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1. 06:11 AM - Re: to build or not to build (Brad Newell)
2. 08:14 AM - XSAileron clearance upper close out flange (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 09:31 AM - europa trigear trailer (Ctogs@aol.com)
5. 09:36 AM - Re: to build or not to build (Jim Butcher)
6. 10:00 AM - Re: Re: to build or not to build (Paul McAllister)
7. 10:05 AM - Re: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange (Gerry Holland)
8. 10:05 AM - Re: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange (Jeff Roberts)
9. 10:30 AM - Re: europa trigear trailer (Richard Holder)
10. 10:48 AM - Re: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange (Don Pettey)
11. 11:31 AM - Subject: Re: Mode "c" info required (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
12. 01:32 PM - Re: Subject: Re: Mode "c" info required (Tim Houlihan)
13. 01:47 PM - Re: europa trigear trailer (Ctogs@aol.com)
14. 02:08 PM - Re: europa trigear trailer (ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk)
15. 04:31 PM - Re: to build or not to build (Chuck Popenoe)
16. 11:43 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brad Newell" <wendigo@olympus.net>
Hi, Cliff...
I've been watching the discussion about whether or not to build, and I've
got a couple of comments that I'd like to make.
For anyone interested, I got my aircraft off the same truck that Cliff did.
Cliff has just finished the 40-hour restriction - and I'm still screwing
around with the left wing (which is almost completed). Personally, I
believe that experienced, knowledgeable folks could conceivably build one of
these machines in 500 hours. Most people are more like me. I believe that
when I am done I will have spent about 500 hours actually working on the
thing - but several thousand hours contemplating my next move at each step.
The left wing has taken nearly two years for me; the next should not take
over two months. It has been of immeasurable value to have someone like
Cliff available not too far away as a consultant. First time builders should
consider whether or not there is support in their local area.
At any rate, congratulations, Cliff.
Brad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: to build or not to build
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Tom
>
> I will tell you the building of the Europa is the greatest achievement I
> have had. I have just flown of my 40 hours and will taking my wife up
> tomorrow for her first Europa ride. It will be a great day. One we will
> remember forever.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
>
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| Subject: | XSAileron clearance upper close out flange |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
<XS Wing>
I recently installed my aileron on the port side wing. There was no clearance
between the top of the aileron and the top close out flange. In fact I had to
trim about 1/4 inch in order for the required minimum upper travel. The
aileron still rubs significantly on the upper flange even after the trim. My
concerns in that too much trimming of the upper flange will not allow a proper
bond of the wing close out when it becomes time to do so.
Right now after the 1/4 trim I am left with a flange about 20mm < 3/4 inch>
wide.
I'm assuming that friction is not acceptable on the aileron at this stage of
build. Wrong?
< I noted the mixing stick spacers used for top close out on the flaps to
help this situation. But mention of only box tape for the ailerons which is not
near enough thickness for this situation.>
If you have read this far. Thank you. Here are my questions.
1. Is any aileron rubbing on the top flange acceptable at this stage of
build? Perhaps there is something that I have missed later on in the manual to
fix
this?
2. If not. Can anyone give me an idea about how much trimming was needed on
their XS wing?
3. Or What was the width of the upper flange after trimming and did it effect
the bond of the wing top?
As always thanks for the help, and the most valued opinions.
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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| Subject: | XSAileron clearance upper close out flange |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I remember being told by Neville to use a spacer (card stock) on the aileron
as well when the top skin goes on. My aileron closeout flanges rubbed in the
middle area of the ailerons a lot, but using a spacer when the top skin went
on lined thing up much better. I would definitely call the factory for the
Beta on the whole process and ask questions.
Kevin, A211
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Europa-List: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
<XS Wing>
I recently installed my aileron on the port side wing. There was no
clearance
between the top of the aileron and the top close out flange. In fact I had
to
trim about 1/4 inch in order for the required minimum upper travel. The
aileron still rubs significantly on the upper flange even after the trim.
My
concerns in that too much trimming of the upper flange will not allow a
proper
bond of the wing close out when it becomes time to do so.
Right now after the 1/4 trim I am left with a flange about 20mm < 3/4 inch>
wide.
I'm assuming that friction is not acceptable on the aileron at this stage of
build. Wrong?
< I noted the mixing stick spacers used for top close out on the flaps to
help this situation. But mention of only box tape for the ailerons which is
not
near enough thickness for this situation.>
If you have read this far. Thank you. Here are my questions.
1. Is any aileron rubbing on the top flange acceptable at this stage of
build? Perhaps there is something that I have missed later on in the manual
to fix
this?
2. If not. Can anyone give me an idea about how much trimming was needed on
their XS wing?
3. Or What was the width of the upper flange after trimming and did it
effect
the bond of the wing top?
As always thanks for the help, and the most valued opinions.
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&namega
llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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| Subject: | europa trigear trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ctogs@aol.com
Anyone out there know the max length and height needed. I see some info
from the faq but I think that might be a mono Thanks Roger
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Hi Tom,
We tend to be on the "go ahead and build it" side. We bought the Europa kit
because we wanted a fast, versatile, cool airplane that is inexpensive to
operate and a dream to fly. We have also found that it is fun to build!
While we agree that to build successfully you need to keep at it, we have
found it healthier to allow life to get in the way to some extent (Jim was
building a business and Heather traveled a lot for her work, we spent time
with family, had hobbies like sailing, etc. during the build). If you don't
take time to maintain relationships, other interests, and your career, you
will start to resent the project. It will probably take longer than your
estimate but will be worth it in the end. Ours will end up at 5 years /
2,000 hours for both sets of wings & full IFR with only fast build on
control surfaces.
It would be nice if your girlfriend was involved - when Jim first suggested
building Heather was concerned that she would never see him, then when he
said we'd do it together she was afraid it would be "hand me the
screwdriver" but the reality has been that we have both learned a lot and
have each contributed significantly.
If you plan well, building at the cottage could be good for you, since you
can have large chunks of time there. You can do research and planning at
home, but the physical distance may be what you need to keep it from being
an obsession.
The build really isn't hard, you can get help if there are questions, and
the tasks and skills are diverse enough that you won't get bored. It would
also be a good idea to connect with an EAA chapter for build support (so you
have at least a few new friends who don't think you are nuts!). They can
also help with letting you borrow books and specialized tools which will
save some money and they may put on some seminars that will help with
electrical, etc.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
XS mono 914 Airmaster short wings (long wings this winter!)
starting paint, engine & glider lessons. finishing electrical, inst panel,
interior.
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Tom,
Your question has sparked a lot of comments on the forum. I am on "have a
go" side of the fence. The reason I say this is that from my early 20's I
always wanted to build an airplane but never seemed to get around to it. I
decided it was one of those things I didn't want to go through life having
never attempted. I eventually started my project in 1998 and I have just
recently been issued my airworthiness certificate. My kit was an XS with no
quick build options and I estimate spending about 500 hours a year for 5.5
years.
This project became a joint venture with my wife and we spent a lot of time
together and we both learnt a lot. My things happen over the life of
projects like this, in my case I moved it from Australia to the US and it
knew 3 workshops in the life of the project. You can never predict what
will happen in the future, but its like every thing else, once you start you
are one step closer to finishing. If you interested I have my odyssey
chronicled on the web at http://europa363.versadev.com/
Regards, Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Brian Hi!
Here are my questions.
>
> 1. Is any aileron rubbing on the top flange acceptable at this stage of
> build? Perhaps there is something that I have missed later on in the manual to
> fix this?
I guess it's probably not acceptable but I had same problem. More on Port
and Starboard Wing/Aileron. Probably me!
>
> 2. If not. Can anyone give me an idea about how much trimming was needed on
> their XS wing?
I trimmed about 1/4" off Starboard but nearer 1/2" on Port and then used
Glass paper around lead edge of Aileron and sanded back to smooth unhindered
movement. It looks OK and works OK now. The actual alignment difference
between Flap and Aileron skin T/E is 3/8" Port - 5/8" Starboard.
>
> 3. Or What was the width of the upper flange after trimming and did it effect
> the bond of the wing top?
>
I bonded on Wing top skin without taking these consequences into account.
Neville will have a definite answer so maybe ask before going further.
BTW it's a UK Holiday on Monday! Yes again!
Regarding Mass balance slot alignment. Mine was the same as yours and I
realigned by moving and reshaping 'Boxes' and all again lines up.
It's that 'Europa Factor' built into Manual to personalise all our
Aeroplanes!!
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage painted! Wings being painted next week, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 70% done .
Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel, Designing Heater Unit, Shoulder Width Mod completed.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 5/1/04 10:13 AM, EuropaXSA276@aol.com at EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
Brad,
Friction is acceptable at this stage. I too struggled with the clearance of
the aileron. So Nev told me about a better way when closeout time comes. I
don't remember the whole thing but you should find it in the archives.
Anyway he said to trim away about a 1/2" from the flange and don't worry
about clearance until you close out the wing. I wish I had not quite taken
off the full 1/2" but it worked out well. Instead of using the sticks get
some linoleum and cut it into 5" or so wide aileron length strips. This goes
for the flaps as well. The linoleum makes a perfect spacer as well as
protects the flaps and ailerons from any of the sticky stuff. Plus it
releases from the re-dux very well. After you bond the top on you just pull
it out and sand the trailing edge of the skin (now with the flange bonded to
it) back until you have the clearance needed. As I said you may want to look
for the Neville archive version. This was about a year ago or so.
Good luck and best regards,
Jeff
A258 Tri-Gear
Airframe built, engine installed, working on the perfect cowling & spinner
fit. Still getting ready to order electronics. So many choices
> <XS Wing>
> I recently installed my aileron on the port side wing. There was no clearance
> between the top of the aileron and the top close out flange. In fact I had to
> trim about 1/4 inch in order for the required minimum upper travel. The
> aileron still rubs significantly on the upper flange even after the trim. My
> concerns in that too much trimming of the upper flange will not allow a
> proper
> bond of the wing close out when it becomes time to do so.
>
> Right now after the 1/4 trim I am left with a flange about 20mm < 3/4 inch>
> wide.
>
> I'm assuming that friction is not acceptable on the aileron at this stage of
> build. Wrong?
> < I noted the mixing stick spacers used for top close out on the flaps to
> help this situation. But mention of only box tape for the ailerons which is
> not
> near enough thickness for this situation.>
>
> If you have read this far. Thank you. Here are my questions.
>
> 1. Is any aileron rubbing on the top flange acceptable at this stage of
> build? Perhaps there is something that I have missed later on in the manual to
> fix
> this?
>
> 2. If not. Can anyone give me an idea about how much trimming was needed on
> their XS wing?
>
> 3. Or What was the width of the upper flange after trimming and did it effect
> the bond of the wing top?
>
> As always thanks for the help, and the most valued opinions.
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=ga
> llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: europa trigear trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
My trailer, which has been used a few times to move G-OWWW is a flat-bed
trailer 6ft 6 in wide and 14 foot long. There is approx 2 inches space on
either side, with the speed kit spats taken off. The tail overhangs of
course - indeed the main wheels are less than half-way down the trailer. The
plane faces forward.
The wings are retained on support structures which fit either side. The
front ones can stay on the trailer but the rears have to be removed before
the fuselage can be taken off.
I have come up with some scaffold plank supports to fit behind the main
wheels and use ratchet tie downs to hold the wheels from hopping sideways.
The elevators go in the tow car (one could go in the cockpit)
It is an open trailer. As the bed of the trailer is about two foot above the
ground the tip of the fin is about 8 or 9 ft above the ground.
I do not use this arrangement often. The plane is currently hangered, (with
the wings on) at High Cross which is north of Ware by the A10.
If you need more info contact me direct
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ctogs@aol.com
>
> Anyone out there know the max length and height needed. I see some info
> from the faq but I think that might be a mono Thanks Roger
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| Subject: | Re: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Don Pettey <don-glasstile@cox.net>
I had the same problem on my port wing. The close-out was warped down
on the port wing only.
I shimmed the close-out with stir sticks between it and the aileron and
(carefully) applyed heat from a heat gun (paint stripper, on low). The
close-out became straight and I bonded on the lid with free movement on
both ailerons.,
Hope this helps.
Don Pettey
A188
On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 09:21 AM, Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> I remember being told by Neville to use a spacer (card stock) on the
> aileron
> as well when the top skin goes on. My aileron closeout flanges rubbed
> in the
> middle area of the ailerons a lot, but using a spacer when the top
> skin went
> on lined thing up much better. I would definitely call the factory for
> the
> Beta on the whole process and ask questions.
>
> Kevin, A211
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> EuropaXSA276@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: XSAileron clearance upper close out flange
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> <XS Wing>
> I recently installed my aileron on the port side wing. There was no
> clearance
> between the top of the aileron and the top close out flange. In fact I
> had
> to
> trim about 1/4 inch in order for the required minimum upper travel.
> The
> aileron still rubs significantly on the upper flange even after the
> trim.
> My
> concerns in that too much trimming of the upper flange will not allow
> a
> proper
> bond of the wing close out when it becomes time to do so.
>
> Right now after the 1/4 trim I am left with a flange about 20mm < 3/4
> inch>
> wide.
>
> I'm assuming that friction is not acceptable on the aileron at this
> stage of
> build. Wrong?
> < I noted the mixing stick spacers used for top close out on the
> flaps to
> help this situation. But mention of only box tape for the ailerons
> which is
> not
> near enough thickness for this situation.>
>
> If you have read this far. Thank you. Here are my questions.
>
> 1. Is any aileron rubbing on the top flange acceptable at this stage of
> build? Perhaps there is something that I have missed later on in the
> manual
> to fix
> this?
>
> 2. If not. Can anyone give me an idea about how much trimming was
> needed on
> their XS wing?
>
> 3. Or What was the width of the upper flange after trimming and did it
> effect
> the bond of the wing top?
>
> As always thanks for the help, and the most valued opinions.
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
> modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&namega
> llery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mode "c" info required |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode "c" info required
Tim,
I had the same problem with the Terra encoder and GARMIN transponder. The problem
was that pin 6 of the encoder has not been connected to ground. The encoder
is supposed to work without this pin connected but in some instances it does
not. I hope this will solve your problem.
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix. Now 245
hours.
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode "c" info required
Tim,
I had the same problem with the Terra encoder and GARMIN transponder. The problem
was that pin 6 of the encoder has not been connected to ground. The encoder
is supposed to work without this pin connected but in some instances it does
not. I hope this will solve your problem.
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix. Now 245
hours.
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| Subject: | Re: Mode "c" info required |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Houlihan" <Tim@houlihan.flyer.co.uk>
Hi Remi
Thanks I will check that and update you of the results
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode "c" info required
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode "c" info required
>
> Tim,
> I had the same problem with the Terra encoder and GARMIN transponder. The
problem was that pin 6 of the encoder has not been connected to ground. The
encoder is supposed to work without this pin connected but in some instances
it does not. I hope this will solve your problem.
> Remi Guerner
> F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, purchased with 65 hours and many things to fix.
Now 245 hours.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: europa trigear trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ctogs@aol.com
Richard thanks. Roger
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| Subject: | Re: europa trigear trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk
Hi! I will be able to furnish dimensions in about 3 weeks on my return to UK
from the Six Nations Tour, presuming the weather lets us get off, currently
weathered in at Biggin Hill !
However you'll need to ask me afresh to remind me.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
Quoting Ctogs@aol.com:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ctogs@aol.com
>
> Anyone out there know the max length and height needed. I see some info
> from the faq but I think that might be a mono Thanks Roger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
Tom- I think that you have received some good advice, but I'll throw in my
$.02 worth----my experience follows...
This thread really hits home for me! Some wise one once said that you can't
build a Europa and expect to continue in your previous lifestyle,. I began
A-036 back in '96 and started out with great enthusiasm. I have since
recorded about 1000 hours effort, working almost entirely by myself, and I
may now be as much as 1/3 finished. My problem is that I have far too many
interests, which always conflict with building! I have built 3 tube &
fabric aircraft, all of which I still own and fly. My last project, an Avid
Flyer, took me about 1200 hours to complete. I also have my own business
to run, which takes a good bit of my time. We also have a 38' cruising
ketch and a mountain vacation home. In my free time I always have the
difficult choice, do I want to go flying, sailing or up to the mountain or,
should I fill & sand on the Europa project. Unfortunately, the choice is
always too easy--the Europa loses out.
I would love to have the finished Europa-- without doubt the finest handling
plane that I've ever flown. However, I'm now pushing 72 and at my present
build rate, I could be pushing up daisys before getting to fly my baby.
I've just now made the terrible decision to give it up and to reluctantly
put my project up for sale. This has been one of the most difficult
decisions of my life! It's hard to give up your dream, but buying a finished
one would make more sense for me at this time. Anyone have a nice one with
trailer for sale?
Sadly,
Pops A-036
classic monowheel
All flying surfaces completed and fitted, wings not yet filled & sanded.
Upgrade to 1370 lb. MTOW completed. Undercarriage, baggage bay, tailwheel &
all controls finished. Top not yet bonded on--a few items inside left to
finish.
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