Europa-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/15/04


Total Messages Posted: 16



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:58 AM - Re: Subaru engines (Ramperf@aol.com)
     2. 07:51 AM - You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! (Russell Johnson)
     3. 08:02 AM - Re: Subaru engines (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
     4. 08:59 AM - Re: Subaru engines (Neville Eyre)
     5. 11:32 AM - Re: Weeping drain valves (Ami McFadyean)
     6. 01:35 PM - mono wheel trailer (Mike)
     7. 01:40 PM - Re: Subaru engines (GLENN CROWDER)
     8. 03:43 PM - Re: Seats (Kingsley Hurst)
     9. 04:02 PM - Re: Dynon (James Nelson)
    10. 06:50 PM - Re: Dynon (Cliff Shaw)
    11. 07:00 PM - Re: Dynon (Craig Ellison)
    12. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Subaru engines (tom@tompaul.com)
    13. 09:03 PM - Re: Dynon (Cliff Shaw)
    14. 09:40 PM - Europas at Oshkosh (Bob Jacobsen)
    15. 09:58 PM - Re: Subaru engines (Kingsley Hurst)
    16. 10:04 PM - Speed fairings -Tri-Gear (Cliff Shaw)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:58:49 AM PST US
    From: Ramperf@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Subaru engines
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com Phil Check out www.ramengines.com Glenn Crowder is using one their engines at 140hp wow! Ron


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    Time: 07:51:38 AM PST US
    From: Russell Johnson <entec1@pld.com>
    Subject: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage!
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Russell Johnson <entec1@pld.com> Dear Customer! You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage from voicemessage.com website! You can listen your Virtual VoiceMessage at the following link: http://virt.voicemessage.com/index.listen.php2=35affv or by clicking the attached link. Send VoiceMessage! Try our new virtual VoiceMessage Empire! Best regards: SNAF.Team (R).


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    Time: 08:02:55 AM PST US
    From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Subaru engines
    --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 6/15/2004 7:59:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ramperf@aol.com writes: > Phil > > Check out www.ramengines.com Glenn Crowder is using one their engines at > 140hp wow! > Ron > > Yeah, but what does his W&B look like and what is his fuel consumption? Is > it dual ignition? Does anybody know how to get in touch with him? The intake > below the prop looks a bit goofy, but for 120-130hp I could get used to it. > > I've looked at the Ram website and I see no mention of exhaust included in > their engine weights, ignition type and no mention of whether or not their > published weights are true "ramp weight" including fluids. I didn't spend a lot > of time looking at it though. The price is excellent, and there are plenty of > low time engines available thanks to strict environmental regulations in > Japan. I'm going to have to give these folks a call. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (still coming up with things to do before the top goes on) > >


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    Time: 08:59:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Subaru engines
    From: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com> Hi All, When you fit a Subaru powerplant to a Europa [whoever makes the conversion kit], because of the extra weight over and above that of a Rotax, the increased polar inertia totally messes up a very fine handling aeroplane. Look at the AAIB records to see that most of the Europa's involved in ''engine failure incidents'' have been powered by Subaru.There does not seem to be any problem with the Subaru part of the equation, only the add on systems. Cheers, Nev. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Subaru engines --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 6/15/2004 7:59:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ramperf@aol.com writes: > Phil > > Check out www.ramengines.com Glenn Crowder is using one their engines at > 140hp wow! > Ron > > Yeah, but what does his W&B look like and what is his fuel consumption? Is > it dual ignition? Does anybody know how to get in touch with him? The intake > below the prop looks a bit goofy, but for 120-130hp I could get used to it. > > I've looked at the Ram website and I see no mention of exhaust included in > their engine weights, ignition type and no mention of whether or not their > published weights are true "ramp weight" including fluids. I didn't spend a lot > of time looking at it though. The price is excellent, and there are plenty of > low time engines available thanks to strict environmental regulations in > Japan. I'm going to have to give these folks a call. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (still coming up with things to do before the top goes on) > >


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    Time: 11:32:54 AM PST US
    From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Weeping drain valves
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> I had that problem with the standard SAF drain valve. Solution was to replace the O-ring; it seems the slightest amount of damage,scuffing or wear makes them leak. I also carry spare O-rings (Viton). Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Subject: Europa-List: Weeping drain valves > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > > Hi All, > > I am having trouble with the spring loaded drain valve on the bottom of my Gascolator. It seems that the smallest amount of crud underneath the "O" ring causes it to drip and the only way I can clean it is to remove it, wash it out with alcohol and a tooth brush. > > Does any one have a recommendation of a better valve or a way of cleaning it without removal. > > Thanks, Paul > >


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    Time: 01:35:51 PM PST US
    From: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
    Subject: mono wheel trailer
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net> I'm considering getting a trailer for my XS mono. I understand that later models are greatly superior to the original. Should I be looking for any particular extras/additions? What's the going rate for a second hand one just now. I think the factory price is a little over the top. Mike Gamble XS 440 Most things made and can't think of anything else to do before topping out.


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    Time: 01:40:27 PM PST US
    From: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: RE: Subaru engines
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com> Hello all! I have never posted to the list before, being somewhat of a list lurker having never felt that I had anything much positive to contribute. I have been flying a Subaru EA81 powered Monowheel Classic since 1999 with slowly improving success. I am the second owner, the plane being the first Europa completed in the US and had one of the first NSI (claimed 108 hp) firewall forward units. The plane has been down at least 75% of the time I have had it since I cannot seem to resist the urge to make changes and improvements! I have now made most of the XS mods, and have spent a lot of time making cooling system and engine upgrades which I feel were necessary to get performance to the level I thought was appropriate for this plane. The performance with the original NSI conversion was not good enough flying in Denver Colorado at 5280 msl. I am 220 lbs and my instuctor is 180 and typical hot summer day density altitudes are close to 8000 ft! I was getting about 130 mph top speed and about 650 fpm climb, 350 with passenger. After one particularly "interesting" downwind uphill takeoff on a hot day with my instructor aboard, I decided I needed more power and had the original NSI version EA81 modified by Ram Performance in Ohio (Ramengines.com). There is a picture of my engine on his site. He used a distributor for his in house testing, but I am using the original NSI dual electronic ignition, which has been flawless. Ron at Ram Performance claims 137 hp, and does have his own dyno, but all I can go by is performance. Performance numbers are greatly improved from the previous engine and I have been very pleased. Climb rate went to 1100 fpm solo and top speed went up to 150 mph (GPS @ 7000' msl). Since installing this engine about a year ago the biggest problem I have had is finding an appropriate propeller to match the higher engine performance. The Warp Drive propeller blades just don't seem to allow much higher speeds than about 150 mph, not having enough blade area or twist. I tried a Warnke 2 bladed prop that got 1300 fpm climb solo and a top speed of 160 mph but created a bad prop resonance that could only be fixed by staying with a 3 bladed prop (like the Warp Drive). I am just now installing a Catto 3 bladed composite custom unit that I've waited on 5 months that I hope will make a big improvement. I'm also installing the speed fairing kit that hopefully should get 5 mph and starting on a wheel fairing around the monowheel that should clean up the underside a bit. I am still waiting for a roller rocker kit from Ram that could provide another pony or two - Ron claims 5 hp. I can provide more information and performance numbers and post pictures if anyone is interested. Glenn Crowder Golden, Colorado USA http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/


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    Time: 03:43:54 PM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
    Subject: Seats
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au> Hello All, As a result of reading the recent postings in respect of seating, I emailed Oregon Aero to enquire if they manufacture seats specifically for a Europa. FYI their reply is below. Regards Kingsley Hurst Mono Classic 281 in Oz. Build stage shown at >>>>> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Builders-Album&id=F uselage_assembled_150604&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view _photo.php Hello Kingsley, Unfortunately we have not manufactured a cushion set for the Europa. We do not have a working pattern. We have worked with a few Europa owners to try and get a design, however none of them have stuck with the program long enough to make a cushion set and send it for trial fit. So we need some pictures and very detailed drawing to start this program again. Also after we make a set of cushion, we need to trial fix them in a Europa aircraft. Because you live so far away, it would not be practical to send cushions back and forth to Australia for trial fit. Hopefully we can find someone in the USA with a Europa, who is willing to work with us. I can only guess at what the price would be somewhere around $300.00 per seat for un-upholstered cushions. If you wanted Fabric (cloth) Upholstery the price range would be about $700.00 per seat. We also do Custom Leather Upholstery; the price range would be about $950.00 per seat. I will let you know if we ever manufacture a cushion set for a Europa.


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    Time: 04:02:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Dynon
    From: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com> Craig, I'm told that the unit without the remote mag sensor, is good for only about 10 degrees. With the remote sensor its good for about 2 degrees. Jim Nelson N15JN On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:53:47 -0700 "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> writes: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" > <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> > > All, > I've been trying to decide what instruments to put in my panel and > have > narrowed it down some but still have some questions. Have any > Europa > builders that have installed the Dynon D-10 found it necessary to > install > the external magnetic sensor and if so what location did they use. > Thanks > in advance for any input. > > craig ellison > A205 > Wings,flying surfaces ready for paint, fuselage ready for paint > except for > firewall forward. Waiting for FF and engine. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>; <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Europa-List: Photo Links > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" > <Post2Forum@comcast.net> > > > > > > I don't think Matt posted any pictures or links. Paul has some > photos in > the Gallery. > > > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album57&op=modload&n ame=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php > > > > ( I got to get those URLs down in size) > > > > The Gallery has its own search engine, so when you're in the > Gallery type > "vents" in the search window and they'll come up. > > > > chat later, > > Steved > > > > ---------------- > > EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org , Europa builders, > photo > Gallery and more. > > > > > > > = > = > === > = > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:50:05 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Dynon
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> I have a Dynion D10 in my "Wile E. Coyote" (A229 XS N229WC ) I also installed the external manometer with the OAT probe. It is worth the money in my opinion. Works very well and easy to install and set up. (be sure to wire up the RS232 serial port wires for your laptop computer) Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 > All, > I've been trying to decide what instruments to put in my panel and have > narrowed it down some but still have some questions. Have any Europa > builders that have installed the Dynon D-10 found it necessary to install > the external magnetic sensor and if so what location did they use. Thanks


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    Time: 07:00:16 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Dynon
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> Jim, I was hoping the internal sensor was good enough without the added hastle of mouting the external sensor. By looking over the install instructions it seems somewhat complicated getting it lined up exactly in the same position as that of the main unit. craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com> > > Craig, > I'm told that the unit without the remote mag sensor, is good for > only about 10 degrees. With the remote sensor its good for about 2 > degrees. > > Jim Nelson > N15JN > > On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:53:47 -0700 "Craig Ellison" > <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> writes: > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" > > <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> > > > > All, > > I've been trying to decide what instruments to put in my panel and > > have > > narrowed it down some but still have some questions. Have any > > Europa > > builders that have installed the Dynon D-10 found it necessary to > > install > > the external magnetic sensor and if so what location did they use. > > Thanks > > in advance for any input. > > > > craig ellison > > A205 > > Wings,flying surfaces ready for paint, fuselage ready for paint > > except for > > firewall forward. Waiting for FF and engine. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>; <europa-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Europa-List: Photo Links > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" > > <Post2Forum@comcast.net> > > > > > > > > > I don't think Matt posted any pictures or links. Paul has some > > photos in > > the Gallery. > > > > > > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album57&op=modload&n > ame=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php > > > > > > ( I got to get those URLs down in size) > > > > > > The Gallery has its own search engine, so when you're in the > > Gallery type > > "vents" in the search window and they'll come up. > > > > > > chat later, > > > Steved > > > > > > ---------------- > > > EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org , Europa builders, > > photo > > Gallery and more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:05:47 PM PST US
    From: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: Subaru engines
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com> On Jun 15, 2004, at 10:40 PM, GLENN CROWDER wrote: > Since installing this engine about a year ago the > biggest problem I have had is finding an appropriate propeller to > match the > higher engine performance. Why not use the expensive but popular airmaster constant speed?


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    Time: 09:03:45 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Dynon
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> Craig I did not have a hard time putting the magnetometer unit under the pilots seat in the outer knee space. I made a little platform with studs sticking up that the unit just slides down over. The calibration procedure is much easer to do than swinging the regular magnetic compass. In flight the heading reading is very easy to use. I was flying today out to the most Western tip of the "lower 48". Betty and I and a full load of sand bags made the 2 hour round trip in bright sunshine. It was a beautiful day, a very appreciated thing up here in this part of the world. We are making plans to fly to Oshkosh in July. Hope to see many other Europa people there. See you all at the Europa tent at the North end of the display aria. Special parking is being set aside for all Europes that fly in !!!!! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> > > Jim, > I was hoping the internal sensor was good enough without the added hastle of > mouting the external sensor. By looking over the install instructions it > seems somewhat complicated getting it lined up exactly in the same position > as that of the main unit. > > craig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com> > > > > Craig, > > I'm told that the unit without the remote mag sensor, is good for > > only about 10 degrees. With the remote sensor its good for about 2 > > degrees. > > > > Jim Nelson > > N15JN > > > > On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:53:47 -0700 "Craig Ellison" > > <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> writes: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" > > > <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> > > > > > > All, > > > I've been trying to decide what instruments to put in my panel and > > > have > > > narrowed it down some but still have some questions. Have any > > > Europa > > > builders that have installed the Dynon D-10 found it necessary to > > > install > > > the external magnetic sensor and if so what location did they use. > > > Thanks > > > in advance for any input. > > > > > > craig ellison > > > A205 > > > Wings,flying surfaces ready for paint, fuselage ready for paint > > > except for > > > firewall forward. Waiting for FF and engine. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> > > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>; <europa-list@matronics.com> > > > Subject: Europa-List: Photo Links > > > > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" > > > <Post2Forum@comcast.net> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Matt posted any pictures or links. Paul has some > > > photos in > > > the Gallery. > > > > > > > > > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album57&op=modload&n > > ame=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php > > > > > > > > ( I got to get those URLs down in size) > > > > > > > > The Gallery has its own search engine, so when you're in the > > > Gallery type > > > "vents" in the search window and they'll come up. > > > > > > > > chat later, > > > > Steved > > > > > > > > ---------------- > > > > EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org , Europa builders, > > > photo > > > Gallery and more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:40:38 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Europas at Oshkosh
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com> Hello All, Airventure is getting closer and now is the time to really start thinking about going. John has reserved a special parking area for Europas that will hold up to 30 airplanes. He has also moved the Europa booth so it will adjacent to the parking area. This will allow us to have an excellent presence and also to keep an eye on everyones airplane during the event. We will have some type of special sign so event parking staff will know where the Europa's go. John is also planning some special events that involve FOOD! like dinners or breakfasts for all Europa builders and pilots. But we NEED TO KNOW if you are planning on being at Airventure this year. Double check the infomation at www.europa-usa.com If you are not listed as attending and are going to be there please drop me (Bob) an e-mail at info@galaxyhobby.com or reply to this one and we will add you to the list. Best to contact me (not John) and I will keep the list up to date every day. If you are planning on flying - this is the year to do it!!! I would love to have 20 Europa's show up. Cliff, Jerry & I are planning on leaving the Seattle area on July 23rd and flying back basically along the I-90 route - If anyone wants to join up with us along the way let me know that also. Time to get cracking!!! I know there are more of you going then I have on the list now so please let me know. Happy building - or even better flying!! Bob Jacobsen


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    Time: 09:58:04 PM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
    Subject: Subaru engines
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au> Glen Crowder wrote :- > Since installing this engine about a year ago the > biggest problem I have had is finding an appropriate propeller to > match the > higher engine performance. Tom wrote :- Why not use the expensive but popular airmaster constant speed? My 2c worth :- While I wont ever have this problem, if I did, I would be looking very hard at a Rospeller Prop from Germany. Barry Wrenford from Jindabyne in the Snowy Mountains of Australia had the very same problem. See his solution at >> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=FlyingEuropas&id=Ba rry_Wrenfords_Europa&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_pho to.php You can also read Barry's article about propellers at >> http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/Mods/rospeller.htm Regards Kingsley in Oz


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    Time: 10:04:43 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Speed fairings -Tri-Gear
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> All OK, today was the day I measured the airspeed with the wheel pants installed. I had them on before, but did not know the airspeed. I am sure I got 4 MPH more today than last week with out the wheel pants installed. I had the landing gear leg faring on each time, so the over all improvement with the speed kit is well within the 5 MPH that has been reported earlier. I thing the pants are well worth the trouble of installing. I do have a tip for locating the mounting holes in the pants when you have the brackets installed on the legs. I put four hi-intensity mag light bulbs taped on the brackets shinning outward. (soldered wires to the bulbs and to clips on a battery) Slid the fiberglass wheel pants over the brackets and used a marking pen to mark the bright spot of light shining through the fiberglass. It worked for me. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Speed fairings - XS Mono > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com> > > Paul > > We have the XS mono wheel with a 914. After installing the speed fairings we picked > up 2 or 3 knots at best. > > I thank that maby the tri -gear may show more improvement than the mono-wheel > > What about it, tri gear owners?????????? > > Jim Brown > N398JB




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