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1. 12:10 AM - Re: First flight N378PJ (Gerry Holland)
2. 04:16 AM - Re: First flight N378PJ (Michael Grass)
3. 04:43 AM - First flight N378PJ (Graham Singleton)
4. 05:00 AM - Re: First flight N378PJ (rlborger)
5. 05:53 AM - WED HAT DROPPING-SHEFFIELD (bryan allsop)
6. 06:22 AM - Europa Fly-In, Tennessee Style (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
7. 07:54 AM - First flight N378PJ (Dan Bish)
8. 09:48 AM - Re: Stab travel range (Dan Bish)
9. 12:29 PM - Oops, never mind... (Dan Bish)
10. 01:27 PM - NSI props (Erich Trombley)
11. 02:13 PM - Re: First flight N378PJ (Rowland Carson)
12. 03:08 PM - First flight N378PJ (Erich Trombley)
13. 04:51 PM - Oops, never mind... (steved)
14. 05:01 PM - Electric fuel pump (Fergus Kyle)
15. 06:58 PM - Re: Tail Ribs (Steve Hagar)
16. 06:59 PM - Re: Stab travel range (Kingsley Hurst)
17. 07:01 PM - Re: Oops, never mind... (Kingsley Hurst)
18. 07:07 PM - Re: Stab travel range (Steve Hagar)
19. 07:09 PM - Re: Electric fuel pump (Kingsley Hurst)
20. 07:24 PM - Re: Tail Ribs (Cliff Shaw)
21. 07:36 PM - The wonders of e-mails (Kingsley Hurst)
22. 10:53 PM - Re: WED HAT DROPPING-SHEFFIELD (William Mills)
23. 11:15 PM - Re: TWO STAGE HATTERS FLY-IN. WEDNESDAY (nigel charles)
24. 11:23 PM - Re: WED HAT DROPPING-SHEFFIELD (nigel charles)
25. 11:28 PM - Re: Electric fuel pump (nigel charles)
26. 11:41 PM - Re: NSI props (nigel charles)
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
WELL DONE Paul!
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Paul,
Congratulations and many thanks for your website. You and your website has
been truly an inspiration. It is great to hear that all finally paid off.
Michael Grass
A266 working on the cockpit module.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: First flight N378PJ
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Well I put on my Nomex suit, gloves and crash helmet and let N378PJ take
to the air. The flight was 20 minutes long staying in the pattern. It
flies nicely and seems to be in perfect trim.
>
> After 5 years and 9 months of building it is really nice to finally fly
it. I have many people to thank, John, Andy and Neville at Europa, but my
special thanks goes to Graham Singleton. His encouragement and experience
got me to this point with a better aircraft.
>
> Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | First flight N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 23/05/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>Well I put on my Nomex suit, gloves and crash helmet and let N378PJ take
>to the
>air. The flight was 20 minutes long staying in the pattern. It flies nicely
>and seems to be in perfect trim.
>Paul
Paul
wonderful news! Looking forward to seeing your Europa grin.
BTW
Did you land on the grass or that unforgiving blagktop?
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Paul,
Wonderful! Congratulations to you, Jenny and N378PJ. I've been
following trials and tribulations of your build on your web-site for
years. I'm looking forward to pics and more info on 8PJ.
I wish you many years and thousands of hours of fine flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(65%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
working chapters 23 Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical,
29 Main Gear & 34 Door Latches.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | WED HAT DROPPING-SHEFFIELD |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
I have spoken to Sheffield Air Traffic. They are pedantic that they must have a
copy of their approach procedure FAX signed by the pilot, and in their hands
before clearance can be given.
Accordingly, I have attached a copy of the FAX to be signed and posted, or Faxed
back to them in time for departure. There is really nothing difficult, or contrived
about joining them. Indeed the tower people are really welcoming, but
Sheffield itself is still emerging from its' days as a communist state, so you
vill comply if you have not visited before.
The alternative is to join us at Sandtoft at 12.30.
Happy days. Bryan
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| Subject: | Europa Fly-In, Tennessee Style |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
I deleted the information about the June fly in in Tenn. Where is it, and
what commercial airports are near? It looks like we will need to come
commercial unless someone in FL has a couple of seats open. We are anxious to
go,
sounds like a great time!
Jim and Lynne Puglise, N283MG
Hi All,
John Lawton here, aka Europa A-245. My brother and I are hosting the first
annual Europa Fly-In at our field (TN89, Atlanta Sectional, north side, shown as
"Matthew's). The field is located near Whitwell, TN, about 20 miles due north
of Chattanooga. The Fly-In will be on June 5-6, 2004. Although this is an
informal gathering, we are planning a cookout for Saturday night, rain or shine,
and I would imagine that Saturday and part of Sunday will be spent swapping
stories and building tricks with other Europaphiles.
The closest commercial airport is Chattanooga (CHA), although it's cheaper to
fly into Nashville (BNA) and rent a car. We're about 2 hours drive Southeast
from Nashville.
Depending on which airport you'd like to fly into:
From Chattanooga, take I-24 north towards Nashville to Exit 155 (Jasper,
TN/Hwy 28). Go North on Hwy 28 18.1 miles and turn right onto Condra Switch. There
will be a sign and balloons at the turn. Proceed 3/4ths of a mile and turn
right onto Condra Road. You will see the airport on the right. Approximate drive
time is 30 minutes.
From Nashville, take I-24 south to Exit 155 (Jasper, TN/Hwy 28) Go North on
Hwy 28 18.1 miles and turn left on Condra Switch. There will be a sign and
ballons at the turn. Proceed 3/4ths of a mile and turn right on Condra Road. You
will see the airport on the right. Approximate drive time is 2 hours.
If anybody would like to see an overhead picture of our field check out
www.airnav.com. Click on "Airports" and enter TN89 as the identifier. Other contact
information, long and lat, etc., is also available here.
If anybody needs a list of nearby hotels and motels contact me off list and
I'll e-mail a list to you. We will have a courtesy van available for those
staying in motels. We have on field showers and toilet facilities for those who
wish to camp.
For those flying in, we monitor 123.5 Mhz. Please call us on approach to
announce your arrival as we do run a glider tow operation from the field and
depending on the weather I might be towing gliders also. There is also fairly
intense hang glider activity in the area, so keep a sharp lookout for slow moving
traffic in the vacinity. Contact Chattanooga approach on 119.2 Mhz or 125.1 Mhz
for vectoring to the field.
We hope to see everyone there! If anyone has any other questions I can be
reached via e-mail or on my mobile at 423-240-0064.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | First flight N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Congratulations! And thanks for all the help you and Graham have done for me via
advice and your web site. Post some pictures when you can.
Dan Bish
A144
Tucson, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Stab travel range |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Hi Ferg,
I'm just now working on installing my mass balance tower and getting the stabs
correctly aligned. My problem is that even before installing the tower, with the
weights contacting the pitch push rod, I only get 12.8 deg. of trailing edge
up pitch. When I trial fit the tower, I get 9.6 deg trailing edge up and 6.5
deg trailing edge down. These measurements are when using the incidence setting
block. Should I use something else? I must be doing something wrong in my measurements.
Anyone who wants to throw in on this is welcome.
Thanks,
Dan Bish
A144
Tucson, AZ
-------------------------------------------------
Ferg wrote...
However, just before fitting on the fuselage top, I took a last-minute
test of stab travel and found that in intervening months the range of travel
had reduced for some reason - and I got but 2.8deg nosedown and 11.6deg
Noseup travel! The trim travel works well, but the stab itself has reduced
.
As well, I found the counterweight travel did not allow full noseup
travel, and I had not cut the trim slots long enough to permit full travel.
I lengthened the slots 1/8inch and the slot problem receded.
It was obvious I had failed to centre the TP18A swivelling rear end of
the counterweight arm to allow the arm to descend slightly into a happier
area, so I removed the two AN-3 bolts at the back and swivelled the TP18A
four turns shorter [1/8"]. Too much!
So I calculated the ratios of TP18A turns (32thread) to front end travel
of the counterweight and degrees of stab travel. At 2" +/- between aft bolts
and 30" length of applicable c/w arm I figured one turn [1/32" travel] of
TP18A equalled 1/2" change of countertweight position, and THAT equalled
2deg of stab position.
I'm wondering if anyone else ran into this condition, and whether my
calcs gibe with another's. If all is well, I will increase the travel of
the
big pitch push rod to permit a greater range of stab travel [12deg to -4deg
in the book].
Any comments gratefully received.
Cheers, Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Oops, never mind... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Ok, I took a look at Steve D's site and saw the photos on how he measured, took
out the incidence block and re-measured. I'm getting 12.8 up and 6.9 down now
without having the mass balance weights in play. Will go for the 14 deg that
the manual asks for then will start on the tower and such. Thanks Ferg for the
tip on adjusting the TP18.
Dan
A144
Tucson, AZ
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Does anyone out in Europa land have contact info for NSI other than their Arlington,
WA address and phone? I have tried to contact them to no avail. The tenant
of a building adjacent to NSI's informed me that they are no longer there.
I need to get in touch with them regarding the replacement of Warp Drive blades
for their hub. Any help is certainly appreciated.
Regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004 05 23 19:25 -0500 Paul McAllister wrote:
>I put on my Nomex suit, gloves and crash helmet and let N378PJ take to the air
Paul - well done and congratulations! I've got pretty much all the
other data, but I assume the momentous event took place at Waukesha
County airfield.
regards
Rowland
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| Europa 435 G-ROWI (690 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | First flight N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Paul congrats!!! Let the fun begin.
Hope to see you at Oshkosh.
Regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET
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| Subject: | Oops, never mind... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steved" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
You can find photo's of with incidence block and without. Without you have to do
the math. What I finally did was, with the elevator in neutral and the plane
level, I adjusted the block under the level to read Zero. I then pitched up and
down to get the correct readings. Some adjustments were required and my counter
balance arm is not level when the elevator is in neutral. I have a slight
weight high pitch.
Steved.
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| Subject: | Electric fuel pump |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I read a message less than a week ago from one of us, stating that
the fuel pump (a FACET part no. 40108 in the Aircraft Spruce catalog) needed
to be mount6ed at 45deg to the horizontal. I had read that somewhere else
but cannot find either reference and beg to know if this is so.
The pumps go in on conformation of same, or otherwise.
Ferg
A064
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Al:
I had the same issues, maybe not to your extent. What I did was to take
and cut away some of the front flange tip of the offending rib and then
formed the remaining horizontal section to fit in closely to the profiile
of the vert stab leading edge. Then used a layup of fiberglass in that
area as there wasn't a flange area there for redux to bond to. From what I
can remember I removed some of the nose section and about 3/4 - 1" along
each side.
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Alan Stills <astills785@earthlink.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/23/04 6:49:26 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Tail Ribs
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills"
<astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> After getting my top on this weekend, I'm looking ahead to rudder and
tail. I find that my ribs are too long for the sternpost installation. I
can move the top rib to fit but the bottom rib is up against the rear
bulkhead as it show in the manual and is 25mm to long. Has anyone had this
occurrence and what was the fix? Cutting the bottom rib to fit the rear
bulkhead? Moving the front of the rib up or down does not solve this
problem. It is shaped for the front of the tail and not for the rear
bulkhead.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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| Subject: | Stab travel range |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Dan Bish wrote:
> I get 9.6 deg trailing edge up and 6.5 deg trailing edge down. These
measurements are when using the incidence setting block. Should I use
something else? I must be doing something wrong in my measurements.
Anyone who wants to throw in on this is welcome.
Dan,
I would suggest you not worry at first about UP and DOWN deflections.
The important thing is to first obtain the correct total movement of the
tailplane which is 18 degrees. (13 Up and 5 down eventually)
Assuming no "T" bar is yet installed for the trim (remove it if it is),
if you cannot obtain the total 18 degrees of movement, the most likely
reason should be that the distance between your Up and Down Stops for
the mass balance weight is insufficient. After you have
adjusted/altered the stops to obtain the total deflection of 18
degrees, you can then screw the adjuster on the end of the lower support
tube for the mass balance weight in or out to obtain the correct
apportionment Up and Down. This adjuster only alters the position of
the tailplane relative to the mass balance weight and in so doing,
alters both deflections. Whatever it adds to one, it subtracts from the
other. The sum of the two deflections should always remain 18 degrees.
When you measure the individual deflections, first establish the level
position by accurately aligning the tailplane with the fuselage fairing.
Up and Down measurements are then relative to this level position. Your
incidence block on the tailplane will be fine. If you have a digital
level or protractor (I used my Warp Drive Propeller protractor), when
you are holding the tailplane aligned with the fairing, place your level
on the board and note the reading. (lets say it is X degrees). Now
your Up reading should be X+13 and Down X-5
Hope this helps.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
Extended baggage bay, fuel lines, engine, electrics and F,S and P still
to go.
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| Subject: | Oops, never mind... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Sorry Dan,
Just sent off my reply and then got your second posting. Ah well, it
was a good exercise.
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Stab travel range |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Dan:
I had to do some extra work because of lack of travel. For the bottom stop
I had to dispense with what was detailed in the manual. Circular dowel
covered with rubber is what I believe it was. I made a new stop out of
a bolt and covered with a Delrin tube that I turned down. I think it is
only about a half to a third diameter of what was originally called for.
for the top stop I selectively milled away the section of the tip of the
weight that contacted the roof first of the fuselage.
Steve H
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Dan Bish <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/24/04 9:45:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stab travel range
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
>
> Hi Ferg,
>
> I'm just now working on installing my mass balance tower and getting the
stabs correctly aligned. My problem is that even before installing the
tower, with the weights contacting the pitch push rod, I only get 12.8 deg.
of trailing edge up pitch. When I trial fit the tower, I get 9.6 deg
trailing edge up and 6.5 deg trailing edge down. These measurements are
when using the incidence setting block. Should I use something else? I must
be doing something wrong in my measurements. Anyone who wants to throw in
on this is welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Bish
> A144
> Tucson, AZ
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Ferg wrote...
>
> However, just before fitting on the fuselage top, I took a last-minute
> test of stab travel and found that in intervening months the range
of travel
> had reduced for some reason - and I got but 2.8deg nosedown and
11.6deg
> Noseup travel! The trim travel works well, but the stab itself has
reduced .
> As well, I found the counterweight travel did not allow full
noseup
> travel, and I had not cut the trim slots long enough to permit full
travel.
> I lengthened the slots 1/8inch and the slot problem receded.
> It was obvious I had failed to centre the TP18A swivelling rear
end of
> the counterweight arm to allow the arm to descend slightly into a
happier
> area, so I removed the two AN-3 bolts at the back and swivelled the
TP18A
> four turns shorter [1/8"]. Too much!
> So I calculated the ratios of TP18A turns (32thread) to front
end travel
> of the counterweight and degrees of stab travel. At 2" +/- between
aft bolts
> and 30" length of applicable c/w arm I figured one turn [1/32"
travel] of
> TP18A equalled 1/2" change of countertweight position, and THAT
equalled
> 2deg of stab position.
> I'm wondering if anyone else ran into this condition, and
whether my
> calcs gibe with another's. If all is well, I will increase the
travel of the
> big pitch push rod to permit a greater range of stab travel [12deg
to -4deg
> in the book].
> Any comments gratefully received.
> Cheers, Ferg
> A064
>
>
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| Subject: | Electric fuel pump |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Ferg wrote:
> I read a message less than a week ago from one of us, stating that
the fuel pump (a FACET part no. 40108 in the Aircraft Spruce catalog)
needed
to be mount6ed at 45deg to the horizontal. I had read that somewhere
else
but cannot find either reference and beg to know if this is so.
According to the instructions with my Facet pump Ferg, the 45deg angle
is correct. I.e. when mounted on a vertical surface, turn it 45 left or
right. The plane of the mounting surface does not have to be at 45deg.
Regards
Kingsley
Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Al
I have not seen an answer to this one, so I will jump in. IT is really
easy.
The problem is the bulkhead , so cut the rib and just make it fit. I had to
trim the front of mine a little. You are just putting in rib to stiffen up
the skin and it is not too critical.
I did try to get a good bond with the "green goop from Hell" so the ribs
could do there job. It is a tricky job to get them in and clecoes in place
and not smear all the redux off.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
Flying and loving it.
Subject: Europa-List: Tail Ribs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills"
<astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> After getting my top on this weekend, I'm looking ahead to rudder and
tail. I find that my ribs are too long for the sternpost installation. I can
move the top rib to fit but the bottom rib is up against the rear bulkhead
as it show in the manual and is 25mm to long. Has anyone had this occurrence
and what was the fix? Cutting the bottom rib to fit the rear bulkhead?
Moving the front of the rib up or down does not solve this problem. It is
shaped for the front of the tail and not for the rear bulkhead.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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| Subject: | The wonders of e-mails |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
I just placed two items on the list within ten minutes of each other.
I note on my screen now that according to the time of each, they were
done in the reverse order and seven minutes apart ????
Don't even pretend to understand how it works, but I guess the first one
took a longer route than the second. ? The mind boggles !!
Do not archive.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
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| Subject: | Re: WED HAT DROPPING-SHEFFIELD |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Bryan,
I couldn't find the FAX attachment! Please could you try again?
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: WED HAT DROPPING-SHEFFIELD
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
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> I have spoken to Sheffield Air Traffic. They are pedantic that they must
have a copy of their approach procedure FAX signed by the pilot, and in
their hands before clearance can be given.
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> Accordingly, I have attached a copy of the FAX to be signed and posted, or
Faxed back to them in time for departure. There is really nothing difficult,
or contrived about joining them. Indeed the tower people are really
welcoming, but Sheffield itself is still emerging from its' days as a
communist state, so you vill comply if you have not visited before.
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> The alternative is to join us at Sandtoft at 12.30.
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> Happy days. Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: TWO STAGE HATTERS FLY-IN. WEDNESDAY |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Brian
I have the day free on Wednesday and both Paddy and I are interested in
coming north on Wednesday (weather permitting).
Hope to see you then.
Regards
Nigel
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| Subject: | Re: WED HAT DROPPING-SHEFFIELD |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Brian
You cannot send attachments to the forum address. You will need to use our
individual addresses. As indicated by my last e-mail Paddy and I are both
interested. Please send your fax attachment to nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
and paddyclarke@lineone.net.
Regards
Nigel
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| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Ferg
> I read a message less than a week ago from one of us, stating that
the fuel pump (a FACET part no. 40108 in the Aircraft Spruce catalog) needed
to be mount6ed at 45deg to the horizontal. I had read that somewhere else
but cannot find either reference and beg to know if this is so.<
Both my Facet pumps are mounted on their side horizontally (ie the flange
face vertical with both inlet and outlet at the same level). The system
works fine. I think it is more of a problem should the pumps be mounted
above fuel level where they have to suck fuel upwards. This should not be an
issue in most Europa installations.
Nigel
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Does anyone out in Europa land have contact info for NSI other than their
Arlington, WA address and phone? I have tried to contact them to no avail.
The tenant of a building adjacent to NSI's informed me that they are no
longer there. I need to get in touch with them regarding the replacement of
Warp Drive blades for their hub. <
Sorry cannot be of any help but this doesn't surprise me. Both I and David
Hunter (UK contact for NSI) have had very poor customer liason from this
company in the past. The product is good but don't expect good customer
support (even if you can get in touch with them).
Regards
Nigel Charles
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