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1. 02:17 AM - Re: Foreign travel (James Naylor)
2. 05:19 AM - to build or not to build (KARL HEINDL)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: Mode "c" info required (Tim Houlihan)
4. 08:18 AM - Re: Tail plane counterweight cables (Fergus Kyle)
5. 09:00 AM - Aerobatics (Fergus Kyle)
6. 09:04 AM - (Fergus Kyle)
7. 09:34 AM - Re: Aerobatics (KARL HEINDL)
8. 09:53 AM - Re: Aerobatics (Peter Zutrauen)
9. 10:25 AM - Re: Aerobatics (Terry Seaver)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: Aerobatics (Peter Zutrauen)
11. 10:38 AM - Re: to build or not to build (tom@tompaul.com)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Aerobatics (Terry Seaver)
13. 11:51 AM - Re: Aerobatics (KARL HEINDL)
14. 02:59 PM - Aerobatics in Aussie (Tony Renshaw)
15. 10:02 PM - Re: to build or not to build (Cliff Shaw)
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| Subject: | Re: Foreign travel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "James Naylor" <jimnaylor.44@virgin.net>
Thanks David, and all. I will send my details, then at least I can say I
tried!
Jim.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" > James, On 22 March I sent a general question on need
for prior permission to
> the address in the March2000 Popular Flying article on European travel by
> PFA aircraft :
> Ente Nazionale per l'Aviazione Civile,
> Struttura DGAC,Ufficio34,
> P.le Degli Archivi, n. 41
> 00144 Roma, Italy
> 4 weeks later I had an email reply from Maria Casciani,
>
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| Subject: | to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Tom,
You have two big minuses against you: 1) your girlfriend isn't really interested,
2) your workshop is too far from home. To be successful (i.e. finish a homebuilt)
your workshop needs to be right next to your house or in the house, some
people have built their Europa in an apartment. To keep the interest going you
need to spend some time in the workshop almost every day, even if you are not
building, you need to read the manual and do a lot of advance planning. Another
reason why the workshop should be as cozy as possible. I also agree regarding
the 914. You are a long way from the Rockies, and you should always weigh
upALL of the pros and cons: the most expensive is not always the best.
My advice: Use your build hours instead to make a lot of extra money in your career
and get someone else (Flightcrafters ?) to finish your kit. Not the ideal
solution, but in your case it guarantees completion and to a high standard in
a reasonable timeframe.
p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some pilots do the
standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when no-one is looking.
Karl
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| Subject: | Re: Mode "c" info required |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Houlihan" <Tim@houlihan.flyer.co.uk>
Many thanks for the replies and yes Duncan the replies were very fast.
I now think I have a good idea what to look for
Regards
Tim H
G-BZTH
----- Original Message -----
From: <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode "c" info required
> --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
>
> Tim Houlihan wrote:
>
> > I have a Terra AT3000 altitude encoder connected to a Garmin GTX 320
> > Transponder, during initial flight tests I found that only mode
> > A with no altitude information was being received .
> > ....
> > Can anyone advise me of a simple way to ground test
> > this setup off the aircraft?
>
> With xponder on, the and encoder turned on for at least the length of any
> warm-up period specified my encoder mfr, measure the voltage at each
encoder
> data line. These lines are "active low," meaning if all are high (5-10V)
> that's an invalid code which ATC will ignore. Tends to indicate the
> encoder is at fault, or not warmed up. If working and at any ground
altitude,
> some will be low - 0V. What the true code is generally not important if
you
> can inhale on the static line and change some lines every 100'. However,
one
> bad data line -- one supposed to be low but isn't -- can cause ATC to see
an
> invalid code and no apparent output. For that you need the grey code
chart.
>
> > I plan to produce a test lead with LED's on the data lines
> > to see if the encoder output code changes as pressure is reduced.
>
> I'd be leery of doing this myself. Narco's Mode C input lines are
"buffered,"
> so OK to fiddle with homebrew circuits, but on Kings, you're going
straight in
> to a humungously expensive, big IC chip. What Garmin does I'd want to
know
> before proceeding with my inserted circuitry. Note also on King and
Narco,
> the internal "pull-up" resistors on the data lines are 10K ohms, meaning
they
> won't light an LED!
>
> RST's kit with only LED's I presume is designed to be safe for all
xponders.
> But when I made one of these 25 yrs ago, I cautiously buffered the LED's
with
> transistors, which also made the LEDs light up to read active low. But I
> have not used it since, since it hasn't been necessary for diagnosis.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Regards,
> Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail plane counterweight cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Tail plane counterweight cables
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
|
| Hello.
| Has anyone used an alternative to the cables that
| have to be swaged on the tail plane counter balance?
| I am thinking that using turnbuckles to provide tension
| would make an easier installation.
|
| John, A230
That's what I used. Works well, as sometimes the tension works out as age
develops.
Details off net if you like.
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some pilots do
the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when no-one
is looking."
That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other counties. In
some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Good idea. I did the same, but wherever there's a non-standard nut, I maked
it in red and put a red dot on the top outside corner of thge manual page -
and then when I repalce it with the 'final' part. I cross it off and
intitialize it.
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Neville: Can stuff nuts be reused?
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
|
| Brian,
| I bought nuts at the hardware store for the trial and error fitting
| and use the stiff nuts for what I hope is the final assembly. To
| prevent errors you can paint the cheapo nuts red.
|
| John, A230, NJ
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Ferg,
Not sure about regulations in the States but both in the UK and Canada theEuropa
must be placarded with AEROBATIC MANEUVERS PROHIBITED. Has nothing to do with
inspectors on the ground.
Karl
From: "Fergus Kyle" VE3LVO@rac.ca
Subject: Europa-List: Aerobatics
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" VE3LVO@rac.ca
"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some pilots do
the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when no-one
is looking."
That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other counties. In
some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Actually in Canada they are permitted.... the method to remove the
restriction is at:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/OntarioRegion/civilaviation/manufacturing/recav/acro
batic.htm
Cheers,
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: KARL HEINDL [mailto:kheindl@msn.com]
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aerobatics
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Ferg,
Not sure about regulations in the States but both in the UK and Canada
theEuropa must be placarded with AEROBATIC MANEUVERS PROHIBITED. Has
nothing to do with inspectors on the ground.
Karl
From: "Fergus Kyle" VE3LVO@rac.ca
Subject: Europa-List: Aerobatics
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" VE3LVO@rac.ca
"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some pilots
do
the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when
no-one
is looking."
That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other counties.
In
some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Here in the US we were told by the FAA inspector that aerobatics would
be allowed in our plane if they were flown (demonstrated) during the 40
hour restriction fly-off, and list the maneuvers flown (with the
associated entry speeds) in the aircraft log book. XS monowheel N135TD
is therefore legal for spins, loops, rolls, and wing-overs. In the
absense of inverted oil and fuel systems, we chose not to fly hammer
heads with our Europa, due to the possibility of tail slides if the
engine quit near the top (too bad, hammer heads are one of my favorites).
regards,
Terry Seaver
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some pilots do
>the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when no-one
>is looking."
>
>That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other counties. In
>some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
>qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
>Ferg
>A064
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hi Terry,
Just curious how she spins.... as per the factory results?
Cheers & thanks,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Seaver [mailto:terrys@cisco.com]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aerobatics
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Here in the US we were told by the FAA inspector that aerobatics would
be allowed in our plane if they were flown (demonstrated) during the 40
hour restriction fly-off, and list the maneuvers flown (with the
associated entry speeds) in the aircraft log book. XS monowheel N135TD
is therefore legal for spins, loops, rolls, and wing-overs. In the
absense of inverted oil and fuel systems, we chose not to fly hammer
heads with our Europa, due to the possibility of tail slides if the
engine quit near the top (too bad, hammer heads are one of my
favorites).
regards,
Terry Seaver
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some
pilots do
>the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when
no-one
>is looking."
>
>That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other
counties. In
>some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
>qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
>Ferg
>A064
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
Wow, thanks to all for the candid advice. Not one of you has said "go
ahead and build it, the factory build-time estimates are correct, it is
not that hard, go for it"
Damn. It seems that this project should be the only pastime i would
have for the next few years, otherwise, i may end up resenting it and
not finishing it.
I want to clarify one point i made in my original post: I do enjoy
building things. I have done a lot of work on my house by myself,
including installing a jacuzi and a deck, putting in skylights (no
leaks!) and as a teenager i repowered a toyota landcruiser with a
smallblock chevy V8 and drove it for 6 years. I am very able to do
this and i enjoy the process of creating. My concern is not that i
would like the build, just that is would become an obsession (my
personality) and it would displace other healthy things in my life,
like career focus and the like.
Well, so far the response has me unanimously "don't do it" in the
agregate. Please keep the thoughts coming. I really do appreciate all
of your comments. This is a hard one to let go of, but i do want to be
realistic and learn from the experience of my fellow fliers.
Maybe this will be for sale soon. Any interest?
Best,
Tom
On Apr 30, 2004, at 8:18 AM, KARL HEINDL wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
> Tom,
>
> You have two big minuses against you: 1) your girlfriend isn't really
> interested, 2) your workshop is too far from home. To be successful
> (i.e. finish a homebuilt) your workshop needs to be right next to your
> house or in the house, some people have built their Europa in an
> apartment. To keep the interest going you need to spend some time in
> the workshop almost every day, even if you are not building, you need
> to read the manual and do a lot of advance planning. Another reason
> why the workshop should be as cozy as possible. I also agree regarding
> the 914. You are a long way from the Rockies, and you should always
> weigh upALL of the pros and cons: the most expensive is not always the
> best.
>
> My advice: Use your build hours instead to make a lot of extra money
> in your career and get someone else (Flightcrafters ?) to finish your
> kit. Not the ideal solution, but in your case it guarantees completion
> and to a high standard in a reasonable timeframe.
>
> p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some
> pilots do the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but
> only when no-one is looking.
>
> Karl
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Peter,
During the initial flight testing I performed only one to two turn spins
to the left and right. These only required opposite rudder to break the
spin. My build parter, Dave DeFord, tried some multi-turn spins more
recently, and found the plane would not break out with rudder only,
requiring opposite rudder PLUS a momentary application of forward stick
(to NEUTRAL, lets not get carried away and push it into an inverted
spin) to break the spin. The rotation rate in a spin is definitely
faster than a Citabria, and a little faster than a Great Lakes biplane,
as I recall.
regards,
Terry Seaver
Peter Zutrauen wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
>Hi Terry,
>
>Just curious how she spins.... as per the factory results?
>
>Cheers & thanks,
>Pete
>A239
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Terry Seaver [mailto:terrys@cisco.com]
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aerobatics
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
>
>Here in the US we were told by the FAA inspector that aerobatics would
>be allowed in our plane if they were flown (demonstrated) during the 40
>hour restriction fly-off, and list the maneuvers flown (with the
>associated entry speeds) in the aircraft log book. XS monowheel N135TD
>is therefore legal for spins, loops, rolls, and wing-overs. In the
>absense of inverted oil and fuel systems, we chose not to fly hammer
>heads with our Europa, due to the possibility of tail slides if the
>engine quit near the top (too bad, hammer heads are one of my
>favorites).
>
>regards,
>Terry Seaver
>
>Fergus Kyle wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>>
>>"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some
>>
>>
>pilots do
>
>
>>the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when
>>
>>
>no-one
>
>
>>is looking."
>>
>>That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other
>>
>>
>counties. In
>
>
>>some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
>>qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
>>Ferg
>>A064
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Hi Pete,
Thanks for the info, I printed it off. It looks i was misinformed and Fergus is
right. Mind you, the handbook calls for a placard of 'intentional spins prohibited'.
Cheers, Karl
From: "Peter Zutrauen" peterz@zutrasoft.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aerobatics
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" peterz@zutrasoft.com
Actually in Canada they are permitted.... the method to remove the
restriction is at:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/OntarioRegion/civilaviation/manufacturing/recav/acro
batic.htm
Cheers,
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: KARL HEINDL [mailto:kheindl@msn.com]
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aerobatics
-- Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" kheindl@msn.com
Ferg,
Not sure about regulations in the States but both in the UK and Canada
theEuropa must be placarded with AEROBATIC MANEUVERS PROHIBITED. Has
nothing to do with inspectors on the ground.
Karl
From: "Fergus Kyle" VE3LVO@rac.ca
Subject: Europa-List: Aerobatics
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" VE3LVO@rac.ca
"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some pilots
do
the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when
no-one
is looking."
That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other counties.
In
some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Aerobatics in Aussie |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Mal McLure has his endorsed here in Australia for spins, rolls, loops, and
other positive g mild manoeuvres. All others can consequently follow I
believe, although it may well be on a case by case basis. Much to my
frustration, he is using the teflon hinge pin mod that reduces the hinge
pin by 30%, on all his hinges including his rudder bottom hinge, with no
apparent problems or wear. (Its my frustration because I told him about the
mod) It does however validate previous dialogue about this mod. Having
said that, I wish he'd change the rudder hinges to the standard hinge pin,
as teflon smoothness for the rudder I wouldn't have thought was important.
He knows what I think, but his counter argument is that hinge flanges and
flanges themselves are inherently the weakest link, and will always be the
first to go.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 02:33 AM 5/1/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
>
>Ferg,
>
>
>Not sure about regulations in the States but both in the UK and Canada
>theEuropa must be placarded with AEROBATIC MANEUVERS PROHIBITED. Has
>nothing to do with inspectors on the ground.
>
>
>Karl
>
>
>From: "Fergus Kyle" VE3LVO@rac.ca
>To: "EUROPALIST" europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Aerobatics
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:19:59 -0400
>
>-- Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" VE3LVO@rac.ca
>
>"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some pilots do
>the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when no-one
>is looking."
>
>That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other counties. In
>some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
>qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
>Ferg
>A064
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Tom
I will tell you the building of the Europa is the greatest achievement I
have had. I have just flown of my 40 hours and will taking my wife up
tomorrow for her first Europa ride. It will be a great day. One we will
remember forever.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
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