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1. 12:50 AM - Re: Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size (Neville Eyre)
2. 01:26 AM - Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono (Roger Mills)
3. 01:56 AM - Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono (Barahona Alonso, Francisco Javier)
4. 03:19 AM - Re Europa speed fairings- trigear (mike toft)
5. 04:53 AM - Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono (Andy Draper)
6. 08:13 AM - Trailer info (Rick Heis)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size (Europa Aircraft)
8. 10:18 AM - Re: Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
9. 10:47 AM - One of the original "hat droppers"! (R.C.Harrison)
10. 12:12 PM - Re: Trailer info (Rocketman)
11. 12:28 PM - Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono (Duncan McFadyean)
12. 03:47 PM - Website Update (Steve & Eileen Genotte)
13. 06:07 PM - Website Update (SteveD)
14. 06:07 PM - Website Update (SteveD)
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| Subject: | Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi,
The Europa Trailer hitch coupling is 50mm, a 1 7/8'' ball is required.
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rlborger
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Europaphiles,
Does anyone out there know the size of the ball hitch required for the
Europa factory trailer?
Looks like I will be bonding the top on N914XL this Monday, 31 May 2004.
Thanks.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(65%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
working chapters 23 Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical,
29 Main Gear & 34 Door Latches.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Mills" <Roger.Mills@btinternet.com>
On a classic Europa Monowheel, after fitting the full speed kit, I
measured a ~ 5 - 6 kt improvement in speed for the same RPM. Not as much
as that originally claimed by Ivan Shaw (9kts?) but nevertheless
worthwhile because it gives a permanent improvement in either cruise
speed or fuel consumption. It also smartens up the flap brackets and
outrigger mechanisms.
Roger Mills
Europa 141
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| Subject: | Speed fairings - XS Mono |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Barahona Alonso, Francisco Javier" <Javier.Barahona@aeasa.com>
Another advantage of speed kit is that it helps to keep clean the outrigger mechanisms.
Javier Barahona
Europa 187
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| Subject: | Re Europa speed fairings- trigear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "mike toft" <watervet@mweb.co.za>
Hi All
I've recently had fairings on and off my trigear with the 914 /airmaster combo
and I get at least 8-9 kts more in the cruise, giving me - 125-130 kts at 5000
rpm 29 in.boost 67 % power setting 20L ph fuel flow, altitude 3500 , OAT 22
C - so they work for me.
Mike Toft
Tri-Gear XS 914/Airmaster
2500hrs build and now 41,1 hours flying
Still smiling!
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| Subject: | Speed fairings - XS Mono |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Dear Jim,
When I did the flight testing for the speed kit on the mono-wheel, I was careful
to conduct the two comparison flights (each with at least 3 speed runs each
way) within an hour of each other to minimise errors. The aircraft weight was
also the same at each take-off and the runs were conducted at full throttle and
5500rpm. Having corrected for temperature and altitude the speeds were converted
to TAS. A full 9 knots was gained with the fairings in place, so your
2 - 3 knots gain may indicate a measurement issue?
The Tri-gear showed a 10 kt improvement using the same techniques.
Regards
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Speed fairings - XS Mono
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Paul
We have the XS mono wheel with a 914. After installing the speed fairings we picked
up 2 or 3 knots at best.
I thank that maby the tri -gear may show more improvement than the mono-wheel
What about it, tri gear owners??????????
Jim Brown
N398JB
Alan Stewart wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
>
> Hi,
>
> I tried to measure the cruise speed improvement in my 912 Classic
> monowheel as accurately as possible, after fitting of the outrigger and
> tail wheel fairings.
>
> I made several runs on a triangular course, at different power settings,
> and worked out TAS by trigonometry. My measured speed improvement was
> certainly less than 5 knots.
>
> Alan
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone made any before and after easements on what the speed
> fairings add to the top speed on the XS Mono's ?
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis" <RadarRick@charter.net>
Good Morning all from West Virginia (USA)=85.great Memorial Day,
I am interested in trailers for the Europas.
I know that there are two basic models (wheel footprint) of Europas (mono
and tri) and even a few conventional gear model out there=85=85my questions are
what kind of trailers does everyone have to transport your Europas?
1. Are there commercial, manufactured trailers? (Which manufacture)
2. Did you build one yourself, either completely or partial?
3 Are there any plans out there that are available to build a trailer for
an Europa (or sailplane)?
4. If you use a manufactured trailer, what key components or modifications
are needed to make it work for a Europa?
5. Are there any covered trailers available?
6. Can you use a sailplane (glider) trailer from Cobra (or others brands)
for an Europa?
7. Are there any horror stories out there where you tried to tow an Europa
and it didn=92t work=85.I am only interested in the corrections of how and why
it didn=92t work, and what you did to the trailer to make sure it didn=92t
happen again.
8. If you had to do it all over again, what would you do different in your
trailer area?
The reason I am inquisitive about the trailer details is that I am getting
ready to purchase a trailer (or two) for transporting some =BE scale (24 feet
long fuselage, 24 foot wingspan) static display models (P51 & P40 & Corsair)
for Civil Air Patrol. If I can purchase or build (or partially build from a
basic manufactured trailer) a trailer that fits ALL these needs, I would
like to hear your input and advise.
Any feedback, good or bad is what I am asking for. Any trailer details,
schematics, measurements, etc. would be great. What are you all doing?
Thanks,
Rick Heis
Morgantown, WV (USA)
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| Subject: | Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
Since 2" is more common in the US, we have also been offering the 2"
coupling over here in the US as an option.
Happy Building & Flying!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Neville Eyre
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre"
<neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi,
The Europa Trailer hitch coupling is 50mm, a 1 7/8'' ball is required.
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rlborger
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Europaphiles,
Does anyone out there know the size of the ball hitch required for the
Europa factory trailer?
Looks like I will be bonding the top on N914XL this Monday, 31 May 2004.
Thanks.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(65%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
working chapters 23 Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical,
29 Main Gear & 34 Door Latches.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Trailer Ball Hitch Size |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
Here in the US the 1 7/8" ball hitch (Class 1) is rated at a maximum 200 lb
tongue weight and maximum load of 2000 lbs. That's the weight of your airplane
plus the weight of the trailer plus any other items carried on the trailer.
The 2" ball hitch (Class 2) is rated at 300 lb tongue weight and maximum of
3500 lb load.
So when you are checking out trailers, find out how much they weigh, then add
the plane weight at MTOW, add any boxes or fuel cans that you will mount to
the trailer for misc. stuff, and keep a margin below the hitches maximum
pulling capacity.
Also find out what the maximum towing capacity of the vehicle that is going
to pull your trailer/plane.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear assembled and soon
to be fitted.
Waiting thirteen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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| Subject: | One of the original "hat droppers"! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! all the "would be's!"
Perth (EGPT Scotland!) and back 8,000ft without IMC !
If you get your bum out of bed in a morning nothing is impossible!
Pity the PFA weren't organised for the Friday part of the visit!
Regards to all, have a good holiday weekend.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Trailer info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Rick Heis wrote:
>I am interested in trailers for the Europas.
>
>
>I know that there are two basic models (wheel footprint) of Europas (mono
>and tri) and even a few conventional gear model out there=85=85my questions are
>what kind of trailers does everyone have to transport your Europas?
>
>
<snip>
Rick, I'll be using my 18' construction trailer to transport my
tri-gear. It has a wood plank floor and very short rails. As a dual
axel it was priced at around $1100. US. You can pay more, but won't
have the versatility of this kind of trailer.
--
Jeff - A055
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| Subject: | Re: Speed fairings - XS Mono |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
On the tri-gear 'lookalike' (i.e. proper taildragger) there is a 9 knt speed
improvement (126 knt to 135 knt) with leg fairings alone. But the leg is
rectangular in section and offers a "flat plate" of about a third of a
square foot, so a significant improvement would be inevitable.
A further 8 knt speed improvement (135 to 143 knt) occurs with mainwheel
fairings similar to the Europa product, but closer in appearance to those
shown at:
http://www.teamrocketaircraft.com/TeamRocketAircraftcgi/hazel.exe
(let me know if you want some; I have moulds).
Flap hinge fairings aren't fitted (I await to be convinced that they are
beneficial) and some intersection fairings in the acute angle between legs
and wheels may net a little more.
Still trying to get to 150 knts! Will an extra 10% hp from cold air get me
there?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Speed fairings - XS Mono
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper"
<andy@europa-aircraft.com>
>
> Dear Jim,
>
> When I did the flight testing for the speed kit on the mono-wheel, I was
careful to conduct the two comparison flights (each with at least 3 speed
runs each way) within an hour of each other to minimise errors. The
aircraft weight was also the same at each take-off and the runs were
conducted at full throttle and 5500rpm. Having corrected for temperature
and altitude the speeds were converted to TAS. A full 9 knots was gained
with the fairings in place, so your 2 - 3 knots gain may indicate a
measurement issue?
>
> The Tri-gear showed a 10 kt improvement using the same techniques.
>
> Regards
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Brown
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Speed fairings - XS Mono
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Paul
>
> We have the XS mono wheel with a 914. After installing the speed fairings
we picked
> up 2 or 3 knots at best.
>
> I thank that maby the tri -gear may show more improvement than the
mono-wheel
>
> What about it, tri gear owners??????????
>
> Jim Brown
> N398JB
>
> Alan Stewart wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart"
<alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I tried to measure the cruise speed improvement in my 912 Classic
> > monowheel as accurately as possible, after fitting of the outrigger and
> > tail wheel fairings.
> >
> > I made several runs on a triangular course, at different power settings,
> > and worked out TAS by trigonometry. My measured speed improvement was
> > certainly less than 5 knots.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Has anyone made any before and after easements on what the speed
> > fairings add to the top speed on the XS Mono's ?
> >
> > Thanks, Paul
> >
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" <damnyankees@comcast.net>
Five years since I've added new content. That seems about right, doesn't
it?
http://home.comcast.net/~damnyankees/Panelpage.htm
Steve "El Roto" Genotte
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Welcome back, Steve glad your updating again. Your site inspired me to put mine
up. Your not afraid to tell it like it is, or hey I screwed this up don't you
do it. Great work! Keep it up.
Steved
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Welcome back, Steve glad your updating again. Your site inspired me to put mine
up. Your not afraid to tell it like it is, or hey I screwed this up don't you
do it. Great work! Keep it up.
Steved
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