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1. 01:06 AM - Fly In/BBQ at Lydeway Field, Wiltshire, UK (nigel charles)
2. 01:25 AM - Drop of the Hat Wed 2nd Laddingford (P.A.D.Clarke)
3. 03:06 AM - Re: Drop of the Hat Wed 2nd Laddingford (William Mills)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: First few hours N378PJ (rlborger)
5. 06:58 AM - UPDATE (Al Stills)
6. 08:09 AM - Nose wheel inner tube (Peter Field)
7. 08:20 AM - Re: Gel Coat (Neville Eyre)
8. 09:34 AM - Re: First few hours N378PJ (Richard Holder)
9. 11:21 AM - Re: Nose wheel inner tube (R.C.Harrison)
10. 01:56 PM - Re: First few hours N378PJ (Craig Ellison)
11. 04:47 PM - Fuel flow computer (Graham Singleton)
12. 04:47 PM - fuel flow seners (Graham Singleton)
13. 05:12 PM - Removing Redux (Erich Trombley)
14. 07:19 PM - Re: NACA vent placement (was Re: Gel Coat) (Ken)
15. 11:44 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Fly In/BBQ at Lydeway Field, Wiltshire, UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
I will be holding another Fly In/BBQ at my airstrip (Lydeway Field) this year.
The event will be on the same setup as last year (ie free fly in, free BBQ and
drink in exchange for taking a few of my neighbours on short local flights).
The date for the event is Sat 17th July (weekend after Kemble) with a possible
backup day of the Sunday.
For those unfamiliar the strip is 790m grass (10/28 ) which makes it very easy
for those not familiar with farm strips. The surface is firm and smooth making
it useable for trigears as well as monowheels. There are a few trees/hedges to
watch out for and I do ask that visitors respect the noise abatement procedures
to avoid irritating nearby residents. Further details will be included in
the briefing sheet provided.
I will be limiting this to 10 aircraft due to the congestion having to backtrack
during departure/arrivals. Anyone who is interested in attending this event
should send an e-mail to nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Drop of the Hat Wed 2nd Laddingford |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
How about Peter Kembers place at Laddingford on Wednesday?. Voucher
in Pilot - note coordinates in Pilot should read 0002480 EAST. Bring your own
lunch.
Cheers, Paddy Clarke
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the Hat Wed 2nd Laddingford |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
There's a very good pub just round the corner.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Drop of the Hat Wed 2nd Laddingford
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke"
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>
> Hi All,
> How about Peter Kembers place at Laddingford on Wednesday?.
Voucher in Pilot - note coordinates in Pilot should read 0002480 EAST. Bring
your own lunch.
> Cheers, Paddy Clarke
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First few hours N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Paul,
Thanks for the brief write-up on your flying experience so far.
> I am wondering what to do about my WEB site (
http://europa363.versadev.com/ ) .
> Are folks interested in me writing up my test flying ?, and possibly
a trip diary?
> I be interested in some feed back on this.
If it isn't too much bother, I'd like very much to hear about your test
period plans and flying. The trip diary would be nice as well. These
things serve us folks without the resources of our own web site as a
great source of motivation and inspiration. I spend a couple evenings
a week checking out other folks building and operating sites. Yours is
at the top of my Europa Builders Bookmarks.
BTW - Thanks to Steve "El Roto" for reinstating your site. And I
wonder about Steve Dunsmuir and N59XS who hasn't updated since November
2003?
I have thought about trying to post my builders diary out there
somewhere, but it is HUGE. Y2002 is 29MB, Y2003 is 108MB, Q1-Y2004 is
143MB and Q2-Y2004 is 118MB. If anyone out there has any
ideas/suggestions, I'd be happy to discuss them.
Good building and fantastic flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(65%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 29
Main Gear & 34 Door Latches.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
It's amazing how much you can get done in a long weekend.
Top on 2 weeks ago. This weekend------Sternpost in, rudder installed and working,
baggage bay bulkhead glassed in (what a miserable job glassing the back of
that). Still a little more to trim off of the port side on the sternpost to get
a full 30 deg's travel (figuring the finish of the rudder). Wound up taking
about 3/8" off the port side to get full travel. May have to take off approx 1/8"
more to get enough travel to include finishing with no rubbing.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Nose wheel inner tube |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
Anybody know a UK supplier of the nose wheel inner tube. The original is
made by Cheng Shin, size 11x4.00-5. Had an accident with ours!
Peter Field
Kit 566
loads of hours, not much progress!
See www.gchox.co.uk
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi ALL,
That IS a gel coat, but not a finnishing gel, [ie it will not stand up to UV]
To prepare for paint, dry sand with something like 240 grit paper.
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gel Coat
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 5/30/2004 7:14:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
DuaneFamly@aol.com writes:
> For those that have recently finished their aircraft painting......what did
>
> you do about the gel coat that covers the wings and fuselage? Sand it off?
> Roughen it only?
Hi Mike,
This subject came up a while back and according to Neville, it isn't gel
coat, but rather expancel and resin used to fill the weave of the cloth.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: First few hours N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I have thought about trying to post my builders diary out there
> somewhere, but it is HUGE. Y2002 is 29MB, Y2003 is 108MB, Q1-Y2004 is
> 143MB and Q2-Y2004 is 118MB. If anyone out there has any
> ideas/suggestions, I'd be happy to discuss them.
>
> Good building and fantastic flying,
> Bob Borger
I guess this is because you have lots of hi resolution pictures taking up 1,
2 or even three mB each. The resolution on a computer screen is such that a
cut down file size of about 150k is at the best resolution that can be
displayed. All bigger and better resolutions are a waste and just waste
bandwidth when accessing the site.
Pictures should be made smaller in file size before uploading to your web
site.
Comments from me - without a broadband connection. (ISDN only). However even
with a Broadband connection 3mB files take longer than you want to wait !
Especially if there are 50 to arrive !
Just my two worth !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel inner tube |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Peter.
May I suggest you contact Watts Aviation Tyres.01594 847290 and speak to the
Technical Guy. (Male not Female)
and remind him of my problems and the 11 x 4.00-5 tube being slightly too
large in sectional diameter.
By accident they fixed me up with a King Tire 11 x 3.5 -5 tube with the
bent valve tube. I think this is a more suitable fit than the Cheng Shin
original tube.
Also they have supplied me with a harder compound main gear tyre which is
better wearing than the Cheng Shin originals but of slightly square section
instead of round section.
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 Trike.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Field" <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Nose wheel inner tube
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field"
<peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
>
> Anybody know a UK supplier of the nose wheel inner tube. The original is
> made by Cheng Shin, size 11x4.00-5. Had an accident with ours!
> Peter Field
>
> Kit 566
>
> loads of hours, not much progress!
>
> See www.gchox.co.uk
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First few hours N378PJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Paul,
I have learned much from your Europa log. Please don't stop now!
craig ellison
A205
silverton,OR
waiting for the firewall forward kit and 914 to come. meanwhile sanding...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: First few hours N378PJ
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have flown a total of 6.5 hours this week and so far so good. I have
been particularly concerned about a fuel blockage so I took the gascolator
bowl off after a couple of hours. There was some sediment in the bowl but
nothing stuck to the screen. Previous to flying I cycled the entire tank
full through a filter twice and it seems like I might have got the bulk of
it.
>
> The aircraft is an absolute delight to fly, it is everything Europa said
it would be. It fly's hands off and seems to stall straight ahead, although
I haven't tried it with the flaps / gear down yet and based on Graham
Singletons mishap I have decided to fit some stall strips. The only
adjustment I might have to make is to the C of G, it seems further forward
than my calculations would suggest. . Take offs are quick, I operate off a
5000' runway and I can be at pattern altitude by the time I get to the end
of the runway. I haven't tried it with the prop set to takeoff pitch and
kicking in the turbo charger, I suspect that it would climb like a scolded
cat. The local grass strip is too wet at the moment so I have been working
of pavement. Its a bit of a handful and I don't fly if there is more than
20 degrees of cross wind component. I will have to work up to cross wind
landings very slowly.
>
> I haven't finished my ASI calibrations yet, but it is shaping up to being
good for 135 knots TAS without the speed kit on. I took it up to 10,000
feet to check the turbo charger waste gate adjustments to check to ensure it
would hold 34". A very rough speed check indicated a 160 knot TAS.
>
> I am wondering what to do about my WEB site (
http://europa363.versadev.com/ ) . Are folks interested in me writing up my
test flying ?, and possibly a trip diary? I be interested in some feed back
on this.
>
> Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel flow computer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 31/05/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I have to disagree with those that say the Benwick system is a bad one. Many
>people (including myself) have used them without problems. I am aware that
>the restrictor is a potential hazard if it were to become blocked by a lump
>of dirt but there shouldnt be lumps that size floating around any fuel
>system.
Carl
some one, Benwick? used a sensor that had a slot as restrictor in the flow
sensor. That one did cause a problem I remember.The width of the slot was
much less than the width of a circle of the same area, hence more prone to
blocking.
Graham
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| Subject: | fuel flow seners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 31/05/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I bought mine direct from Floscan in Seattle (about $160 but money well
>spent). I haven't got their contact details to hand. Try Google. If no joy
>remind me in a couple of days time and I will look it up for you. The
>Floscan is cast alloy and comes with 1/4" female NPT threads. Either
>incorporate it into a rigid pipe system or buy a couple of adaptors to mate
>with the 5/16" rubber hose.
Grand Rapids will sell you one foir sure.
I believe Floscan also sell them at reduced cost for use in automobiles. A
bit of research might be profitable
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
I have used rubbing alcohol with great success for removing Redux prior to it hardening.
The best results are after an hour or two of curing, at this stage
the Redux is gooey and the rubbing alcohol works well if you keep the cloth well
saturated. Works a treat.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Mono-Classic 914
The manual forbids us strictly to use acetone ( 'at all cost, even the apours
of
it' ) on the perspex screens.
Does somebody know a way to remove the very thin remnants of Redux from the
windows
after gluing them in.
I tried vinegar and that worked, but very hard. I'm sure there must be an
easier
way.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ken" <ken@soundsuckers.com>
On a Few of the RV's the owners are putting NACA vents just back of the
trailing edge of the wings to help exhaust the cabin air and relieve
cabin pressure. That may not be a place for positive air flow.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rocketman
Subject: Re: NACA vent placement (was RE: Europa-List: Gel Coat)
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
David DeFord wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
<davedeford@comcast.net>
>
>
>
>>Now for a question of my own. I'm considering where I should put the
>>NACA vent that will feed the eyeball vents that I'm installing in the
>>overhead panel. I have a fairly large vent with a 2" opening for the
>>feed tubing. Would the intake be effective if installed somewhere in
>>the vicinity of the battery, starboard side, behind the luggage tray,
>>just above flap level, or maybe even below flap level? Would it be
>>possible to locate it underneath the fuselage?
>>
>>Jeff - A055
>>
>>
>
>Jeff,
>
>I would avoid any location below the wings. We had a persistent
problem
>with carbon monoxide in N135TD, and one of the sources turned out to be
>exhaust gas that entered the rear fuselage through the flap drive
slots.
>Even though the air leaking from the tail cone into the cockpit was
diluted
>by a much larger intake from our fresh air vents, we still saw about 30
>parts per million of CO from this source. I suspect that the level
would be
>much higher, if your primary ventilation source were picking up air
that
>contained exhaust emissions. It might be okay if you kept the inlet on
the
>opposite side from the exhaust, but I would make careful measurements
in any
>case. Air pressure is likely to be lower on the aft fuselage surfaces,
so a
>more forward location may give better air flow as well.
>
>Dave DeFord
>N135TD (flying, 320 hours)
>
>
>
>
Dave,
Thanks for the information. I considered the exhaust gas problem, but
assumed that it would not be a problem on the lower starboard side of
the fuselage, due to the prop wash lifting it upward. I also assumed
that the lower fuselage, being fairly flat would give a good airflow
through the vent. Anyone have any experience with vent inlets in these
positions? Would it be possible for someone, with a running Europa, to
make a few CO2 measurements in the areas I'm talking about? Any
assistance would be greatly appreciated...
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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