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1. 12:03 AM - Re: Alternative Trigear Bungee Fitment (Gerry Holland)
2. 12:19 AM - Re: to build or not to build (JR (Bob) Gowing)
3. 05:45 AM - The Six Nation Tour - postponned (William Mills)
4. 07:07 AM - Headset squeeling (Graham Singleton)
5. 07:21 AM - Europa Acro (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
6. 07:38 AM - Re: to build or not to build (Jeff Roberts)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: to build or not to build (Jeff Roberts)
8. 08:08 AM - Re: to build or not to build (Jeff Roberts)
9. 08:08 AM - Re: Alternative Trigear Bungee Fitment (Fergus Kyle)
10. 08:11 AM - Re: to build or not to build (Jeff Roberts)
11. 02:55 PM - Re: The Six Nation Tour - postponned (bryan allsop)
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| Subject: | Re: Alternative Trigear Bungee Fitment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Thanks to everyone who replied on the matter of Trigear Bungee.
This Forum works every time!
Kind Regards to all
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Pops,
You are nearly there Pops, a bit ahead of me at age 73, if you can't do all
the remaining work yourself why not get the remaining bits done
professionally? You would then be flying almost all your own work!
I am still using the cradle you designed and appreciate this contribution
which has helped so many others. Thank you again - you have friends all over
the world!
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in OZ
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: to build or not to build
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
>
> Tom- I think that you have received some good advice, but I'll throw in my
> $.02 worth----my experience follows...
>
> This thread really hits home for me! Some wise one once said that you
can't
> build a Europa and expect to continue in your previous lifestyle,. I
began
> A-036 back in '96 and started out with great enthusiasm. I have since
> recorded about 1000 hours effort, working almost entirely by myself, and I
> may now be as much as 1/3 finished. My problem is that I have far too
many
> interests, which always conflict with building! I have built 3 tube &
> fabric aircraft, all of which I still own and fly. My last project, an
Avid
> Flyer, took me about 1200 hours to complete. I also have my own business
> to run, which takes a good bit of my time. We also have a 38' cruising
> ketch and a mountain vacation home. In my free time I always have the
> difficult choice, do I want to go flying, sailing or up to the mountain
or,
> should I fill & sand on the Europa project. Unfortunately, the choice is
> always too easy--the Europa loses out.
>
> I would love to have the finished Europa-- without doubt the finest
handling
> plane that I've ever flown. However, I'm now pushing 72 and at my present
> build rate, I could be pushing up daisys before getting to fly my baby.
> I've just now made the terrible decision to give it up and to reluctantly
> put my project up for sale. This has been one of the most difficult
> decisions of my life! It's hard to give up your dream, but buying a
finished
> one would make more sense for me at this time. Anyone have a nice one
with
> trailer for sale?
>
> Sadly,
>
> Pops A-036
> classic monowheel
>
> All flying surfaces completed and fitted, wings not yet filled & sanded.
> Upgrade to 1370 lb. MTOW completed. Undercarriage, baggage bay, tailwheel
&
> all controls finished. Top not yet bonded on--a few items inside left to
> finish.
>
>
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| Subject: | The Six Nation Tour - postponned |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Unfortunately, because the weather forecast for Europe over the next five days
is so bad, we decided to postpone until the weather settles down. Had we gone
on Saturday as planned, we would have spent the week chasing patches of good
weather, or waiting for it to clear and probably not seeing much of the Alps,
if at all.
I will let the forum know when we intend to make another attempt, in case anyone
else wishes to join in, or meet us en route.
We intend to visit the following countries in this order: France, Switzerland,
Italy, Austria, Czech Republic and Germany.
Better luck next time.
William
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| Subject: | Headset squeeling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 02/05/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>It would seem that the problem is isolated to my Lightspeed headsets, any
>one have
>any suggestions ?
>
>
>Paul
Paul
sounds like an ANR problem to me.
Graham
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05/03/2004 10:21:21 AM,
Serialize complete at 05/03/2004 10:21:21 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Just my 2 cents
First, Karl, the Europa is not actually "certified" for anything since it
is a homebuilt.
Second, as stated, in the US, at least, a DAR will but whatever you want
into your Program Letter
otherwise known as the OpLims. The condition for acro is that you placard
the entry speeds and demonstrate
each manuever during the 25 or 40 hr test period. If you take a look at
the copy of my POH
at http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ it should list the entry speeds I used in
consultation with Andy Draper,
Jimmy Thursby, and several other experiences Euro drivers.
I list them here:
Pilots Operating Handbook N224XS Section 5 -
Entry Speeds:
Chandelles 120 kts
Wing Overs 120 kts
Loops 130 kts / 3G
Aileron rolls 120 - 130 kts
Barrel rolls 120 - 130 kts
Your milage may vary.
Second, with respect to building, my workshop was 1031 sm from home, yet I
finished to flying state
in just under three years. Its all personal bias and choice.
Have Fun (thats the key!)
Ira N224xs Flying and fixing, fixing, fixing
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
Perfectly said Rowland. The ultimate perspective. Made me feel great about
my own build.
Jeff
A258
Do not archive
> Tom - nobody else can give you permission to spend your time in this
> way, it's got to be your own decision.
>
> One of the things that tipped me over when I had some doubts was the
> following scenario posed by someone who had no knowledge of
> aeroplanes or engineering at all, but knew a lot about people.
>
> If on your deathbed you had convenient time to review your life
> decisions, how do you think you would feel about your aeroplane
> build/not build choice? Would you be saying
> (a) "I know it seemed the sensible idea NOT to build, but I really
> wish I'd tried to build an aeroplane after all"
> or
> (b) "I know I didn't finish it (because I died/got epoxy
> allergy/spent too much time with my family) but I'm glad I gave it a
> try and risked the experience"
>
> Looking forward now, which of those two would you rather be able to
> say? And of course there's the 3rd one we all hope we can quote
> instead - "I built it and I can fly around in it"!
>
> If all us builder nuts were making decisions based on cold hard
> facts, I think there'd be very few of us tackling the job.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 5/1/04 6:30 PM, Chuck Popenoe at cpops@verizon.net wrote:
> I would love to have the finished Europa-- without doubt the finest handling
> plane that I've ever flown. However, I'm now pushing 72 and at my present
> build rate,
Pops,
I share your passion for the plane. Just a thought...
Why don't you have Flight Crafters finish it? Sounds like you could afford
it and it would be your own plane you started. I used them to jump-start my
kit and they do great work and can finish it quick.
Regards,
Jeff
Do not archive.
> Sadly,
>
> Pops A-036
> classic monowheel
>
> All flying surfaces completed and fitted, wings not yet filled & sanded.
> Upgrade to 1370 lb. MTOW completed. Undercarriage, baggage bay, tailwheel &
> all controls finished. Top not yet bonded on--a few items inside left to
> finish.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
Perfectly said Rowland. The ultimate perspective. Made me feel great about
my own build.
Jeff
A258
Do not archive
> Tom - nobody else can give you permission to spend your time in this
> way, it's got to be your own decision.
>
> One of the things that tipped me over when I had some doubts was the
> following scenario posed by someone who had no knowledge of
> aeroplanes or engineering at all, but knew a lot about people.
>
> If on your deathbed you had convenient time to review your life
> decisions, how do you think you would feel about your aeroplane
> build/not build choice? Would you be saying
> (a) "I know it seemed the sensible idea NOT to build, but I really
> wish I'd tried to build an aeroplane after all"
> or
> (b) "I know I didn't finish it (because I died/got epoxy
> allergy/spent too much time with my family) but I'm glad I gave it a
> try and risked the experience"
>
> Looking forward now, which of those two would you rather be able to
> say? And of course there's the 3rd one we all hope we can quote
> instead - "I built it and I can fly around in it"!
>
> If all us builder nuts were making decisions based on cold hard
> facts, I think there'd be very few of us tackling the job.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Alternative Trigear Bungee Fitment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Just a short suggestion yoiu may want to try. I added a cover to the top
rail over which the bungees loop. It is a styrene (I think) plastic shower
curtain rail cover sold by a large (SEARS) department store locally. It is
split lengthwise and 'curls' on nicely and so prevents future rubbing or
chafing of the paint surface. I have also covered the mod52 AUW increase mod
rod and several others which might suffer similarly. The cover also serves
to reduce any local friction in the bungee procedure.
Cheers, Ferg A064
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Burton" <markb@ordern.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Alternative Trigear Bungee Fitment
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
|
|
| Hi Jerry,
|
| > Can someone steer me towards the details of the single loops of Bungee
to
| > replace the continuous Bungee system for Europa Nose Gear.
| >
| > My Nose gear is yet again gone 'soft' and would like to try this new
| > approach.
|
| The following probably only makes sense for converted monos that still
| have a hole in the bottom!
|
| I have used single loops of bungee that stretch around the T-bar to
| the centre tube (as G-NEAT is a converted mono, this is where the
| over-centre supports pivoted from).
|
| The bungee is threaded over the centre tube and the ends clamped
| together with little clamps (kindly supplied to me by Kevin
| Pilcher). The loop of bungee can then be stretched down and over the
| end of the T-bar. If the tension isn't quite right you can move the
| clamp and try again. The stripes on the bungee should be something
| like 1" apart at the right tension. Keep adding loops of bungee until
| you have enough and the result is "hard".
|
| The great advantage of this method is that you can re-tension
| individual loops without doing yourself an injury and even take more
| than half off without the thing collapsing.
|
| Kevin uses a variation of this method where he makes up larger loops
| that stretch from the T-bar, over the centre tube and back down to the
| T-bar. I tried that, but being weak, I found I just wasn't capable of
| pulling the bungee down to the T-bar. However, single loops between
| the centre tube and the T-bar are not too difficult to tension
| adequately. The disadvantages of my method (compared to Kevin's) are
| that you need twice as many clamps and the bungee has to be formed
| into a loop in place over the centre tube (actually, no big deal).
|
| The end result is "well hard" and much easier to maintain than the
| factory method.
|
| I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
|
| Regards,
|
| mark
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 5/1/04 6:30 PM, Chuck Popenoe at cpops@verizon.net wrote:
> I would love to have the finished Europa-- without doubt the finest handling
> plane that I've ever flown. However, I'm now pushing 72 and at my present
> build rate,
Pops,
I share your passion for the plane. Just a thought...
Why don't you have Flight Crafters finish it? Sounds like you could afford
it and it would be your own plane. I used them to jump-start my kit. They
are a great bunch of guys and they do great work.
Best Regards,
Jeff
Do not archive.
> Sadly,
>
> Pops A-036
> classic monowheel
>
> All flying surfaces completed and fitted, wings not yet filled & sanded.
> Upgrade to 1370 lb. MTOW completed. Undercarriage, baggage bay, tailwheel &
> all controls finished. Top not yet bonded on--a few items inside left to
> finish.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Six Nation Tour - postponned |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
William,
I have been following the weather since the day you were all due for
departure. It made me quite concerned for you all. Those black line things
with bumps and teeth seemed to be wiggling all over the map of Europe.
I am sure that you guys did not give up without a fight, but wise heads must
have prevailed (and you, Europa fliers too).
See you at the next fly-in, even though that does not look to be on
weatherwise in the next few days.
Could anyone bring a carb' balancing set with them?
Better luck next time! Hopefully the weather will be good for the June Tour
de France. Bryan----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: The Six Nation Tour - postponned
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Unfortunately, because the weather forecast for Europe over the next five
days is so bad, we decided to postpone until the weather settles down. Had
we gone on Saturday as planned, we would have spent the week chasing patches
of good weather, or waiting for it to clear and probably not seeing much of
the Alps, if at all.
> I will let the forum know when we intend to make another attempt, in case
anyone else wishes to join in, or meet us en route.
> We intend to visit the following countries in this order: France,
Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Czech Republic and Germany.
> Better luck next time.
> William
>
>
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