the honors myself as at the time I was ready, I did not have anyone
| else on my insurance policy. One more Europa smile in the crowd!
| Speaking of crowds, of note, there are at this moment 3 Europas test
| flying the skies around Tampa. Dwight and myself at KZPH, and Gordon at
KLAL.
| Sounds like a critical mass to me! Cheers, Ira
Congratulations, Ira!
A solo well deserved! Don't forget to send in your details to
the Club so we can follow your example............
R4egards,
Ferg A064
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N224XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
ooooo I'm jealous.... kit A212 right behind you but still fooling with the instrumentation.
Congrats
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA
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irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
With great pleasure, I announce that kit A224 has finally left the ground!
I did the honors myself as at the time I was ready, I did not have anyone
else on my
insurance policy.
One more Europa smile in the crowd!
Speaking of crowds, of note, there are at this moment 3 Europas test
flying the skies
around Tampa. Dwight and myself at KZPH, and Gordon at KLAL.
Sounds like a critical mass to me!
Cheers,
Ira
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| Subject: | Another question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser" <david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
I'd like to suggest that perhaps the factory should supply only a single "dose"
of Redux with the kit - one bottle of hardener and one can of yellow goo. Then,
coupons for the remaining Redux. That way, a slow builder won't have to buy
several very expensive cans of the stuff, but can get fresh product when it will
be needed.
dg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rocketman
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Another question
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Paul Stewart wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
>Jeff
>
>Nothing specific, but the advice from Nev at the factory was don't use
>it post date for structural stuff. We have found plenty of jobs to use
>the old stuff on.
>
>Regards
>
>Paul
>
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| Subject: | Almost Ready Ready To Fly Scale Europa XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi builders,
I found this interesting link:
http://www.hobby-warehouse.com/exaimoeam60s2.html
Regards
Stephan Cassel
#556
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Ready Ready To Fly Scale Europa XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Stephan
The Guy who runs Experimental Aircraft Models is Cleve Lee, a Europa Builder
in USA. Website - http://www.rchomebuilts.com.
Contact him via: clee@rchomebuilts.com
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 60% done .
Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel, Designing Heater Unit, Shoulder Width Mod.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rough running 912S again |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>re-ring job done...... bet you can't do a ROTAX 4 Cylinder as cheap !)<<
Bet you don't need to (at only 500 hours)!!
Duncan Mcf.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rough running 912S again
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Richard.
> I'm not a Rotax "buff" but IMHO it sounds to me like a weak mixture case,
> where you are lightening the load and get a rough run due to mixture.
Whilst
> in the climb you may have the carbs delivering more fuel that the engine
can
> develop power for , so when you throttle back the mixture leans off too
far
> giving a rough run.
> Just a suggestion, perhaps some carb tuning specialist would care to put
his
> remarks to this theory.?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 (back in the air with a 200
> re-ring job done...... bet you can't do a ROTAX 4 Cylinder as cheap !)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru v. Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Bob,
I am sure the Jabiru is a wonderful engine. Fact is the Rotax doesn't need a ring
job. I have flown Katanas with 3000 hours on the clock without overhaul, and
this at aflying school, where engine and airframe get a real hammering.
Karl
From: "R.C.Harrison" ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rough running 912S again
-- Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk
Hi! Richard.
I'm not a Rotax "buff" but IMHO it sounds to me like a weak mixture case,
where you are lightening the load and get a rough run due to mixture. Whilst
in the climb you may have the carbs delivering more fuel that the engine can
develop power for , so when you throttle back the mixture leans off too far
giving a rough run.
Just a suggestion, perhaps some carb tuning specialist would care to put his
remarks to this theory.?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAGEuropa MKI/Jabiru 3300 (back in the air with a 200
re-ring job done...... bet you can't do a ROTAX 4 Cylinder as cheap !)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" riddon@btinternet.com
Subject: Europa-List: Rough running 912S again
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" riddon@btinternet.com
Following my report of rough running of my 912S last week, I flew with
my inspector today to try to replicate the conditions in which the rough
running occurs.
It seems to happen at the top of a climb, when the aircraft is levelled
off, speed builds to cruise then I back off the throttle. At this point,
the engine 'plucks' for a minute or so then smoothes off. I have a C.S.
prop and if I keep the manifold pressure towards the top end of it's
range, say 25in. the plucking continues until I back off the throttle
and reduce the pressure.
The day was rather cool and humid, the windows kept steaming up even
with the vents open. Is this likely to be carb icing or does anyone with
rather more experience than me have any other idea's?
Richard Iddon.G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Another question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> I'd like to suggest that perhaps the factory should supply only a
single "dose" of Redux with the kit - one bottle of hardener and one can
of yellow goo. Then, coupons for the remaining Redux. That way, a slow
builder won't have to buy several very expensive cans of the stuff, but
can get fresh product when it will be needed.
Spare a thought for those of us downunder where the cost of getting an
additional pack of redux by itself is over USD500 by the time the
hazardous shipping costs are included. It's now normal procedure here to
wait until someone buys a kit and include spare redux in the container.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N224XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Ira
Many Congratulations. Hope I can still pick your brains about the EFIS
Paul
G-GIDY mucking about with panel
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| Subject: | Re: Rough running 912S again |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Duncan
Touche!
Bob H.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rough running 912S again
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> >>re-ring job done...... bet you can't do a ROTAX 4 Cylinder as cheap !)<<
>
> Bet you don't need to (at only 500 hours)!!
>
> Duncan Mcf.
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rough running 912S again
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi! Richard.
> > I'm not a Rotax "buff" but IMHO it sounds to me like a weak mixture
case,
> > where you are lightening the load and get a rough run due to mixture.
> Whilst
> > in the climb you may have the carbs delivering more fuel that the engine
> can
> > develop power for , so when you throttle back the mixture leans off too
> far
> > giving a rough run.
> > Just a suggestion, perhaps some carb tuning specialist would care to put
> his
> > remarks to this theory.?
> > Regards
> > Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 (back in the air with a 200
> > re-ring job done...... bet you can't do a ROTAX 4 Cylinder as cheap !)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N224XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004 03 29 09:56 -0500 irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu wrote:
>kit A224 has finally left the ground
Ira - well done and many happy landings in the future. I'm assuming
from the timestamp on your message that the first flight was
yesterday 28th March, yes? I have of course got the weight & other
info from you already, thanks!
>there are at this moment 3 Europas test
>flying the skies
>around Tampa. Dwight and myself at KZPH, and Gordon at KLAL
That'd be Gordon Taylor, in A241 N4041F, which first flew 3rd March.
Don't have a pilot or prop details for it though. But Dwight, who he?
Any more details welcomed!
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (660 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N224XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Well Done Ira.
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N224XS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> With great pleasure, I announce that kit A224 has finally left the
ground!
> I did the honors myself as at the time I was ready, I did not have anyone
> else on my
> insurance policy.
> One more Europa smile in the crowd!
>
> Speaking of crowds, of note, there are at this moment 3 Europas test
> flying the skies
> around Tampa. Dwight and myself at KZPH, and Gordon at KLAL.
> Sounds like a critical mass to me!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ira
>
>
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| Subject: | Kodak 35mm containers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sorry - but I have to get this off my chest before I go another step.
CAUTION - it is a ranting.
I discovered that Kodak (amongst others) seems to have standardized on its
35mm film containers. I often wondered what to do with them when finished -
and discovered that so did most of the local photo shops. I was building my
workshop at the time and wanted a suction duct for sawdust control to circle
to room to a large mobile vacuum bin.
WELL, it turns out that both Kodak and the vacuum company had centred on
1-1/4 inches for a handy diameter on which to standardize their functions -
Kodak OD and vacuum OD and ID............ So I strung a 3-inch duct around
the walls and drilled 1-1/4inch holes where machines would demand the vacuum
when in use. When not used, I plugged the local holes with Kodak cylinders.
AH, but then every time I ran into "1-1/4 inches" as a measurement, Mr.
Eastman sprang to mind - and it's surprising what developed....... For
instance, the flap actuating rod protruding from the fuselage through slots
is exactly that diameter, so I'm using the Kodaks to position and plug the
holes I drill. As a corollary, I use the 35mm tubs for mixing bowls in any
under 25 gram mixes, let alone storing precious parts and long lengths of
rolled-up 2" BiD bits for future glassing projects. The usual 35mm bin will
just hold 55 inches of same - the length of a one-meter glass roll at 45
degrees cut.
WHAT is intriguing is: The local shops will gladly fill your shopping bag
with the little b****rs so there's no problem finding them NOW. ........
because photo shops are going digital, but soon folks will stop making 35mm
film in favour of electronic finishing (my guess) and there go the little
bins...........
That's why I wrote this.
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Ready Ready To Fly Scale Europa XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
That kit is real nice and big. It is the only flying Europa kit that we know
of.
Bob Jacobsen, N165BB "Beep Beep" (the Road Runner) owner of Galaxy Hobby
where I work(?) sometimes, will have this kit in stock when it becomes
available. He has three kit of other experimental now.
I have ask him for the second one he gets (guess who will be taking the
first). If others are interested, just ask.
Do not Archive
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
>
> Hi builders,
>
> I found this interesting link:
>
> http://www.hobby-warehouse.com/exaimoeam60s2.html
>
> Regards
> Stephan Cassel
> #556
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| Subject: | Re: Another question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
That is not the only this they charge for in NZ !
I had to return my prop blades (don't ask why) and the import charge was
unreal. (for my old blades used for parts)
Do not archive
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
> additional pack of redux by itself is over USD500 by the time the
.
>
> Tony
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| Subject: | Another question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> I had to return my prop blades (don't ask why) and the import charge
was unreal.
If any of you have to return the blades to NZ then you should discuss
getting the import GST (12.5%) billed to Airmaster before you send it
back. NZ GST registered companied can as they can claim all of that cost
back from the government to leave the transaction GST neutral.
If you pick up the GST cost then there is no way you can claim it back.
Tony
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Tony S Krzyzewski Managing Director
Ph +64 9 274 1590 Kaon Technologies Ltd
Fx +64 9 274 1593 PO Box 58521
Cell 021 921 988 Greenmount
tonyk@kaon.co.nz Auckland NZ
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| Subject: | Gear retraction test |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
Now that my Europa is out of its cradle and on its own legs retracting the gear
is not as simple any more. I was wondering what the best practices are out
there. My current thinking is to make up some saw horses with the top sloping
equal to the wing dihedral and placing them right under the spars. Padded of
course.
Ideas anyone ? - Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Gear retraction test |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Paul
Be careful doing this. I ended up with some "dents" in the under side of my
wings. I think that might have been where they came from. I did a sloppy
job of padding my sawhorses. (used blue foam)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Gear retraction test
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Now that my Europa is out of its cradle and on its own legs retracting
the gear is not as simple any more. I was wondering what the best practices
are out there. My current thinking is to make up some saw horses with the
top sloping equal to the wing dihedral and placing them right under the
spars. Padded of course.
>
> Ideas anyone ? - Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gear retraction test |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Paul,
I have just done the undercarriage test for our authorities (NZCAA) and I
did it the way the company suggested. I put a sawhorse, limited to750kg
weight, under each spar orientated along the spar with cushions to protect
the wing. Make sure you tie the tailwheel down because as you jack the
aircraft up from under the U/C arm the tailwheel lifted as well. ( I my
case.)
I also did it by suspending the aircraft from a beam and with a block and
tackle connected to the engine/U/C frame before the engine was mounted.
Finally, I did do it the way you suggest, without the weight of the engine,
with sawhorses on each side of the engine frame and using blue foam carved
to fit nicely against the curvature.
If you have a company trailer, then that I have found ideal to work on
aircraft (with the wings off the trailer) and putting added supports between
the wing support uprights and the aircraft to help hold it in place.(foam
rubber)
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph 0064 3 3515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Gear retraction test
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Now that my Europa is out of its cradle and on its own legs retracting
the gear is not as simple any more. I was wondering what the best practices
are out there. My current thinking is to make up some saw horses with the
top sloping equal to the wing dihedral and placing them right under the
spars. Padded of course.
>
> Ideas anyone ? - Paul
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Steve,
Finally got a chance to post a couple of photos. Surprisingly easy to do. Learning
a lot from the ones there. Mine are for novices but, hey, I can't be the only
one out there. Thanks again to you and Jos for putting it together.
Dan
Kit A144
Tucson, AZ
From: ScramIt@aol.com
Subject: Forum hits 2020 Photos
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to post to the Gallery. We now
have
2020 photos on the site; some inspirational, some sad, like tonyp's A184
(but
will have a happy ending), some with pets standing in wings, (I'm guilty
of
one of those). But we can learn something from just about every one.
We currently have 90 registered users; most have permissions set to add
photos to the Gallery. If you want to add photos to the Gallery but can't,
or have
trouble, PM me on the site or post your questions on one of the forums.
The Forums are also setup for posting off topic. Have a funny family picture,
want to know if someone knows anything about custom cars, where to get a
$2800.00 paintball marker, (yes, the number's right), or just about anything
at
all, go ahead and post it.
If you'd like, I can setup a Forum for the abandoned wives and husbands of
builders, to get to know each other.
Thanks to the Europa community for making this a success. And big thanks
to
Jos for the use of the hardware that makes it go.
SteveD.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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