---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/13/04: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:24 AM - Re: Aerobatics (tom@tompaul.com) 2. 09:11 AM - anyone have a crate in southern CA? (tom@tompaul.com) 3. 10:42 AM - Rotax Regulator Wiring (Richard Holder) 4. 01:30 PM - Top On! (Raimo Toivio) 5. 02:29 PM - Re: Aerobatics (Pete Lawless) 6. 02:31 PM - Re: anyone have a crate in southern CA? (KARL HEINDL) 7. 02:38 PM - Crating the XS (steved) 8. 03:56 PM - Re: Rotax Regulator Wiring (n3eu@comcast.net) 9. 04:22 PM - Re: Aerobatics (Robert Berube) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:21 AM PST US From: "tom@tompaul.com" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aerobatics --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" this is a very interesting topic, as i was attracted to the Europa specifically because of its stated and demonstrated ability to do basic aerobatics. I won't try snap-rolls, hammerheads or lomcevacs (no idea how to spell that) but loops, rolls, spins, and the sort i do look forward to doing on a regular basis. Is there anyone out there who considers the Europa ill-prepared for this type of flying? Thanks! Tom On May 13, 2004, at 2:03 AM, David Legge dlegge wrote: > This brings to mind a question I have had. I understand the rules in > the US > to be as Terry says. You can only perform activities during post test > phase > flights that were expressly performed during the test phase. If you > don't > simulate a passenger, you can not have one on board as an example. > > But, my question is, while I know the Europa can perform mild aerobatic > maneuvers, I would like to have some feeling for the criteria the > aircraft > was engineered for. In other words, what level of aerobatics was > engineered > into the design. > > So far in the build process the engineering has always become clear as > I > went along. But, when I look at the internal Rib and the bonding to the > torque tube bushing, I am not sure it was designed for the kind of > loads > that a spin might impart on the tailplane. Perhaps it's just my > ignorance > at work. > > Is there anybody out there who regularly performs aerobatics in their > Europa? If so, what is the maximum weight and airspeeds do you > regularly > perform your maneuvers under? When I reach the flight test phase I > would > like to incorporate some maneuvers into the plan but I would rather > avoid > determining the structural maximum of the aircraft while in flight. > > Thanks > > David Legge ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:11 AM PST US From: "tom@tompaul.com" Subject: Europa-List: anyone have a crate in southern CA? --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" Hi All, As i prepare to ship my kit to Flightcrafters, i see that i need a crate. I would appreciate any info regarding the availability of one or the design and or the key elements of a design of one. Can i just hire a company to build one? Should it be one crate for everything? The kit is a mono XS with short wings and no engine. Any help appreciated. I want to do this asap, maybe even next week. Thanks, Tom ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:12 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Regulator Wiring From: Richard Holder --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder I flew today with my new piece of 12 AWG from the rectifier-regular to earth. It didn't make any difference that I could see ! I have one of those strange earthing faults that I will find eventually - although a consistent reading (no matter what it is is the most important thing). I have been trying to determine some basic facts. I know that if a temperature sender is disconnected the gauge reads low scale. I know that if the temp sender wire is shorted to earth the gauge reads high scale. What I don't know is these two equivalent statements in the case of the oil pressure sender. My memory when building was that something did something strange. I think the oil pressure cable if shorted to earth gives zero reading and if open circuit gives full scale. I THINK. I would have to take the lower cowl off to check this. Is there anyone with their engine cowlings open who could do the test for me ? At present once warm and 5000 my oil pressure gauge reads 3.1 bar. This goes up to 4 bar when the engine is idling (!!!!!!). There are a number of possibilities 1. The oil pressure ACTUALLY goes up at idle 2. That lower volts at idle gives a higher reading 3. A poor earth somewhere is causing a a connection back through another instrument. Originally in the cruise the oil pressure would be 3.1 or 4 bar, and would change back and forth at 5 or 10 minute intervals, and the two temp gauges would move in unison. This implied an earthing problem, so I connected up a special uncut cable directly from the earth bus for the instruments to the engine block. I was expecting this to stabilise the fluctuations, which it did, but I was expecting it to stabilise at the higher reading - and it didn't - it stabilised at the lower reading! With the open circuit and shorted details for the oil pressure sender I might be able to work out the logic ! Maybe ! I will also try connecting my special earth cable to the case of the regulator rather than the engine block. TIA Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:02 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: Top On! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" Hi All and Svein expressly! My top is today finally bonded on and wanna share my experiences: - it took Redux 3 x 105 g (75+30) = 315 g - about 50 g was wiped off - it took 20 clecos and about 100 pcs of self-tapping screws - three man - 3 hours (1 for preparation, 1 for bonding and 1 for finishing) - starting temparature was 16,0C and humidity 53% - after all 24,7C and 32%, stable - levelling spar pins and torque tube 0,00 degrees - levelling fin by plumb line exactly 90 degrees - after all my wife thought we deserved one bottle of Laurent Perrier brut and so it was my first Europa champagne The most important thing: few days ago Svein from Oslo recommend me to install plywood block between lower fuselage sides just front of torque tube to prevent TT binding. I noticed that without this block TT comes very easy stiff when top is on. I am very grateful for Svein from this golden advice and will recommed it for everybody. Stiff TT is not very sexy. This evening was a milestone for me. Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT #417 OH-CVK OH-BLL 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi Raimo M W Toivio RWM-SYSTEMS 37500 Lempaala, FINLAND tel +358 3 3753 777 fax +358 3 3753 100 gsm +358 40 590 1450 www.rwm.fi raimo.toivio@rwm.fi ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:47 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aerobatics --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" Hi Rowland Thanks for the info. As mine is a Classic wing I guess there will be no progress. Never mind it is fun to fly. Maybe one day when no one is looking? The CAA don't monitor these list do they? Pete --- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:23 PM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: RE: Europa-List: anyone have a crate in southern CA? --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Tom, If it was me, I would get some quotes from the shipping companies, the ones who ship containers, maybe John Hurst could give you a reference. You pay a fixed rate for the container (a 20' one is fine), and they drop it at the point of loading and give you a half or full day to load. Any of the overseas shipping companies should be able to do it for you. Karl From: "tom@tompaul.com" tom@tompaul.com Subject: Europa-List: anyone have a crate in southern CA? -- Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" tom@tompaul.com Hi All, As i prepare to ship my kit to Flightcrafters, i see that i need a crate.I would appreciate any info regarding the availability of one or the design and or the key elements of a design of one.Can i just hire a company to build one?Should it be one crate for everything? The kit is a mono XS with short wings and no engine.Any help appreciated.I want to do this asap, maybe even next week. Thanks, Tom ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Crating the XS From: "steved" --> Europa-List message posted by: "steved" Is the body still in it build cradle? If it is I'd put it in the truck and screw gun it to the floor. You could add some 2X4 bracing's. If it's out the the cradle and the previous owner still has it. Put it back in, The holes will be easy to fix. Steved. ---------------- Email Sent using EuropaOwnersForum (http://forum.okhuijsen.org/) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:43 PM PST US From: n3eu@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax Regulator Wiring --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net Richard Holder wrote: > ...I know that if a temperature sender is disconnected the > gauge reads low scale. I know that if the temp sender wire is > shorted to earth the gauge reads high scale. I can't help on your problem, but don't compare behavior of the pressure and temperature senders, with disconnected or grounded wires. On the temp sender, one side of its resistive sensing element is grounded inside the sender. On the pressure sender, both sides of the resistor are available. What this means is that the circuitry inside the display instrument will be entirely different. For starters, temp sender: higher resistance -> lower reading and it's nonlinear. Pressure sender is the opposite, and linear. Regards, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:42 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aerobatics --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Hi Pete, G-ELSA was a Classic and did quite a number of air shows doing elegant aerobatics with Pete Clark at the controls. Bob Berube N166BB -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aerobatics --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" Hi Rowland Thanks for the info. As mine is a Classic wing I guess there will be no progress. Never mind it is fun to fly. Maybe one day when no one is looking? The CAA don't monitor these list do they? Pete ---