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1. 01:16 AM - Re: Dimension Please???????? (ivor.phillips)
2. 06:32 AM - Re: Flap Washout (Rowland Carson)
3. 11:39 AM - Re: Re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear (Paul Mansfield)
4. 12:50 PM - Control Locks (RICHARD IDDON)
5. 02:06 PM - flap operating rod clearance (Mike)
6. 02:13 PM - Re: Re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear (Rocketman)
7. 03:53 PM - (chris davis)
8. 03:53 PM - Tailwheel bearings (Ami McFadyean)
9. 04:15 PM - Re: Control Locks (Tony Renshaw)
10. 04:23 PM - Re: Tailwheel bearings (Tony Renshaw)
11. 04:52 PM - Re: Re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear (Alan Stills)
12. 08:22 PM - Drive pin attachment to trim tab (Andrew Sarangan)
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| Subject: | Re: Dimension Please???????? |
QUARANTINE_LEVEL=4.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
17-1/4 inches from seat back to throttle upright, and 22-1/4 inches from
firewall back to the same point.
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
trial fit top and wings,Undercarriage fitted,playing with tie bar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Dimension Please????????
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I have a classic module and want to know the distance from the most aft
> portion of the raised throttle portion of the XS module from the end of
> the tunnel, up against the seat back, or from the firewall to the same aft
> datum. Thanks in anticipation. This is to determine my finger brake
location.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Washout |
QUARANTINE_LEVEL=4.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004 04 15 21:21 -0400 David Simenauer wrote:
>I'm not completely certain how to make sure the washout is correct
Listers, I've already corresponded direct with Dave about this, but
maybe I should repeat what I said here for everyone's benefit.
The dimensions given in my copy are in error because the trigonometry
appears to be based on the full width of the jig block. However, by
the time you are checking the washout, you will probably have cut
down the jig block to allow for LE wrapround, so smaller dimensions
are needed. When I discovered this, I wrote thus to Roger Bull at the
factory:
At 2001 07 14 23:01 +0100 Rowland & Wilma Carson wrote:
>Today I was preparing for the first layup on the starboard flap, and
>came across something else that I think needs at least
>clarification, if not correction, in the manual.
>
>What may affects other builders as well as me is the way the flap
>washout is specified to be set. (Incidentally, I couldn't follow the
>procedure in the manual, partly because the upper support blocks
>were cut away to a feather at the tips and the end of the TE support
>block was actually touching the table itself.) The manual specifies
>_removal_ of a shim of 8.4mm at the TE to give a 1.4deg change of
>angle. I left the TE alone, and _inserted_ a shim at the LE, and
>found that it needed something over 6mm to achieve a difference in
>angle of 1.4 deg between the root and the tip (measured with a MD
>Smart-Tool digital level, checked both ways round). At first I
>thought my thinner shim might just be because of the way the support
>block had been feathered off, but then I began to check the
>trigonometry.
>
>For the specified 8.4mm shim and an angle of 1.4deg, the baseline of
>the triangle (x) would have to be:
>
>x = 8.4 / tan(1.4)
>
>x = 8.4 / 0.0244
>
>x = 343.7mm
>
>That is about the chord of the whole flap at the tip. However, by
>the time the builder is checking the washout, about 75mm will have
>been cut off the jig block at the LE. The distance from the TE to
>the shortened LE edge of my jig block is 275mm. So, the shim (y)
>needed for that situation is:
>
>y = 275 * tan(1.4)
>
>y = 275 * 0.0244
>
>y = 6.72mm
>
>That is in the right ball-park for my measured value, and makes me
>feel that I've got it right.
>
>But the question is, has the manual been telling builders to use a
>shim appropriate for the jig _before_ cutting off the LE part when
>the procedure is much more likely to be done _after_ that operation?
>It appears the result would be to have washout of about 1.75 degrees
>instead of the specified 1.4 degress. Probably not a disaster, but
>not quite what was wanted.
And Roger responded:
At 2001 07 18 12:34 +0100 Roger Bull wrote:
>I am sure you must be right - as long as you end up with the correct
>washout, that's the main thing. I will suggest to Andy to put a
>note in the next Newsletter.
I'm not sure if anything ever appeared in the newsletter, though ...
Andy, Neville, care to comment, is the latest manual fixed on this
point?
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield" <m@nsfield.screaming.net>
Hi Al,
I am interested in the graphic person - please send details.
Rgds
Paul M
XS Mono
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Stills
Subject: Europa-List: re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear
Ivor,
Thanks for the dimensions. I have a graphics artist designing Decals for the
finished plane and needed the dimensions to get the decals run. I appreciate
the help. If anyone wants to use decals instead of painting a design on the
outside this person does a great job of designing for you and is quite
reasonable. I already have my design and am having it run now. Al Stills
A095
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Anyone got any bright idea's for control locks (preferably fairly simple
as I am a simple soul) to stop my ailerons, tailplanes and rudder
banging about in the wind whilst the airplane is parked.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS (looking for any excuse to go flying again)
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| Subject: | flap operating rod clearance |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Anyone had problems fitting the flap operating rod? Mine is binding on the tunnel
wall by the small bulkhead and is very close to the main pitch tube at times.
I think all would be ok if I bent the rod so to be a little closer to the centre
line abeam the brake cylinder.
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| Subject: | Re: re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Paul Mansfield wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield" <m@nsfield.screaming.net>
>
>Hi Al,
>
>I am interested in the graphic person - please send details.
>
>Rgds
>
>Paul M
>XS Mono
>
>
>
Paul,
My wife and I are a graphics shop, as well as a sign builder. If you
have any particular ideas in mind, let me know. We can probably help out...
You can see the design we've laid out for our bird at our build site.
These will be painted on, however.
--
Jeff - A055
Working on cockpit module. Most control surfaces are filled and sanded, ready
for primer.
Build site - http://www.N55XS.com - Build site
Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Dear europa list , I have been trying to send this message for six days but I
had an error in my email setup that made all my messages to the list not post
.Anyhow there is a europa motorglider kit on ebay complete firewall aft part
of an estate I believe they are asking a buy it now price of 23000 that's 12000
less than list But there has only been one bid in 6 days and there is no reserve!!!the
high is 15000It might be bought for less than23000anybody want just
the wing kit as I have my glider wings but need the fuselage kit? The item 3
is 2473552476 under Other Aircraft take alook just one day left in the auction.
Chris Davis A160 MG working on the glider wings
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| Subject: | Tailwheel bearings |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Has anyone tried to replace the bearings to the solid XS-style tailwheel (ie
without replacing the whole wheel asembly). How easily do the old bearings
come out and is there a standard part that can replace them?
Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | Re: Control Locks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Richard,
A french builder some years ago had a brilliant idea which was a hinged
portion of metal on the vertical face of the thigh support, immediately
behind the stick. He would rotate this square plate about its top edge
hinge, orientated horizontally, and engage a semi-circular rebate in the
bottom of this "originally square aluminium plate", the stick would be
pulled back into it. Then, he had a semi-circular hook that was hinged on
one side, that allowed him to entrap the stick completely. The action of
stowing the control lock nicely locked componentry such as hooks into place
for safe flying. Fundamentally, you need to not be reliant on memory, so an
external lock I reckon is a bad idea. Must be internal, reachable from your
seat whilst belted up, and quickly removeable. Hope this helps. I think
there might have been some old pictures of it in a Europa Club magazine,
from about 4-5 years ago.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 05:49 AM 4/18/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
>Anyone got any bright idea's for control locks (preferably fairly simple
>as I am a simple soul) to stop my ailerons, tailplanes and rudder
>banging about in the wind whilst the airplane is parked.
>
>Richard Iddon. G-RIXS (looking for any excuse to go flying again)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bearings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Duncan,
The bearings Kingsley Hurst knocked out the other night, easily. He worked
from the opposite side and just tapped them out as I recall him saying.
Message below pasted for your interest from a fellow at Spruce.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
From: "Craig Johnson" <craigjohnson@aircraftspruce.com>
Subject: Re: Product Query
Dear Tony
Yes the 06-00060 is for the 06-03500 and 06-03600 tailwheels.
These are sealed roller bearings and have no flange.
they are designed to replace the bushing type bearings are supplied
with the tailwheels. These do not have a flange either.
There is no other hardware required to hold them in place.
The bearing manufacturer is by JAF/KSK located in Japan.
Regards
Craig Johnson
Aircraft Spruce Tech Support
At 08:54 AM 4/18/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
><ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>Has anyone tried to replace the bearings to the solid XS-style tailwheel (ie
>without replacing the whole wheel asembly). How easily do the old bearings
>come out and is there a standard part that can replace them?
>
>Duncan McF.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Paul,
The name of the designer is Callie at info@hobbies-n-stuff.com
They are located in Albuquerque New Mexico. She is a great designer and
designs all the decals for their hobby shop
planes and Heli's. Did a great job on mine as I told her the theme and
colors I wanted. She already has the dimensions for a trigear.
Al Stills
A095
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mansfield" <m@nsfield.screaming.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield"
<m@nsfield.screaming.net>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> I am interested in the graphic person - please send details.
>
> Rgds
>
> Paul M
> XS Mono
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Stills
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: re:wheel Skirrts for Tri Gear
>
> Ivor,
> Thanks for the dimensions. I have a graphics artist designing Decals for
the
> finished plane and needed the dimensions to get the decals run. I
appreciate
> the help. If anyone wants to use decals instead of painting a design on
the
> outside this person does a great job of designing for you and is quite
> reasonable. I already have my design and am having it run now. Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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| Subject: | Drive pin attachment to trim tab |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andrew Sarangan" <europaxs@myrealbox.com>
The manual calls for the TP16 drive pin to be parallel to the trim tab hinge line.
The way I understand it, the "L"-shaped template is used for positioning the
pin relative to the hinge line, but it does not necessarily make them parallel.
I've heard of people using a level for this, but it's not clear to me how
that is done. Any clues or photos would be appreciated.
Thanks
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