Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 02:36 AM - Re: Foreign travel (David Joyce)
2. 07:10 AM - Neville: Can stuff nuts be reused? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
3. 07:37 AM - Re: Composite panels (Jeff Roberts)
4. 07:47 AM - Re: Neville: Can stuff nuts be reused? (John & Amy Eckel)
5. 07:53 AM - Tail plane counterweight cables (John & Amy Eckel)
6. 07:57 AM - Fire wall forward (John & Amy Eckel)
7. 08:18 AM - Re: Neville: Can stuff nuts be reused? (n3eu@comcast.net)
8. 08:21 AM - Re: Tail plane counterweight cables (Cliff Shaw)
9. 09:18 AM - Texas Builders? (Dan Bish)
10. 09:29 AM - Re: Tail plane counterweight cables (John & Amy Eckel)
11. 11:57 AM - Re: Foreign travel (bryan allsop)
12. 01:06 PM - Re: Sternpost fitting (Mike)
13. 01:16 PM - fuel line fixing (Mike)
14. 02:20 PM - re panel material (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
15. 03:00 PM - Re: Rotax 914 exhaust bracket (Europa Aircraft)
16. 03:29 PM - Re: re panel material (Ami McFadyean)
17. 04:58 PM - Re: fuel line fixing (n3eu@comcast.net)
18. 05:04 PM - Re: panel material (n3eu@comcast.net)
19. 06:50 PM - Re: Tail plane counterweight cables (Cliff Shaw)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Foreign travel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
James, On 22 March I sent a general question on need for prior permission to
the address in the March2000 Popular Flying article on European travel by
PFA aircraft :
Ente Nazionale per l'Aviazione Civile,
Struttura DGAC,Ufficio34,
P.le Degli Archivi, n. 41
00144 Roma, Italy
4 weeks later I had an email reply from Maria Casciani,
<m.casciani@enac.rupa.it > saying: "Concerning your Italy overflight and
landing application for your UK A/C, you are kindly invited to send copy of
airworthiness certificate including operational specification and programme
of landings in Italy, for examination purpose. For your information our fax
is 06/44596551 ENAC SCA"
On 20 April I emailed back scanned copies of my documents and said
that I had rather hoped that like France, Germany and many other countries
they had accepted the 1980 ENAC agreement and would say that we needed no
special prior agreement. I also said that another five Europas with
identical types of document would be travelling with me . I have had no
reply.
I guess your best bet is either to go and if challenged express
ignorance, or say the you are one of the five referred to in my reply or
alternatively to fax Maria on the number she quoted.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: James Naylor <jimnaylor.44@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Foreign travel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "James Naylor"
<jimnaylor.44@virgin.net>
>
> Hi all,
> A question for the regular Continental tourists.
> Does anyone have contact details for requesting permission to fly a permit
> aeroplane into Italy.
>
> Jim Naylor
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Have you tried the new drug sample request service on Doctors.net.uk?
> http://www.doctors.net.uk/samples
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Neville: Can stuff nuts be reused? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hello Neville!
Question about the stiff nuts supplied with the kit. Can stuff nuts be
reused? As you know many items must be assembled and dismantled while making
adjustments. Will the integrity of the locking nut withstand a few removals?
Thanks!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Composite panels |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 4/28/04 1:57 AM, Tony Renshaw at tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Thanks Tony. Ordering aluminum today. Don't want a thick heavy panel.
Jeff
Do not archive.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Jeff and Co,
> I made a fibreglass skateboard top as a 15 year old with numerous layers of
> glass. I think it might have topped a dozen, no, probably more, but when I
> stood on it, it became a banana. Same basic concept, composites derive most
> of their strength with 2 skins spaced apart about an inert core medium that
> allows the specific properties of compression and tension to oppose each
> other under load. Use half the glass, a bit of ply and "Bobs your uncle",
> OR, forget the composite and go for aluminium. Basically, forget glass on
> its own.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> At 04:15 AM 4/28/2004, you wrote:
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>>
>>
>> So would that mean 3MM aluminum is stonger and that 4 or 5 layers of flat
>> glass bid would not work for this aplication?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>>
>>> Actually the flat faces on the panel are NOT just epoxy-glass - the
>> strength
>>> comes from a piece of 1/8 inch / 3 mm plywood sandwiched between the glass
>>> layers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rob Housman
>>> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
>>> Airframe complete
>>> Irvine, CA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: panel material
>>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>>>
>>> on 4/26/04 8:12 PM, Robert Berube at bberube@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Quick question on this topic. Since the original panel was designed using
>>> fiberglass why not lay up some ply's to make the bolt on panel out of it.
>>> Seams as though it would be easier for a homebuilder to work with. If
>> so how
>>> many layers are enough for strength for say the usual 6 pack?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> A258
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
>>> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>> All the panels we make and have made by Aerotronics, Gulf Coast Avionics,
>>>> Etc. are made with .063 Aluminum, 2024 or 6061 generally. Other alloys
>>> can
>>>> certainly be used.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>> Flight Crafters
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Neville: Can stuff nuts be reused? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Brian,
I bought nuts at the hardware store for the trial and error fitting
and use the stiff nuts for what I hope is the final assembly. To
prevent errors you can paint the cheapo nuts red.
John, A230, NJ
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Neville: Can stuff nuts be reused?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Hello Neville!
> Question about the stiff nuts supplied with the kit. Can stuff nuts be
> reused? As you know many items must be assembled and dismantled while
making
> adjustments. Will the integrity of the locking nut withstand a few
removals?
> Thanks!
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
>
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&namega
> llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>
>
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Tail plane counterweight cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Hello.
Has anyone used an alternative to the cables that
have to be swaged on the tail plane counter balance?
I am thinking that using turnbuckles to provide tension
would make an easier installation.
John, A230
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Fire wall forward |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Hello,
How much time has it taken from the time the fire wall forward
kit (including engine) was ordered to delivery? This would be for USA delivery.
Thanks,
John, A230
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Neville: Can stuff nuts be reused? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> Question about the stiff nuts supplied with the kit. Can stuff nuts be
> reused? As you know many items must be assembled and dismantled while making
> adjustments. Will the integrity of the locking nut withstand a few removals?
> Thanks!
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
FAA says only that fiber or nylon insert types should not be reused, if the
specifed friction torque per their published table (7-2, AC 43.13b) is not
met. If we took a poll among mechanics, I suspect they generally and freely
reuse even these in noncritical applications, else just replace. Note that
the table goes no smaller than 7/16, and for which test we will be charged at
$50-60/hour. Silly gubment advice... :-)
Fred F.
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tail plane counterweight cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
I had Aircraft Spruce make my cable with swedged fitting. I included
turnbuckles. I located them behind the baggage bulkhead. The last cable had
to be nico pressed because I was not sure of my measurements. It all worked
very well.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Tail plane counterweight cables
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
>
> Hello.
> Has anyone used an alternative to the cables that
> have to be swaged on the tail plane counter balance?
> I am thinking that using turnbuckles to provide tension
> would make an easier installation.
>
> John, A230
>
>
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Hi,
Going to be making a trip to see the out-laws later this week and wondered if there
are any builders in the Tyler Texas area that might want to share building
experiences. Will be in town May 1 thru 3 so if you want to talk Europas, email
me at danbish@norwalktucson.com.
Dan
A144
Tucson, AZ
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tail plane counterweight cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Cliff,
Either I am missing something or we are not talking about the
same cables. The ones I am talking about are on page 20-1,
Issue 1 of the manual.
Looking forward to meeting you in OSH. Are your bringing your plane?
John
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail plane counterweight cables
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> I had Aircraft Spruce make my cable with swedged fitting. I included
> turnbuckles. I located them behind the baggage bulkhead. The last cable
had
> to be nico pressed because I was not sure of my measurements. It all
worked
> very well.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
> To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Tail plane counterweight cables
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel"
<eckel1@comcast.net>
> >
> > Hello.
> > Has anyone used an alternative to the cables that
> > have to be swaged on the tail plane counter balance?
> > I am thinking that using turnbuckles to provide tension
> > would make an easier installation.
> >
> > John, A230
> >
> >
>
>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Foreign travel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
The Italians did not reply last time we went there, but dont worry they will
still have plenty of ink and rubber stamps.
Have a good trip......... Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Foreign travel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Jim,
> David Joyce has the details, but they don't seem to reply!
> William
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Naylor" <jimnaylor.44@virgin.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Foreign travel
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "James Naylor"
> <jimnaylor.44@virgin.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> > A question for the regular Continental tourists.
> > Does anyone have contact details for requesting permission to fly a
permit
> > aeroplane into Italy.
> >
> > Jim Naylor
> >
> >
>
>
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Sternpost fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Spoke with Andy this morning.
Apparently it is pretty normal for the ribs to fit up to 2 inches lower than
shown in the manual.
Just align the sternpost with the lower fuselage T/E and follow its line up
the fin.
Cut the stb side off the fin to align with the sernpost.
Cut the post port side off level with the foam insert of the fin or (as I
plan) leave this until you need to to get the required rudder movement.
Mike Gamble
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | fuel line fixing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Found some marvellous fixings for the fuel tubing yesterday at B&Q's( i.e. Home
Depot) - twin plastic 12mm pipe clamps with a central securing screw hole.
I roughened them up and reduxed them to the floor of the tunnel but they could
be bolted in.
They should make secure holders and enable easy removal of the tubing when needed.(68p
for 10)
Mike Gamble
XS440
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | re panel material |
04/28/2004 05:19:54 PM,
Serialize complete at 04/28/2004 05:19:54 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Nota Bene:
Keep in mind that the BMA EFIS\1 weighs less and has a
much smaller bending moment than a standard sixpack
I cut my panels from 80 thou 6061T6 (because it was in stock and on hand)
It is stiffer than necessary and the weight difference to 63 thou was
minor.
Ira N224XS
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Rotax 914 exhaust bracket |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Our Rotax distributor tells me that it is important to shim this bracket so
there are not any loads on it after install, even though the factory does
not. Washers may need to be added where it attaches to the crank case.
Hope this helps!!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 exhaust bracket
--> Europa-List message posted by:
Hello all,
For the second time I found one of the turbo brackets broken. The bracket I
am talking about is a stainless steel welded tubular part which is bolted to
the crankcase on one side and on the exhaust manifold on the other.
This part is very difficult to remove and replace and is very expensive :
192 Euros ($240) last September.
The fist breakage was after 207 hours ( In fact it was certainly broken
before). Second time was 38 hours later.
Has anybody experienced this problem ?
R=E9mi
F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix.
Now 245 hours.
Hello all,
For the second time I found one of the turbo brackets broken. The bracket I
am talking about is a stainless steel welded tubular part which is bolted to
the crankcase on one side and on the exhaust manifold on the other.
This part is very difficult to remove and replace and is very expensive: 192
Euros ($240) last September.
The fist breakage was after 207 hours ( In fact it was certainly broken
before). Second time was 38 hours later.
Has anybody experienced this problem?
R=E9mi
F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix.
Now 245 hours.
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: re panel material |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Also keep in mind that when the instruments are bolted in they provide a
marked stiffening of hte panel.
I've found 1/16" light alloy to be thick enough for panels. 3mm weighs twice
as much and takes ages to cut!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Europa-List: re panel material
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Nota Bene:
> Keep in mind that the BMA EFIS\1 weighs less and has a
> much smaller bending moment than a standard sixpack
> I cut my panels from 80 thou 6061T6 (because it was in stock and on hand)
> It is stiffer than necessary and the weight difference to 63 thou was
> minor.
>
> Ira N224XS
>
>
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: fuel line fixing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Mike wrote:
> Found some marvellous fixings for the fuel tubing yesterday at B&Q's
> i.e. Home Depot) - twin plastic 12mm pipe clamps with a central
> securing screw hole. I roughened them up and reduxed them to the
> floor of the tunnel but they could be bolted in.
They may have to bolted, if they don't pass a "yank" test after a couple
weeks cure. Always has seemed to me that it's an odd plastic which will
permanently stick to epoxy. Alternatively, the adhesive foam-backed version
of these type clamps can be affixed by first plopping down a little puddle of
wettish flox, covered by a piece of stiff, clear plastic like the stuff used
for retail packaging. After cure, there remains a flat, glossy
surface, and the adhesive foam will definitely adhere.
Regards,
Fred F.
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: panel material |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Rob Housman wrote:
> ...My concern with a flat panel of un-reinforced epoxy-glass
> is that it would not be sufficiently rigid at 4 or 5 layers.
I agree, but carbon fiber cloth will be very stiff. I did it that way
to make backing plates to affix my non-Europa main wheel fairings. At .080"
thickness, more than up to that rugged duty. And using epoxy ain't in the
bible either, as I've noted polyester resins are typically harder than the
laminating resin we use. No overnight cure needed either.
Note also, that material thicker than .100" can "recess" many instruments,
and for some that may look visually odd, even with chamfering the edges.
That I've found to be a fault with the stock, Europa wood-sandwich panel.
Regards,
Fred F.
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tail plane counterweight cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
John
Rudder cables. Look at this link to a picture of the front end of one cable
I bought form AS.
http://www.msnusers.com/CliffsWileECoyoteEuropa/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=881
AND: YES , I will be flying "Wile E. Coyote" to Oshkosh this summer along
with maybe 20 other Europa flyers. I got two hours of test flying done
today. I am very happy with the new "three wheels" under me. I should have
done it that way the first time. (It would have been a lot easier)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
PS: for you guys in the other part of the Europa world, Seattle to Oshkosh
is about the same as Edinburgh to Rome. and Oshkosh is West of Chicago.
----- Original Message -----
> Cliff,
> Either I am missing something or we are not talking about the
>> Looking forward to meeting you in OSH. Are your bringing your plane?
>
> John
> do not archive
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|