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1. 06:24 AM - Re: Aerobatics (tom@tompaul.com)
2. 09:11 AM - anyone have a crate in southern CA? (tom@tompaul.com)
3. 10:42 AM - Rotax Regulator Wiring (Richard Holder)
4. 01:30 PM - Top On! (Raimo Toivio)
5. 02:29 PM - Re: Aerobatics (Pete Lawless)
6. 02:31 PM - Re: anyone have a crate in southern CA? (KARL HEINDL)
7. 02:38 PM - Crating the XS (steved)
8. 03:56 PM - Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring (n3eu@comcast.net)
9. 04:22 PM - Re: Aerobatics (Robert Berube)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
this is a very interesting topic, as i was attracted to the Europa
specifically because of its stated and demonstrated ability to do basic
aerobatics. I won't try snap-rolls, hammerheads or lomcevacs (no idea
how to spell that) but loops, rolls, spins, and the sort i do look
forward to doing on a regular basis. Is there anyone out there who
considers the Europa ill-prepared for this type of flying?
Thanks!
Tom
On May 13, 2004, at 2:03 AM, David Legge dlegge wrote:
> This brings to mind a question I have had. I understand the rules in
> the US
> to be as Terry says. You can only perform activities during post test
> phase
> flights that were expressly performed during the test phase. If you
> don't
> simulate a passenger, you can not have one on board as an example.
>
> But, my question is, while I know the Europa can perform mild aerobatic
> maneuvers, I would like to have some feeling for the criteria the
> aircraft
> was engineered for. In other words, what level of aerobatics was
> engineered
> into the design.
>
> So far in the build process the engineering has always become clear as
> I
> went along. But, when I look at the internal Rib and the bonding to the
> torque tube bushing, I am not sure it was designed for the kind of
> loads
> that a spin might impart on the tailplane. Perhaps it's just my
> ignorance
> at work.
>
> Is there anybody out there who regularly performs aerobatics in their
> Europa? If so, what is the maximum weight and airspeeds do you
> regularly
> perform your maneuvers under? When I reach the flight test phase I
> would
> like to incorporate some maneuvers into the plan but I would rather
> avoid
> determining the structural maximum of the aircraft while in flight.
>
> Thanks
>
> David Legge
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| Subject: | anyone have a crate in southern CA? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
Hi All,
As i prepare to ship my kit to Flightcrafters, i see that i need a
crate. I would appreciate any info regarding the availability of one
or the design and or the key elements of a design of one. Can i just
hire a company to build one? Should it be one crate for everything?
The kit is a mono XS with short wings and no engine. Any help
appreciated. I want to do this asap, maybe even next week.
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Rotax Regulator Wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
I flew today with my new piece of 12 AWG from the rectifier-regular to
earth.
It didn't make any difference that I could see !
I have one of those strange earthing faults that I will find eventually -
although a consistent reading (no matter what it is is the most important
thing).
I have been trying to determine some basic facts.
I know that if a temperature sender is disconnected the gauge reads low
scale. I know that if the temp sender wire is shorted to earth the gauge
reads high scale.
What I don't know is these two equivalent statements in the case of the oil
pressure sender. My memory when building was that something did something
strange. I think the oil pressure cable if shorted to earth gives zero
reading and if open circuit gives full scale. I THINK. I would have to take
the lower cowl off to check this. Is there anyone with their engine cowlings
open who could do the test for me ?
At present once warm and 5000 my oil pressure gauge reads 3.1 bar. This goes
up to 4 bar when the engine is idling (!!!!!!). There are a number of
possibilities
1. The oil pressure ACTUALLY goes up at idle
2. That lower volts at idle gives a higher reading
3. A poor earth somewhere is causing a a connection back through another
instrument.
Originally in the cruise the oil pressure would be 3.1 or 4 bar, and would
change back and forth at 5 or 10 minute intervals, and the two temp gauges
would move in unison. This implied an earthing problem, so I connected up a
special uncut cable directly from the earth bus for the instruments to the
engine block. I was expecting this to stabilise the fluctuations, which it
did, but I was expecting it to stabilise at the higher reading - and it
didn't - it stabilised at the lower reading!
With the open circuit and shorted details for the oil pressure sender I
might be able to work out the logic ! Maybe !
I will also try connecting my special earth cable to the case of the
regulator rather than the engine block.
TIA
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Hi All and Svein expressly!
My top is today finally bonded on
and wanna share my experiences:
- it took Redux 3 x 105 g (75+30) = 315 g
- about 50 g was wiped off
- it took 20 clecos and about 100 pcs of self-tapping screws
- three man
- 3 hours (1 for preparation, 1 for bonding and 1 for finishing)
- starting temparature was 16,0C and humidity 53%
- after all 24,7C and 32%, stable
- levelling spar pins and torque tube 0,00 degrees
- levelling fin by plumb line exactly 90 degrees
- after all my wife thought we deserved one bottle of
Laurent Perrier brut and so it was my first Europa champagne
The most important thing: few days ago Svein from Oslo
recommend me to install plywood block between lower
fuselage sides just front of torque tube to prevent TT binding.
I noticed that without this block TT comes very easy stiff
when top is on.
I am very grateful for Svein from this golden advice and
will recommed it for everybody. Stiff TT is not very sexy.
This evening was a milestone for me.
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
Raimo M W Toivio
RWM-SYSTEMS
37500 Lempaala, FINLAND
tel +358 3 3753 777
fax +358 3 3753 100
gsm +358 40 590 1450
www.rwm.fi
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi Rowland
Thanks for the info. As mine is a Classic wing I guess there will be no
progress. Never mind it is fun to fly. Maybe one day when no one is
looking? The CAA don't monitor these list do they?
Pete
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| Subject: | anyone have a crate in southern CA? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Tom,
If it was me, I would get some quotes from the shipping companies, the ones who
ship containers, maybe John Hurst could give you a reference. You pay a fixed
rate for the container (a 20' one is fine), and they drop it at the point of
loading and give you a half or full day to load.
Any of the overseas shipping companies should be able to do it for you.
Karl
From: "tom@tompaul.com" tom@tompaul.com
Subject: Europa-List: anyone have a crate in southern CA?
-- Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" tom@tompaul.com
Hi All,
As i prepare to ship my kit to Flightcrafters, i see that i need a
crate.I would appreciate any info regarding the availability of one
or the design and or the key elements of a design of one.Can i just
hire a company to build one?Should it be one crate for everything?
The kit is a mono XS with short wings and no engine.Any help
appreciated.I want to do this asap, maybe even next week.
Thanks,
Tom
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steved" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Is the body still in it build cradle? If it is I'd put it in the truck and screw
gun it to the floor. You could add some 2X4 bracing's. If it's out the the cradle
and the previous owner still has it. Put it back in, The holes will be easy
to fix.
Steved.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Richard Holder wrote:
> ...I know that if a temperature sender is disconnected the
> gauge reads low scale. I know that if the temp sender wire is
> shorted to earth the gauge reads high scale.
I can't help on your problem, but don't compare behavior of the pressure
and temperature senders, with disconnected or grounded wires. On the
temp sender, one side of its resistive sensing element is grounded inside
the sender. On the pressure sender, both sides of the resistor are available.
What this means is that the circuitry inside the display instrument will be
entirely different. For starters, temp sender: higher resistance -> lower
reading and it's nonlinear. Pressure sender is the opposite, and linear.
Regards,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Hi Pete,
G-ELSA was a Classic and did quite a number of air shows doing elegant
aerobatics with Pete Clark at the controls.
Bob Berube N166BB
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Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aerobatics
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi Rowland
Thanks for the info. As mine is a Classic wing I guess there will be no
progress. Never mind it is fun to fly. Maybe one day when no one is
looking? The CAA don't monitor these list do they?
Pete
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