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1. 03:19 AM - Re: Europa Club 'Tour de France, 19-26/6/04 (David Joyce)
2. 03:19 AM - Re: flash generator units (David Joyce)
3. 04:38 AM - Re: Cooling (Robert Berube)
4. 04:46 AM - Re: Cooling (Robert Berube)
5. 04:57 AM - Re: Cooling/Firewall (KARL HEINDL)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Cooling (Rob Housman)
7. 03:51 PM - Email test not need to read.. (steved)
8. 04:24 PM - Re: Cooling (Rocketman)
9. 04:46 PM - Sad News (Robert Berube)
10. 11:07 PM - Re: Aerobatics (David Legge dlegge)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club 'Tour de France, 19-26/6/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Simon, Thanks. It was a slip of the typewriter, or possibly the grey cells,
and Reims Prunay is our planned stop. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Miles <Simon.Miles@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club 'Tour de France, 19-26/6/04
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Simon Miles <Simon.Miles@skynet.be>
>
>
> David,
>
> You mention that you intend to visit Reims Champagne(LFSR) as one of the
> stops during your proposed tour.
>
> In my experience LFSR is not available to GA (because it is a military
> field - nevertheless, I have never been refused a zone transit) so
> instead you must use Reims Prunay (LFQA).
>
> Prunay is very friendly, has customs and a good on-airfield
> restaurant/bar and hotel and Avgas. You'll find the staff at Prunay
> extremely helpful and they are excellent speakers of English. It is one
> of my favourite destinations (and, for me, as I'm based in Brussels, not
> too far away!).
>
> If you can stay overnight you really should make the effort to visit
> Reims itself. In my opinion, Riems is a superb destination on its own
> with great architecture, Champagne houses, good hotels and excellent
> shopping (so I'm told by my other half!). It's a bit of a trek from the
> UK but if combined with a trip to nearby Troyes (LFQB) it makes for an
> excellent weekend break.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Simon Miles,
> Builder #508,
> Currently flying C172 OO-SEY.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flash generator units |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Brian, My flasher unit is attached to the baggage bay support and the cable
runs to the fintip right past my Bob Archer RT antenna. There has never been
any hint of interference. Regards David
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: flash generator units
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 4/21/2004 1:03:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:
>
> > In addition we spoke of where to install the box. I mentioned that many
> > have
> > chosen to install in the wing in hopes of eliminating flash noise on the
> > Com.
> > He said that so long that the Whelin unit was directly grounded to
battery,
> > and shielded wiring was used it should not be a problem for cockpit
> > installation. Additionaly he noted that the wire shielding could have a
lug
> > attached and
> > grounded to the mounting screws on the box for enhanced protection.
> >
> > All this being said I'm still looking for feed back from fellow
builders.
> > Opinions please!
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> I installed a 2 strobe Whelen with remote power supply in my Citabria and
> have the same unit I'm installing in my Europa. I've got about a year of
flying
> with the Whelen in the Citabria now. I have a Flightcom intercom installed
and
> use Lightspeed ANC headsets. People tell me they can really see the
strobes,
> even in bright sunlight, and I don't hear a peep when they fire on the
> headsets. I grounded the shield wire of the strobe feed wire to the power
supply box
> mounting bolts using a solderless terminal, leaving the other end of the
shield
> at the light ungrounded. I see no reason why noise would be an issue with
> this unit.
>
> Hope it helps!
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245 (Wiring, wiring, wiring)
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Cliff,
I believe "hate" was the reason for looking at another option.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cooling
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Bob
OK , I understand that . I thought the SS was used on every ones plane.
Thanks for letting me in on another "mod". I hate those SS panels.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cooling
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Cliff,
> I think Jim is referring to tri-gears that go thru our shop. We do not
use
> the firewall sheet metal as shown in the drawings. We put a bulkhead just
> aft of the gear cut out. This allows more cooling air to pass thru the
> cowling. Most engines, even the 914 tend to run much cooler we have
found.
> The monowheel suffers with the small opening apparently caused by the
> swinging arm stuffing the exiting air from the cowling.
>
> Bob Berube N166BB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cooling
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> All
>
> I will but in here.
>
> If the Europa is built as the book says, the stainless steel firewall
pieces
> that cover the opening to the tunnel and the landing gear blocks off the
air
> flow exactly the same on either model. No difference there. The reason,
I
> think, that trigear Europas have better cooling is that the lower cowling
is
> cut away for the nose gear.
>
> Sorry to but in, but I can't see bad info being spread about without
saying
> something.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
> flying and loving it.
>
> > Karl,
> > The design of the Mono-wheel landing gear produces much stuff
> > where the air leaves the cowling. This restriction causes the engine
> > compartment to over heat when on the ground for any length of time. The
> > Tri gear has no such stuff in the way of the air which is leaving the
> > engine compartment. Thus,
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Jeff,
We use a small diameter nylon fairlead made from Nylaflow or Nylow Seal
tubing bonded to the bulkhead. Don't forget to use firewall material on the
bulkhead and tunnel sides. A good product is the "Firewall 2000" kit sold
in Aircraft Spruce. Sorry do not have the part number at hand but "fwkit"
Sounds somewhat familiar.
Bob Berube N166BB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rocketman
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cooling
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Robert Berube wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Cliff,
>I think Jim is referring to tri-gears that go thru our shop. We do not use
>the firewall sheet metal as shown in the drawings. We put a bulkhead just
>aft of the gear cut out. This allows more cooling air to pass thru the
>cowling. Most engines, even the 914 tend to run much cooler we have found.
>The monowheel suffers with the small opening apparently caused by the
>swinging arm stuffing the exiting air from the cowling.
>
>Bob Berube N166BB
>
>
>
Bob,
That makes sense. How do you handle the rudder cables, through the
bulkhead?
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Cooling/Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
I also couldn't face fiddling with the ss panels and I installed a proper firewall
kit supplied by Graham Singleton. It costs money but saved a lot of time.
I am not sure how it relates to cooling but it is bound to be a good insulator,
and I don't find my cockpit any hotter than any other plane I have flown.
Karl
From: "Robert Berube" bberube@tampabay.rr.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cooling
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" bberube@tampabay.rr.com
Cliff,
I think Jim is referring to tri-gears that go thru our shop.We do not use
the firewall sheet metal as shown in the drawings.We put a bulkhead just
aft of the gear cut out.This allows more cooling air to pass thru the
cowling.Most engines, even the 914 tend to run much cooler we have found.
The monowheel suffers with the small opening apparently caused by the
swinging arm stuffing the exiting air from the cowling.
Bob Berube N166BB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cooling
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" flyinggpa@comcast.net
All
I will but in here.
If the Europa is built as the book says, the stainless steel firewall pieces
that cover the opening to the tunnel and the landing gear blocks off the air
flow exactly the same on either model.No difference there.The reason,I
think, that trigear Europas have better cooling is that the lower cowling is
cut away for the nose gear.
Sorry to but in, but I can't see bad info being spread about without saying
something.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
flying and loving it.
Karl,
The design of the Mono-wheel landing gear produces much stuff
where the air leaves the cowling.This restriction causes the engine
compartment to over heat when on the ground for any length of time.The
Tri gear has no such stuff in the way of the air which is leaving the
engine compartment.Thus,
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Thanks for the tip, Bob. I've already made two unsatisfactory sets of the
factory's SS sheet firewall (with gaping holes for the rudder cables) and
will be replacing the current installation per your suggestion.
The ACS part number for "Firewall 2000 Ceramic Blanket" is FW2000 (US$32.70
per linear foot for 24 inch wide blanket material), the Firewall 2000 Caulk
p/n is FWCAULK (US$22.85), and the Firewall 2000 Kit, consisting of one tube
of caulk and 24 inch X 48 inch sheet of the blanket, is p/n FWKIT
(US$121.95). Prices are from the 2002-2003 catalog.
And the fun part is that the caulk is listed in the catalog as (I'm not
making this up) "flammable." We can only hope that means the uncured caulk.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Berube
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cooling
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Jeff,
We use a small diameter nylon fairlead made from Nylaflow or Nylow Seal
tubing bonded to the bulkhead. Don't forget to use firewall material on the
bulkhead and tunnel sides. A good product is the "Firewall 2000" kit sold
in Aircraft Spruce. Sorry do not have the part number at hand but "fwkit"
Sounds somewhat familiar.
Bob Berube N166BB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rocketman
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cooling
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Robert Berube wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Cliff,
>I think Jim is referring to tri-gears that go thru our shop. We do not use
>the firewall sheet metal as shown in the drawings. We put a bulkhead just
>aft of the gear cut out. This allows more cooling air to pass thru the
>cowling. Most engines, even the 914 tend to run much cooler we have found.
>The monowheel suffers with the small opening apparently caused by the
>swinging arm stuffing the exiting air from the cowling.
>
>Bob Berube N166BB
>
>
Bob,
That makes sense. How do you handle the rudder cables, through the
bulkhead?
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Email test not need to read.. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steved" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
I'm testing the Email link feature of the EuropaOwners Forum.
Thanks,
Steved
Do Not Archive
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Email Sent using EuropaOwnersForum (http://forum.okhuijsen.org/)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Robert Berube wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Jeff,
>We use a small diameter nylon fairlead made from Nylaflow or Nylow Seal
>tubing bonded to the bulkhead. Don't forget to use firewall material on the
>bulkhead and tunnel sides. A good product is the "Firewall 2000" kit sold
>in Aircraft Spruce. Sorry do not have the part number at hand but "fwkit"
>Sounds somewhat familiar.
>
>Bob Berube N166BB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rocketman
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cooling
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
>Robert Berube wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
>>
>>
><bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>
>>Cliff,
>>I think Jim is referring to tri-gears that go thru our shop. We do not use
>>the firewall sheet metal as shown in the drawings. We put a bulkhead just
>>aft of the gear cut out. This allows more cooling air to pass thru the
>>cowling. Most engines, even the 914 tend to run much cooler we have found.
>>The monowheel suffers with the small opening apparently caused by the
>>swinging arm stuffing the exiting air from the cowling.
>>
>>Bob Berube N166BB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Bob,
>
>That makes sense. How do you handle the rudder cables, through the
>bulkhead?
>
>
>
Bob,
Thanks for the great info. I've got the latest Spruce in front of me
and will be looking up the parts you've suggested. Sounds like a much
better option than dinking around with the sheetmetal...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Some sad news today losing one of our own. Toni Stephan called me to let me
know that her husband Hal was killed last week in a crash of his Grumman.
Hal was a Europa XS Monowheel builder with both long and short wings and
spent time with us at Flight Crafters working on his project. She indicated
that Hal was on a test flight checking repairs that had been made. Normal
takeoff and starting a left turn at about 500 ft something happened.
According to preliminary investigation, the FAA is looking at wind shear due
to the climatic conditions at the time.
Our condolences to his wife Toni and his family and friends in the
Minneapolis area.
His project is for sale and is complete with both sets of wings done,
fuselage done, 914 installed. All that needs is finish/paint, some work on
the panel. It includes a 24ft. enclosed trailer that will carry both sets
of wings and fuselage. As soon as a price is established, I will post it
for her in the event anyone is interested.
Regards,
Bob Berube
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Legge dlegge" <dlegge@socal.rr.com>
This brings to mind a question I have had. I understand the rules in the US
to be as Terry says. You can only perform activities during post test phase
flights that were expressly performed during the test phase. If you don't
simulate a passenger, you can not have one on board as an example.
But, my question is, while I know the Europa can perform mild aerobatic
maneuvers, I would like to have some feeling for the criteria the aircraft
was engineered for. In other words, what level of aerobatics was engineered
into the design.
So far in the build process the engineering has always become clear as I
went along. But, when I look at the internal Rib and the bonding to the
torque tube bushing, I am not sure it was designed for the kind of loads
that a spin might impart on the tailplane. Perhaps it's just my ignorance
at work.
Is there anybody out there who regularly performs aerobatics in their
Europa? If so, what is the maximum weight and airspeeds do you regularly
perform your maneuvers under? When I reach the flight test phase I would
like to incorporate some maneuvers into the plan but I would rather avoid
determining the structural maximum of the aircraft while in flight.
Thanks
David Legge
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Seaver
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aerobatics
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Here in the US we were told by the FAA inspector that aerobatics would
be allowed in our plane if they were flown (demonstrated) during the 40
hour restriction fly-off, and list the maneuvers flown (with the
associated entry speeds) in the aircraft log book. XS monowheel N135TD
is therefore legal for spins, loops, rolls, and wing-overs. In the
absense of inverted oil and fuel systems, we chose not to fly hammer
heads with our Europa, due to the possibility of tail slides if the
engine quit near the top (too bad, hammer heads are one of my favorites).
regards,
Terry Seaver
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>"p.s. the Europa is not certified to do aerobatics, although some pilots do
>the standard positive g maneuvers like rolls and loops, but only when
no-one
>is looking."
>
>That may be true in Karl's parish, but does not apply in other counties. In
>some you can qualify for simple aerobatics by demonstrating before a
>qualified inspector. Some are content to watch from the ground.
>Ferg
>A064
>
>
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