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1. 01:51 AM - Re: Flexible Sanding Medium (Neville Eyre)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Batteries (David Joyce)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Antennas (Jim Brown)
4. 06:48 AM - Rotax Regulator Wiring (John Cliff)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring (Gerry Holland)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring (Thesee Gilles)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: rivet and ordernumbers (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Fuel smell (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
9. 09:08 AM - trucking to flightcrafters (tom@tompaul.com)
10. 09:40 AM - Re: trucking to flightcrafters (Mike Baker)
11. 12:24 PM - Re: Aerobatics (Rowland Carson)
12. 12:24 PM - Re: Carb balancing kit (Rowland Carson)
13. 02:22 PM - Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring (Timothy.P.Ward)
14. 04:14 PM - Re: rivet and order numbers ()
15. 04:23 PM - Re: Aerobatics (Paul McAllister)
16. 04:49 PM - Re: Flexible Sanding Medium (Rocketman)
17. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Antennas (Rocketman)
18. 06:25 PM - Re: Flexible Sanding Medium (John & Amy Eckel)
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| Subject: | Flexible Sanding Medium |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
I use plastic plumbing pipes, available in 3/4'' , 1 1/2'' , 2'', and drain pipe
in 3'', with the paper glued on . There is enough flex in the pipes to be able
to blend in two directions.
Happy sanding ! ! !
Chers,
Nev.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Subject: Europa-List: Flexible Sanding Medium
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
All,
I am wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to what ideas they have come up
with for sanding filler on compound curves and for the inside radius on wing
fairings etc.
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Duane, The Hawker Energy Products 'Odyssey' Gas Recombinant battery 17 amp
hr battery has proved fantastic for my 914. It weighs 6kg, offers 245 amps
cranking, holds its charge for months and needs no maintenance. It spins the
engine most impressively. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Batteries
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good day to All,
>
> I've been through the archive but was looking for some fresh viewpoints.
>
> Now that many builders are into the flying stage I was wondering about the
> results of people's decision on the brand of battery for their aircraft?
Not the
> position, but whether the battery has performed as expected. Any let downs
or
> "next time I'll get XYZ battery"?
>
> I'm getting to build my battery box/mount and would like to make an
informed
> choice.
>
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins
and
> tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear assembled and
soon
> to be fitted.
> Back from Sun-N-Fun with lots of ideas!
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Jeff
On page # 461 of the Aircraft Spruce catalogue 2003-2004 there are several pictures
of the Bob Archer antenna for composite aircraft.
The last phone # I have for Bob Archer Sportcraft Antennas is 310-316-8796. Bob
has
a wealth of information and will share it. I was talking to him in 1999 during
our
build process and he was familiar with the Europa and made some suggestions on
the
installation in our aircraft. He at that time would sell direct.
There are all sorts of choices for antennas, and I'm sure any choice will be good.
For us the Bob Archer antennas have worked well in all sorts of cross countries.
Jim
Rocketman wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Jim Brown wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >We used the Bob Archer antenna's. The com antenna is bonded on the left side
of
> >the fuselage behind the baggage compartment, the nav antenna is bonded overhead
> >in the baggage compartment, as per Bob Archers instructions. His transponder
is
> >bonded to the side of the fuselage behind the baggage compartment. The GPS
> >antenna is also setting on a ledge bonded to the side of the aircraft behind
the
> >baggage compartment.
> >
> >Jim
> >N398JB
> >
>
> Jim,
>
> It's about time to consider antennas for A055. Can you provide
> specifics on the antennas you used and provide contact info to
> contacting Bob Archer. Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
> N55XS Dot Com
>
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| Subject: | Rotax Regulator Wiring |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
Anyone know what gauge wire is supposed to be used for the wire which earths the
casing of the Rotax regulator ?
What have people used successfully ?
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
John Hi!
> Anyone know what gauge wire is supposed to be used for the wire which earths
> the casing of the Rotax regulator ?
>
> What have people used successfully ?
I've used #10 gauge.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine and Prop getting Final fit. Fuel, Oil and Coolant very soon
Fuselage painted, Wings almost painted, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 70% done .
Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel, Designing Heater Unit, Shoulder Width Mod completed.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Thesee Gilles <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
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Objet: Europa-List: Rotax Regulator Wiring
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
> <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> Anyone know what gauge wire is supposed to be used for the wire
> which earths the
> casing of the Rotax regulator ?
>
> What have people used successfully ?
>
Cliff,
This earthing wire is the negative RETURN PATH for the alternator
current. Same gauge as the POSITIVE WIRE.
Must be capable of sustaining 20-25 amps.
Hope this helps,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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| Subject: | Re: rivet and ordernumbers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Jos,
I decided to use simple trailer connectors for my wing electrical. Simply
+12v, Gnd, and a synch line for the strobes. These connectors are made for tough
environmental conditions and easy to make and break.
I finished my wings months ago but have yet to close them. I just know that
something is going to come up and I'll want to put something else in there or
make some change. So, I'm waiting until the last minute to close them.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear assembled and soon
to be fitted.
Back from Sun-N-Fun with lots of ideas!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
Along this line I wanted to put out an observation that I just made. When I
started my project about 18 months ago, I was reading a thread about fuel
smell. Since I planned on installing a fuel sight gauge that is set forth in the
manual, I took a 7" piece of the Europa supplied tubing, clear tubing about
.450"/12mm OD and .325/8mm ID marked either TU23 or TUZ3 and put it in a clear
jar
of 87 octane unleaded California gasoline (petrol) with a sealed lid and
placed the jar outside my shop in the sunshine. It's now been 14 months and I just
removed it. While I can bend it without it breaking or cracking, it is
noticeably harder that when I first put it in and is also harder than the 1" portion
that was above the fuel level. This has caused that me to think that the seal
at a bard connection may be prone to seepage and can cause the fuel smell.
Questions:
1) Has anyone experienced any problem during normal use in their plane?
2) Anyone know the material these tubes are made from?
3) What alternatives have been used successfully?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear assembled and soon
to be fitted.
Back from Sun-N-Fun with lots of ideas!
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| Subject: | trucking to flightcrafters |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
I have decided to transport my kit from Long Beach, CA to
Flightcrafters in Florida. I need to move it by the end of this
month. Tricks are very expensive to rent so i am wondering if there
are any other builders in California who would like to send their kit
to Flightcrafers for some help. We could share a truck and save a lot
of money. It seems a 17 foot or longer truck runs around 3k and up,
plus gas, to Florida, so i would love to share that expense.
Thanks!
Tom Paul
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| Subject: | Re: trucking to flightcrafters |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
Build a crate and ship it by truck. could cost 1/2 as
much. I shipped my kit from fla to ks and it was
around 1/2 cost of doing myself. plus alot less time
involved.
--- "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com"
> <tom@tompaul.com>
>
> I have decided to transport my kit from Long Beach,
> CA to
> Flightcrafters in Florida. I need to move it by
> the end of this
> month. Tricks are very expensive to rent so i am
> wondering if there
> are any other builders in California who would like
> to send their kit
> to Flightcrafers for some help. We could share a
> truck and save a lot
> of money. It seems a 17 foot or longer truck runs
> around 3k and up,
> plus gas, to Florida, so i would love to share that
> expense.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tom Paul
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004 05 04 23:28 +0100 Pete Lawless wrote:
>the Europa would not be cleared in the UK,
>as I understood, because of differences in construction from the
>demonstrator
Pete - at the May 1998 Europa Club Seminar at The Mill on the Soar,
Francis Donaldson gave us the impression that aerobatic clearance
could be granted to the XS Europa, at reduced weight. Here are the
notes I made at the time of his presentation. I apologise for the
size of this posting, but I think most of it is probably relevant to
this topic:
>Francis Donaldson (PFA Engineering): Wing/spar ultimate load testing
>
>Europa weight = total lift = 1300 lbs (or 650 lb per wing)
>
>If 4G max allowed during operation, then lift per wing = 1300 * 4 /
>2 = 2600 lb
>
>Tail adds extra stress as its "lift" acts downwards, adding 5% to give 2730 lb
>
>Lift distributed across wings & fuselage, which is 44" out of 300",
>so wing load can be reduced by (300 - 44) / 300, giving 2329 lb
>
>Load can be reduced by the 80 lb weight of the wing itself (as each
>element of the wing has its own share of weight & lift). At 4G, this
>reduces loading required by 320 lb to 2009 lb.
>
>50% extra strength to be available for gusts, mistakes, overloads,
>etc - but entering this region will lead to permanent damage even if
>it gets you home. At ultimate load wing carries 1.5 * 2009 lb = 3013
>lb (or equivalent to 6G).
>
>Strength of composite structures more difficult to predict than
>conventional engineering materials, particularly as homebuilder's
>output will have more variability than a lab sample made under
>controlled conditions. Tests on composites require an extra factor
>of 1.3 to allow for this. Also the degradation of composite strength
>with temperature requires a total "composite" factor of 1.5, or that
>all tests be done at an elevated temperature of 54C. This comes to
>2009 * 2.25 = 4520.25 lb.
>
>Full load tests were required for the XS wing because its
>thin-section sandwich was more likely to buckle.
>
>In the Europa, the high angle-of-attack case is the critical one. In
>this situation the resultant force can actually be forward relative
>to neutral axis. To simulate this "anti-drag" force, the wing, when
>tested upside-down, had it s leading edge tilted down by about 12
>degrees.
>
>Some failures led to various modifications to the rear wing attach
>point. The final solution was a tie-rod across the rear fuselage (to
>carry tension loads), attached to the rear wing pins by a hinge (to
>allow flexing). This arrangement was taken to 9G without failure.
>
>(1) There is a potential for increase to 1370 lb gross weight
>clearance (but not for 912 80hp with fixed pitch prop).
>
>(2) Potential aerobatic clearance at reduced max gross weight (eg 1050 lb).
>
>(3) Safety margin increased from 1.5 to over 2.25 at normal ambient
>temperature.
>
>(4) Improved fatigue life of root pins (previously was maybe 3000 hours).
>
>Recommended that whole Europa fleet be modified to this standard,
>not urgently, but by next permit renewal.
I remember that Francis said that he'd done some back-of-an-envelope
calculations about the aerobatic clearance just before the seminar,
in anticipation of that very question, but hadn't done a formal
analysis.
It's my impression at present that he is still trying to get out from
under a big pile of work, and I believe his wife Kay may be unwell
again, plus of course he is involved in moving house from the south
coast. Thus, I suspect this is probably not the optimum time to
harangue him about aerobatic clearance for Europas. It's certainly
something I'd like to see, but of course I'm in no position to press
for it just yet!
Incidentally, I note that in the Kitplanes magazine (Dec 03) listing
of available kits, the Europa is listed with a gross weight of 1450
lbs. I wonder where that figure comes from? The only test results
I've ever seen published relate to the old 1300 lbs or the later 1370
lbs. Perhaps Europas built in USA are just stronger :-) Mind, you,
the Kitplanes list also shows the empty weight of the Europa tri-gear
as 750 lbs, so I guess you can't believe everything you read in the
papers! (Only G-BVGF comes close to that at 758 lbs and there are
only 2 other tri-gears under 800 lbs.)
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 670 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Carb balancing kit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004 05 06 08:04 +0100 bryan allsop wrote:
>the Europa Club has purchased a vacuum guage kit for balancing the
>Rotax carbs. Can someone advise me how to get access to it
Bryan - you need only ask the Membership Secretary - as it says,
(admittedly in not very big letters) on page one of every issue of
the "Europa Flyer".
I will get it off to you shortly. The Europa Club pays the outbound
postage, it's your responsibilty to get it back to me within 3 weeks.
Incidentally the job resides with me because I'm best placed to know
who is in current membership. If anyone else in the Europa Club would
care to be "tools officer" I'd be happy to let them look after the
holesaw, VSWR meter, and carb balancer, and to supply them with the
necessary data on current membership as needed.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (670 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Timothy.P.Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
John,
I used 20awg. Seems to work.
Cheers,
Tim
>
> From: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 14:42:48 +0100
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>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Anyone know what gauge wire is supposed to be used for the wire which earths
the
> casing of the Rotax regulator ?
>
> What have people used successfully ?
>
> John Cliff
> #0259
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | rivet and order numbers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Joe
Why don't you ask John Hurst in Lakeland about the rivet nos. If anyone
in the US knows, he should. I wondered the same thing back then and
eventually used something else.
Tom
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jos
Okhuijsen
Subject: Europa-List: rivet and ordernumbers
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi List,
Need some TAPK33BS and TLPD424BS rivets. These are the part numbers as
per
Europa manual, however i can't relate these to ACS parts. Is there some
conversion list?
While on the ordering part, do you have a source, part number for a 3/4
pin plug and contra, to make the electrical connections to the wings?
Thanks in advance,
Jos Okhuijsen, kit #600, getting closer to complete the wings.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Rowland,
Europa Aircraft have published on there WEB site the following *Max takeoff
weight can be increased to 1,450lb in the USA only
This can be seen on the bottom the page at
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Aircraft/EuropaXS.htm
I assume that like the gallon, a pound in the US weights less :-)......
Paul
do not archive
> Incidentally, I note that in the Kitplanes magazine (Dec 03) listing
> of available kits, the Europa is listed with a gross weight of 1450
> lbs. I wonder where that figure comes from? The only test results
> I've ever seen published relate to the old 1300 lbs or the later 1370
> lbs. Perhaps Europas built in USA are just stronger :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible Sanding Medium |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Neville Eyre wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
>
> Hi All,
>I use plastic plumbing pipes, available in 3/4'' , 1 1/2'' , 2'', and drain pipe
in 3'', with the paper glued on . There is enough flex in the pipes to be able
to blend in two directions.
>Happy sanding ! ! !
>Chers,
>Nev.
>
>
I found 1" PVC pipe to be perfect to sand the radius in the fettner
strips, where they blended into the trim tabs...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Jim Brown wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
>Jeff
>
>On page # 461 of the Aircraft Spruce catalogue 2003-2004 there are several pictures
>of the Bob Archer antenna for composite aircraft.
>
>The last phone # I have for Bob Archer Sportcraft Antennas is 310-316-8796. Bob
has
>a wealth of information and will share it. I was talking to him in 1999 during
our
>build process and he was familiar with the Europa and made some suggestions on
the
>installation in our aircraft. He at that time would sell direct.
>
>There are all sorts of choices for antennas, and I'm sure any choice will be good.
>For us the Bob Archer antennas have worked well in all sorts of cross countries.
>
>Jim
>
Thanks Jim...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible Sanding Medium |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Jeff,
Thanks for sharing your pictures with us. I noticed in one picture that
your
wife is cutting strips of glass to make small pieces which I assume are to
make
up 2 inch wide pieces.
A while back I was shown a method for doing this that has made it easier
for me.
If the plans call for a piece 2 inches wide by 10 inches long I draw that
size on a piece of 2 mill plastic drop cloth with a Sharpie marker. I then
turn the plastic over or the ink will be dissolved by the epoxy in the next
step. I lay a piece of glass on the plastic and then put epoxy on it. I
next
squeegee off the excess epoxy and cut the shape with a rotary fabric cutter.
I am using an OLFA, your wife will probably know. Pick the piece up with
the plastic still attached and put it where needed, plastic side up of
course.
Once in place peel the plastic off and do the final fitting with a brush.
Any time I have to put BID in place I wet it and cut it to size first.
If I have to make multiple layers I either put several layers on the plastic
before
wetting, or make single layers and place one on top of the other while still
on
the bench. Also, when several 2 X ? tapes have to be made I draw several
at a time and then just cut on the lines to make the individual parts.
Hope this helps meet your one year target.
John, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flexible Sanding Medium
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Neville Eyre wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre"
<neville@europa-aircraft.com>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >I use plastic plumbing pipes, available in 3/4'' , 1 1/2'' , 2'', and
drain pipe in 3'', with the paper glued on . There is enough flex in the
pipes to be able to blend in two directions.
> >Happy sanding ! ! !
> >Chers,
> >Nev.
> >
> >
> I found 1" PVC pipe to be perfect to sand the radius in the fettner
> strips, where they blended into the trim tabs...
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
> Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
>
>
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