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1. 12:36 AM - Re: Flexible Sanding Medium (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 02:56 AM - Re: Fuel smell (Tim Ward)
3. 04:35 AM - Re: Re: Antennas (Jim Brown)
4. 05:06 AM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT - Alex Bauman -C-GGHY (rlborger)
5. 08:50 AM - rivet and ordernumbers (Jos Okhuijsen)
6. 08:58 AM - NAME CORRECTION-Alec Bowman (Christine and Peter Timm)
7. 10:33 AM - Re: to build or not to build (Chuck Popenoe)
8. 11:10 AM - Aerobatics (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
9. 11:54 AM - Drop of The Hat Friday 7th (P.A.D.Clarke)
10. 11:58 AM - Re: Fuel smell (bryan allsop)
11. 12:06 PM - Carb balancing kit (bryan allsop)
12. 12:12 PM - Fw: Flexible Sanding Medium (Fergus Kyle)
13. 01:23 PM - Batteries (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
14. 01:40 PM - Re: Carb balancing kit (William Mills)
15. 04:18 PM - Re: Flexible Sanding Medium (Kingsley Hurst)
16. 04:38 PM - Re: to build or not to build (James Nelson)
17. 07:31 PM - Re: Fuel smell (Rocketman)
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| Subject: | Flexible Sanding Medium |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
William Mills wrote:
> It would be nice to hear the off forum suggestions.
Apologies William but there was only one off Forum suggestion. It was
from Bob Gowing and he said
"Maybe you could use a piece of 24 gauge flat iron fitted with a handle
and
cutting paper glued on the open surface? Flexible plastic would do same
thing."
Regards
Kingsley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Paul,
Concerning the fuel smell. Convinced it was the fuel pipes given to us years
ago by Europa, I took all mine out and sure enough they smelt badly. The
walls are too thin . I have replaced them with Automotive Service Hose, Fuel
Line Hose, which have excellent resistance to oil, gasoline, grease and
weather. All synthetic rubber construction reinforced with a single ply of
braided cord within. Hypalon cover, Nitrile tube for use with leaded and
unleaded gasoline. Meets SAE J30c, Type 30R7 requirements. I replaced all
hose clips with the fuel injector type. The fuel line is 5/16 or 7.9mm, I.D
with a much thicker wall. Made in USA KX UPC 3824416850. $5NZ/meter here
with hose clips 60cents NZ each. Replaced the whole system for $40NZ about
$25US!
So far so good.
Hope it lasts well.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph 0064 3 3515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel smell
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> The "fuel smell" is related to the type of fuel, and lines in the
aircraft.
> The factory now has available new 8mm, and 6mm flexible fuel line which I
> have yet to detect any smell from. This is close to what is referred to
as
> "fuel injection hose" at US auto part stores. It usually sells for about
$4
> / foot.
>
> We have also experimented with a marine grade "red stripe" (not to be
> confused with the Jamaican Beer) fuel line for the elbow with success if
> that is where your smell is.
>
> The last airplane that I test flew had no detectable fuel smell at all
with
> all using the new type flex hose & auto fuel.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> John Hurst
> Europa Aircraft
> Lakeland, FL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> McAllister
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel smell
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I know this is an old topic, but I have a faint smell of auto gas in my
> Europa. I have replaced the elbow with an aluminum one and tightened all
of
> the hose clips to no avail.
>
> I be interested in some best practices in debugging this problem.
>
> Paul
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Jeff,
I'll check my records stored at the hanger. I'll get back to you next couple days.
JIM
Rocketman wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Jim Brown wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >We used the Bob Archer antenna's. The com antenna is bonded on the left side
of
> >the fuselage behind the baggage compartment, the nav antenna is bonded overhead
> >in the baggage compartment, as per Bob Archers instructions. His transponder
is
> >bonded to the side of the fuselage behind the baggage compartment. The GPS
> >antenna is also setting on a ledge bonded to the side of the aircraft behind
the
> >baggage compartment.
> >
> >Jim
> >N398JB
> >
>
> Jim,
>
> It's about time to consider antennas for A055. Can you provide
> specifics on the antennas you used and provide contact info to
> contacting Bob Archer. Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
> N55XS Dot Com
>
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT - Alex Bauman -C-GGHY |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Peter,
Please pass along my congratulations to Alex. C-GCHY sounds like an
interesting Europa. If you or Alex have the opportunity, please pass
along a pic or three.
Great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
working chapters 23 Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical,
29 Main Gear & 34 Door Latches.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | rivet and ordernumbers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi List,
Need some TAPK33BS and TLPD424BS rivets. These are the part numbers as per
Europa manual, however i can't relate these to ACS parts. Is there some
conversion list?
While on the ordering part, do you have a source, part number for a 3/4
pin plug and contra, to make the electrical connections to the wings?
Thanks in advance,
Jos Okhuijsen, kit #600, getting closer to complete the wings.
--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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| Subject: | NAME CORRECTION-Alec Bowman |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Christine and Peter Timm <cptimm@telus.net>
Sincere apologies, to all for a misunderstanding.
I just have too many German relatives and I misspelled Alec Bowman's name,
unforgivably!
Alec, please forgive the mistake.
--
Chris Timm (who e-mails on behalf of Peter)
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| Subject: | to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
Hi Jim-
Send a fax to 301-320-3303.
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Nelson
Subject: Re: Europa-List: to build or not to build
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hi Chuck,
Yes I'll send you some details, do you have a fax number? My detail
sheet is full and to retype it is a pain. I'm asking $66K with
all my extras. Let me know.
Jim
On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:33:11 -0400 "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe"
> <cpops@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Jim-
>
> I've enjoyed having your expert input on lots of build matters! How
> much
> are you asking, and how can I access the info on Trade-a-plane. I'm
> not a
> member. Do you have the info on another location?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pops
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
> Nelson
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: to build or not to build
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson
> <europajim@juno.com>
>
> Chuck,
> Are you looking for a completed Europa? I just have one
> with
> trailer for sale. :-(((( I am in need for a larger aircraft and
> my
> wife wants to fly with me to greater distances with (more luggage) a
> bigger
> load. So It's on the block. Its in Trade-A-Plane with a web site
> with much
> details on it. I had a great time building the Mono-wheel and it
> flys so
> nice. Just what they said it would. I've got +75 hours on it.
>
> Jim Nelson
>
>
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 19:30:50 -0400 "Chuck Popenoe"
> <cpops@verizon.net>
> writes:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe"
> > <cpops@verizon.net>
> >
> > Tom- I think that you have received some good advice, but I'll
> throw
> > in my
> > $.02 worth----my experience follows...
> >
> > This thread really hits home for me! Some wise one once said
> that
> > you can't
> > build a Europa and expect to continue in your previous lifestyle,.
>
> > I began
> > A-036 back in '96 and started out with great enthusiasm. I have
> > since
> > recorded about 1000 hours effort, working almost entirely by
> myself,
> > and I
> > may now be as much as 1/3 finished. My problem is that I have far
>
> > too many
> > interests, which always conflict with building! I have built 3
> tube
> > &
> > fabric aircraft, all of which I still own and fly. My last
> project,
> > an Avid
> > Flyer, took me about 1200 hours to complete. I also have my own
>
> > business
> > to run, which takes a good bit of my time. We also have a 38'
> > cruising
> > ketch and a mountain vacation home. In my free time I always have
>
> > the
> > difficult choice, do I want to go flying, sailing or up to the
> > mountain or,
> > should I fill & sand on the Europa project. Unfortunately, the
> > choice is
> > always too easy--the Europa loses out.
> >
> > I would love to have the finished Europa-- without doubt the
> finest
> > handling
> > plane that I've ever flown. However, I'm now pushing 72 and at my
>
> > present
> > build rate, I could be pushing up daisys before getting to fly my
>
> > baby.
> > I've just now made the terrible decision to give it up and to
> > reluctantly
> > put my project up for sale. This has been one of the most
> > difficult
> > decisions of my life! It's hard to give up your dream, but buying
> a
> > finished
> > one would make more sense for me at this time. Anyone have a nice
>
> > one with
> > trailer for sale?
> >
> > Sadly,
> >
> > Pops A-036
> > classic monowheel
> >
> > All flying surfaces completed and fitted, wings not yet filled &
> > sanded. Upgrade to 1370 lb. MTOW completed. Undercarriage, baggage
> > bay, tailwheel &
> > all controls finished. Top not yet bonded on--a few items inside
>
> > left to
> > finish.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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05/06/2004 02:07:04 PM,
Serialize complete at 05/06/2004 02:07:04 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi All
I am interested in the US approach to aerobatic authorisation for the
Europa. From the discussions it does not seem to include any proof that
the
aeroplane is strong enough. From this side of the pond the theory seems
to
be that if you can demonstrate a manoeuvre in the first 40 hours without
ripping the wings off then all is ok. Am I missing some hidden point?
I did do some aeros with Pete Clark in G-YURO on the demo flight in
1992(?),
but subsequently discovered that the Europa would not be cleared in the
UK,
as I understood, because of differences in construction from the
demonstrator.
Pete
In the US, homebuilt aircraft do not require formal proof of structure,
just personal responsibility.
Unlike the PFA, the FAA does not require an Engineering Analysis in order
to install a cup holder.
In fact, a new builder's unique design for an aircraft can be certified
after inspection for construction
quality without any formal aerodynamic or structural analysis(NB, I don't
recommend this).
There is no subtle missing point, just a fundamental philosphical
difference in regulation.
It may well be that many in the UK would not consider building a homebuilt
in the US because they feel a
need for the PFA level of hand holding. I suspect however that many more
secretly yearn for much
less regulation, oversight and strangulation of initiative and progress.
BTW, I've seen at least one very early factory prototype and it was not
built with any superior
changes in technique from my XS(aside from the obvious), yet it had flown
in numerous airshows.
Also, at Lakeland with the factory demonstrator and company pilot, I
performed several aerobatic
maneuvers in 2001.
Each to their own preferences!
Cheers,
Ira, N224XS flying at last
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| Subject: | Drop of The Hat Friday 7th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
Totally frustrated with the weather, I spot a chance of a window tomorrow
( Fri 7th) and will have a go at Swansea for lunch. Voucher in Flyer.
Cheers, Paddy Clarke
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Me too!
During this year's annual I replaced all of my old braided fuel piping with
the latest spec from Europa.
It may be a coincidence, but the fuel smell has gone.
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel smell
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Paul,
> Concerning the fuel smell. Convinced it was the fuel pipes given to us
years
> ago by Europa, I took all mine out and sure enough they smelt badly. The
> walls are too thin . I have replaced them with Automotive Service Hose,
Fuel
> Line Hose, which have excellent resistance to oil, gasoline, grease and
> weather. All synthetic rubber construction reinforced with a single ply of
> braided cord within. Hypalon cover, Nitrile tube for use with leaded and
> unleaded gasoline. Meets SAE J30c, Type 30R7 requirements. I replaced all
> hose clips with the fuel injector type. The fuel line is 5/16 or 7.9mm,
I.D
> with a much thicker wall. Made in USA KX UPC 3824416850. $5NZ/meter here
> with hose clips 60cents NZ each. Replaced the whole system for $40NZ about
> $25US!
> So far so good.
> Hope it lasts well.
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8005
> New Zealand.
> Ph 0064 3 3515166
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel smell
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The "fuel smell" is related to the type of fuel, and lines in the
> aircraft.
> > The factory now has available new 8mm, and 6mm flexible fuel line which
I
> > have yet to detect any smell from. This is close to what is referred to
> as
> > "fuel injection hose" at US auto part stores. It usually sells for
about
> $4
> > / foot.
> >
> > We have also experimented with a marine grade "red stripe" (not to be
> > confused with the Jamaican Beer) fuel line for the elbow with success if
> > that is where your smell is.
> >
> > The last airplane that I test flew had no detectable fuel smell at all
> with
> > all using the new type flex hose & auto fuel.
> >
> > Hope that helps!
> >
> > John Hurst
> > Europa Aircraft
> > Lakeland, FL
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> > McAllister
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: Fuel smell
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I know this is an old topic, but I have a faint smell of auto gas in my
> > Europa. I have replaced the elbow with an aluminum one and tightened
all
> of
> > the hose clips to no avail.
> >
> > I be interested in some best practices in debugging this problem.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Carb balancing kit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
I seem to recall that the Europa Club has purchased a vacuum guage kit for balancing
the Rotax carbs. Can someone advise me how to get access to it for a couple
of days?
Best regards. Bryan
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| Subject: | Flexible Sanding Medium |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I probly dint make myself clear reagrding 'pillows'. These are
soft but wrapped in one direction so that they are a part-cylinder to
provide accession to the radius but with straight tendencies at 90deg to
same - thus matching varying radii as the sanding progresses. Sorry for the
possible misunderstanding
Ferg
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
| To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Europa-List: Flexible Sanding Medium
| | All,
| | I am wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to what ideas they have
come
| up
| | with for sanding filler on compound curves and for the inside radius on
| wing
| | fairings etc. | Kingsley Hurst Mono Classic 281 in Oz
|
| Kingsley,
| There are probably better suggestions but:
| I made up 'pillows' of cut foam, [garbage bags loosely fitted with small
| blocks of foam bought at local foam shop] , made to size and then casually
| wrapped wityh the applicable grit paper. They appear to accept the size of
| curve withoput being aggressive yet pliable and insistent.
| Hope it helps.
| Ferg A064
| PS Also used same ploy to make 'pillows' for squirming into tight but
| uncomfortable corners...........
|
|
|
|
|
|
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day to All,
I've been through the archive but was looking for some fresh viewpoints.
Now that many builders are into the flying stage I was wondering about the
results of people's decision on the brand of battery for their aircraft? Not the
position, but whether the battery has performed as expected. Any let downs or
"next time I'll get XYZ battery"?
I'm getting to build my battery box/mount and would like to make an informed
choice.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear assembled and soon
to be fitted.
Back from Sun-N-Fun with lots of ideas!
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| Subject: | Re: Carb balancing kit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Bryan,
Give Rowland a ring, or e-mail, because he co-ordinates the tools and should
be able to help you.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Carb balancing kit
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> I seem to recall that the Europa Club has purchased a vacuum guage kit for
balancing the Rotax carbs. Can someone advise me how to get access to it for
a couple of days?
>
> Best regards. Bryan
>
>
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| Subject: | Flexible Sanding Medium |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Do not archive
Understood thanks Ferg.
Kingsley
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I probly dint make myself clear reagrding 'pillows'. These
are
soft but wrapped in one direction so that they are a part-cylinder to
provide accession to the radius but with straight tendencies at 90deg to
same - thus matching varying radii as the sanding progresses. Sorry for
the
possible misunderstanding
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: to build or not to build |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Chuck,
Here is a pix of my a/c. I hope it helps.
Jim
On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:33:11 -0400 "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe"
> <cpops@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Jim-
>
> I've enjoyed having your expert input on lots of build matters! How
> much
> are you asking, and how can I access the info on Trade-a-plane. I'm
> not a
> member. Do you have the info on another location?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pops
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
> Nelson
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: to build or not to build
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson
> <europajim@juno.com>
>
> Chuck,
> Are you looking for a completed Europa? I just have one
> with
> trailer for sale. :-(((( I am in need for a larger aircraft and
> my
> wife wants to fly with me to greater distances with (more luggage) a
> bigger
> load. So It's on the block. Its in Trade-A-Plane with a web site
> with much
> details on it. I had a great time building the Mono-wheel and it
> flys so
> nice. Just what they said it would. I've got +75 hours on it.
>
> Jim Nelson
>
>
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 19:30:50 -0400 "Chuck Popenoe"
> <cpops@verizon.net>
> writes:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe"
> > <cpops@verizon.net>
> >
> > Tom- I think that you have received some good advice, but I'll
> throw
> > in my
> > $.02 worth----my experience follows...
> >
> > This thread really hits home for me! Some wise one once said
> that
> > you can't
> > build a Europa and expect to continue in your previous lifestyle,.
>
> > I began
> > A-036 back in '96 and started out with great enthusiasm. I have
> > since
> > recorded about 1000 hours effort, working almost entirely by
> myself,
> > and I
> > may now be as much as 1/3 finished. My problem is that I have far
>
> > too many
> > interests, which always conflict with building! I have built 3
> tube
> > &
> > fabric aircraft, all of which I still own and fly. My last
> project,
> > an Avid
> > Flyer, took me about 1200 hours to complete. I also have my own
>
> > business
> > to run, which takes a good bit of my time. We also have a 38'
> > cruising
> > ketch and a mountain vacation home. In my free time I always have
>
> > the
> > difficult choice, do I want to go flying, sailing or up to the
> > mountain or,
> > should I fill & sand on the Europa project. Unfortunately, the
> > choice is
> > always too easy--the Europa loses out.
> >
> > I would love to have the finished Europa-- without doubt the
> finest
> > handling
> > plane that I've ever flown. However, I'm now pushing 72 and at my
>
> > present
> > build rate, I could be pushing up daisys before getting to fly my
>
> > baby.
> > I've just now made the terrible decision to give it up and to
> > reluctantly
> > put my project up for sale. This has been one of the most
> > difficult
> > decisions of my life! It's hard to give up your dream, but buying
> a
> > finished
> > one would make more sense for me at this time. Anyone have a nice
>
> > one with
> > trailer for sale?
> >
> > Sadly,
> >
> > Pops A-036
> > classic monowheel
> >
> > All flying surfaces completed and fitted, wings not yet filled &
> > sanded.
> > Upgrade to 1370 lb. MTOW completed. Undercarriage, baggage bay,
> > tailwheel &
> > all controls finished. Top not yet bonded on--a few items inside
>
> > left to
> > finish.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
bryan allsop wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
>Me too!
>
>During this year's annual I replaced all of my old braided fuel piping with
>the latest spec from Europa.
>It may be a coincidence, but the fuel smell has gone.
>
>Bryan
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel smell
>
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>>
>>Paul,
>>Concerning the fuel smell. Convinced it was the fuel pipes given to us
>>
>>
>years
>
>
>>ago by Europa, I took all mine out and sure enough they smelt badly. The
>>walls are too thin . I have replaced them with Automotive Service Hose,
>>
>>
>Fuel
>
>
>>Line Hose, which have excellent resistance to oil, gasoline, grease and
>>weather. All synthetic rubber construction reinforced with a single ply of
>>braided cord within. Hypalon cover, Nitrile tube for use with leaded and
>>unleaded gasoline. Meets SAE J30c, Type 30R7 requirements. I replaced all
>>hose clips with the fuel injector type. The fuel line is 5/16 or 7.9mm,
>>
>>
>I.D
>
>
>>with a much thicker wall. Made in USA KX UPC 3824416850. $5NZ/meter here
>>with hose clips 60cents NZ each. Replaced the whole system for $40NZ about
>>$25US!
>>So far so good.
>>Hope it lasts well.
>>Cheers,
>>Tim
>>Tim Ward
>>12 Waiwetu Street,
>>Fendalton,
>>Christchurch, 8005
>>New Zealand.
>>Ph 0064 3 3515166
>>ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel smell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>The "fuel smell" is related to the type of fuel, and lines in the
>>>
>>>
>>aircraft.
>>
>>
>>>The factory now has available new 8mm, and 6mm flexible fuel line which
>>>
>>>
>I
>
>
>>>have yet to detect any smell from. This is close to what is referred to
>>>
>>>
>>as
>>
>>
>>>"fuel injection hose" at US auto part stores. It usually sells for
>>>
>>>
>about
>
>
>>$4
>>
>>
>>>/ foot.
>>>
>>>We have also experimented with a marine grade "red stripe" (not to be
>>>confused with the Jamaican Beer) fuel line for the elbow with success if
>>>that is where your smell is.
>>>
>>>The last airplane that I test flew had no detectable fuel smell at all
>>>
>>>
>>with
>>
>>
>>>all using the new type flex hose & auto fuel.
>>>
>>>Hope that helps!
>>>
>>>John Hurst
>>>Europa Aircraft
>>>Lakeland, FL
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
>>>McAllister
>>>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Europa-List: Fuel smell
>>>
>>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
>>><paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I know this is an old topic, but I have a faint smell of auto gas in my
>>>Europa. I have replaced the elbow with an aluminum one and tightened
>>>
>>>
>all
>
>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>the hose clips to no avail.
>>>
>>>I be interested in some best practices in debugging this problem.
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
We bonded the cockpit module into A055 last weekend, but before doing
so, plumbed all the fuel fittings with 5/16" (7.9mm) fuel injection
hose. Outstanding quality and less than $30 for the 25' roll. The hose
supplied in the kit is nowhere near the quality of this hose...
--
Jeff - A055
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