Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:40 AM - Re: Sternpost fitting (Paul Stewart)
2. 01:33 AM - Re: FINGER BRAKE SEALS (ivor.phillips)
3. 05:25 AM - Tri Gear Nose gear Bungee replacement (RICHARD IDDON)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: FINGER BRAKE SEALS (KARL HEINDL)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: flash generator units ()
6. 08:26 AM - Re: flash generator units (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: FINGER BRAKE SEALS (ivor.phillips)
8. 12:00 PM - Re: flash generator units (Ami McFadyean)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: flash generator units ()
10. 01:20 PM - panel material (Paul Stewart)
11. 02:42 PM - Re: panel material (Rob Housman)
12. 06:13 PM - Re: panel material (Robert Berube)
13. 08:25 PM - Usable fuel (Paul McAllister)
14. 09:17 PM - Re: Usable fuel (Cliff Shaw)
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| Subject: | Re: Sternpost fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Mike
Certainhly had the problem with the port side impinging on the foam of
the fin such that the line of the fine would be greatly distorted with
the stern post in place. We removed the area of foam to allow the fin
skin to lie directly onto the stern post. We also reinforced the area of
fin with a couple of plies of but and the whole lot fitted very nicely.
Regards
Paul
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FINGER BRAKE SEALS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Researching a Girling Catalogue, for 3/4 inch seals suitable for DOT 3/4/5.1
automotive brake fluid, The ring seals are for ford escort front cylinders
and the cup seals are for Mazda rear cylinders, they meet the right spec for
Diameter/ depth and material (Ethylene-Proplene)
The SP 2044 ring seals need to have there centre slightly enlarged to fit
over the piston and maintain the correct seal to the bore, If you don't the
seals overall diameter will increase beyond 3/4 inch, and the piston will
stick in the bore and not return easily ( don't ask how i know this)
I have a some Buna-N (nitrile) O rings suitable for the MATCO Brake
calipers used on the tri-gear,can be used with Mil-h-5606 or Silicone DOT5
fluid or ATF
surplus to requirements so if you need any FOC give me a call
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
trial fit top and wings,Undercarriage fitted,playing with tie bar
----- Original Message -----
From: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> Ivor,
>
> Can you tell me where you found the ring and cup seals?
>
> Regards.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ivor.phillips
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
> <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi guys
> This might be of interest to a few of you, building tri-gears with the
> factory finger-brake mod 65.
>
>
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| Subject: | Tri Gear Nose gear Bungee replacement |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
My Nose Gear bungee had gone 'soft' again so I have decide to replace it
with the arrangement suggested by Kevin Pilcher in the latest Europa
Flyer. I am however having great difficulty persuading the loop of
bungee cord to stretch far enough to go from the nose gear, over the
central bar and back down again. A loop of 16 inches circumference just
doesn't seem long enough.
Anyone else tried this and if so, did you stick with Kevin's dimensions
or use a longer shock cord?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS (expecting a hernia shortly if I carry on trying!)
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| Subject: | Re: FINGER BRAKE SEALS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Ivor,
I am confused. Last week you said that seals SP2044 and SP3694 are compatible only
with Dot5. Now you imply that they are for automotive fluid, i.e. Dot3 etc..
Please confirm one way or the other, and where does ATF fit in ?
Karl
From: "ivor.phillips" ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
-- Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com
Researching a Girling Catalogue, for 3/4 inch seals suitable for DOT 3/4/5.1
automotive brake fluid, The ring seals are for ford escort front cylinders
and the cup seals are for Mazda rear cylinders, they meet the right spec for
Diameter/ depth and material (Ethylene-Proplene)
The SP 2044 ring seals need to have there centre slightly enlarged to fit
over the piston and maintain the correct seal to the bore, If you don't the
seals overall diameter will increase beyond 3/4 inch, and the piston will
stick in the bore and not return easily ( don't ask how i know this)
I have a someBuna-N (nitrile) O rings suitable for the MATCO Brake
calipers used on the tri-gear,can be used with Mil-h-5606 or Silicone DOT5
fluid or ATF
surplus to requirements so if you need any FOC give me a call
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
trial fit top and wings,Undercarriage fitted,playing with tie bar
----- Original Message -----
From: "RICHARD IDDON" riddon@btinternet.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
-- Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" riddon@btinternet.com
Ivor,
Can you tell me where you found the ring and cup seals?
Regards.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ivor.phillips
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
-- Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com
Hi guys
This might be of interest to a few of you, building tri-gears with the
factory finger-brake mod 65.
Have more fun with your phone - download ringtones, logos, screensavers, games
& more. Click here to begin!
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| Subject: | flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Brian
Try http://www.strobesnmore.com/
I think that is where I got my Whelen power supply. Works great. I am
using it with a fin top streamlined strobe and another in the trailing
edge of the rudder.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rocketman
Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
beecho@beecho.org wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
>Brian
>You can get the same Whelen made strobe electronics for about half the
>price that Whelen charges for their units made for airplanes. I think
I
>got mine from strobes.com. If you don't find them, I can look it up.
>
>Tom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 4/21/2004 2:22:58 PM Central Standard Time,
>n3eu@comcast.net writes:
>Why do you question it? If Aeroflash strobes met Part 23 requirements,
>they
>would surely say so. They don't.
>
>Regards,
>Fred F.
>Because Fred I tend to question everything a sales rep says to me...
>Perhaps
>it is because I am a sales Rep for a parts company. :) And yes I know
>that
>they are not part 23. Thought that was a given.
> Do you have any personal experiences with these units that you would
>like
>to share?
>
>Brian S
>A276 Tri Gear. Texas
>http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&
n
>ame=ga
>llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>
>
>==
>==
>==
>==
>
>
>
>
Tom,
Have you got a link for strobes.com? I typed it in and got the typical
"do you want to register this site" type reply. Thanks in advance.
--
Jeff - A055 - almost ready to bond the C/P module
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 4/26/2004 9:51:38 AM Central Standard Time,
beecho@beecho.org writes:
http://www.strobesnmore.com/
Thank you Tom
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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| Subject: | Re: FINGER BRAKE SEALS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Karl
DOT 5 Silicone brake fluid is combatable with both types of seals i.e.
Buna-N-(Nitrile) and Ethylene-Proplene,
DOT 3/4/5.1 (five point one) is glycol based and should only be used with
Ethylene- Proplene seals.
The Automotive seals SP2044 and SP3694 are made of Ethylene-Proplene , So
DOT3/4/5.1 (five point one) Or Silicone DOT 5 (five) is acceptable.
MATCO Brake caliper Seals are made of Buna-N-Nitrile and will use MIL-H5606
hydraulic fluid Or ATF automatic transmission fluid OR DOT5 (five)Silicone
fluid
Your choice is to CHANGE ALL YOUR SEALS TO Ethylene-Proplene and use Glycol
based DOT 3/4/5.1(five point one) THE PREFERRED OPTION IMHO, THAT'S WHAT I
HAVE DONE USING GLYCOL DOT 5.1 (FIVE POINT ONE) Or use Silicone DOT
5(FIVE)
OR CHANGE ALL YOUR SEALS TO Buna-N(Nitrile) which will use MIL-H5606 or ATF
automatic transmission fluid or Silicone DOT 5 (five)
HAVE A MIXTURE OF BOTH TYPES OF SEALS IN THE ONE SYSTEM MEANS YOU MUST USE
SILICONE DOT 5 (FIVE)
I hope that clears the misunderstanding
regards
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
trial fit top and wings,Undercarriage fitted,playing with tie bar
----- Original Message -----
From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
>
> Ivor,
>
>
> I am confused. Last week you said that seals SP2044 and SP3694 are
compatible only with Dot5. Now you imply that they are for automotive fluid,
i.e. Dot3 etc.. Please confirm one way or the other, and where does ATF fit
in ?
>
>
> Karl
>
>
> From: "ivor.phillips" ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:33:34 +0100
>
> -- Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com
>
> Researching a Girling Catalogue, for 3/4 inch seals suitable for DOT
3/4/5.1
> automotive brake fluid, The ring seals are for ford escort front cylinders
> and the cup seals are for Mazda rear cylinders, they meet the right spec
for
> Diameter/ depth and material (Ethylene-Proplene)
> The SP 2044 ring seals need to have there centre slightly enlarged to fit
> over the piston and maintain the correct seal to the bore, If you don't
the
> seals overall diameter will increase beyond 3/4 inch, and the piston will
> stick in the bore and not return easily ( don't ask how i know this)
> I have a someBuna-N (nitrile) O rings suitable for the MATCO Brake
> calipers used on the tri-gear,can be used with Mil-h-5606 or Silicone DOT5
> fluid or ATF
> surplus to requirements so if you need any FOC give me a call
> Ivor Phillips
> XS486 London UK
> CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
> trial fit top and wings,Undercarriage fitted,playing with tie bar
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RICHARD IDDON" riddon@btinternet.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
>
>
> -- Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" riddon@btinternet.com
>
> Ivor,
>
> Can you tell me where you found the ring and cup seals?
>
> Regards.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ivor.phillips
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: FINGER BRAKE SEALS
>
> -- Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
> ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com
>
> Hi guys
> This might be of interest to a few of you, building tri-gears with the
> factory finger-brake mod 65.
>
>
> Have more fun with your phone - download ringtones, logos, screensavers,
games & more. Click here to begin!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Where did you get the streamlined fin-top strobe that you refer to?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: <beecho@beecho.org>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: flash generator units
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
> Brian
> Try http://www.strobesnmore.com/
>
> I think that is where I got my Whelen power supply. Works great. I am
> using it with a fin top streamlined strobe and another in the trailing
> edge of the rudder.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rocketman
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> beecho@beecho.org wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
> >
> >Brian
> >You can get the same Whelen made strobe electronics for about half the
> >price that Whelen charges for their units made for airplanes. I think
> I
> >got mine from strobes.com. If you don't find them, I can look it up.
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >EuropaXSA276@aol.com
> >To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 4/21/2004 2:22:58 PM Central Standard Time,
> >n3eu@comcast.net writes:
> >Why do you question it? If Aeroflash strobes met Part 23 requirements,
> >they
> >would surely say so. They don't.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Fred F.
> >Because Fred I tend to question everything a sales rep says to me...
> >Perhaps
> >it is because I am a sales Rep for a parts company. :) And yes I know
> >that
> >they are not part 23. Thought that was a given.
> > Do you have any personal experiences with these units that you would
> >like
> >to share?
> >
> >Brian S
> >A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> >http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&
> n
> >ame=ga
> >llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
> >
> >
> >==
> >==
> >==
> >==
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tom,
>
> Have you got a link for strobes.com? I typed it in and got the typical
> "do you want to register this site" type reply. Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Jeff - A055 - almost ready to bond the C/P module
> Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
From AC Spruce. It was a little over $100 USD.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ami
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Where did you get the streamlined fin-top strobe that you refer to?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: <beecho@beecho.org>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: flash generator units
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
> Brian
> Try http://www.strobesnmore.com/
>
> I think that is where I got my Whelen power supply. Works great. I
am
> using it with a fin top streamlined strobe and another in the trailing
> edge of the rudder.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rocketman
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> beecho@beecho.org wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
> >
> >Brian
> >You can get the same Whelen made strobe electronics for about half
the
> >price that Whelen charges for their units made for airplanes. I
think
> I
> >got mine from strobes.com. If you don't find them, I can look it up.
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >EuropaXSA276@aol.com
> >To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 4/21/2004 2:22:58 PM Central Standard Time,
> >n3eu@comcast.net writes:
> >Why do you question it? If Aeroflash strobes met Part 23
requirements,
> >they
> >would surely say so. They don't.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Fred F.
> >Because Fred I tend to question everything a sales rep says to me...
> >Perhaps
> >it is because I am a sales Rep for a parts company. :) And yes I
know
> >that
> >they are not part 23. Thought that was a given.
> > Do you have any personal experiences with these units that you
would
> >like
> >to share?
> >
> >Brian S
> >A276 Tri Gear. Texas
>
>http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&
> n
> >ame=ga
> >llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
> >
> >
> >==
> >==
> >==
> >==
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tom,
>
> Have you got a link for strobes.com? I typed it in and got the
typical
> "do you want to register this site" type reply. Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Jeff - A055 - almost ready to bond the C/P module
> Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
==
==
==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone who has made aluminium sub panels tell me what material they
have used - thickness, type of alloy etc. Going to get them laser cut
rather than the factory versions as the instrument module has been
altered to accommodate the BMA EFIS 1.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Since there is no possibility of hanging so much weight on the panel to
allow it to deform, and all aluminum alloys have essentially the same
modulus of elasticity, select any conveniently available 1/8 inch / 3 mm
thick sheet stock, but you must also consider what type of finish you intend
to use. For painted or powder coating, any alloy will do, but if you intend
to anodize the panel then I recommend that you determine (I can't help you
on this part) whether the heat affected zone at the laser cut edge will
respond to anodizing in exactly the same manner as the rest of the sheet. I
would expect that the folks doing the laser cutting will be able to
recommend a suitable alloy.
The commonly available alloys in sheet form are 2024, 3003, 5052, 6061 (the
alloy I have chosen), and 7075. Although 2024 and 7075 are used extensively
for structural shapes in aircraft, these higher strength alloys are
over-kill (and over-priced) for the panel.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Subject: Europa-List: panel material
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone who has made aluminium sub panels tell me what material they
have used - thickness, type of alloy etc. Going to get them laser cut
rather than the factory versions as the instrument module has been
altered to accommodate the BMA EFIS 1.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Paul,
All the panels we make and have made by Aerotronics, Gulf Coast Avionics,
Etc. are made with .063 Aluminum, 2024 or 6061 generally. Other alloys can
certainly be used.
Bob
Flight Crafters
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Subject: Europa-List: panel material
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone who has made aluminium sub panels tell me what material they
have used - thickness, type of alloy etc. Going to get them laser cut
rather than the factory versions as the instrument module has been
altered to accommodate the BMA EFIS 1.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone has done this measurement. I came up with 17.8 US gallons
in my XS Mono wheel, does that seem about right ?
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Paul
That is what I came up with last week. Thanks for confirming my
measurements. (US gallons)
Cliff Shaw
Edmonds, WA 98020
N229WC "Wile E. Coyote"
Flying ever day I can to get my test time flown off. Betty wants a hide !
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