Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:55 AM - Subaru engines (Phil Brown)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Subaru engines (Jeremy Davey)
3. 06:07 AM - Re: Subaru engines (Pete Lawless)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: Feedback problem with the radio (Jos Okhuijsen)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: First Flight for ZK-TIM Monowheel Classic (Andy Draper)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: Feedback problem with the radio (Leo J. Corbalis)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: Feedback problem with the radio (Fergus Kyle)
8. 10:04 AM - Re: Subaru engines (Rowland Carson)
9. 10:04 AM - Re: FL13 spacer (Rowland Carson)
10. 12:53 PM - brakes and stuff (Paul Stewart)
11. 07:36 PM - Re: Feedback problem with the radio (n3eu@comcast.net)
12. 07:36 PM - Re: Feedback problem with the radio (n3eu@comcast.net)
13. 08:33 PM - Weeping drain valves (Paul McAllister)
14. 08:54 PM - Dynon (Craig Ellison)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Phil Brown" <philipbrown@onetel.net.uk>
HI
As a Vans RV builder I must apologise for invading your mail group but as someone
who is about to take on the leviathan task of getting the PFA to accept
a Subaru engine in my RV I turn to those who have "done it before". I've been
told that in the long distant past there were europas flying with Subaru's under
the bonnet....if you were that person or could point me in the right direction
I would be eternally grateful.
phil brown
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Phil,
There are certainly a few Subaru-powered Europas still flying, and some
under construction.
Names that come immediately to mind are Simon Collins, Mark Jackson, Bill
Wynne, but I'm sure there are others too.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but holding off
while I do a load of small jobs first
1100 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Brown
Subject: Europa-List: Subaru engines
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Phil Brown" <philipbrown@onetel.net.uk>
HI
As a Vans RV builder I must apologise for invading your mail group but as
someone who is about to take on the leviathan task of getting the PFA to
accept a Subaru engine in my RV I turn to those who have "done it before".
I've been told that in the long distant past there were europas flying with
Subaru's under the bonnet....if you were that person or could point me in
the right direction I would be eternally grateful.
phil brown
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Phil
Have a word with David Hunter at Kemble. David is as near as NSI get to
having a UK rep. Phone number is 07939 157426.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Brown
Subject: Europa-List: Subaru engines
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Phil Brown"
--> <philipbrown@onetel.net.uk>
HI
As a Vans RV builder I must apologise for invading your mail group
but as someone who is about to take on the leviathan task of getting the
PFA to accept a Subaru engine in my RV I turn to those who have "done it
before". I've been told that in the long distant past there were europas
flying with Subaru's under the bonnet....if you were that person or
could point me in the right direction I would be eternally grateful.
phil brown
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback problem with the radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
It's side tone level to be reduced,
Jos
Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net> kirjoitti Sun, 13 Jun 2004
22:49:49 -0500:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> To answer your question my set up has a push to talk for transmitting.
> If
> your theory is correct I should be able to improve the situation by
> reducing
> the microphone gain. The GX60's internal intercom has the following
> parameters that can be set:
>
> - RF Level
> - Headphone level
> - Side tone level
> - Intercom level
> - Intercom squelch
> - Noise level
>
> I was hoping to set one that said "Microphone gain", but alas no. I will
> dig
> out the manual tonight and see if any of the above settings might help.
>
> Cheers, Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Feedback problem with the radio
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>>
>> Paul,
>> It can sometimes be transmitted through tight clamping of
> units
>> in the system, but this does not sound like that symptom. If your
>> headset
>> earcups 'leak' then the acoustic feedback would be the cause. Tight
> earcups
>> tend to reduce that.
>> Is your system operated as 'VOX' - voice-operated
> transmission?
>> That is, do you have the sound of your voice open the transmitter, or do
> you
>> press a transmitt button? If the former, the sound from nearby will
> trigger
>> the transmitter open as well as the intercom. VOX is operated by two
>> datum
>> voltages - a large one which triggers the transmission and a smaller one
>> below which the transmitter shuts off. Both of these voltages is set by
>> a
>> pair of potentiometers usually somewhere moderately available to the
>> avionics bod who installs/repairs same. The same may apply to the
>> intercom
>> unit.
>> We'll keep an eye open for your solution when it comes.
>> Cheers, Ferg
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Feedback problem with the radio
>>
>>
>> | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
>> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>> |
>> | Hi All,
>> |
>> |
>> | I have an odd problem with my GX60 when trying to transmit. I found
>> it
>> would start oscillating, it would start with an echo and then break
>> into
>> full audio feedback, similar to as what a PA system does when the
> microphone
>> is too close to the speaker. I fooled with the problem for the longest
> time
>> and I finally narrowed it down to my LightSpeed headsets. I called
>> LightSpeed and sure enough they knew about the problem. They invited me
>> to
>> send the headsets back and they would fit a new shielded battery box.
> They
>> came back and they "sorta" worked, but unfortunately they would still do
> it.
>> |
>> | A this point I resigned myself to using my Telex 3500's. These always
>> seemed to work, but today they started to exhibit the same problem...
>> now
> I
>> am in a bit of a quandary on how to trouble shoot this problem. I do
>> not
>> have an audio panel at this time, I am using the internal intercom in
>> the
>> GX60.
>> |
>> | Does anyone have any ideas where to head with this.
>> |
>> | Paul
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | First Flight for ZK-TIM Monowheel Classic |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Dear Tim,
Many congratulations on getting your Europa into the air (and back down again).
I wish you all the very best and safe flying.
Don't forget to check and clean those filters regularly before every flight initially,
until you have faith that they don't need so much attention.
Good luck
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Stillwell; Ian Bentham; Greg Andy Draper
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight for ZK-TIM Monowheel Classic
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Well, after 7 years 1 month, with an extended high pressure system enveloped the
Canterbury Plains my wife asked me if this is THE day.
I said "I suppose so, no excuses now".
ZK-TIM had done 2.5 hours of ground running, taxy tests (Low speed and High ish
speeds) and all looked good. A few minor problems that would have to go on the
MEL (Minimum Equipment List..airline jargon) but quite within the DDPG (airline
jargon) otherwise after 5 hours on flying other Europas I was confident.
With the family standing outside the Wigram hangar I completed the run-up and now
'let the truth be told'.
The Rotax 912S with Airmaster Prop (empty weight 841 lbs) was very eager to show
me what it can do, and it didn't let me down. A very rapid acceleration occurred,
the forward pressure on the stick to raise the tail was soon calling and
what an impressive performance. Climbed away at 65kts and the undercarriage came
up with ease. Climb selected on the Airmaster Prop I had to bring the MP back
quickly to stop busting altitudes! and gaining too much speed. Took it around
the circuit, with a glide approach always available, to try out the controls
and they were very responsive. A little port aileron down needed to stop roll
(may be my weight) otherwise rudder balance good and elevator very effective.
Did an approach and overshoot to 200ft to try out the gear extension/ retraction
again (and wave to the family) and then climbed to 3000ft out of the circuit
to try one clean stall recovering at the buffet and that was sweet. Tried it
with gear/flap down only to the initial buffet and that was sweet. Very mild,
no wing drop and easy recovery.
Oil temperatures and pressures were all good, within the Rotax parameters. This
was a relief as I have the Classic cowlings and for the Rotax 912S I changed
the position of the Oil Cooler to underneath the spinner within the same lines
as the lower cowling. Airmaster Propeller worked very well as expected.
Then returned for a landing on the grass approaching 65 kts and brought it back
to 60kts and it quietly settled on the grass.
Many thanks to all you guys for tremendous help and friendship during the building.
Also to Andy and Neville and John for their wisdom and advice; Europa and
Ivan for such a 'classy' aircraft, and my wife, Adrienne, whom I married at the
beginning of the build, produced 3 children during the build, and we are still
together at the end of the build!!!
A special thanks to Gavin Lee, Russell Lister, Pat Scotter Ron Smith and Tony K.
of NZ, who have always been so accommodating with their expertise.
Keep building, as that 'Europa smile' when I returned back, captured by the family
, is well worth waiting for.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph 0064 3 3515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback problem with the radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
If you don't have feedback on the intercom function, you have an RF feedback
problem. The shielded battery box says that 's what Lightspeed thinks too.
Transistors are a bunch of diodes that just love to rectify your RF. Since
you have a Europa, moving the antenna is not very attractive as suggestions
go. Try placing some .01 capacitors around the system to short out the RF.
If possible, in the battery box between the audio wires and the ground wire
and between + and - on the box terminals. Another good spot is on the
headset socket, do both if possible. As a test you could wrap a long strip
of aluminum foil around the headset wires and ground it to the earphone
socket with a short wire with alligator clips.
Hope this helps. RF shielding is really a black art.
Leo Corbalis
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Feedback problem with the radio
> |
> > | I have an odd problem with my GX60 when trying to transmit. I found
it
> > would start oscillating, it would start with an echo and then break
into
> > full audio feedback, similar to as what a PA system does when the
> microphone
> > is too close to the speaker. I fooled with the problem for the longest
> time
> > and I finally narrowed it down to my LightSpeed headsets. I called
> > LightSpeed and sure enough they knew about the problem. They invited me
to
> > send the headsets back and they would fit a new shielded battery box.
> They
> > came back and they "sorta" worked, but unfortunately they would still do
> it.
> > |
> > | A this point I resigned myself to using my Telex 3500's. These always
> > seemed to work, but today they started to exhibit the same problem...
now
> I
> > am in a bit of a quandary on how to trouble shoot this problem. I do
not
> > have an audio panel at this time, I am using the internal intercom in
the
> > GX60.
> > |
> > | Does anyone have any ideas where to head with this.
> > |
> > | Paul
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback problem with the radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Yo Paul,
Actually it's Ferg, but the error is easily made, not that it
matters that much
It is difficult to assess from here because different makers assign
different terms to various functions. I will await your scouring the manual
for any clues.
Basically, I think your problem is acoustic feedback, but RF feedback may
also be present. The latter is less likely with transistors than with tubes,
so I think your earphones may be leaking excess volume to the region of the
mike. VOX in a Stearman is a constant problem because of the large
background volume of the engine in an open cockpit.
Also, there is always 'noise' in an electrical/electronic circuit
(called internal noise) due to ions and so forth jumping about but always
worse in tubes than transistors. The squelch is installed to make the mike
insensitive to this and that's the "threshold" for sensitivity. Noise below
that doesn't get through. The other datum sets the level at which your voice
triggers the audio. It gets sticky beyond that, but the Squelch knob on the
front usually sets the level at which external noise shuts off the mike -
but then perhaps I'm being too simple.
Let's see what the manual says - probly makes an ass of my remarks.
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Feedback problem with the radio
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
|
| Hi Fred,
|
| To answer your question my set up has a push to talk for transmitting. If
| your theory is correct I should be able to improve the situation by
reducing
| the microphone gain. The GX60's internal intercom has the following
| parameters that can be set:
|
| - RF Level
| - Headphone level
| - Side tone level
| - Intercom level
| - Intercom squelch
| - Noise level
|
| I was hoping to set one that said "Microphone gain", but alas no. I will
dig
| out the manual tonight and see if any of the above settings might help.
|
| Cheers, Paul
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: Feedback problem with the radio
|
|
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| >
| > Paul,
| > It can sometimes be transmitted through tight clamping of
| units
| > in the system, but this does not sound like that symptom. If your
headset
| > earcups 'leak' then the acoustic feedback would be the cause. Tight
| earcups
| > tend to reduce that.
| > Is your system operated as 'VOX' - voice-operated
| transmission?
| > That is, do you have the sound of your voice open the transmitter, or do
| you
| > press a transmitt button? If the former, the sound from nearby will
| trigger
| > the transmitter open as well as the intercom. VOX is operated by two
datum
| > voltages - a large one which triggers the transmission and a smaller one
| > below which the transmitter shuts off. Both of these voltages is set by
a
| > pair of potentiometers usually somewhere moderately available to the
| > avionics bod who installs/repairs same. The same may apply to the
intercom
| > unit.
| > We'll keep an eye open for your solution when it comes.
| > Cheers, Ferg
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
| > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
| > Subject: Europa-List: Feedback problem with the radio
| >
| >
| > | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
| > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
| > |
| > | Hi All,
| > |
| > |
| > | I have an odd problem with my GX60 when trying to transmit. I found
it
| > would start oscillating, it would start with an echo and then break
into
| > full audio feedback, similar to as what a PA system does when the
| microphone
| > is too close to the speaker. I fooled with the problem for the longest
| time
| > and I finally narrowed it down to my LightSpeed headsets. I called
| > LightSpeed and sure enough they knew about the problem. They invited me
to
| > send the headsets back and they would fit a new shielded battery box.
| They
| > came back and they "sorta" worked, but unfortunately they would still do
| it.
| > |
| > | A this point I resigned myself to using my Telex 3500's. These always
| > seemed to work, but today they started to exhibit the same problem...
now
| I
| > am in a bit of a quandary on how to trouble shoot this problem. I do
not
| > have an audio panel at this time, I am using the internal intercom in
the
| > GX60.
| > |
| > | Does anyone have any ideas where to head with this.
| > |
| > | Paul
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru engines |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-06-14 09:53 +0100 Phil Brown wrote:
>I've been told that in the long distant past there were europas
>flying with Subaru's
Phil - my records show that 11 Subaru-engined Europas are flying
worldwide, and at least 3 of those now written-off also had Subaru
engines. You can find a lot of info in the "flying aircraft" table on
the Europa Club website, but to save you time (and Francis D the
effort of cross-referencing the project numbers from the registration
marks), the 8 still flying in UK are:
project mark
12506 G-IGII
12522 G-OURO
12535 G-EESA
12540 G-SYCO
12703 G-BWUP
12747 G-RICS
12780 G-TERN
12967 G-CHEB
The information is correct as far as I know, but changes may have
occurred since last I heard from the people concerned. Hope this
helps!
regards
Rowland
PS: As a number of RV people were heard to say at the PFA Rally last
year, why haven't the RV community got an organisation as efficient
as the Europa Club? :-) (sorry, couldn't resist it!)
--
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (710 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-06-13 17:29 -0700 Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>I still have the
>FL23 spacer, and I am not sure where that goes
Andrew - you need my part number to manual page cross-reference*!
FL23 goes on the AN525-10R16 bolt which passes through the bottom end
of FL16. In my printed monowheel manual, that is shown on page 28-16.
However, in the PDF version of the manual, pages 28-16 and 28-17 have
been swapped.
You might think you could search the PDF for the part number, but
FL23, like many others, is only called out in hand-written text on
drawing pages (ie, embedded in a graphic), and so cannot be located
by a text searches.
* [ADV: on the Europa Club CD-ROM]
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | brakes and stuff |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Trying to cram everything into the tunnel including the main wheel and
brake cylinder. Firstly the suggested route for the brake line - (along
the top of the S/A forward of LGO8 and then top of the tunnel near
throttle cables) - seems way too far for the brake line I have. Second I
seem to remember a factory 'Tech talk' in relation to the brake caliper,
but can't lay my hands on it can anyone remember which issue.
Can anyone shed any light on this mystery.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
Engine off again now to sort out firewall
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback problem with the radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Paul McAllister wrote:
> ...
> I was hoping to set one that said "Microphone gain", but alas no.
Forget the alas part, as seems (desirable) auto mic audio leveling is about
standard on new boxes, with the chip to do the job about $1. Lowering mic
gain could indirectly and incorrectly fix the real problem, and you won't be
effectively using all the xmit watts you paid for.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback problem with the radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Fergus Kyle wrote:
> ...but RF feedback may also be present. The latter is less
> likely with transistors than with tubes....
I agree it could be RF pickup and a 1st guess at that. But bipolar transistors
can do pretty good job of "rectification" with 10W coming out of an antenna
6 feet away from whatever is picking it up. That's about 3+ volts of
electromagnetic field at that distance, and unlike metal airplanes, the RF
energy inside the fuselage of a plastic airplane is as strong as it is outside.
Worse yet, you might agree Ferg, is that at VHF comm frequencies, there's
the "near-field effect" within about 8 feet from the antenna, meaning
whatever is picking it up need not be of a much of a tuned element to cause
bad things. If able to move the antenna, it may not take much, as near
field attenuates with the cube of the distance.
No one has specifically mentioned that the mic audio wires - ground + hot -
should be inside a shield which is grounded at the radio end.
Paul, RF pickup can be determined by severely attenuating the output from
the antenna, by several methods, if you'll repost the need to do so as last
resort.
Reg,
Fred F.
N3EU
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| Subject: | Weeping drain valves |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I am having trouble with the spring loaded drain valve on the bottom of my Gascolator.
It seems that the smallest amount of crud underneath the "O" ring causes
it to drip and the only way I can clean it is to remove it, wash it out with
alcohol and a tooth brush.
Does any one have a recommendation of a better valve or a way of cleaning it without
removal.
Thanks, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
All,
I've been trying to decide what instruments to put in my panel and have
narrowed it down some but still have some questions. Have any Europa
builders that have installed the Dynon D-10 found it necessary to install
the external magnetic sensor and if so what location did they use. Thanks
in advance for any input.
craig ellison
A205
Wings,flying surfaces ready for paint, fuselage ready for paint except for
firewall forward. Waiting for FF and engine.
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From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Photo Links
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
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> I don't think Matt posted any pictures or links. Paul has some photos in
the Gallery.
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http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album57&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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> ( I got to get those URLs down in size)
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> The Gallery has its own search engine, so when you're in the Gallery type
"vents" in the search window and they'll come up.
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> chat later,
> Steved
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> EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org , Europa builders, photo
Gallery and more.
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