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1. 04:34 AM - Re: Glass work (n3eu@comcast.net)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: Orbit to Continue - A Europa to circumnavigate the world (Andy Draper)
3. 06:41 AM - OSH Forum (Jim Butcher)
4. 10:47 AM - Re: US Europa Insurance (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
5. 10:52 AM - Re: Glass work (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
6. 11:08 AM - Re: US Europa Insurance (Dan Bish)
7. 11:10 AM - Re: Glass work (Paul Stewart)
8. 11:30 AM - Re: Glass work (Carpenter, Matt)
9. 12:37 PM - Re: US Europa Insurance (Cliff Shaw)
10. 03:58 PM - Photo Links (Tony Renshaw)
11. 07:12 PM - Photo Links (SteveD)
12. 07:12 PM - Photo Links (SteveD)
13. 11:25 PM - Re: Orbit to Continue - A Europa to circumnavigate the world (thomas@scherer.com)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Carpenter, Matt wrote:
> Since I am not the builder of my Europa, I have not had any experience with
> glass.
>
> My question is this: Can I buy a "glass repair" kit at the local store
> here?
The common fiberglass "repair kits" are polyester resin, and besides dissolving
polystyrene (blue) foam, polyester has other annoying characteristics. Home Depot
sells epoxy laminating resin as a pint each of resin and hardener. As a
50/50 mix, the stuff is simple to work with.
Regards,
Fred F.
N3EU
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| Subject: | Orbit to Continue - A Europa to circumnavigate the world |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Dear Thomas,
It's great to hear that you are due to close the circle. Good luck and safe flying.
Best regards
Andy Draper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
thomas@scherer.com
Subject: Europa-List: Orbit to Continue - A Europa to circumnavigate the
world
--> Europa-List message posted by: thomas@scherer.com
Dear fellow Europeans !
After having crossed the Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific
Ocean in my quest to circumnavigate the world in a
westerly direction - I am now getting ready to fly
N81EU from Central Asia to Germany.
Plans are to leave on a commercial airliner from my new
home - Los Angeles - tonight and reactivate the plane
in Ulan Bataar before flying her across the endless
steppes of Central Asia some time towards the end of
next week.
Please follow the events on my website:
www.thomas.scherer.com
Right after recovering from the parties in Bonn,
Germany, I hope to do the Atlantic ocean one more time
and be in the US in time for Oshkosh 2004.
I would love to hear from folks on the way - or who
might want to join in across the Atlantic.
Happy Landings !
<Thomas Scherer, N81EU>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
There will be a Builders Forum at OSH. It is scheduled for Tuesday, 7/27 from
4:00 pm to 5:15 pm in pavillion 02. They assigned the date and time - I asked
for later in the week but this is what I got!
There is no set agenda, just questions, answers, discussions etc. regarding building
and flying Europas. An opportunity to meet other builders and put faces
to names.
Hope to see you there.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
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| Subject: | Re: US Europa Insurance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Cliff & Steve,
You can say that again about them not being the cheapest. I just got my quote
from the info I gave them at Sun-N-Fun.
Use: Pleasure & Business (I told them pleasure only?)
Pilots: Me, Age 51, Private Pilot, Total Time 225hrs, Tailwheel 25hrs, Time
in Type 0hrs
Training: To be approved by underwriter
Aircraft: 2004 Europa (Boy! Are they optimistic), 2 seat, Engine - Rotax912S
Based at: California, Hangered @ Public airport, hard surface 3000ft.
Agreed Value: $70,000
Deductibles: $0 in Motion, $0 Not in Motion
Liability: $1,000,000 Combined Single Limit subject to $100,000 per passenger
Medical Payments Including Crew: $10,000 (Not enough!)
Annual Premium: $2,735
Does this seem a bit much? The medical payments would be $5k per person. That
wouldn't even cover a broken bone in the ER! They may treat you nice.....and
I don't like the lowest bidder either.....but there should be something
better. Or I think that I'll give them a call to see what can be adjusted to bring
the rate down. Like the zero deductible.....
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear being assembled
now.
Waiting fourteen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
While at Home Depot you can pick up one of the foam house insulation panels.
Not the white Styrene that have the large granules but the blue or pink rigid
stuff.
Another means of separating the results from the mold would be to wrap the
mold in SaranWrap (plastic food wrap). You can then reuse the mold.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear being assembled
now.
Waiting fourteen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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| Subject: | Re: US Europa Insurance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Cliff, at what point did you get insurance? During the build or after?
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: US Europa Insurance
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Steve
>
> I went through Falcon , the EAA plan agent. They may not be the
cheapest,
> but they will take good care of you. I have always been leery of the
> "lowest bidder" !!!
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: US Europa Insurance
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
> >
> > Flight,
> >
> >
> > For those with US based Europa's.Where did you get your aircraft
insurance
> > coverage from, coverage carried, and what can I expect the premiums to
run
> > annually.
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> >
> > Steve Crimm
> >
> >
> > Shopping for a complete Europa
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Mat
Most builders have probably got bin bags full of blue foam - the remains
of the blocks of foam from which all the flying surface cores came. If
there is someone close you might be able to 'borrow' some. If not ACS
sell it, don't know if Europa could supply a small amount - you're not
going to need big bits.
We made the ducts and the housings for the eyeball vents separately and
then joined them with tapes of glass cloth and resin but your summary of
blue foam shape, cover with glass/resin (2 layers is plenty) allow to
set then get rid of the foam is essentially correct. If you decide to go
this way and you wan't more details of what we did, drop me a line of list.
Regards
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
These are all great ideas! Thanks everybody.
Matt Carpenter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glass work
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
While at Home Depot you can pick up one of the foam house insulation panels.
Not the white Styrene that have the large granules but the blue or pink
rigid
stuff.
Another means of separating the results from the mold would be to wrap the
mold in SaranWrap (plastic food wrap). You can then reuse the mold.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear being assembled
now.
Waiting fourteen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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| Subject: | Re: US Europa Insurance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Don
I got "building" insurance while the kit was being assembled. When I went to
fly, I got liability insurance for 1M and no hull. They required 10 hours
duel in type before I would be covered. Premium $775 mono or trigear.
the underwriter is Global. Worked through Falcon (EAA)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: US Europa Insurance
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
>
> Cliff, at what point did you get insurance? During the build or after?
>
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: US Europa Insurance
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > I went through Falcon , the EAA plan agent. They may not be the
> cheapest,
> > but they will take good care of you. I have always been leery of the
> > "lowest bidder" !!!
> >
> > Cliff Shaw
> > 1041 Euclid ave.
> > Edmonds, WA 98020
> > 425 776 5555
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: US Europa Insurance
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> > <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
> > >
> > > Flight,
> > >
> > >
> > > For those with US based Europa's.Where did you get your aircraft
> insurance
> > > coverage from, coverage carried, and what can I expect the premiums to
> run
> > > annually.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Crimm
> > >
> > >
> > > Shopping for a complete Europa
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Matt,
I tried to have a look at your pictures on the link you put in your e-mail.
Did you know you can put the link right to the photo, or at the very least
into the directory you put them in. I did a search using your name to no
avail. So, if you could repost with the link that would be great. If a link
leads to a search, its not much good.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt"
><mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
>
>Paul,
>
>Yes, I did see your eyeball vent mod and that is what got me thinking about
>putting some in.
>In fact I am installing 2 eyeball vents down close to feet.. these provide
>heat.
>Right now they are just open holes.
>
>Terry, thanks for your link also.. It does look like you moved your NACA
>vent some. So I think for my mod I will need to go with Paul's idea.
>
>Let me make sure I have things down correctly.. I use blue foam (where do
>you get that?) and shape the foam. Lay the glass over the foam and allow it
>to setup with epoxy.. Then scrape the foam away from the hard glass, and
>POOOF there is a usable piece.
>
>
>Thanks...
>
>Matt Carpenter
>A138 N138WJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glass work
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
>Matt
>
>Can't answer your query about compatibility, but I have just completed
>some ducts and eyeball vents. There are some pics at
>http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ if you are interested. Have not flown them
>yet so cant vouch for their effectiveness.
>
>Regards
>
>Paul G-GIDY
>
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
I don't think Matt posted any pictures or links. Paul has some photos in the Gallery.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album57&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
( I got to get those URLs down in size)
The Gallery has its own search engine, so when you're in the Gallery type "vents"
in the search window and they'll come up.
chat later,
Steved
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EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org , Europa builders, photo Gallery and more.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
I don't think Matt posted any pictures or links. Paul has some photos in the Gallery.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album57&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
( I got to get those URLs down in size)
The Gallery has its own search engine, so when you're in the Gallery type "vents"
in the search window and they'll come up.
chat later,
Steved
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EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org , Europa builders, photo Gallery and more.
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| Subject: | Orbit to Continue - A Europa to circumnavigate the world |
--> Europa-List message posted by: thomas@scherer.com
Good to hear from you. I am in Ulan Bator - the plane
is in surpisingfly good shape. Engine sprang to life
rite away.
I need some Europa apparel for the landing in Germany -
there is supposedly some media attention. Maybe arrange
with my webmaster, Dietmar.
Be well !
<Thomas, N81EU>
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:20:07 +0100, "Andy Draper" wrote:
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper"
> <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
>
> Dear Thomas,
>
> It's great to hear that you are due to close the
> circle. Good luck and safe flying.
>
> Best regards
> Andy Draper
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of
> thomas@scherer.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Orbit to Continue - A Europa to
> circumnavigate the
> world
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: thomas@scherer.com
>
> Dear fellow Europeans !
>
> After having crossed the Atlantic Ocean and the
Pacific
> Ocean in my quest to circumnavigate the world in a
> westerly direction - I am now getting ready to fly
> N81EU from Central Asia to Germany.
>
> Plans are to leave on a commercial airliner from my
new
> home - Los Angeles - tonight and reactivate the plane
> in Ulan Bataar before flying her across the endless
> steppes of Central Asia some time towards the end of
> next week.
>
> Please follow the events on my website:
>
> www.thomas.scherer.com
>
> Right after recovering from the parties in Bonn,
> Germany, I hope to do the Atlantic ocean one more time
> and be in the US in time for Oshkosh 2004.
>
> I would love to hear from folks on the way - or who
> might want to join in across the Atlantic.
>
> Happy Landings !
>
> <Thomas Scherer, N81EU>
>
>
>
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