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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Sternpost fitting (Brian Davies)
2. 07:44 AM - Subject: trailer/transport (Jim Butcher)
3. 09:41 AM - Re: Subject: trailer/transport (tom@tompaul.com)
4. 09:53 AM - Re: panel material (Jeff Roberts)
5. 10:33 AM - Re: panel material (Rob Housman)
6. 12:11 PM - Rotax 914 exhaust bracket (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
7. 12:25 PM - Re: panel material (Jeff Roberts)
8. 01:13 PM - Re: panel material (Rob Housman)
9. 01:25 PM - Re: Sternpost fitting (Mike)
10. 02:29 PM - Foreign travel (James Naylor)
11. 02:56 PM - Re: Foreign travel (William Mills)
12. 03:20 PM - Re: panel material (KARL HEINDL)
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| Subject: | Re: Sternpost fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Mike,
I dont know if it is relevant to your situation but have you read the Europa
Aircraft News Tech Talk Issue No 25 page 9? It specifically mentions the
need to cut back the port side of the stern post.
I also had some problem getting the ribs fully in. I ended up positioning
them at a slightly different angle and slightly lower - not much, but it
enabled them to go further in.
Brian Davies kit 454 Mono XS
Top bonded on, Rudder fitted.
Currently modifying the doors to move the gas strut position (the Europa mod
kit is a very bad fit!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Sternpost fitting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
>
> Having initially set up my sternpost to align with the fuselage bottom, I
find that the fin needs about 1.5 ins of its trailing edge removed and that
the sternpost would butt against 1.5ins of foam reinforced port fin surface
whilst the stb side is clear of the foam.. On trial fitting the ribs I found
that they could be forced in to the fin only about 5, 15 and 23ins from the
joint line, i.e. 2ins less that indicated in the manual. My problem is
this - is the position of the sternpost fore and aft critical? If I accept
this position, will I find that the rudder is misplaced or the line of the
fin/rudder uneven?
> I am still doing all I can before topping out.
> Those that have passed this stage, please let me know how you faired.
> Thanks
> Mike
> XS440
>
>
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| Subject: | trailer/transport |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Tom,
You might check in automobile magazines for car transport. There are
businesses that will transport cars across country for a fee. I have no
idea how much. Look in Hemings motor news or Competition Press.
I've designed and am having fabricated a fully enclosed trailer that will
house a monowheel with both sets of wings. Drawings will be available after
mine is done and debugged. Cost of materials and labor is about $4000.
Jim & Heather A185
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| Subject: | Re: trailer/transport |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
Hi Jim,
The trailer you are building sounds good. Does triton.net (your email)
have anything to do with triton trailers.
When will the construction of your trailer be happening? I am trying
to find an efficient way to spend money on transport and a trailer, as
i am not your typical builder in that i don't have a lot of money for a
luxury like an airplane. 4k sounds great. I promised the seller i
would have it out of his garage by the end of May, so i would consider
putting the kit in storage out in CA until a trailer was ready for the
cross-country trip.
Please let me know the time-frame on the construction of your trailer.
Maybe if we have the fabricator make 2 it would be easier than one at a
time.
Thanks very much for writing.
Tom
On Apr 27, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Jim Butcher wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> Tom,
>
> You might check in automobile magazines for car transport. There are
> businesses that will transport cars across country for a fee. I have
> no
> idea how much. Look in Hemings motor news or Competition Press.
>
> I've designed and am having fabricated a fully enclosed trailer that
> will
> house a monowheel with both sets of wings. Drawings will be available
> after
> mine is done and debugged. Cost of materials and labor is about $4000.
>
> Jim & Heather A185
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: panel material |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 4/26/04 8:12 PM, Robert Berube at bberube@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Quick question on this topic. Since the original panel was designed using
fiberglass why not lay up some ply's to make the bolt on panel out of it.
Seams as though it would be easier for a homebuilder to work with. If so how
many layers are enough for strength for say the usual 6 pack?
Jeff
A258
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Paul,
> All the panels we make and have made by Aerotronics, Gulf Coast Avionics,
> Etc. are made with .063 Aluminum, 2024 or 6061 generally. Other alloys can
> certainly be used.
>
> Bob
> Flight Crafters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: panel material
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Can anyone who has made aluminium sub panels tell me what material they
> have used - thickness, type of alloy etc. Going to get them laser cut
> rather than the factory versions as the instrument module has been
> altered to accommodate the BMA EFIS 1.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> G-GIDY
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Actually the flat faces on the panel are NOT just epoxy-glass - the strength
comes from a piece of 1/8 inch / 3 mm plywood sandwiched between the glass
layers.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
Subject: Re: Europa-List: panel material
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 4/26/04 8:12 PM, Robert Berube at bberube@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Quick question on this topic. Since the original panel was designed using
fiberglass why not lay up some ply's to make the bolt on panel out of it.
Seams as though it would be easier for a homebuilder to work with. If so how
many layers are enough for strength for say the usual 6 pack?
Jeff
A258
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Paul,
> All the panels we make and have made by Aerotronics, Gulf Coast Avionics,
> Etc. are made with .063 Aluminum, 2024 or 6061 generally. Other alloys
can
> certainly be used.
>
> Bob
> Flight Crafters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: panel material
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Can anyone who has made aluminium sub panels tell me what material they
> have used - thickness, type of alloy etc. Going to get them laser cut
> rather than the factory versions as the instrument module has been
> altered to accommodate the BMA EFIS 1.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> G-GIDY
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 914 exhaust bracket |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
Hello all,
For the second time I found one of the turbo brackets broken. The bracket I am
talking about is a stainless steel welded tubular part which is bolted to the
crankcase on one side and on the exhaust manifold on the other.
This part is very difficult to remove and replace and is very expensive : 192 Euros
($240) last September.
The fist breakage was after 207 hours ( In fact it was certainly broken before).
Second time was 38 hours later.
Has anybody experienced this problem ?
R=E9mi
F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix. Now 245
hours.
Hello all,
For the second time I found one of the turbo brackets broken. The bracket I am
talking about is a stainless steel welded tubular part which is bolted to the
crankcase on one side and on the exhaust manifold on the other.
This part is very difficult to remove and replace and is very expensive: 192 Euros
($240) last September.
The fist breakage was after 207 hours ( In fact it was certainly broken before).
Second time was 38 hours later.
Has anybody experienced this problem?
R=E9mi
F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix. Now 245
hours.
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| Subject: | Re: panel material |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
So would that mean 3MM aluminum is stonger and that 4 or 5 layers of flat
glass bid would not work for this aplication?
Jeff
>
> Actually the flat faces on the panel are NOT just epoxy-glass - the strength
> comes from a piece of 1/8 inch / 3 mm plywood sandwiched between the glass
> layers.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: panel material
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> on 4/26/04 8:12 PM, Robert Berube at bberube@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
>
> Quick question on this topic. Since the original panel was designed using
> fiberglass why not lay up some ply's to make the bolt on panel out of it.
> Seams as though it would be easier for a homebuilder to work with. If so how
> many layers are enough for strength for say the usual 6 pack?
>
> Jeff
> A258
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> Paul,
>> All the panels we make and have made by Aerotronics, Gulf Coast Avionics,
>> Etc. are made with .063 Aluminum, 2024 or 6061 generally. Other alloys
> can
>> certainly be used.
>>
>> Bob
>> Flight Crafters
>>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.com>
Well . . . I think that the factory got it right by reinforcing the panel
with plywood (if it were not needed I doubt that they would have done it),
but functionally 3mm aluminum (or even 1.5mm per Flight Crafters) sheet
would be equivalent. My concern with a flat panel of un-reinforced
epoxy-glass is that it would not be sufficiently rigid at 4 or 5 layers.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
Subject: Re: Europa-List: panel material
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
So would that mean 3MM aluminum is stonger and that 4 or 5 layers of flat
glass bid would not work for this aplication?
Jeff
>
> Actually the flat faces on the panel are NOT just epoxy-glass - the
strength
> comes from a piece of 1/8 inch / 3 mm plywood sandwiched between the glass
> layers.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: panel material
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> on 4/26/04 8:12 PM, Robert Berube at bberube@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
>
> Quick question on this topic. Since the original panel was designed using
> fiberglass why not lay up some ply's to make the bolt on panel out of it.
> Seams as though it would be easier for a homebuilder to work with. If so
how
> many layers are enough for strength for say the usual 6 pack?
>
> Jeff
> A258
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> Paul,
>> All the panels we make and have made by Aerotronics, Gulf Coast Avionics,
>> Etc. are made with .063 Aluminum, 2024 or 6061 generally. Other alloys
> can
>> certainly be used.
>>
>> Bob
>> Flight Crafters
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sternpost fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Thanks Brian,
I have seen the article in Tech Talk 25 but I find that I would have to
remove over 1 inch of sternpost to reach the foam reinforced part of the fin
on the port side. Some will need removing to allow port rudder movement but
I thought this may be a little excessive and putting material back would be
an extra problem. I would love to just forge ahead following the manual but
I have already been caught out too many times and I now spend far too much
time thinking 'what if' before I act so I can hopefully avoid having to redo
or correct things later. I am waiting to hear from Nev and Andy re the above
and will let the forum know the result.
Mike Gamble
xs440
> > Having initially set up my sternpost to align with the fuselage bottom,
I
> find that the fin needs about 1.5 ins of its trailing edge removed and
that
> the sternpost would butt against 1.5ins of foam reinforced port fin
surface
> whilst the stb side is clear of the foam.. On trial fitting the ribs I
found
> that they could be forced in to the fin only about 5, 15 and 23ins from
the
> joint line, i.e. 2ins less that indicated in the manual. My problem is
> this - is the position of the sternpost fore and aft critical? If I accept
> this position, will I find that the rudder is misplaced or the line of the
> fin/rudder uneven?
> > I am still doing all I can before topping out.
> > Those that have passed this stage, please let me know how you faired.
> > Thanks
> > Mike
> > XS440
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "James Naylor" <jimnaylor.44@virgin.net>
Hi all,
A question for the regular Continental tourists.
Does anyone have contact details for requesting permission to fly a permit
aeroplane into Italy.
Jim Naylor
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| Subject: | Re: Foreign travel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Jim,
David Joyce has the details, but they don't seem to reply!
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Naylor" <jimnaylor.44@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Foreign travel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "James Naylor"
<jimnaylor.44@virgin.net>
>
> Hi all,
> A question for the regular Continental tourists.
> Does anyone have contact details for requesting permission to fly a permit
> aeroplane into Italy.
>
> Jim Naylor
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
I used 1/8th inch (3mm) phenolic sheet material and have had no problems. It is
very strong and easy to work with.
Karl
From: "Rob Housman" robh@hyperion-ef.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: panel material
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" robh@hyperion-ef.com
Well . . .I think that the factory got it right by reinforcing the panel
with plywood (if it were not needed I doubt that they would have done it),
but functionally 3mm aluminum (or even 1.5mm per Flight Crafters) sheet
would be equivalent.My concern with a flat panel of un-reinforced
epoxy-glass is that it would not be sufficiently rigid at 4 or 5 layers.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
Subject: Re: Europa-List: panel material
-- Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts jeff@rmmm.net
So would that mean 3MM aluminum is stonger and that 4 or 5 layers of flat
glass bid would not work for this aplication?
Jeff
Actually the flat faces on the panel are NOT just epoxy-glass - the
strength
comes from a piece of 1/8 inch / 3 mm plywood sandwiched between the glass
layers.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: panel material
-- Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts jeff@rmmm.net
on 4/26/04 8:12 PM, Robert Berube at bberube@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Quick question on this topic. Since the original panel was designed using
fiberglass why not lay up some ply's to make the bolt on panel out of it.
Seams as though it would be easier for a homebuilder to work with. If so
how
many layers are enough for strength for say the usual 6 pack?
Jeff
A258
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
bberube@tampabay.rr.com
Paul,
All the panels we make and have made by Aerotronics, Gulf Coast Avionics,
Etc. are made with .063 Aluminum, 2024 or 6061 generally.Other alloys
can
certainly be used.
Bob
Flight Crafters
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