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1. 02:26 AM - Re: Control locks (David Joyce)
2. 03:25 AM - Re: Control locks (R.C.Harrison)
3. 04:00 AM - Re: Europa to Liberty (hedley brown)
4. 05:50 AM - (Jos Okhuijsen)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: flash generator units (Stephan Cassel)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: flash generator units (Stephan Cassel)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (nigel charles)
8. 07:06 AM - Re: Control locks (nigel charles)
9. 08:24 AM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (William Mills)
10. 08:43 AM - Re: Tailwheel bearings (Ronald J. Parigoris)
11. 09:12 AM - Cowlings (Simon Smith)
12. 09:12 AM - Build Dolly (Brian Fogg)
13. 09:20 AM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (William Mills)
14. 09:36 AM - Re: Europas with RiteAngle installed (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
15. 09:58 AM - Re: flash generator units (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
16. 10:21 AM - Re: flash generator units (Garry Stout)
17. 12:20 PM - Re: flash generator units (n3eu@comcast.net)
18. 01:09 PM - Re: flash generator units (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
19. 01:12 PM - Re: flash generator units (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
20. 01:43 PM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (Ami McFadyean)
21. 02:39 PM - Re: long ranger fuel tank (Ami McFadyean)
22. 02:47 PM - Re: flash generator units ()
23. 02:50 PM - N378PJ a real airplane now! (Paul McAllister)
24. 03:17 PM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (Pete Lawless)
25. 03:39 PM - Re: N378PJ a real airplane now! (Rocketman)
26. 04:02 PM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (Roger Anderson)
27. 04:25 PM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (RMRRick@aol.com)
28. 04:28 PM - Re: N378PJ a real airplane now! (Cliff Shaw)
29. 04:39 PM - Ceiling Panel Compasses (Tony Renshaw)
30. 04:45 PM - Re: flash generator units (Jim Brown)
31. 04:59 PM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (Jim Brown)
32. 05:21 PM - HVLP Turbine Sprayer (Dave Anderson)
33. 05:38 PM - Re: HVLP Turbine Sprayer (Cliff Shaw)
34. 08:00 PM - Re: HVLP Turbine Sprayer (Mike Baker)
35. 10:16 PM - Driving Truck across country (Joe Proctor)
36. 11:01 PM - Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: Control locks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
John,I guess the plane would still have blown around whether or not you had
a rudder lock, and comprehensive tie down or a hangar are the solutions for
that.
It is however easy to make an efficient rudder lock with an airfoil
shaped piece of thick ply, lined with carpet, which slides over the top of
fin & rudder. I have used this sort of thing for trailing, combined with a
shock cord going through the trim slots, around the trim actuator 'T' bar
(to stop it rattling) and holding the ply tight down on the fin & rudder.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Control locks
> --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
<johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
> <<< The seat belt can be adjusted to hold the stick fully aft and central.
This is what I do
> when I tie the aircraft down for a nightstop. Mono or tailwheel Europas
don't have any problem
> with the rudder as they are interconnected with the tailwheel preventing
the rudder from blowing
> around in the wind. Nigel Charles >>>
>
>
> Hi Nigel,
>
> I have just got back from a trip to Sun N Fun at Lakeland, Florida and
> agree with your comments regarding holding the stick with the passenger
> seat belt. That part works fine. However, the rudder is another thing.
> On the way down from North Carolina last week, the wind was very gusty
> and turbulent and at one brief stop at Gainesville, Florida, I was
> surprised to be paged in the FBO office to look after my plane because
> it was blowing around !
>
> The plane was chocked on the mainwheel and the control stick secured but
> I found that since the rudder was not locked, the gusts were strong
> enough to swing the plane quite a lot as the tailwheel will swing when
> encouraged through almost 90 degrees; so I pulled the plane to an
> adjacent tie down and secured the tail so that I could finish my morning
> coffee. This was on concrete and may be less apparent on grass since the
> wheel will dig in more. I do not have the solution for the problem yet
> and it is on my list of 'to do' items. Any suggestions from fellow
> Europaphiles would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> N262WF, mono XS, 912S
> Mooresville, North Carolina
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Have you tried the new drug sample request service on Doctors.net.uk?
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| Subject: | Re: Control locks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! All
I use an off the shelf length of thermal pipe insulation cut down the middle
and cable tied together at each end to drop over the fin and rudder then
anchor it down with two coat hanger hooks into the trim slots to the middle
of the lengths of insulation. Very light and portable for the away landings.
However be sure to anchor the control stick with the seat belts first to
stop the pitch control allowing the tail planes to smack the hooks.
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Control locks
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> John,I guess the plane would still have blown around whether or not you
had
> a rudder lock, and comprehensive tie down or a hangar are the solutions
for
> that.
> It is however easy to make an efficient rudder lock with an
airfoil
> shaped piece of thick ply, lined with carpet, which slides over the top of
> fin & rudder. I have used this sort of thing for trailing, combined with a
> shock cord going through the trim slots, around the trim actuator 'T' bar
> (to stop it rattling) and holding the ply tight down on the fin & rudder.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
> To: Europa-List <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Control locks
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
> <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >
> > <<< The seat belt can be adjusted to hold the stick fully aft and
central.
> This is what I do
> > when I tie the aircraft down for a nightstop. Mono or tailwheel Europas
> don't have any problem
> > with the rudder as they are interconnected with the tailwheel preventing
> the rudder from blowing
> > around in the wind. Nigel Charles >>>
> >
> >
> > Hi Nigel,
> >
> > I have just got back from a trip to Sun N Fun at Lakeland, Florida and
> > agree with your comments regarding holding the stick with the passenger
> > seat belt. That part works fine. However, the rudder is another thing.
> > On the way down from North Carolina last week, the wind was very gusty
> > and turbulent and at one brief stop at Gainesville, Florida, I was
> > surprised to be paged in the FBO office to look after my plane because
> > it was blowing around !
> >
> > The plane was chocked on the mainwheel and the control stick secured but
> > I found that since the rudder was not locked, the gusts were strong
> > enough to swing the plane quite a lot as the tailwheel will swing when
> > encouraged through almost 90 degrees; so I pulled the plane to an
> > adjacent tie down and secured the tail so that I could finish my morning
> > coffee. This was on concrete and may be less apparent on grass since the
> > wheel will dig in more. I do not have the solution for the problem yet
> > and it is on my list of 'to do' items. Any suggestions from fellow
> > Europaphiles would be appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers, John
> >
> > N262WF, mono XS, 912S
> > Mooresville, North Carolina
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Have you tried the new drug sample request service on Doctors.net.uk?
> > http://www.doctors.net.uk/samples
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa to Liberty |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
I was all set to fly down to Cranfield for the lecture and stay over to
return home the next day, but when I got to my Fishburn base there was a
supra-Europan 90deg wind. So I wimpishly refrained. Seeing the weather
today, I'm quite glad I did. But I would have liked to hear what Ivan said;
I note that he named his American Europa after the Liberty engine of the
20's which alone weighed more than a complete Europa! Did anyone get to the
talk, and is there any chance of a transcript of it being made available on
this net? H
----- Original Message -----
From: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa to Liberty
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
>
> Those of you capable of beating a path to Bedfordshire, England, may be
> interested to know that Ivan Shaw will be giving a lecture to the
Cranfield
> Branch of the Royal Aeronautical Society at 7 PM on Tuesday 20th April
2004.
> The title of his talk will be "From Europa to Liberty" and he will
describe
> how he went from designing the Europa kit plane to develop the Liberty
XL-2
> certified aircraft, which received its FAA type certificate on 19 Feb this
> year.
>
> Further details are available on the Cranfield College of Aeronautics web
> site:
> http://www.ccoa.aero/events/raeslecture.asp
> Location maps may be found on the Cranfield University web site:
> http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/visit/ <http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/>
> No tickets are required and visitors are welcome. Enquiries to + 44 (0)
> 1234 754743.
>
> Mike Gregory
> Classic Monowheel kit 94
> Europa Club Safety Officer
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi List,
Are there good reasons for not putting the flash generator units in the
wings, on an inspection cover? The size is 9 x 14 cm base, 6.5 high.
weight 250 gr. How is the reliability of these (aeroflash) units? Maybe
the inspection cover could be made when, if ever, needed, and just fix the
units inside? It would save some cable, keep the high voltage far from
other equipment, be on a neutral c&g point and save space for other
gadgets in the fuselage. Comments please!
Jos Okhuijsen, #600, close to closing (wings)
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| Subject: | RE: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Jos
The flash units (power), may cause interference with your COM-radio
and if it the unit is installed as far as possible (i.e wing tip)
from the radio the chance is better to avoid noise.
I bought aeroflash and they seems to work ok. I have been recommended
aeroflash from other pilots.
I think you should make the inspection panel ahead. Sooner or later
you will need to inspect the unit.
http://www.fpp.nu/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1039.JPG (inpection panel)
http://www.fpp.nu/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1029.JPG (unit)
http://www.fpp.nu/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1027.JPG (strobe-installation-
hole )
Regards
Stephan
#556
> Hi List,
>
> Are there good reasons for not putting the flash generator units in the
> wings, on an inspection cover? The size is 9 x 14 cm base, 6.5 high.
> weight 250 gr. How is the reliability of these (aeroflash) units? Maybe
> the inspection cover could be made when, if ever, needed, and just fix
> the units inside? It would save some cable, keep the high voltage far
> from other equipment, be on a neutral c&g point and save space for
> other gadgets in the fuselage. Comments please!
>
> Jos Okhuijsen, #600, close to closing (wings)
>
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| Subject: | flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Jos
The flash units (power), may cause interference with your COM-radio
and if it the unit is installed as far as possible (i.e wing tip)
from the radio the chance is better to avoid noise.
I bought aeroflash and they seems to work ok. I have been recommended
aeroflash from other pilots.
I think you should make the inspection panel ahead. Sooner or later
you will need to inspect the unit.
http://www.fpp.nu/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1039.JPG (inpection panel)
http://www.fpp.nu/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1029.JPG (unit)
http://www.fpp.nu/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1027.JPG (strobe-installation-
hole )
Regards
Stephan
#556
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
> Hi List,
>
> Are there good reasons for not putting the flash generator units in the
> wings, on an inspection cover? The size is 9 x 14 cm base, 6.5 high.
> weight 250 gr. How is the reliability of these (aeroflash) units? Maybe
> the inspection cover could be made when, if ever, needed, and just fix
> the units inside? It would save some cable, keep the high voltage far
> from other equipment, be on a neutral c&g point and save space for
> other gadgets in the fuselage. Comments please!
>
> Jos Okhuijsen, #600, close to closing (wings)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>One has had to change his Oil Pressure Sender twice now on a 912S. The most
recent time was at about 260 hours and in this case it was over reading.<
I have had to change my oil pressure sender once. When it failed it just
indicated zero. I believe these senders suffer a lot from vibration.
Although I haven't done it yet, it might be worth mounting it remotely from
the engine using rubber hose. This was suggested once before. Has anyone any
experience of this? Although it increases the number of pipe connections it
should improve sender reliability.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Control locks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi John
>The plane was chocked on the mainwheel and the control stick secured but I
found that since the rudder was not locked, the gusts were strong enough to
swing the plane quite a lot as the tailwheel will swing when encouraged
through almost 90 degrees; so I pulled the plane to an adjacent tie down and
secured the tail so that I could finish my morning coffee. This was on
concrete and may be less apparent on grass since the wheel will dig in more.
I do not have the solution for the problem yet and it is on my list of 'to
do' items. Any suggestions from fellow Europaphiles would be appreciated.<
Thanks for the info. Your problem is more relevant in the USA as you have
more concrete/tarmac. In Europe, even at airfields with hard surfaces, there
is usually parking available on grass. If I leave my Europa unattended for
any period of time when there is any significant wind I always tie it down.
With monowheels I have found that just two tie down points (mainwheel and
tailwheel) is all that is required. With a tie down at the tailwheel the
tail cannot swing preventing any rudder deflection.
Regards
Nigel
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| Subject: | Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Alan,
That does seem low. My engine is a 912UL and has done 580 flying hours and
I still get 4 bar at 2000 rpm when hot. Unless you have run a bearing it is
probably a weak pressure relief valve, or faulty pressure sender. Because
the senders are known to give trouble and are subject to vibration, I have
mounted mine on top of the footwell and have fitted a low pressure warning
light as a backup. I use Shell Advance VSX4. I hope it
is nothing more serious than that.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart"
<alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
>
>
> My Europa Classic has now done over 600hrs on its 912UL engine.
>
> I've become a little concerned of late with the lower oil pressure
> reading reported on my Flydat.
>
> From historic readings in the 3-4 bar arena, I now achieve just 2.4 -
> 2.8 bar at cruise RPM.
>
> Formerly, I've used Silkolene Pro 4, fully synthetic oil, but have
> recently changed to the semi-synthetic recommended by Skydrive, on
> account of my occasional Avgas usage.
>
> I've recently installed the pressure release valve mod (a small 'shim'
> disc) and this has raised pressure from 1.5 bar at lowest RPM on landing
> (rare), into the same 2 bar + range. It hasn't affected the higher RPM
> pressures.
>
> Do other "high hour" 912 users have similar figures, or are they higher
> ?
>
> Any suggestions as to the reason for the pressure drop ?
>
> Alan
>
>
> Alan. D. Stewart
> -----------------------------------
>
> 14 Goddard Way phone : +44 1245
> 264186
> Chelmer Village mobile : +44
> 7801 287886
> Chelmsford, Essex CM2 6UR email :
> alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bearings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I checked on the Tailwheel bearings from Aircraft Spruce last night. They are
sealed bearings with snap ring in the middle of the outer race.
They are called long Life Sealed Bearings P/N 06-0060 and were $11.95 ea. in
the 2002/2003 Catalogue.
Ron Parigoris
James Nelson wrote:
> Ron,
> I sell bearings as I run a bearing shop. The bearing you want is
> a "499502H" by part number, I replaced mine a year ago and it makes a
> big difference. They sell for about $5 each across the counter.
> If my brain is not slow, it also might be called a 99502H. One has the
> snap ring and one does not. They are China by mfg. but they seem to be OK
> as I sell a bunch of them to lawn guys to replace the "wheel barrow
> bearing". Those I sell at $2 each so you can see the difference. The
> good 499502H are what is referred to as ground bearings and the " wbb"
> are referred to as un ground style.
>
> Jim Nelson
> N15JN
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
I was idly looking through the engine installation manuals on the club
website and was looking through the 912/S manual (I have a 914).
It talks about a cut-out and splash moulding in the front of the cowling to
direct air into the cylinder cowl. The 914 manual does not mention this but
my 914 is fitted with the cowl, should it be? Do I need the cut-out/splash
moulding or will the little bent tab in the cooling duct to the radiators
(which is missing on the 912/S) do the job?
Simon
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
Hi All
If anyone is interested I have finished with my fuselage dolly and am offering
it for sale.
It is an "A" frame made from rectangular section steel tube 2" x 1" and 1 1/4"
steel angle cross members. There are 5 bulkheads to support the fuselage, 3 wheels
and 4 screw jacks to raise and level the whole thing. It is very rigid when
levelled and all the work in the rear fuselage can be completed before putting
the top on.
It is part welded and part bolted together so that it dismantles and the long sideframes
fit on a roofrack with the bulkheads and legs going in the boot.
If anyone is interested, reply off line and I will phone you back.
Cheers
Brian Fogg (385) (Cheshire)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Nigel,
I did this about 200 hrs ago (see my reply to Alan Stewart). I am still on
the original sender unit and it appears to be still "going strong". In case
it did fail in flight and show zero pressure, if the low pressure warning
light did not illuminate, I consider I would not have to land immediately.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
Has anyone any
> experience of this? Although it increases the number of pipe connections
it
> should improve sender reliability.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europas with RiteAngle installed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Hi Europa builders installing or flying the RiteAngle AOA system.
Are you proud of your aircraft?
I have had quite a few individual messages returned due to e-mail address
changes and felt this was one way to reach the largest group of
builders/flyers.
I am in the process of updating the photos of the RiteAngle AOA system
installed on aircraft on our website, Instructional CD and my photo book I'll
have
on display at AirVenture. I appreciate all photos, however those which show
the display, Vane and / or a unique way of solving any problem related to
RiteAngle AOA
system would be appreciated along with a full aircraft photo.
E-mailing these is fine, please give S/N of RiteAngle and approximate hours
flown if you are completed building and "in the air."
To those who have already replied, thanks!
Please contact off list.
Fly the Safe Angle with the RiteAngle
Elbie
EM Aviation, LLC
www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
While at Sun and Fun last week one item that I wanted to investigate were the
three in one wing tip lights. I spent some time with the rep from Whelin.
Naturally my first question was why their system was over $300 more than the
aero flash units?
He pointed out some differences between the two.
One item was the strobe tube. Whelin's tube is a pig tail and the Aero unit
is a horseshoe shape. The rep said that this design allowed for more flash
area in the unit.
He also stated that his unit was defiantly brighter and can be seen further.
Which is why we install the devises in the first place. In fact the Aero Flash
units "may not meet FAA requirements for light intensity." I question that...
In addition we spoke of where to install the box. I mentioned that many have
chosen to install in the wing in hopes of eliminating flash noise on the Com.
He said that so long that the Whelin unit was directly grounded to battery,
and shielded wiring was used it should not be a problem for cockpit
installation. Additionaly he noted that the wire shielding could have a lug attached
and
grounded to the mounting screws on the box for enhanced protection.
All this being said I'm still looking for feed back from fellow builders.
Opinions please!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
I have had the Whelen "3 light" wingtip system installed and flying for 4
years. The power supply unit seems to have a life of about 2 years as I had
to send mine in for repair at 2 years, and now again just yesterday. Not
sure why they are failing at that rate. Mine is mounted on the rear "D"
baggage bulkhead.
Garry Stout
A060, trigear, flying
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> While at Sun and Fun last week one item that I wanted to investigate were
the
> three in one wing tip lights. I spent some time with the rep from Whelin.
> Naturally my first question was why their system was over $300 more than
the
> aero flash units?
>
> He pointed out some differences between the two.
> One item was the strobe tube. Whelin's tube is a pig tail and the Aero
unit
> is a horseshoe shape. The rep said that this design allowed for more
flash
> area in the unit.
>
> He also stated that his unit was defiantly brighter and can be seen
further.
> Which is why we install the devises in the first place. In fact the Aero
Flash
> units "may not meet FAA requirements for light intensity." I question
that...
>
>
> In addition we spoke of where to install the box. I mentioned that many
have
> chosen to install in the wing in hopes of eliminating flash noise on the
Com.
> He said that so long that the Whelin unit was directly grounded to
battery,
> and shielded wiring was used it should not be a problem for cockpit
> installation. Additionaly he noted that the wire shielding could have a
lug attached and
> grounded to the mounting screws on the box for enhanced protection.
>
> All this being said I'm still looking for feed back from fellow builders.
> Opinions please!
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
>
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
> llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
>
> He also stated that his unit was defiantly brighter and can be seen further.
> Which is why we install the devises in the first place. In fact the Aero
> Flash units "may not meet FAA requirements for light intensity."
> I question that...
Why do you question it? If Aeroflash strobes met Part 23 requirements, they would
surely say so. They don't.
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 4/21/2004 2:22:58 PM Central Standard Time,
n3eu@comcast.net writes:
Why do you question it? If Aeroflash strobes met Part 23 requirements, they
would surely say so. They don't.
Regards,
Fred F.
Because Fred I tend to question everything a sales rep says to me... Perhaps
it is because I am a sales Rep for a parts company. :) And yes I know that
they are not part 23. Thought that was a given.
Do you have any personal experiences with these units that you would like
to share?
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 4/21/2004 12:24:28 PM Central Standard Time,
garrys@tampabay.rr.com writes:
have had the Whelen "3 light" wingtip system installed and flying for 4
years. The power supply unit seems to have a life of about 2 years as I had
to send mine in for repair at 2 years, and now again just yesterday. Not
sure why they are failing at that rate. Mine is mounted on the rear "D"
baggage bulkhead.
Wow Gary! That reliability is a bit disheartening. The salesman from Wicks
lead me to believe that the AEROFLASH unit was even less reliable.
Any experience with noise?
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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| Subject: | Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>Although it increases the number of pipe connections <<
I find it more worrying that a large vibrating mass (i.e. the sender) is
attached to the engine by a spindly, stress-concentrated 1/8 NPT male
thread. However, there are no documented failures that I know of, so perhaps
I shouldn't worry.
My sender costs USD17 from 'Spruce. So who cares if it fails!
It's remotely mounted.
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> >One has had to change his Oil Pressure Sender twice now on a 912S. The
most
> recent time was at about 260 hours and in this case it was over reading.<
>
> I have had to change my oil pressure sender once. When it failed it just
> indicated zero. I believe these senders suffer a lot from vibration.
> Although I haven't done it yet, it might be worth mounting it remotely
from
> the engine using rubber hose. This was suggested once before. Has anyone
any
> experience of this? Although it increases the number of pipe connections
it
> should improve sender reliability.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: long ranger fuel tank |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Is there anything happening at Le Touquet next Saturday to make such a trip
otherwise worthwhile?
Duncan McF.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Europa-List: long ranger fuel tank
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> Hello all,
> I would like to make sure the long range tank fits into my plane before
purchasing one from Europa.
> Is there any one flying to Le Touquet next Saturday (April 24) with a long
range tank I could borrow for a few minutes ?
> R=E9mi Guerner
> F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel
> Purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix. Now 240 hours.
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I would like to make sure the long range tank fits into my plane before
purchasing one from Europa.
>
>
> Is there any one flying to Le Touquet next Saturday (April 24) with a long
range tank I could borrow for a few minutes?
>
>
> R=E9mi Guerner
>
>
> F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel
>
>
> Purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix. Now 240 hours.
>
>
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| Subject: | flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Brian
You can get the same Whelen made strobe electronics for about half the
price that Whelen charges for their units made for airplanes. I think I
got mine from strobes.com. If you don't find them, I can look it up.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 4/21/2004 2:22:58 PM Central Standard Time,
n3eu@comcast.net writes:
Why do you question it? If Aeroflash strobes met Part 23 requirements,
they
would surely say so. They don't.
Regards,
Fred F.
Because Fred I tend to question everything a sales rep says to me...
Perhaps
it is because I am a sales Rep for a parts company. :) And yes I know
that
they are not part 23. Thought that was a given.
Do you have any personal experiences with these units that you would
like
to share?
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&n
ame=ga
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | N378PJ a real airplane now! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I just wanted to let you know that I got my official airworthiness certificate
from the FAA today. I am not quite ready to fly it yet, but its a nice milestone
to pass.
Cheers, Paul
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| Subject: | Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
But Duncan you have not allowed for the cost of replacement underpants when
the oil pressure drops to zero!
Pete
PS On special at Tesco should the Europa Club hold spares?
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| Subject: | Re: N378PJ a real airplane now! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Paul McAllister wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I just wanted to let you know that I got my official airworthiness certificate
from the FAA today. I am not quite ready to fly it yet, but its a nice milestone
to pass.
>
>Cheers, Paul
>
>
>
Congratulations, Paul. I look forward to the day I can announce the same...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure
> I have had to change my oil pressure sender once. When it failed it just
> indicated zero. I believe these senders suffer a lot from vibration.
> Although I haven't done it yet, it might be worth mounting it remotely
from
> the engine using rubber hose. This was suggested once before. Has anyone
any
> experience of this? Although it increases the number of pipe connections
it
> should improve sender reliability.
After a second sensor failure I fitted the replacement sensor by means of a
'P' clip to the top of the air duct for the oil/water radiators and
connected it to the engine with 0.3 metres of Speedflex SS braided Teflon
hose with 1/8" NPT terminals. 17.80p from Earls Performance Products of
Silverstone. (PFA Mod. No. 10708).
Fitted nearly 100 hours ago and no failure since.
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| Subject: | Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
Hi
I wonder if anyone has had their oil presure suddenly go to zero and have subsequently
calculated the forces (both instant and sustained) on said under garments?
I also have a randomly fluctuating presure (in the range 44 to 60 ish psi.) Is
this syptomatic of a failing sender?
Regards
Rick
G-RIKS 912s Tri
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| Subject: | Re: N378PJ a real airplane now! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Paul
Way to go ! We will be waiting for your next email reporting your first
flight.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
flew 2 test hours today
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| Subject: | Ceiling Panel Compasses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering about incorporating the anchorage points for an overhead
compass at this stage of my build. The SIRS range appear very nice looking
compasses but seem to hang down quite a way. Any advice or recommendations
out there for a low profile option.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Brian
I installed the Whelin three in one lights/strobes in the build process. These
lights have
500 + hr. on them with no problems.
On installation make sure that the ground wire is continuous through the wing disconnect
fitting, from the wing tip to the box. Which was installed behind the baggage compartment.
Then make sure the box is grounded also. This should eliminate noise in the headset.
Jim
N398JB
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> While at Sun and Fun last week one item that I wanted to investigate were the
> three in one wing tip lights. I spent some time with the rep from Whelin.
> Naturally my first question was why their system was over $300 more than the
> aero flash units?
>
> He pointed out some differences between the two.
> One item was the strobe tube. Whelin's tube is a pig tail and the Aero unit
> is a horseshoe shape. The rep said that this design allowed for more flash
> area in the unit.
>
> He also stated that his unit was defiantly brighter and can be seen further.
> Which is why we install the devises in the first place. In fact the Aero Flash
> units "may not meet FAA requirements for light intensity." I question that...
>
> In addition we spoke of where to install the box. I mentioned that many have
> chosen to install in the wing in hopes of eliminating flash noise on the Com.
> He said that so long that the Whelin unit was directly grounded to battery,
> and shielded wiring was used it should not be a problem for cockpit
> installation. Additionaly he noted that the wire shielding could have a lug attached
and
> grounded to the mounting screws on the box for enhanced protection.
>
> All this being said I'm still looking for feed back from fellow builders.
> Opinions please!
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
> llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Nigel
If memory serves me right, I remember several years ago that Katana sent a service
bulletin to their dealers on this very same subject. Their solution to the failed
oil pressure sender problem was to remotely mount the sender on the firewall by
a
flexible hose.
I'm sorry to say but I have just replaced my third sender in 500 hrs. It would
appear I am a slow learner.......
Jim Brown
N398JB
nigel charles wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> >One has had to change his Oil Pressure Sender twice now on a 912S. The most
> recent time was at about 260 hours and in this case it was over reading.<
>
> I have had to change my oil pressure sender once. When it failed it just
> indicated zero. I believe these senders suffer a lot from vibration.
> Although I haven't done it yet, it might be worth mounting it remotely from
> the engine using rubber hose. This was suggested once before. Has anyone any
> experience of this? Although it increases the number of pipe connections it
> should improve sender reliability.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
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| Subject: | HVLP Turbine Sprayer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Fellow Europa Builders,
This is a frustration relieving write-up that will hopefully shed some light on
the technical situation, depend in on the knowledge base out there.
When I painted the airplane for the first time, I read a glowing article about
the 4 stage turbine HVLP sprayers in Sport Aviation. They said that would give
the ultimate finish and be easy for the rannk amateur to use, so since I want
the ultimate finish, I spent the huge amount of money one. The results of this
decision have not been good. I am now looking into buying a huge air compressor
and a water/oil separator and a normal HVLP gun that works off of that coompressor.
The issue with the turbine has been the heating of the air prior to
the gun and the resulting problems with the paint finish from that - orange peel
for one. Every painter and paint rep has said the same thing - I should just
use a regular HVLP gun running off an air compressor.
When I purchased the turbine rig, from what I read, I thought I was buying the
ultimate and when I happened to mention it to a painter, he would be in awe
and amazement that I have access to this advanced painting gun. Instead from what
I have seen, nobody but those who sell those guns recommends them. I even
noticed that the article in Sport Aviation (recommending my specific model of
turbine HVLP gun) was written by the person who sells those turbine sprayers!
Have I been duped? Is there some secret to making that expensive monument to inexperience
useful? Should I even bother trying to use it with my now new idea
- acrylic urethane finish paint? Inquiring minds want to know.
The paint gun people say that the painters are living in the past and the turbine
is the only way to go. Usually advances in technology catch on and out sell
the competition and that brings out the truth in the end. As far as I can tell,
that is not the case here.
I can't WAIT until the airplane is finally repainted and I can put this all behind!
Hopefully the finish will last a long time. It is a good feeling, though,
to be supporting the economy by spending three times as much as I needed to
in order to paint the airplane!
My advise? Buy the paint first, then find out the ideal gun to spray that paint.
Whew!!!!!!
Dave
A227
mini U2
181 TT
About to start SANDING for hours and hours and hours and hours.............
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP Turbine Sprayer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Dave
I would like to make you feel much better about spending so much money on
your paint gun.
I had no delusion that I could paint my airplane and get the kind of
"perfect" finish that I had seen on others planes. Being so new in this
sport/hobby, I hired a friends friend's paint shop to paint my plane. NOW
that is expensive. Feel good, you are doing the work your self.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP Turbine Sprayer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
Viscosity is the key when using HLVP.
Most adverts talk about lacquer not urethane.
low pressure spatters the paint on in globs.
thinning to a point of watery consistency may be the
only way to get it to work.
you aren't the first person to complain.
try calling Sherwin Williams in Wichita for advice.
Saw a beautiful paint job on an RV that was perfectly
orange pealed. thought he ought to leave it that way
just for something different. the french did talk
about a plastic film to go on the airbus wings that
would increase efficiency. you may be on to something.
--- Dave Anderson <dja767@charter.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson"
> <dja767@charter.net>
>
> Fellow Europa Builders,
>
> This is a frustration relieving write-up that will
> hopefully shed some light on the technical
> situation, depend in on the knowledge base out
> there.
>
> When I painted the airplane for the first time, I
> read a glowing article about the 4 stage turbine
> HVLP sprayers in Sport Aviation. They said that
> would give the ultimate finish and be easy for the
> rannk amateur to use, so since I want the ultimate
> finish, I spent the huge amount of money one. The
> results of this decision have not been good. I am
> now looking into buying a huge air compressor and a
> water/oil separator and a normal HVLP gun that works
> off of that coompressor. The issue with the turbine
> has been the heating of the air prior to the gun and
> the resulting problems with the paint finish from
> that - orange peel for one. Every painter and paint
> rep has said the same thing - I should just use a
> regular HVLP gun running off an air compressor.
>
> When I purchased the turbine rig, from what I
> read, I thought I was buying the ultimate and when I
> happened to mention it to a painter, he would be in
> awe and amazement that I have access to this
> advanced painting gun. Instead from what I have
> seen, nobody but those who sell those guns
> recommends them. I even noticed that the article in
> Sport Aviation (recommending my specific model of
> turbine HVLP gun) was written by the person who
> sells those turbine sprayers! Have I been duped? Is
> there some secret to making that expensive monument
> to inexperience useful? Should I even bother trying
> to use it with my now new idea - acrylic urethane
> finish paint? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> The paint gun people say that the painters are
> living in the past and the turbine is the only way
> to go. Usually advances in technology catch on and
> out sell the competition and that brings out the
> truth in the end. As far as I can tell, that is not
> the case here.
>
> I can't WAIT until the airplane is finally repainted
> and I can put this all behind! Hopefully the finish
> will last a long time. It is a good feeling, though,
> to be supporting the economy by spending three
> times as much as I needed to in order to paint the
> airplane!
> My advise? Buy the paint first, then find out the
> ideal gun to spray that paint.
>
>
> Whew!!!!!!
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> mini U2
> 181 TT
> About to start SANDING for hours and hours and hours
> and hours.............
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Driving Truck across country |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Hi All,
I'm picking a Kit up in SC on the 26th of April. If anyone needs to ship
anything to the west coast please let me know before Friday night. Thanks.
Joe Proctor
A272 Europa Mono, Motor-Glider
Wheel Chock Completed, Seven Years to go
pjoe2@qwest.net
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| Subject: | Re: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Rick, Mine flickered until I cleaned the terminals.
Regs,
William
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Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa 912 : Lowish in-flight oil pressure
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
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> Hi
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> I wonder if anyone has had their oil presure suddenly go to zero and have
subsequently calculated the forces (both instant and sustained) on said
under garments?
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> I also have a randomly fluctuating presure (in the range 44 to 60 ish
psi.) Is this syptomatic of a failing sender?
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> Regards
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> Rick
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> G-RIKS 912s Tri
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