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1. 12:53 AM - Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses (Carl & Dot)
2. 01:06 AM - Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses (David Joyce)
3. 01:55 AM - Re: Europa to Liberty (M.J. Gregory)
4. 03:09 AM - Re: N378PJ a real airplane now! (Neville Eyre)
5. 03:39 AM - Re: Cowlings (Neville Eyre)
6. 04:25 AM - Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses (Nigel Graham)
7. 05:01 AM - Oh, my - paint (Fergus Kyle)
8. 05:45 AM - Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses (Fergus Kyle)
9. 06:11 AM - Re:Jim: flash generator units (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
10. 07:17 AM - Re: flash generator units (n3eu@comcast.net)
11. 07:25 AM - Re: HVLP Turbine Sprayer (n3eu@comcast.net)
12. 09:26 AM - 1. Wing tip strobe power packs. 2. Oil pressure sender reliabilty (John & Paddy Wigney)
13. 09:54 AM - HVLP Turbine Sprayer (KARL HEINDL)
14. 10:56 AM - Re: Hat Dropping? (bryan allsop)
15. 12:31 PM - Re: Hat Dropping? (David Joyce)
16. 12:44 PM - Re: 1. Wing tip strobe power packs. 2. Oil pressure sender reliabilty (hedley brown)
17. 12:48 PM - Adhesive supplies from the factory (Simon Miles)
18. 12:50 PM - Re: Cowlings (Ami McFadyean)
19. 01:12 PM - Re: Adhesive supplies from the factory (Ami McFadyean)
20. 02:03 PM - Re: Driving Truck across country (chris davis)
21. 02:05 PM - Control Lock (RICHARD IDDON)
22. 02:12 PM - Re: filling around hinges (Rowland Carson)
23. 02:53 PM - Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses (Carl & Dot)
24. 06:16 PM - External Power Connection (Troy Maynor)
25. 06:59 PM - Re: External Power Connection (Fergus Kyle)
26. 07:00 PM - Re: External Power Connection (EuropaForum)
27. 07:13 PM - Re: External Power Connection (James Nelson)
28. 10:39 PM - Re: long ranger fuel tank (William Mills)
29. 10:46 PM - SV: External Power Connection (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
30. 11:30 PM - Hat Drop (David Joyce)
31. 11:45 PM - Re: Driving Truck across country (Joe Proctor)
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| Subject: | Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
I can thoroughly reccomend the SIRS compass but would suggest you mount it
on top of the instrument panel (my version came with a dual fitting option -
ie: suspended or otherwise). We tried ours in the suspended position but it
didnt feel right -BTW it is possible to attach it to the centre of the
plexiglass screen (as in most automobiles - cars to the Brits) as it comes
with a very sticky (AND PERMANENT) attachment pad.
IMHO the suspended option puts the compass well out of your line of sight
(you have to look up to read it) and there is the risk of knocking it when
you are getting in and out of the aircraft. Of course if you have a DI then
you may not need to refer to it that often.
Carl P
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am wondering about incorporating the anchorage points for an overhead
> compass at this stage of my build. The SIRS range appear very nice looking
> compasses but seem to hang down quite a way. Any advice or recommendations
> out there for a low profile option.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Tony, A Sirs compass stuck on to the top of the windscreen in midline works
very well and doesn't seem the least intrusive in service, as it is partly
recessed behind the windscreen frame. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am wondering about incorporating the anchorage points for an overhead
> compass at this stage of my build. The SIRS range appear very nice looking
> compasses but seem to hang down quite a way. Any advice or recommendations
> out there for a low profile option.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Have you tried the new drug sample request service on Doctors.net.uk?
> http://www.doctors.net.uk/samples
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa to Liberty |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Sorry, Hedley, that you couldn't make it to Cranfield on Tuesday evening.
There is no transcript available - you really needed to be there to get the
full flavour of an inspiring talk in which Ivan explained the principles he
followed that led down the road to the Europa and then to the Liberty.
If Ivan can be persuaded to give such a talk again, whether at Kemble or
elsewhere, I strongly recommend people to overcome all obstacles to be
there.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown"
<hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
I was all set to fly down to Cranfield for the lecture and stay over to
return home the next day, but when I got to my Fishburn base there was a
supra-Europan 90deg wind. So I wimpishly refrained. Seeing the weather
today, I'm quite glad I did. But I would have liked to hear what Ivan said;
I note that he named his American Europa after the Liberty engine of the
20's which alone weighed more than a complete Europa! Did anyone get to the
talk, and is there any chance of a transcript of it being made available on
this net? H
----- Original Message -----
From: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa to Liberty
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
>
> Those of you capable of beating a path to Bedfordshire, England, may be
interested to know that Ivan Shaw will be giving a lecture to the Cranfield
Branch of the Royal Aeronautical Society at 7 PM on Tuesday 20th April 2004.
> The title of his talk will be "From Europa to Liberty" and he will
describe how he went from designing the Europa kit plane to develop the
Liberty XL-2 certified aircraft, which received its FAA type certificate on
19 Feb this year.
>
> Further details are available on the Cranfield College of Aeronautics web
site:
> http://www.ccoa.aero/events/raeslecture.asp
> Location maps may be found on the Cranfield University web site:
> http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/visit/ <http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/>
> No tickets are required and visitors are welcome. Enquiries to + 44 (0)
1234 754743.
>
> Mike Gregory
> Classic Monowheel kit 94
> Europa Club Safety Officer
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| Subject: | N378PJ a real airplane now! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
As the Europa is a British design, it is a ''Real Aeroplane'' and not a ''Real
Airplane'' !
Cheers,
Nev. [A''Real Englishman'']
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: N378PJ a real airplane now!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I just wanted to let you know that I got my official airworthiness certificate
from the FAA today. I am not quite ready to fly it yet, but its a nice milestone
to pass.
Cheers, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
The 914 as supplied does not normally come with the cylinder shroud, the 912S has
that as a standard fitment. It is available for the 914 as an option [ but
VERY EXPENSIVE !]
Tests indicate a drop of oil and water temps of about 10 C when the shroud is fitted.
If the shroud is left on, then the cowl MUST have the air inlet fitted, if the
shroud is removed, you needn't cut the inlet.
The air scoop cut into the lower duct is to let a bit of air flow past the Turbo
on the 914.
Hope this clears up any confusion ?
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: Europa-List: Cowlings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
I was idly looking through the engine installation manuals on the club
website and was looking through the 912/S manual (I have a 914).
It talks about a cut-out and splash moulding in the front of the cowling to
direct air into the cylinder cowl. The 914 manual does not mention this but
my 914 is fitted with the cowl, should it be? Do I need the cut-out/splash
moulding or will the little bent tab in the cooling duct to the radiators
(which is missing on the 912/S) do the job?
Simon
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| Subject: | Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Is it really wise to position the compass so close to all that metalwork
and frantic electrical activity?
The reason for placing it high has more to do with minimising the
magnetic disturbance than ease of viewing.
It might be a good idea to hold the compass over the instrument panel
and power up all the eclectics and to verify any deviation - before
mounting it permanently.
Just a thought
Nigel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
I can thoroughly reccomend the SIRS compass but would suggest you mount
it
on top of the instrument panel (my version came with a dual fitting
option -
ie: suspended or otherwise). We tried ours in the suspended position but
it
didnt feel right -BTW it is possible to attach it to the centre of the
plexiglass screen (as in most automobiles - cars to the Brits) as it
comes
with a very sticky (AND PERMANENT) attachment pad.
IMHO the suspended option puts the compass well out of your line of
sight
(you have to look up to read it) and there is the risk of knocking it
when
you are getting in and out of the aircraft. Of course if you have a DI
then
you may not need to refer to it that often.
Carl P
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am wondering about incorporating the anchorage points for an
overhead
> compass at this stage of my build. The SIRS range appear very nice
looking
> compasses but seem to hang down quite a way. Any advice or
recommendations
> out there for a low profile option.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
==
==
==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Dave,
I'm sorry you are having so much trouble with the paint 'gang'.
The ultimate coat is the aim of most of us, but I think I'm
going to have to either find a perfect painter and go with him, or be
satisfied with what I can produce myself.
The one thing your message reminded me was that some product
articles in Sport Av seem to be written by their sales people - but appear
as unbiased assessments .............. something blatantly impossible. In
this case, the tradition of long-respected periodicals seems prudent - a
short but honest history of the writer's career preceding the content. Then
one can feel open to attitude change. Nothing beats an honest bio.
Good luck in your quest, and keep us advised! Perhaps your
altitude has something to do with it?
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
|
| Tony, A Sirs compass stuck on to the top of the windscreen in midline
works
| very well and doesn't seem the least intrusive in service, as it is partly
| recessed behind the windscreen frame. Regards, David
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
| To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
| <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
| >
| > Gidday,
| > I am wondering about incorporating the anchorage points for an overhead
| > compass at this stage of my build. The SIRS range appear very nice
looking
| > compasses but seem to hang down quite a way. Any advice or
recommendations
| > out there for a low profile option.
| > Tony Renshaw
| > Sydney Australia
I don't know how much of this tired olde pilote stuff you can stand, but
IMHExperience several times in the trusty old DC3, I have craned to look at
a piece of the sky lurking behind the top centre-mount liquid compass to
find a neat but solid aircraft bearing down - and swore never to put one
there. The intervening years have softened those rabid declarations though
and if it can be EASILY seen around I think that's where the standby compass
will go. I never had to use it in anger.
Ferg
A064
Confucius says, "No one will ever know you were killed by the standby
compass"
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Thanks Jim. When you said continuous ground wire through the wings, I assume
that you mean the only splice or connection should be at wing to fuselage with
the rest of the connections.
Another question is where did you place your com antenna? I had thought about
in the wings but am concerned about the strobe wire being so close.
Thanks for your help!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
> Because Fred I tend to question everything a sales rep says to
> me... Perhaps it is because I am a sales Rep for a parts company.
> :) And yes I know that they are not part 23. Thought that was a
> given. Do you have any personal experiences with these units
> that you would like to share?
Only experience is with Whelen's. A pair of wingtip units has been working
for me 23 years now w/o any need for service. Aeroflash quartz beacons can
be troublesome, but their strobes as orig equipment on pre-1977 aircraft
seem pretty rugged, per at least an email list of owners of one of those
types.
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP Turbine Sprayer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Dave Anderson wrote:
> ...
> Every painter and paint rep has said the same thing - I should just
> use a regular HVLP gun running off an air compressor.
Having used several of them HVLP conversion guns -- and it's not contrary
to any mfr claims, there's nothing in HVLP technology that gives you a
better finish, beyond less mist to settle on surfaces no longer wet enough
to deal with it. They're great for body shops for profit and environmental
reasons, and any poorer atomization makes little difference where they cut and
buff it out anyway. Also, with HVLP, one has to invest extra $$ in cfm
capacity of the compressor, overkill for otherwise topping off one's tires!
I've found a "pressure pot" an excellent investment for shooting airplanes and
safe to buy from Harbor Fright(!) Tools. Much better control over atomization
-- set and forget -- and preferable for big things like planes, due to much
less weight in the gun and 80% of the surface shot at less than ideal angles
and/or body positioning.
Also, of the dozen+ guns I have, old reliable still turns out to be a
inexpensive one from Sears about 25 years ago. Only reason I can think of is
maybe back then Sears sold house-branded stuff made by serious, domestic
mfrs. Through google or eBay you can find good prices on Binks or DeVilbiss.
Just watch our for correct needle diameter for the stuff being shot.
Good luck!
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | 1. Wing tip strobe power packs. 2. Oil pressure sender reliabilty |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<< Are there good reasons for not putting the flash generator units in
the wings, on an inspection cover? The size is 9 x 14 cm base, 6.5 high.
weight 250 gr. How is the reliability of these (aeroflash) units? Maybe
the inspection cover could be made when, if ever, needed, and just fix
the units inside? It would save some cable, keep the high voltage far
from other equipment, be on a neutral c&g point and save space for other
gadgets in the fuselage. Comments please! Jos Okhuijsen, #600, close to
closing (wings) >>>>
I mounted my Whelen strobe power packs (HTS, CF) on small inspection
hatches just inside the wing tips on the lower surface. Works fine, no
interference. I have had mine in service for 2 1/2 years, no reliabilty
problem so far.
On the subject of oil pressure sender reliability, I secured the sender
body with a large 'P' clip to minimise vibration.
Cheers, John
N262WF, XS mono, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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| Subject: | HVLP Turbine Sprayer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Dave,
I think your first problem was rushing into the job without practicing on some
other material.
I used an Apollo sprayer with reasonable success, but then I did have some prior
experience with spraying of furniture lacquers. I believe that an experienced
painter can do an excellent finish with almost any equipment and paint, but
amateurs like you and me do it by trial and error.
If you had orange peel then you didn't thin the paint correctly, and the same can
happen with any system. Fine atomization of the paint is absolutely essential,
a very fine mist is what you should aim at, with a needle size of about 1mm.
The warm air from the turbine is not a problem, but it causes the paint to
dry more rapidly. If that is not desirable then you simply use a different thinner
(retardent) which increases drying time. The supplier of your paint would
be able to advise you.
Karl
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| Subject: | Re: Hat Dropping? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Can't make it for a breakfast bap at breakfast, but I hope that they wont
have run out by lunchtime.
I trust that your weather forcasting is going to be better than mine was.
Regards. Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hat Dropping?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> David,
>
> I did think of flying down to N Weald last Friday but the warm front
> stalled over Birmingham put the kybosh on that.
>
> Caernarvon sounds good to me. They make an astounding 'breakfast bap'
>
> Hope to see you there all being well.
>
> Regards.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hat Dropping?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Richard, As one of the only 2 who made it out of the murk over the
> Western
> part of the country to N. Weald, (or 2 1/2 if you count Bob Harrison,
> who
> drove there!), I should take responsibility for not having pinned down
> the
> other (Dave Watts) to organise this week's event. Certainly Friday looks
> as
> though it may be reasonable and I would like to suggest Caernarvon. No
> free
> pass as far I know but it is a good destination for those who haven't
> sampled it, with a small air museum on site and with interesting flying
> along Menai Straits or thru/over Snowdonia with a few fast jets to liven
> things up!
> ----- Regards, David Joyce
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hat Dropping? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
I can't decide from this evenings selection of W. forecasts whether the tail
of the warm front is going to miss Caernarfon or not. If only the met office
did 215s more than 6 hrs ahead! I guess we shall all have to wait for the
mornings 214/5 and decide then.
Regards, David Joyce
----- Original Message -----
From: bryan allsop <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hat Dropping?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> Can't make it for a breakfast bap at breakfast, but I hope that they wont
> have run out by lunchtime.
>
> I trust that your weather forcasting is going to be better than mine was.
>
> Regards. Bryan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hat Dropping?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON"
<riddon@btinternet.com>
> >
> > David,
> >
> > I did think of flying down to N Weald last Friday but the warm front
> > stalled over Birmingham put the kybosh on that.
> >
> > Caernarvon sounds good to me. They make an astounding 'breakfast bap'
> >
> > Hope to see you there all being well.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Richard Iddon G-RIXS
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hat Dropping?
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> > <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> >
> > Richard, As one of the only 2 who made it out of the murk over the
> > Western
> > part of the country to N. Weald, (or 2 1/2 if you count Bob Harrison,
> > who
> > drove there!), I should take responsibility for not having pinned down
> > the
> > other (Dave Watts) to organise this week's event. Certainly Friday looks
> > as
> > though it may be reasonable and I would like to suggest Caernarvon. No
> > free
> > pass as far I know but it is a good destination for those who haven't
> > sampled it, with a small air museum on site and with interesting flying
> > along Menai Straits or thru/over Snowdonia with a few fast jets to liven
> > things up!
> > ----- Regards, David Joyce
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Have you tried the new drug sample request service on Doctors.net.uk?
> http://www.doctors.net.uk/samples
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 1. Wing tip strobe power packs. 2. Oil pressure sender |
reliabilty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
My only problem with my wing tip mounting is that it adds 1 1/2" to the
wingspan, which can make getting out of a cramped hargar even more tedious.
H
----- Original Message -----
From: "John & Paddy Wigney" <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Europa-List: 1. Wing tip strobe power packs. 2. Oil pressure sender
reliabilty
> --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
<johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
>
> <<<< Are there good reasons for not putting the flash generator units in
> the wings, on an inspection cover? The size is 9 x 14 cm base, 6.5 high.
> weight 250 gr. How is the reliability of these (aeroflash) units? Maybe
> the inspection cover could be made when, if ever, needed, and just fix
> the units inside? It would save some cable, keep the high voltage far
> from other equipment, be on a neutral c&g point and save space for other
> gadgets in the fuselage. Comments please! Jos Okhuijsen, #600, close to
> closing (wings) >>>>
>
> I mounted my Whelen strobe power packs (HTS, CF) on small inspection
> hatches just inside the wing tips on the lower surface. Works fine, no
> interference. I have had mine in service for 2 1/2 years, no reliabilty
> problem so far.
>
> On the subject of oil pressure sender reliability, I secured the sender
> body with a large 'P' clip to minimise vibration.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> N262WF, XS mono, 912S
> Mooresville, North Carolina
>
>
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| Subject: | Adhesive supplies from the factory |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Miles" <Simon.Miles@skynet.be>
Is anyone else having trouble getting fresh supplies of Ampreg and Redux
from Europa? I have been waiting 3 MONTHS and after telephoning
Kirkbymoorside again this afternoon they still can't tell me when they will
be able to supply it! Since these adhesives are fairly fundamental to the
construction of a Europa I find it very difficult to understand how this
situation has arisen.
Does anyone know of alternative suppliers?
I'm very disappointed with Europa today, to put it mildly :-(
Simon Miles,
Builder #508.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Neville,
What drop is there in cylinder wall temps.with the cooling shroud fitted?
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cowlings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre"
<neville@europa-aircraft.com>
>
> Hi All,
> The 914 as supplied does not normally come with the cylinder shroud, the
912S has that as a standard fitment. It is available for the 914 as an
option [ but VERY EXPENSIVE !]
> Tests indicate a drop of oil and water temps of about 10 C when the shroud
is fitted.
> If the shroud is left on, then the cowl MUST have the air inlet fitted, if
the shroud is removed, you needn't cut the inlet.
> The air scoop cut into the lower duct is to let a bit of air flow past the
Turbo on the 914.
> Hope this clears up any confusion ?
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Cowlings
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
> I was idly looking through the engine installation manuals on the club
> website and was looking through the 912/S manual (I have a 914).
>
> It talks about a cut-out and splash moulding in the front of the cowling
to
> direct air into the cylinder cowl. The 914 manual does not mention this
but
> my 914 is fitted with the cowl, should it be? Do I need the
cut-out/splash
> moulding or will the little bent tab in the cooling duct to the radiators
> (which is missing on the 912/S) do the job?
>
> Simon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adhesive supplies from the factory |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>Does anyone know of alternative suppliers?<<
Skycraft.
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Miles" <Simon.Miles@skynet.be>
Subject: Europa-List: Adhesive supplies from the factory
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Miles" <Simon.Miles@skynet.be>
>
> Is anyone else having trouble getting fresh supplies of Ampreg and Redux
> from Europa? I have been waiting 3 MONTHS and after telephoning
> Kirkbymoorside again this afternoon they still can't tell me when they
will
> be able to supply it! Since these adhesives are fairly fundamental to the
> construction of a Europa I find it very difficult to understand how this
> situation has arisen.
>
> Does anyone know of alternative suppliers?
>
> I'm very disappointed with Europa today, to put it mildly :-(
>
>
> Simon Miles,
> Builder #508.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Driving Truck across country |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Hey Joe are you the lucky guy who stole that motor glider kit on E bay? if
so, nice move ,not every day you buy a europa kit for half price. Good luck
Chris Davis A160 MG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Driving Truck across country
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
>
> Hi All,
> I'm picking a Kit up in SC on the 26th of April. If anyone needs to ship
> anything to the west coast please let me know before Friday night. Thanks.
>
> Joe Proctor
> A272 Europa Mono, Motor-Glider
> Wheel Chock Completed, Seven Years to go
> pjoe2@qwest.net
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I can claim no credit for this idea, it is a copy of the gust-lock
mentioned by Peter Zutrauen from Ontario. The original was made in
aluminium but I have made a similar item from 22mm. domestic plastic
overflow piping, two T pieces and a length of shock cord.
What I constructed is a T about 12 in. across and 18 in. long. I cut
part of the pipe away at each end of the head of the T so that it sits
over the rudder pedals. I fitted a second T piece at the foot of the leg
at right angles to the head then cut half of the vertical section of
this T piece away to leave a U section which fits against the stick. I
drilled a couple of holes in the underside of my panel and threaded a
piece of =BC in. shock cord through so that it lies out of the way on the
underside of the panel when not in use.
To use the lock simply drop it over the two pedals, place the stick into
the U section and pull the shock cord over the stick, taking as turn
around the top to stop it moving from side to side.
It does allow a little movement in the control surfaces but stops them
from banging About in the wind.
Cost me pennies, weigh just an ounce or two and took less than an hour
to make and fit.
Peter sent me a sketch of the original which I would be pleased to
forward on to anyone interested.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS Hoping to make it to Caernarvon tomorrow weather
permitting.
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| Subject: | Re: filling around hinges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004 04 18 16:52 -0700 Cliff Shaw wrote:
>I had a problem getting the filler out of the hinge wire holes. An hobby
>knife cleaned up the 1/2" spaces but the holes were really a problem.
>
>I found that plastic trimmer line for the lawn trimmer just slipped in the
>holes before I filled. Then when cleaning up, the knife cut the line off and
>I could poke out the little pieces very easily.
>
>You may have gathered that I did fill all the way to the top of the
>knuckles.
and,
At 2004 04 19 09:00 +0100 Roger Sheridan wrote:
>I slit (tricky) a length of nylon tube & slid that over the hinge, that
>prevented filler contamination & sanding damage.
>(Now I'm wondering whether it's a good idea to paint the hinge?)
Cliff, Roger - sorry for delay in responding. Both your suggestions
rely upon the hinge not being assembled. I have been following the
instructions in the manual, and thus my rudder hinges are assembled
with the hinge wire safetied. (Incidentally, once the hinges are
rivetted on, I can't see how the hinge wires can be removed or
inserted without cutting away quite a bit of the edge of the adjacent
hinge flange layup.) I have not had a problem with the filler getting
into the hinge-wire hole - when properly made up, it's much too dry
to get anywhere by capillary action like plain epoxy does. The
presence of the other hinge leaf prevents Roger's idea being used,
but it's something like that I feel is needed.
I have put masking tape over the hinge knuckle, with parcel tape on
top for better epoxy resistance. That stops filler adhering to the
hinge, but doesn't help with achieving a nice-looking edge to the
filler. I suppose I could tape on a tiny triangular-section fillet -
well, the hypotenuse would have to be a quadrant of a circle, not a
straight line - but that seems a bit fiddly and I'm not sure it would
stay on during all the work.
Still looking for better ideas!
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 670 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Ceiling Panel Compasses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Have been flying with said configuration for a year and no problems. We also
have a WW2 remote compass (sender mounted up the back) and they both agree
(as far as we can determine). We are certainly not aware of any interference
with the coaming mounted compass.
Reason we fitted the SIRS compass was as a backup because the fluid leaked
out of the original WW2 compass sender and the original compass jammed. When
we took it apart we found the gasket on the compass housing had been bodged
(a reconditioned unit). We have manufactured a proper gasket and a year on
both compasses are working fine (and seem to agree).
And if two compasses werent enough, we tend to use the compass rose on the
Garmin GPS3 as the primary reference, with the magnetic compasses as
backup - are we taking redundancy too far?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham"
<nigel_graham@btclick.com>
>
> Is it really wise to position the compass so close to all that metalwork
> and frantic electrical activity?
> The reason for placing it high has more to do with minimising the
> magnetic disturbance than ease of viewing.
> It might be a good idea to hold the compass over the instrument panel
> and power up all the eclectics and to verify any deviation - before
> mounting it permanently.
>
> Just a thought
>
> Nigel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
>
> I can thoroughly reccomend the SIRS compass but would suggest you mount
> it
> on top of the instrument panel (my version came with a dual fitting
> option -
> ie: suspended or otherwise). We tried ours in the suspended position but
> it
> didnt feel right -BTW it is possible to attach it to the centre of the
> plexiglass screen (as in most automobiles - cars to the Brits) as it
> comes
> with a very sticky (AND PERMANENT) attachment pad.
>
> IMHO the suspended option puts the compass well out of your line of
> sight
> (you have to look up to read it) and there is the risk of knocking it
> when
> you are getting in and out of the aircraft. Of course if you have a DI
> then
> you may not need to refer to it that often.
>
> Carl P
> G-LABS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Ceiling Panel Compasses
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > Gidday,
> > I am wondering about incorporating the anchorage points for an
> overhead
> > compass at this stage of my build. The SIRS range appear very nice
> looking
> > compasses but seem to hang down quite a way. Any advice or
> recommendations
> > out there for a low profile option.
> >
> > Reg
> > Tony Renshaw
> > Sydney Australia
> >
> > Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> > Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> > Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> > Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> > Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> > Instrumentation: Undecided
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | External Power Connection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Hi All,
I want to put in an external power connection (piper style) that I found at
S n F. Reason being, If I ever get caught out somewhere and temporarily run
down the battery for a poor starting technique or some other reason, it will
be a little tricky to get the cowling back on after start. ;) For those of
you that have installed a ground power plug, where is the ideal place to
locate it? I was thinking about stealing one fine gentleman's idea that
lives in Tampa, but hate to run that much copper from the RH footwell to
behind the pilots seat. It may be the only safe place though. Any thoughts
and suggestions.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
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| Subject: | Re: External Power Connection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: External Power Connection
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
|
| Hi All,
| I want to put in an external power connection (piper style) that I found
at
| S n F. Reason being, If I ever get caught out somewhere and temporarily
run
| down the battery for a poor starting technique or some other reason, it
will
| be a little tricky to get the cowling back on after start. ;) For those
of
| you that have installed a ground power plug, where is the ideal place to
| locate it? I was thinking about stealing one fine gentleman's idea that
| lives in Tampa, but hate to run that much copper from the RH footwell to
| behind the pilots seat. It may be the only safe place though. Any thoughts
| and suggestions.
| Troy Maynor
| N120EU Monowheel Classic
| Left to finish:
| Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
Troy,
Over 'ere we call that a GPU socket (ground Power unit).
I fussed over where to set my Piper style (stolen from the files
of Bob Nuckolls - using toilet seat hinge bolts etc) but wanted to be sure
the 'ground grunt' didn't step into the the prop after startup to yorque the
cable and plug out. The main consideration is having either the socket area
in sight or reachable for reasons of safety. It should be close to the
battery and other heavy cable units for weight reasons and I was going to
put it behind the wingflap root.
However, [1] I decided to have a forward battery at firewall
site (with mebbe a second back behind if needed) and [2] to make it
available to me, so decided to put it just under the instrument panel port
end. So it sits close to the NACA cabin air inlet (just below actually) and
I can reach it with the door half-cocked, while the ground power unit -
battery cart - whatever - sits behind the port wingroot, cable over the
wingwalk.
That way, I see where the GPU erk is, can cut the engine if
someone approaches the live prop, and release the plug and cable rearward so
he can haul in and secure.
Hope that's of use,
Ferg A064
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| Subject: | Re: External Power Connection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Thinking of doing a connection also. My battery is in back, so some
were very close to the battery should be good for me.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewtopic.php?p=99#99
Has a PDF from AeroElectric on the wiring......
SteveD. A217
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| Subject: | Re: External Power Connection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hi Troy,
Safety first then what ever, Having it behind my seat gives me
control without having anyone forward of the wings exposed to the
propeller. Plus, when its disconnected, I close the door and motor away.
Jim Nelson
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:59:39 -0400 "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor"
> <wingnut54@charter.net>
>
> Hi All,
> I want to put in an external power connection (piper style) that I
> found at
> S n F. Reason being, If I ever get caught out somewhere and
> temporarily run
> down the battery for a poor starting technique or some other reason,
> it will
> be a little tricky to get the cowling back on after start. ;) For
> those of
> you that have installed a ground power plug, where is the ideal
> place to
> locate it? I was thinking about stealing one fine gentleman's idea
> that
> lives in Tampa, but hate to run that much copper from the RH
> footwell to
> behind the pilots seat. It may be the only safe place though. Any
> thoughts
> and suggestions.
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
>
>
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: long ranger fuel tank |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Just a fly-in and French food for lunch.
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: long ranger fuel tank
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Is there anything happening at Le Touquet next Saturday to make such a
trip
> otherwise worthwhile?
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: long ranger fuel tank
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by:
> >
> > Hello all,
> > I would like to make sure the long range tank fits into my plane before
> purchasing one from Europa.
> > Is there any one flying to Le Touquet next Saturday (April 24) with a
long
> range tank I could borrow for a few minutes ?
> > R=E9mi Guerner
> > F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel
> > Purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix. Now 240 hours.
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> >
> > I would like to make sure the long range tank fits into my plane before
> purchasing one from Europa.
> >
> >
> > Is there any one flying to Le Touquet next Saturday (April 24) with a
long
> range tank I could borrow for a few minutes?
> >
> >
> > R=E9mi Guerner
> >
> >
> > F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel
> >
> >
> > Purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix. Now 240 hours.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | External Power Connection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
I have installed the Piper style connection in the back (where my battery
is), behind a flush access panel. Photos and description will be sent by
e-mail to those contacting me off-forum at sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no
Svein K. Johnsen
A225 Trigear - now in Norway
Top bonded on two days ago - now only the rest to finish!
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]P vegne av Troy Maynor
Sendt: 23. april 2004 03:00
Til: europa-list@matronics.com
Emne: Europa-List: External Power Connection
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Hi All,
I want to put in an external power connection (piper style) that I found at
S n F. Reason being, If I ever get caught out somewhere and temporarily run
down the battery for a poor starting technique or some other reason, it will
be a little tricky to get the cowling back on after start. ;) For those of
you that have installed a ground power plug, where is the ideal place to
locate it? I was thinking about stealing one fine gentleman's idea that
lives in Tampa, but hate to run that much copper from the RH footwell to
behind the pilots seat. It may be the only safe place though. Any thoughts
and suggestions.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
It looks as though the blue sky will give way to the 1500 cloud base not too far
W of Caernarfon this afternoon, but I shall go for it. David
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| Subject: | Driving Truck across country |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
DD HIN
Joe Proctor
A272 Europa Mono, Motor-Glider
Wheel Chock Completed, Seven Years to go
pjoe2@qwest.net
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Driving Truck across country
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Hi All,
I'm picking a Kit up in SC on the 26th of April. If anyone needs to ship
anything to the west coast please let me know before Friday night. Thanks.
Joe Proctor
A272 Europa Mono, Motor-Glider
Wheel Chock Completed, Seven Years to go
pjoe2@qwest.net
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