Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:17 AM - Re: Throttle Cable (Troy Maynor)
2. 07:17 AM - Top Going On (Al Stills)
3. 08:14 AM - Re: Fuel system Tidbits (Jerry Rehn)
4. 08:40 AM - Re: Top Going On (John & Amy Eckel)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Top Going On (Al Stills)
6. 08:58 AM - Re: Top Going On (John & Amy Eckel)
7. 09:04 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/19/04 (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
8. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/19/04 (Cliff Shaw)
9. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/19/04 (Paul McAllister)
10. 10:37 AM - Top On (DvdPar@aol.com)
11. 10:50 AM - Re: Top On (Peter Zutrauen)
12. 12:15 PM - First time user (Carpenter, Matt)
13. 12:52 PM - europa club subscriptions running out (Rowland Carson)
14. 01:01 PM - Autopilot (Karel Vranken)
15. 01:32 PM - Re: Autopilot (Gerry Holland)
16. 01:47 PM - Re: Autopilot (Duncan McFadyean)
17. 03:31 PM - Re: Top On (Paul McAllister)
18. 03:38 PM - Re: First time user (Paul McAllister)
19. 03:51 PM - Re: Top On (Alan Stills)
20. 03:55 PM - Re: Top On (Alan Stills)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: Top On (Rocketman)
22. 08:10 PM - Re: Top On (Paul McAllister)
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley"
<erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Sorry about the part number. Yes, I forgot a "0". ACS p/n 05-15500.
Regards,
Hi Eric,
I figured out the cable number but cannot locate the cable fitting you
mentioned. I would like to do what you have done if I can when the time
comes.
Thanks,
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
After much work in the "boat" I've finally reached the point where the top has
to go on. Plan on setting tomorrow AM. I decided to use the self tapping screws
instead of cleco's or pop rivets to make sure there is no distorting of the
sides. Placing approx every 10 inches if that holds all together. Will be nice
to have a little more room in the workspace. Fuel lines all run to back of the
boat, fuel pump installed, drains installed, ELT,Transponder antenna installed
and RG cable for the Comm antenna run. Flap motor installed and working mass
balance set with the top already made and installed to redux in (thanks Steve
for the pic's)...seems all is ready.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system Tidbits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
Ira, I too have the cartridge filters and the Andair unit with 914 and have
had no problems in approx 150 hrs.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel system Tidbits
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Greetings All,
>
> My test flight program has been decelerated by engine fuel starvation at
> high throttle (MP > 25) and moderate
> positive pitch conditions (>15 degrees)
>
> The fix is modestly instructive and so I note it here for new builders.
>
> The fuel system I build had both the Europa Factory cartridge filters plus
> an Andair minigascolator (mostly
> to remove condensed water). It turns out that the combined flow resistance
> was excessive, both reducing
> net flow and creating sufficient negative pressure upstream of the
> electric boost pump to entrain air.
>
> I could not find any hydrodynamic data on either device. Andair did not
> respond to requests for info.
>
> Solution: remove the gascolator through test phase, then swap back the
> gascolator for routine flight
> with a cleaned out tank.
>
> Also, if I had it to do again, I would trash the supplied fuel hose which
> has a strong propensity to kink
> when curved.
>
> Another caveat which has been mentioned here: Don't buy your instruments
> until you are nearly
> ready to use them. I had a UMA altimeter with a leaky diaphragm and a DOA
> Westach Tach/Hobbs.
> Two years after purchase is not the best time to first try them out!
>
>
> Ira N224XS (about 8 hr on the clock)
> Trigear XS/912S/Airmaster Prop/EFIS One
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Top Going On |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Al,
Please keep track of now much Redux you use.
Thanks,
John, A230
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Top Going On
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> After much work in the "boat" I've finally reached the point where the top
has to go on. Plan on setting tomorrow AM. I decided to use the self tapping
screws instead of cleco's or pop rivets to make sure there is no distorting
of the sides. Placing approx every 10 inches if that holds all together.
Will be nice to have a little more room in the workspace. Fuel lines all run
to back of the boat, fuel pump installed, drains installed, ELT,Transponder
antenna installed and RG cable for the Comm antenna run. Flap motor
installed and working mass balance set with the top already made and
installed to redux in (thanks Steve for the pic's)...seems all is ready.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Top Going On |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
JOHN,
Will do and will post it. As hard as it is to get I now set up at night and "count"
how much redux I have instead of coins!
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: Top Going On |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Good luck Al, I hope you have at least 2 helpers.
John, A230
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Top Going On
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> JOHN,
> Will do and will post it. As hard as it is to get I now set up at night
and "count" how much redux I have instead of coins!
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/19/04 |
05/21/2004 12:01:18 PM,
Serialize complete at 05/21/2004 12:01:18 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Cliff Shaw wrote....
I am using the Andair gascolator also. But no paper filter. There has
been
Cliff, could you tell us which model gascolator you are using. I
purchased the "mini".
Cliff Also wrote:
has a flow rate stoneware over 15 g/min.
Cliff, please explain what this means? what is stoneware? what was the
pressure head?
a flow only is useful in the context of a specific driving pressure. what
is g/min? grams/min? gal per min?
My engine is doing very much better now with only a single serial filter
rather than 2 in-series filters
I also switched to Avgas, since it seems that all the premium mogas in
Zephyrhill, FL is stale, as no one there
owns BMWs and MBs! ;-)
As for the EFIS - mine is doing great, the latest version (2.16 release)
has HITS symbology (the squares you fly through with a flight director
symbol).
I have started testing the two autopilot axes as well.
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/19/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ira
I screwed up on using the spell check. I was referring to "flow rate" as
you probably expected. I do not have the specks as to the head pressure
that rate was measured at. I do know that at takeoff I am using over 6 Gal
per hour at 3 psi. (looks like I missed on the rate too, oops , sorry about
that)
I am envious of your Highway In The Sky. I did not get that on my Dynon D10
(It is good in what it does though).
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
Planing to fly to Oshkosh ! See you all there in July.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/19/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Guys,
One thing to keep in mind is that the return flow on a 914 is very high
compared to a 912. I have to go back to my measurements but I seem to
recall that it was around 47 gallons per hour with two pumps on. I have not
flown mine yet but I have run it up into full boost for 2 minutes without
fuel starvation, however I only have a single gascolator.
Interestingly enough after about 1.5 hours of engine running my gascolaor
picked up a huge amount of debris, which I cleaned out. Since then I have
completely drained, refilled and drained the tank through a filler and the
gascolaor and I haven't found any more debris in the filler
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
Can anyone give an idea how much Redux is required to put top on---is one
tin enough????
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
FWIW from the archives:
Subject: Europa-List: Top On!
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
--------
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Hi All and Svein expressly!
My top is today finally bonded on
and wanna share my experiences:
- it took Redux 3 x 105 g (75+30) = 315 g
- about 50 g was wiped off
- it took 20 clecos and about 100 pcs of self-tapping screws
- three man
- 3 hours (1 for preparation, 1 for bonding and 1 for finishing)
- starting temparature was 16,0C and humidity 53%
- after all 24,7C and 32%, stable
- levelling spar pins and torque tube 0,00 degrees
- levelling fin by plumb line exactly 90 degrees
- after all my wife thought we deserved one bottle of
Laurent Perrier brut and so it was my first Europa champagne
The most important thing: few days ago Svein from Oslo
recommend me to install plywood block between lower
fuselage sides just front of torque tube to prevent TT binding.
I noticed that without this block TT comes very easy stiff
when top is on.
I am very grateful for Svein from this golden advice and
will recommed it for everybody. Stiff TT is not very sexy.
This evening was a milestone for me.
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
37500 Lempaala
Finland
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: DvdPar@aol.com [mailto:DvdPar@aol.com]
Subject: Europa-List: Top On
--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
Can anyone give an idea how much Redux is required to put top on---is
one
tin enough????
==
==
==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
Hello,
My name is Matt Carpenter and I live in Amarillo, Texas.
3 of us purchased the Europa XS A138 Tri-gear from Bill Richards who lives
in NH.
We have been flying it for 9 or so months.
Bill Richards built it, then decided he needed a 4 seat airplane.
I have been reading the archives for 6 - 8 months now, and decided it was
time to join.
I have one big question:
The engine is the Rotax 914 S Turbo. The manual says it should hold 35
inches of MP up to 16,000 MSL.
But, I have noticed that at 9,500 MSL the MP is down to 30 - 29 inches.
At 11,500 MSL the MP is down to 27 - 28 inches.
Currently I am getting around 130 - 131 knots true airspeed. If I could
keep the MP up then the true airspeed should increase at the higher
altitude.
I have a few ideas about it.. 1. Not enough fuel pressure (although there
is no engine roughness - no change when I turn on the aux pump)
2. Waste gate not fully closing (the engine was
prepared by Rotax for an airport at 300 MSL, I am at 3,650 MSL)
3. Engine needs "re-tuned" for higher
elevation.
Any ideas, would be great.
Thanks,
Matt Carpenter
N138WJ
Amarillo, Texas
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| Subject: | europa club subscriptions running out |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Thanks to those who have responded to my recent
pleas for outstanding Europa Club subscriptions.
I'm sad to say there's still a long list of folk
who haven't renewed, and it appears below!
If don't hear from these people by 1st June,
their membership will lapse and they won't
receive the June issue of the Europa Flyer. This
is not meant to shame people into paying up, just
to jog your memory again - I know we're all very
busy people. The names are in alphabetical order
by surname for easy reference.
If your name is on the list, and you have decided
NOT to renew, I'd appreciate a quick note to
<memsec@europaclub.org.uk> saying so. (It will
save me the work, and the Club the cost, of
writing a letter to you later.) And, it would
help the Club to serve its members better if you
could say why you prefer not to continue in
membership. F'rinstance: epoxy allergy stopped
building, lost medical stopped flying,
aircraft/kit sold, Europa Club didn't offer what
I wanted (which was .....) etc, etc.
Lyle Antieau
Colin Arkle
Kenneth Armstrong
Mike Ashfield
Sarah Attubato
Michel Auvray
Bernhard Bachmann
Karim Bachu
Jim Barber
Roger Barton
Bill Bealing
Dave Bennett
David Bligh
David Bowie
Ian Brookes
Alan Burrows
Garry Carter
Jag Chaggar
Simon Collins
Leslie Cooper
Roger Cullum
Robert Davies
Michael Dawson
Alan Day
Dave DeFord
Edith Dolder
Mike Dolphin
Patrick Farrell
Fergus Flynn
Neil France
Dennis Gerow
David Glauser
Jeff Goedhard
Jim Graham
Nigel Graham
Michael Grass
Ivor Griffith
Jim Gunnlaugson
Donald Heath
Malcolm Hendra
Bev Hill
Gerry Holland
Michael Howe
Andrew Jarvis
Paul Johnson
Paul Kennard
John Kilian
Richard Lamprey
Gavin Lee
Roger Lloyd
Kowie Lombard
Dave Martin
Miles McCallum
Barry McHugh
Mike Midderigh
Keith Middlemass
Simon Miles
Geoff Millard
Rick Morris
Zef Mumtaz-Ahmad
Simon Nash
Colin Noakes
Padhraic O'Conghaile
Carl Pattinson
Tam Pho
Patrick Pons
Chuck Popenoe
Kevin Pownall
Jim Punter
David Qualls
Ira Rampil
Brian Rauchfuss
Brian Robshaw
Jim Roseby
Michael Rowland
Martin Sambrook
Emonn Sheridan
Dennis Shupe
Hans Siedsma
Tom Sinclair
David Skill
Tony Smyth
Doug Steven
Martin Stevens
Phil Tait
John Tattersdill
Bruce Thackray
Mike Toft
John Walsh
Thomas Walt
Campbell Walters
Francis Warlomont
Tony Wickens
John Wighton
Jim Wixson
Peter Wood
Craig Wright
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (680 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karel Vranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Hi All,
When Trutrak presented the Digitrak at Oshkosh 2002 I was with the
subscribers because at that moment the cockpit module laid upside down and
it was easy to fix the mounting plate under the starboard seat and to fix
the lever at the aileron torque tube.
Now the french inspector found that this is a modification of the original
Europa they accepted as kitplane. What is the difference between a
modification and an equipement?
The Digitrak isn't TSOD and so far has no reference technical code (JAR) and
therefore can't be accepted as stated in their aircraft modification form.
My question to every lucky pilot flying with the Digitrak or Navaid is where
can I get an approval?
How is the PFA handling this problem?
Any answer is welcome.
Karel Vranken Belgium
# 447 F-PKRL XS monowheel 912 ULS Airmaster CS finishing paintings.
Test een digitale camera 14 dagen gratis
http://opproef.msn.be/product/product.html?nr=13
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Karel Hi!
> How is the PFA handling this problem?
The Europa Club has PFA permission for Navaid. PFA Mod 10507
Details of this are available for Club Members. Are you a member?
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine and Prop getting near to starting.
Painting completed. Just vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod completed. Ideas for Heater Unit still ideas!
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>How is the PFA handling this problem?<<
On a case-by-case basis. Meaning that when one unit has been installed in
the first aircraft and approved, all other units that are installed to other
aircraft in the same way will be approved automatically (subject to
satisfactory inspection etc).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karel Vranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Autopilot
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Karel Vranken"
<karelvranken@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi All,
> When Trutrak presented the Digitrak at Oshkosh 2002 I was with the
> subscribers because at that moment the cockpit module laid upside down and
> it was easy to fix the mounting plate under the starboard seat and to fix
> the lever at the aileron torque tube.
> Now the french inspector found that this is a modification of the original
> Europa they accepted as kitplane. What is the difference between a
> modification and an equipement?
> The Digitrak isn't TSOD and so far has no reference technical code (JAR)
and
> therefore can't be accepted as stated in their aircraft modification form.
> My question to every lucky pilot flying with the Digitrak or Navaid is
where
> can I get an approval?
> How is the PFA handling this problem?
> Any answer is welcome.
> Karel Vranken Belgium
> # 447 F-PKRL XS monowheel 912 ULS Airmaster CS finishing paintings.
>
> Test een digitale camera 14 dagen gratis
> http://opproef.msn.be/product/product.html?nr=13
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi,
Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/jun-01.html it gives you a bit
of a check list. I used 280 grams.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: <DvdPar@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Top On
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
>
> Can anyone give an idea how much Redux is required to put top on---is one
> tin enough????
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First time user |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Matt,
A couple of things can cause this. The easy thing is to check the waste
gate setting to make sure that it is fully closed at idle. It is probably a
good idea to check the throttle calibration, depending on the model 914 you
have you can either connect it directly to your PC or you will need to get a
hold of an adapter. Once you have it connected to your PC you can do some
in-flight checks to make sure that your air box temperatures are not too
high, if they are your TCU will automatically reduce the amount of boost
available. The only fix to this problem is an intercooler. Europa has a
kit available for this.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
Subject: Europa-List: First time user
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt"
<mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Matt Carpenter and I live in Amarillo, Texas.
>
> 3 of us purchased the Europa XS A138 Tri-gear from Bill Richards who lives
> in NH.
> We have been flying it for 9 or so months.
>
> Bill Richards built it, then decided he needed a 4 seat airplane.
>
> I have been reading the archives for 6 - 8 months now, and decided it was
> time to join.
>
> I have one big question:
>
> The engine is the Rotax 914 S Turbo. The manual says it should hold 35
> inches of MP up to 16,000 MSL.
> But, I have noticed that at 9,500 MSL the MP is down to 30 - 29 inches.
> At 11,500 MSL the MP is down to 27 - 28 inches.
> Currently I am getting around 130 - 131 knots true airspeed. If I could
> keep the MP up then the true airspeed should increase at the higher
> altitude.
>
> I have a few ideas about it.. 1. Not enough fuel pressure (although there
> is no engine roughness - no change when I turn on the aux pump)
> 2. Waste gate not fully closing (the engine
was
> prepared by Rotax for an airport at 300 MSL, I am at 3,650 MSL)
> 3. Engine needs "re-tuned" for higher
> elevation.
>
> Any ideas, would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Carpenter
> N138WJ
> Amarillo, Texas
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Paul,
thanks
Al Stills
A095
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Top On
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi,
>
> Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/jun-01.html it gives you a
bit
> of a check list. I used 280 grams.
>
> Paul
>
>
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> Subject: Europa-List: Top On
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> > Can anyone give an idea how much Redux is required to put top on---is
one
> > tin enough????
> >
> >
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Paul
It looks from your photo's you clecoed about every 5 ". I was planning on
10"...is this to far apart to keep straight along the side?
Al Stills
A095
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Top On
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>
> Hi,
>
> Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/jun-01.html it gives you a
bit
> of a check list. I used 280 grams.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Top On
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
> >
> > Can anyone give an idea how much Redux is required to put top on---is
one
> > tin enough????
> >
> >
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Paul McAllister wrote:
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>Hi,
>
>Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/jun-01.html it gives you a bit
>of a check list. I used 280 grams.
>
>Paul
>
>
So, is that like a half a container, or what? Never was too good on the
grams thingy... :)
do not archive.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Al,
I can only advise on what worked for me. It seemed to take quite a few
cleo's to get it to sit down nicely without ripples. Try spacing every 300
mm and if it doesn't sit dwon nicley then put some in between.
Paul
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