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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Pitch trim damper (ivor.phillips)
2. 01:04 AM - Re: Pitch trim damper (Ami McFadyean)
3. 01:52 AM - Re: Pitch trim damper (R.C.Harrison)
4. 02:40 AM - Rough running 912s-No More (RICHARD IDDON)
5. 07:45 AM - Re: SNF Forum (James Puglise)
6. 07:46 AM - Re: Rough running 912s-No More (Ami McFadyean)
7. 10:39 AM - Re: Pitch trim damper (John & Amy Eckel)
8. 08:33 PM - Europa builders Birthday (Tony Renshaw)
9. 09:00 PM - Europa builders Birthday 2nd Edition (Tony Renshaw)
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch trim damper |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Hi how about the friction damper being set to tight? this would cause the
bracket to deform under load, I have set my damper to release on a 8 pound
load,
It seems to operate quite smoothly,
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed,working on rudder cables,
trial fit top and wings
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pitch trim damper
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> John & Amy Eckel wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel"
<eckel1@comcast.net>
> >
> >Hello,
> >I am setting up my pitch trim damper and noticed quite a bit
> >of hysterisis (sp?) in the movement of the trim damper. When
> >reversing direction with the trim motor the brackets twist a bit
> >before there is movement. This means that when flying and
> >changing trim direction nothing will happen for a second or two.
> >This could be a nuisance when trying to accurately set the trim.
> >Has anyone else noticed this problem and what was your solution?
> >For the folks that are flying; is this a problem?
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >John, A230
> >Cockpit module installed
> >
> >
> >
> John,
>
> I finally got my trim system fully installed and tested, today. I did
> note that the system was a bit slow, however the bellcrank/bulkhead
> assembly moved/torqued only slightly. My guess is that this will
> stiffen up when the upper half of the fuselage is installed. The demo
> ride I took showed no symptoms of slow trimming.
>
> Jeff
> N55XS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch trim damper |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>there is NOTHING inside the motor >>
EXCEPT the limit switches that prevent further travel in a particular
direction when the servo reaches the end of its run.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pitch trim damper
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Bob
>
> If I had a problem like that, I would suspect the switching circuit the
> powers the motor. The way it is built, there is NOTHING inside the motor
to
> make it go one way or the other. It is the polarity of the voltage on the
> two white wires that do the work.
>
> Check out your switch.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch trim damper |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Nigel.
Thanks for the advice. I know I sent the LED display and the motor back to
Menzimer but can't remember about the relay so bingo you just may have hit
on the problem.
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pitch trim damper
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi Bob
>
> >Occassionally the pitch trim motor doesn't reverse immediately and has to
> be
> motored further in it's current direction, some times to the full trim
stop
> position before it will reverse.?
> It has been back to the American outfit but they never isolated the fault.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?<
>
> You may find it is a contact problem in the relay box.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Rough running 912s-No More |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I am pleased to report that I have discovered the cause of the rough
running of my 912S (at least I think I have).
I tried balancing my carb's and discovered that they were OK at certain
rev's and wildly out at others. This, together with the article in the
recent Europa News, prompted me to check the throttle cables and lo and
behold, one was a bit 'sticky'. It was OK at fully closed and fully open
but there was a point in between, as I was opening the throttle, when
one cable hesitated for a moment which must have been putting the carb's
out of balance.
There was a slight kink in the inner cable by the throttle lever which
seemed to be causing it. I have straightened this out and lubricated
the inner cable as much as I was able. The engine now seems to run much
smoother at most rev's although I have not flight tested it yet. I think
I will probably have to eventually replace the cable to ensure that the
problem does not happen again.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "James Puglise" <jimpuglise@comcast.net>
Jim-
The open houses at Europa and Flite Crafters are Thursday and Friday. We
had planned on spending all day those two days at Lakeland. This may also
be the case with other builders. Any chance of changing it to coincide with
these dates? We would really like to attend.
Jim Puglise, A283
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Subject: Europa-List: SNF Forum
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> I have arranged for a forum at SNF for Europa builders & pilots. It is
Sunday at 11:00am. It will be an open session like most other kit builder
forums. Plan to attend if you're available.
>
> Jim & Heather Butcher
> A185 N241BW
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rough running 912s-No More |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I don't understand why these cables can't be supplied with a teflon liner
(which would require stainless steel cables for best effect).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Rough running 912s-No More
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> I am pleased to report that I have discovered the cause of the rough
> running of my 912S (at least I think I have).
>
> I tried balancing my carb's and discovered that they were OK at certain
> rev's and wildly out at others. This, together with the article in the
> recent Europa News, prompted me to check the throttle cables and lo and
> behold, one was a bit 'sticky'. It was OK at fully closed and fully open
> but there was a point in between, as I was opening the throttle, when
> one cable hesitated for a moment which must have been putting the carb's
> out of balance.
>
> There was a slight kink in the inner cable by the throttle lever which
> seemed to be causing it. I have straightened this out and lubricated
> the inner cable as much as I was able. The engine now seems to run much
> smoother at most rev's although I have not flight tested it yet. I think
> I will probably have to eventually replace the cable to ensure that the
> problem does not happen again.
>
> Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch trim damper |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Hi Mike,
You hit the nail on the head. The bolt going through the
bell crank bearings was a little lose because I had been
messing with the assembly a couple times. I tightened it
and the problem is solved.
Thanks to all who responded.
Mike, enjoy SNF.
John, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pitch trim damper
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Hi John,
>
> I was just out in the shop and ran the trim motor using the battery from
my
> Makita drill and it seemed to move smoothly in both directions without
> hesitation. You might want to check to make sure that the two nuts (one
locking and
> the other an aircraft nut) on either side of the bellcrank arm are tight.
That
> might cause some bending, but other than that, if everything else is snug,
I
> can't seem to figure what could be causing the twisting.
>
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins
and
> tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear assembled and
soon
> to be fitted.
> But Sun-N-Fun comes soon!
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa builders Birthday |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Now I know there are quite a few gentlemanly characters around, but there
is a cranky old Queenslander, who by the way doesn't follow football or
cricket so don't try and talk to him about anything else other than
Europas, who turns the big 60 on 8/4/04. So, if you know Kingsley Hirst
wish him a happy birthday then will you. Oh, he knows how to breed
aviators, all the sons fly. He is rather anal about gramar and speling, let
alone if you dare spell his sirname incorectly, but "Hirst" will get the
desired effect. Remember, 8/4/04 !
E-mail him on
khurst@growzone.com.au
Reg
apprentice
(cranky old coot, that is)
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| Subject: | Europa builders Birthday 2nd Edition |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Wrong e-mail address:
E-mail him on ...............
hurstkr@growzone.com.au
Reg
apprentice
(cranky old coot, that is)
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