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1. 12:14 AM - Re: Need some cockpit module help (ivor.phillips)
2. 01:28 AM - Navaid working in reverse (Eamonn Sheridan)
3. 03:07 AM - Re: Navaid working in reverse (David Joyce)
4. 05:35 AM - Hat Dropping? (RICHARD IDDON)
5. 08:20 AM - Re: Control locks (Rob Housman)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: Hat Dropping? (David Joyce)
7. 09:15 AM - Re: Hat Dropping? (RICHARD IDDON)
8. 10:58 AM - Re: Control locks (Ami McFadyean)
9. 12:51 PM - Re: Control locks (Fergus Kyle)
10. 01:01 PM - cONTROL LOCKS AGAIN (Fergus Kyle)
11. 01:10 PM - Re: Need some cockpit module help (John & Amy Eckel)
12. 01:50 PM - Re: Need some cockpit module help (Rocketman)
13. 02:18 PM - Re: Need some cockpit module help (Simon Smith)
14. 02:40 PM - Control locks (John & Paddy Wigney)
15. 03:39 PM - Re: Navaid working in reverse (Tony Renshaw)
16. 04:03 PM - Re: Need some cockpit module help (Rocketman)
17. 04:58 PM - Re: Control locks (Peter Zutrauen)
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| Subject: | Re: Need some cockpit module help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Just slightly above the tunnel is about right! your centre bulkhead needs
to have a 3/4 inch clearance above the pitch push rod.,
On mine the I cut It down to 1/2 inch above the tunnel, then set up the
height for the centre bulkhead above the pushrod
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
trial fit top and wings,Undercarriage fitted,playing with tie bar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Need some cockpit module help
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Gentlemen, (and ladies)
>
> I can't seem to find any lines on the rear bulkhead of the cockpit
> module. I'm needing assistance in determining where to cut it off.
> Pics in the manual seem to show it cut at the same height as the top of
> the pitch rod tunnel. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
> Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Navaid working in reverse |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Eamonn Sheridan <esheridan1@yahoo.com>
I have installed the Navaid AP1 and Servo unit as per the Europa Mod, but the servo
unit operates in reverse! When either the Trim or Turn pot is moved to the
left, the stick moves to the right. If the aircraft is tilted to the left, the
stick moves to the left. A bit worrying! There doesn't appear to be any means
of switching the mode in the servo unit or AP1. I was going to try reversing
the wires on the feedback potentiometer. Has anyone found this problem with
their installation? how did you overcome it?
Eamonn
G-ROOV
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid working in reverse |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Eamonn, My manual ( Navaid installed 3 yrs ago) on P8 says 'If the aileron
deflection is backwards you must reverse the direction of servo rotation.
Swap the motor wires at the motor. Swap end connections at the Feedback
pot--these wires are white with red tracer and white with black tracer'. The
other option if installation geometry allows is to install the servo crank
arm 180deg round.
Regards David
----- Original Message -----
From: Eamonn Sheridan <esheridan1@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: Navaid working in reverse
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Eamonn Sheridan <esheridan1@yahoo.com>
>
> I have installed the Navaid AP1 and Servo unit as per the Europa Mod, but
the servo unit operates in reverse! When either the Trim or Turn pot is
moved to the left, the stick moves to the right. If the aircraft is tilted
to the left, the stick moves to the left. A bit worrying! There doesn't
appear to be any means of switching the mode in the servo unit or AP1. I
was going to try reversing the wires on the feedback potentiometer. Has
anyone found this problem with their installation? how did you overcome it?
>
> Eamonn
>
> G-ROOV
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Looks like Friday & Saturday might be good weather this week. Any
Fly-in's, Fly Out's, Drop of the hat's etc planned for the end of the
week?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
The rudder can be easily locked with a dowel of sufficient length to insert
into both horizontal tubes at the top of the rudder "pedals." Once in place
the rudder is fixed in a neutral position and can not move.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cripps, David
Subject: Europa-List: Control locks
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cripps, David"
<david.cripps@spsystems.com>
Does anyone have good designs for control locks for the Europa? Now that I
am banished outdoors on the windy coast, I'm having to give such things
consideration. I'd prefer some sort of design that fitted on to the
wings/tail directly. I figure that this is more secure than simply locking
the control column/pedals in one position since even with the column/pedals
fixed, the wind can still blow the control surfaces around and rattle the
control runs and loosen the joints and pins.
I can see how to secure the ailerons (with a sort of V-shaped hat that would
go over aileron/flap/part of wing), but the tailplanes and rudder look to be
more difficult to hold in position externally.
Any thoughts?
David
Visit SP at stand D103 at the European Wind Energy Conference, Madrid,
Spain, 16th - 19th June 2003
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| Subject: | Re: Hat Dropping? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Richard, As one of the only 2 who made it out of the murk over the Western
part of the country to N. Weald, (or 2 1/2 if you count Bob Harrison, who
drove there!), I should take responsibility for not having pinned down the
other (Dave Watts) to organise this week's event. Certainly Friday looks as
though it may be reasonable and I would like to suggest Caernarvon. No free
pass as far I know but it is a good destination for those who haven't
sampled it, with a small air museum on site and with interesting flying
along Menai Straits or thru/over Snowdonia with a few fast jets to liven
things up!
----- Regards, David Joyce
Original Message -----
From: RICHARD IDDON <riddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Hat Dropping?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> Looks like Friday & Saturday might be good weather this week. Any
> Fly-in's, Fly Out's, Drop of the hat's etc planned for the end of the
> week?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
David,
I did think of flying down to N Weald last Friday but the warm front
stalled over Birmingham put the kybosh on that.
Caernarvon sounds good to me. They make an astounding 'breakfast bap'
Hope to see you there all being well.
Regards.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hat Dropping?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Richard, As one of the only 2 who made it out of the murk over the
Western
part of the country to N. Weald, (or 2 1/2 if you count Bob Harrison,
who
drove there!), I should take responsibility for not having pinned down
the
other (Dave Watts) to organise this week's event. Certainly Friday looks
as
though it may be reasonable and I would like to suggest Caernarvon. No
free
pass as far I know but it is a good destination for those who haven't
sampled it, with a small air museum on site and with interesting flying
along Menai Straits or thru/over Snowdonia with a few fast jets to liven
things up!
----- Regards, David Joyce
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| Subject: | Re: Control locks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>and can not move<<
Yes it can!
It will pull both pedals back together with one of the cables going slack.
This then leaves scope for the rudder to flap about, albeit it is stabilised
in this condition by the strength of both rudder springs acting together,
instead of having to pull against one (partially counterbalanced) spring
only in the absence of the "stops"
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Control locks
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> The rudder can be easily locked with a dowel of sufficient length to
insert
> into both horizontal tubes at the top of the rudder "pedals." Once in
place
> the rudder is fixed in a neutral position and can not move.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cripps, David
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Control locks
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cripps, David"
> <david.cripps@spsystems.com>
>
> Does anyone have good designs for control locks for the Europa? Now that I
> am banished outdoors on the windy coast, I'm having to give such things
> consideration. I'd prefer some sort of design that fitted on to the
> wings/tail directly. I figure that this is more secure than simply
locking
> the control column/pedals in one position since even with the
column/pedals
> fixed, the wind can still blow the control surfaces around and rattle the
> control runs and loosen the joints and pins.
>
> I can see how to secure the ailerons (with a sort of V-shaped hat that
would
> go over aileron/flap/part of wing), but the tailplanes and rudder look to
be
> more difficult to hold in position externally.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> David
>
>
> Visit SP at stand D103 at the European Wind Energy Conference, Madrid,
> Spain, 16th - 19th June 2003
>
>
****************************************************************************
> ******************
> All sales of goods are subject to the terms and conditions of sale (the
> Conditions)
> of SP Systems (the Company) which are available on request from the
Company
> or may be viewed on our Website (http://www.spsystems.com).
>
> Any advice given by the Company in connection with the sale of goods is
> given
> in good faith but the company only warrants that advice in writing is
given
> with
> reasonable skill and care. All advice is otherwise given subject to the
> Conditions.
>
> The contents of this message and any attachments are confidential and
> are intended solely for the attention and use of the addressee only.
> Information contained in this message may be subject to legal,
> professional or other privilege or may otherwise be protected by other
> legal rules. This message should not be copied or forwarded to any other
> person without the express permission of the sender. If you are not the
> intended recipient you are not authorised to disclose, copy, distribute
> or retain this message or any part of it.
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| Subject: | Re: Control locks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Control locks
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
|
| The rudder can be easily locked with a dowel of sufficient length to insert
| into both horizontal tubes at the top of the rudder "pedals." Once in place
| the rudder is fixed in a neutral position and can not move.
|
|
| Best regards,
|
| Rob Housman
| Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
| Airframe complete
| Irvine, CA
Rob et al,
With respect, I don't think locking the pedals will do the trick. However
there is a simple but ugly solution. Two angle irons (alu), say 3/4x3/4x1/8inch
angles with 1/8" holes drilled in both arms - one angle attached to say,
aileron inboard edge so that one arm sticks down, and the other attached to
the wing undersurface with one arm sticking down - such that when neutral the
two holes coincide - allows a small lock or bolt to be inserted and inhibits
any motion. This can be duplicated on the stab.
The rudder presents a different problem, but bungees from rudder aft
edge to stab extremities might be an answer. My experience with locked control
linkage has not produced secure control surface fixing and continued small
motions soon become too big to ignore.
IMHO of course.
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | cONTROL LOCKS AGAIN |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Oh, and another thing....... While locking controls, it occurs that (perish
forbid) perhaps gusts above flying speed might be encountered...............
That would require a change in control surface alignment to reduce the risk
of wind damage. If this arises at Home Base then a two-by-four (inch stud)
or similar board could be affixed the length of the wing, or tail or both to
destroy lift.
The problem is When Away.
perhpas someone better qualified might want to contribute a solution,
but all I see at the moment is a hinged balsawood slat (say, 1 x 36" - 3cm x
1m) which is centred at wingtop centre of lift and held in place by small
bungees might dump any lift. The bungees could be anchored by rings sewn
into wing covers.....? the slats are positioned say 2/3 out from fuselage or
wherever better.
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: Need some cockpit module help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Jeff,
Got to:
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/
Then builder support, > build manual updates.
The mono and tri are there.
Also ask John (Lakeland) for the drawing for mounting the finger brakes.
John, A230
----- Originhttp://www.europa-aircraft.com/al Message -----
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Need some cockpit module help
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Gentlemen, (and ladies)
>
> I can't seem to find any lines on the rear bulkhead of the cockpit
> module. I'm needing assistance in determining where to cut it off.
> Pics in the manual seem to show it cut at the same height as the top of
> the pitch rod tunnel. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
> Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need some cockpit module help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
John & Amy Eckel wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
>
>Jeff,
>Got to:
>
>http://www.europa-aircraft.com/
>
>Then builder support, > build manual updates.
>
>The mono and tri are there.
>
>Also ask John (Lakeland) for the drawing for mounting the finger brakes.
>
>John, A230
>
>
>
John,
I've been to the Europa site and looked over the pages you recommended.
While they have some of the information, they seem to be corrections for
other pages, in the manual, and thus, are incomplete. I'll be giving
John Hurst a call, this week. Thanks for the info...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Need some cockpit module help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>I've been to the Europa site and looked over the pages you recommended.
>While they have some of the information, they seem to be corrections for
>other pages, in the manual, and thus, are incomplete. I'll be giving
>John Hurst a call, this week. Thanks for the info...
The complete manual is available in the members only section of the Europa
Club website.
Simon
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--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<< The seat belt can be adjusted to hold the stick fully aft and central. This
is what I do
when I tie the aircraft down for a nightstop. Mono or tailwheel Europas don't have
any problem
with the rudder as they are interconnected with the tailwheel preventing the rudder
from blowing
around in the wind. Nigel Charles >>>
Hi Nigel,
I have just got back from a trip to Sun N Fun at Lakeland, Florida and
agree with your comments regarding holding the stick with the passenger
seat belt. That part works fine. However, the rudder is another thing.
On the way down from North Carolina last week, the wind was very gusty
and turbulent and at one brief stop at Gainesville, Florida, I was
surprised to be paged in the FBO office to look after my plane because
it was blowing around !
The plane was chocked on the mainwheel and the control stick secured but
I found that since the rudder was not locked, the gusts were strong
enough to swing the plane quite a lot as the tailwheel will swing when
encouraged through almost 90 degrees; so I pulled the plane to an
adjacent tie down and secured the tail so that I could finish my morning
coffee. This was on concrete and may be less apparent on grass since the
wheel will dig in more. I do not have the solution for the problem yet
and it is on my list of 'to do' items. Any suggestions from fellow
Europaphiles would be appreciated.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid working in reverse |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Eamonn,
I recall someone saying "don't reverse the direction of these motors". Now
this mightnt be your Navaid, but until you know you can do that, my advice
is "don't". Hope this may save you a buck.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 06:27 PM 4/20/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Eamonn Sheridan <esheridan1@yahoo.com>
>
>I have installed the Navaid AP1 and Servo unit as per the Europa Mod, but
>the servo unit operates in reverse! When either the Trim or Turn pot is
>moved to the left, the stick moves to the right. If the aircraft is tilted
>to the left, the stick moves to the left. A bit worrying! There doesn't
>appear to be any means of switching the mode in the servo unit or AP1. I
>was going to try reversing the wires on the feedback potentiometer. Has
>anyone found this problem with their installation? how did you overcome it?
>
>Eamonn
>
>G-ROOV
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need some cockpit module help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Simon Smith wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
>
>
>>I've been to the Europa site and looked over the pages you recommended.
>>While they have some of the information, they seem to be corrections for
>>other pages, in the manual, and thus, are incomplete. I'll be giving
>>John Hurst a call, this week. Thanks for the info...
>>
>>
>
>
>The complete manual is available in the members only section of the Europa
>Club website.
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>
Simon,
Thanks. I'm in communication with Rowland, at this moment.
Jeff
A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
The Katanas I rented had a terrific gust-lock, which could not be missed
(it had to be removed prior to being able to sit in the plane), was
portable, reasonably light, and locked all controls. Obviously this does
not get around the control play/loading as Ferg has pointed out, but it
worked quite well, and could be adapted, copied for the Europa.
I have a jpeg sketch I can forward to anyone interested....
Cheers,
Pete A239
-----Original Message-----
From: John & Paddy Wigney [mailto:johnwigney@worldnet.att.net]
Subject: Europa-List: Control locks
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
<johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<< The seat belt can be adjusted to hold the stick fully aft and
central. This is what I do
when I tie the aircraft down for a nightstop. Mono or tailwheel Europas
don't have any problem
with the rudder as they are interconnected with the tailwheel preventing
the rudder from blowing
around in the wind. Nigel Charles >>>
Hi Nigel,
I have just got back from a trip to Sun N Fun at Lakeland, Florida and
agree with your comments regarding holding the stick with the passenger
seat belt. That part works fine. However, the rudder is another thing.
On the way down from North Carolina last week, the wind was very gusty
and turbulent and at one brief stop at Gainesville, Florida, I was
surprised to be paged in the FBO office to look after my plane because
it was blowing around !
The plane was chocked on the mainwheel and the control stick secured but
I found that since the rudder was not locked, the gusts were strong
enough to swing the plane quite a lot as the tailwheel will swing when
encouraged through almost 90 degrees; so I pulled the plane to an
adjacent tie down and secured the tail so that I could finish my morning
coffee. This was on concrete and may be less apparent on grass since the
wheel will dig in more. I do not have the solution for the problem yet
and it is on my list of 'to do' items. Any suggestions from fellow
Europaphiles would be appreciated.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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