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1. 12:07 AM - Subaru engines (Graham Singleton)
2. 12:20 AM - mono wheel trailer (Graham Singleton)
3. 12:34 AM - RE : mono wheel trailer (Auvray)
4. 07:36 AM - Europa props for Subaru (GLENN CROWDER)
5. 08:51 AM - europa handling with subaru (GLENN CROWDER)
6. 10:18 AM - Re: Speed fairings -Tri-Gear (Alan Stewart)
7. 12:27 PM - AW: Seats (Europa (Alfred Buess))
8. 12:36 PM - Re: Hotels/Weather=French trip (bryan allsop)
9. 02:55 PM - Re: Europa props for Subaru (David Joyce)
10. 07:54 PM - Canadian Aviation Expo (Peter Zutrauen)
11. 10:03 PM - Re: Re: Hotels/Weather=French trip (R.C.Harrison)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 15/06/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>From: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
>Hi All,
>When you fit a Subaru powerplant to a Europa [whoever makes the conversion
>kit],
>because of the extra weight over and above that of a Rotax, the increased
>polar
>inertia totally messes up a very fine handling aeroplane.
>Look at the AAIB records to see that most of the Europa's involved in ''engine
>failure incidents'' have been powered by Subaru.There does not seem to be any
>problem with the Subaru part of the equation, only the add on systems.
>Cheers,
>Nev.
Neville is right about that with regard to the Europa, however most were
fitted with NSI conversions and the gearbox was usually the culprit. There
are several other conversions however, if I had an RV I might consider one,
there are several successful 2.5 liter conversions out there, not least
Charlie Airesman with a very fast, efficient Vari Eze
Graham
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| Subject: | mono wheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 15/06/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>From: "Mike"
>Subject: Europa-List: mono wheel trailer
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
>
>I'm considering getting a trailer for my XS mono.
>I understand that later models are greatly superior to the original.
>Should I be
>looking for any particular extras/additions?
>What's the going rate for a second hand one just now.
>I think the factory price is a little over the top.
>Mike Gamble
Mike
I have a covered trailer which might do well for an XS mono. It was made
for a Vari Eze but should suit a mono with some modification. It's near
Ashbourne, Derbys. if you're interested
Graham
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| Subject: | mono wheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Auvray" <m.auvray@aerodyne-int.com>
Hello all,
I have one Europa classic monowheel trailer for sale.
Price is 1500 the trailer is in Persan beaumont north west of Paris 60
km near the runway A26 (Paris to Calais)
The model is old model and stronger and better than the last model
(Europa factory origin)
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Michel AUVRAY
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Envoy : mardi 15 juin 2004 22:31
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : Europa-List: mono wheel trailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
I'm considering getting a trailer for my XS mono.
I understand that later models are greatly superior to the original.
Should I be looking for any particular extras/additions? What's the
going rate for a second hand one just now. I think the factory price is
a little over the top. Mike Gamble XS 440 Most things made and can't
think of anything else to do before topping out.
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| Subject: | Europa props for Subaru |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
>Hey Tom!
> The problem for me (and also for any Warp Drive users on higher
>performance aircraft) is that
>the Warp Drive blades do not have enough twist to be efficient at (or
>allow) higher speeds.
>Every propeller has a designed in "pitch speed" that it is most efficient
>at.
> The WD prop was originally designed as a prop for ultralight aircraft.
>Ultralight aircraft are typically
>too draggy to go faster than 100 mph. It is a very fine propeller for this
>application and for speeds
>up to about 135 mph. Higher speeds than this require a large amount of
>pitch in close to the
>hub to avoid going into reverse thrust in this area. The WD is very
>efficient at its designed speed
>but it is a one size fits all approach. One can obtain higher performance
>(at least at higher speeds)
>by designing a prop with more twist. At the same time, you need a wider
>blade to absorb higher
>horsepower.
> As far as the Airmaster goes, I'm sure its a very fine propeller, but it,
>the NSI CAP 140 (which I
>have), the Kremen and others all use the WD blades. I think the Arplast
>uses their own blades.
>The big benefit I observed with the NSI CAP 140 was a shorter takeoff roll
>and slightly better initial climb, but I played with it for minutes at a
>time at WOT and there was no improvement at higher speeds over a ground
>adjustable WD prop. How could there be, they are the same blades!
> I did some research a while back and received the following reply from
>Stuart Gort Sr, owner of
>PowerFin props. He is a very helpful fellow.
> Let me know if I can be of further help!
>
>>From: "Stuart Gort Sr." <info@powerfin.com>
>>To: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: powerfin prop for Subaru powered Europa
>>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:00:47 -0800
>>
>>Hi Glen,
>>
>>The Powerfin B-model has only about 2 more degrees of twist than the Warp.
>>The twist is important on your application because as you approach the
>>fast part of the flight envelope, the inboard sections of the prop begin
>>to go into beta mode. This means the air is being accelerated over the
>>lower camber faster than over the upper camber, essentially making reverse
>>thrust (or at least making enough drag to be the main factor in acheiving
>>equilibium - no more acceleration). Our prop, because of the 2 more
>>degrees might have some positive effect but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
>>Chances are that any improvement would be negligible. For airplanes in the
>>135 mph range, a proper design might have about 40 - 50 degrees of twist
>>from the tip to the most inboard definable sections. A Warp, at 64" has
>>about 13 degrees. So, the lack of twist on the Warp and the resulting drag
>>on the inboard stations is certainly slowing you down but there is no off
>>the shelf design out there yet that can well accomodate your plane.
>>
>>It's not moment of inertia that is making vibration for you. It's
>>resonance typical to running a two blade prop with a reduction ratio near
>>2:1. The blade is almost in the exact same postion every time the engine
>>fires. Having a ratio that is near 2:1 but not exactly helps this a little
>>but 2.04:1 is pretty close and the fact that 204 is divisable by who know
>>how many factors isn't helping either. It takes some time to fully
>>explain, but in a nutshell; the more factors 204 has, the less number of
>>revolutions the propeller makes before the blade blade is in the exact
>>same postion as the engine fires. It's complicated but if 203 was a prime
>>number (I don't know if it is), then a 2.03:1 gear drive would result in
>>the blade going around 203 times before it was in the exact same postion
>>as the engine fires, reducing the propensity to resonate. Not eliminating
>>it but minimizing it to its lowest possibility.
>>
>>In short, you're stuck with a little vibration if you want that speed
>>because the two blade, fixed pitch prop guys are the only ones making
>>props with more twist. That's why you're getting the desired speed with
>>just about every one. You could hope to find a slightly different ratio
>>that meets the above requirements (doubtful). You could try a Powerfin
>>B-model 64" and see how it does but it's a weak premise to buy a prop on
>>unless you enjoy experimenting. I wouldn't sell you one by making any
>>grand claims though.
>>
>>Our Apex 912 hub will fit your flange perfectly. You are correct. The
>>pattern is exactly the same as the 912, 912S. and 914 pattern.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Stuart Gort - Powerfin Inc.
>>
>>
>>From: GLENN CROWDER
>> To: info@powerfin.com
>> Cc: gcrowder2@hotmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:47 AM
>> Subject: powerfin prop for Subaru powered Europa
>>
>>
>> Hello Stuart and HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>> I'm looking for a better prop for my Subaru EA81 powered Europa. I
>>am
>> currently using a 3 blade 64" dia Warp Drive and is doing OK but I
>>would
>> like to improve cruise speeds if possible.
>> My field elevation near Denver is 5100 ft and I typically fly at
>>around
>> 7000 ft. With the Warp Drive
>> at this altitude, I typically attain about 130 kts GPS on a still day.
>>Climb
>> rate is about 1000 fpm.
>> The WD is very smooth if you tweak the blades extremely carefully. It
>>takes
>> a lot of time to set
>> the blades.
>> I have tried a couple of two bladed wood props and get better speed
>>and
>> climb but I get an
>> unacceptable level of vibration or resonance. It is similiar to flying
>>in a
>> twin engine plane and having
>> the engine speeds out of synch. I have a Warnke 64 x 62 prop that
>>climbs
>> very well and gets about
>> 10 kts better at the top end. I also tried a GT (Italian) prop that
>>also
>> improved speed and climb
>> but also had the same resonance problem.
>> The WD prop is a one size fits all approach but has very little twist
>>on
>> the blades and very
>> narrow chord width (4 1/4"). If I keep increasing the pitch of the
>>blades,
>> I get to a point where
>> I don't go any faster but climb rate is much worse. I think I need a
>>blade
>> that is slightly wider in
>> chord and has more twist like the Warnke and GT props I have been
>>trying.
>> I found the Bolly Prop website from Australia and like that because
>>their
>> blades seem wider with
>> more twist and fit my WD hub but I can't get any response from them
>>after
>> several emails.
>> My motor is about 120 hp at 5100 ft, (was dynoed at 137 hp at 1000
>>ft),
>> has a Marcotte gear
>> drive with 2.04 ratio, redline is 5600 rpm, top speed with WD is about
>>130
>> kts, cruise speed
>> 115 kts, prop dia 64". The prop hub is the rotax 4.000" pattern, 6
>>bolts
>> 8mm dia with drive
>> lugs .505" dia that protrude out .505". Centering boss is 1.850" dia
>>and
>> protrudes out .500".
>> This is the identical pattern used on the Rotax 912 and 914 I believe.
>>I am
>> very interested in your
>> props due to the low inertia which I think contributes to prop
>>resonance.
>> If the WD prop is
>> smooth, it seems like yours should be even better and easier to adjust.
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>> Glenn Crowder
>> 740 Braun St
>> Golden, Co
>>80401
>> 303-520-3659
>>
>> gcrowder2@hotmail.com
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>
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| Subject: | europa handling with subaru |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Hey Neville!
Your comment that "the increased polar moment of inertia totally messes
up the
a very fine handling aeroplane" does not match my observations at all. The
Subaru
powered Europa seems very light and lively to me. My hangar mate with a
O-320
powered Mustang II has flown the Europa several times and has commented that
the
handling is quite a bit lighter than his plane, both in roll and pitch. I
have flown his
plane also and while his aileron roll and pitch forces are higher, they are
not heavy
by any means. My instructor/test pilot who has test piloted hundreds of
newly
finished experimentals commented on how light the handling was and thought
it was
the best handling experimental he had flown although certainly not the
fastest.
He flies a Thorp T-18. I also had him do a complete stall series, flaps up
and down including some spin entries and noted no issues. This was after
someone on the list reported that his Europa would start to roll under on a
flaps down approach stall. I have done flaps down stalls myself
and only get a small wing break sometimes to the left, sometimes to the
right, release on
back stick instantly arrests the stall.
The one thing I have noticed when flying with a passenger is the ease of
landing. When
landing solo, after touching the tail first, I always seem to get one small
bounce on the main
before sticking down, with a passenger as soon as the main wheel touches it
sticks and
stays down. Roll out seems more stable as well. I've only flown on paved
runways so I can't
comment on grass field landing behaviour.
One thing I really like about the Europa is that I can set the pitch trim
in one spot for
touch and goes and leave it alone for every part of the pattern. On
downwind, just reduce
power and slowly drop the flaps, the plane automatically seems to slow down
to just the
right speed (about 65 mph) with no pitch up as flaps are lowered. The last
time I
flew a Cessna, I remember constantly retrimming around the pattern,
particularly forcing
the nose down on flap application. On the Europa, the only time I change
the trim is
when going to cruise speeds. Cheers!
Glenn Crowder
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| Subject: | Speed fairings -Tri-Gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
I think I agree that the speed fairings may be worthwhile from an
aesthetic point of view.
Also, there's the opportunity to extend useable range a little, by
throttling back on engine RPM, while still maintaining a good turn of
speed.
It did occur to me some time back, that at 115 - 120 knots, an extra 5
mph only reduces a very long flight (say Edinburgh to London) by about 5
minutes, so it's possible to get hung up on diminishing returns.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Europa-List: Speed fairings -Tri-Gear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
OK, today was the day I measured the airspeed with the wheel pants
installed. I had them on before, but did not know the airspeed. I am
sure I
got 4 MPH more today than last week with out the wheel pants installed.
I
had the landing gear leg faring on each time, so the over all
improvement
with the speed kit is well within the 5 MPH that has been reported
earlier.
I thing the pants are well worth the trouble of installing. I do have a
tip
for locating the mounting holes in the pants when you have the brackets
installed on the legs. I put four hi-intensity mag light bulbs taped on
the
brackets shinning outward. (soldered wires to the bulbs and to clips on
a
battery) Slid the fiberglass wheel pants over the brackets and used a
marking pen to mark the bright spot of light shining through the
fiberglass.
It worked for me.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Speed fairings - XS Mono
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Paul
>
> We have the XS mono wheel with a 914. After installing the speed
fairings
we picked
> up 2 or 3 knots at best.
>
> I thank that maby the tri -gear may show more improvement than the
mono-wheel
>
> What about it, tri gear owners??????????
>
> Jim Brown
> N398JB
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
Hello Kingsley
Some week ago I sent drawings and pictures of my Europa XS cockpit
interior to Oregon Aero and asked them to produce the seats for my A/C.
David Esterline at Oregon Aero promised me that they will make excellent
seats for me. As soon as I will be able to trial fit them, I will let
the forum know how it looks and feels.
Regards,
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32
E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Kingsley
Hurst
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Juni 2004 23:40
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: RE: Europa-List: Seats
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
--> <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Hello All,
As a result of reading the recent postings in respect of seating, I
emailed Oregon Aero to enquire if they manufacture seats specifically
for a Europa.
FYI their reply is below.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
Build stage shown at >>>>>
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Builders-Album&id=F
uselage_assembled_150604&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view
_photo.php
Hello Kingsley,
Unfortunately we have not manufactured a cushion set for the Europa. We
do not have a working pattern. We have worked with a few Europa owners
to try and get a design, however none of them have stuck with the
program long enough to make a cushion set and send it for trial fit. So
we need some pictures and very detailed drawing to start this program
again. Also after we make a set of cushion, we need to trial fix them in
a Europa aircraft. Because you live so far away, it would not be
practical to send cushions back and forth to Australia for trial fit.
Hopefully we can find someone in the USA with a Europa, who is willing
to work with us.
I can only guess at what the price would be somewhere around $300.00 per
seat for un-upholstered cushions. If you wanted Fabric (cloth)
Upholstery the price range would be about $700.00 per seat. We also do
Custom Leather Upholstery; the price range would be about $950.00 per
seat. I will let you know if we ever manufacture a cushion set for a
Europa.
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| Subject: | Re: Hotels/Weather=French trip |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
David.
Thanks for the e-mail regarding bookings etc. You are right about the weather,
It looks particularly miserable for those of us flying down the Eastern side of
the country on Sat. Accordingly we have decided to go on Friday, and clear customs
at Le Touquet.
Sadly we us lack a flight plan document between us. Can anyone e-mail one to me
please?
If anyone else is contemplating a Friday departure, please let me know with a thought
to rendevousing.
If you would kindly make the hotel arrangements for us David I would be obliged.
Meanwhile David, I had not realised that you were younger than 37, and you must
have passed your GCE French.
Happy Flying. Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: David Joyce
To: William Mills ; RICHARD IDDON ; Paddy Clarke ; Mike Gregory ; McFadyean ;
Mark Burton ; Dari Sagar ; Bruce Morris ; bryan allsop
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: Hotels/Weather
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| Subject: | Re: Europa props for Subaru |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Glen, Not wanting to quibble with your central message, but the Kremen prop
certainly doesn't have Warp drive blades, and in fact has wooden blades
coated with moulded carbon fibre. The Kremen SR2000 Drives my 914 mono
comfortably at 140 kts at low altitude at 100% power Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: GLENN CROWDER <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa props for Subaru
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
>
> >Hey Tom!
> > The problem for me (and also for any Warp Drive users on higher
> >performance aircraft) is that
> >the Warp Drive blades do not have enough twist to be efficient at (or
> >allow) higher speeds.
> >Every propeller has a designed in "pitch speed" that it is most efficient
> >at.
> > The WD prop was originally designed as a prop for ultralight aircraft.
> >Ultralight aircraft are typically
> >too draggy to go faster than 100 mph. It is a very fine propeller for
this
> >application and for speeds
> >up to about 135 mph. Higher speeds than this require a large amount of
> >pitch in close to the
> >hub to avoid going into reverse thrust in this area. The WD is very
> >efficient at its designed speed
> >but it is a one size fits all approach. One can obtain higher
performance
> >(at least at higher speeds)
> >by designing a prop with more twist. At the same time, you need a wider
> >blade to absorb higher
> >horsepower.
> > As far as the Airmaster goes, I'm sure its a very fine propeller, but
it,
> >the NSI CAP 140 (which I
> >have), the Kremen and others all use the WD blades. I think the Arplast
> >uses their own blades.
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| Subject: | Canadian Aviation Expo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
For the Canadian builders or future builders in southern Ontario, the
Europa
factory (John Hurst from Lakeland) will be attending the Aviation Expo
http://www.canadianaviationexpo.com/html-frame.html (Canada's largest
aviation show) this weekend on June 18th at the Oshawa Airport, with a
tri-gear demo ship. With luck a local builder (Chris Staines) will also
fly in with his fine turbo monowheel example on the Saturday. I'll also
be there in the booth with an XS short wing as it comes from the factory
as an example.
Since the factory rarely attends a Canadian show, I thought it might be
of
interest to fliers in Ontario who have not had the good fortune to
attend
Osh or Sun'N'Fun.
Cheers & blue skies,
Pete
A239 short and long wings
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| Subject: | Re: Hotels/Weather=French trip |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guys
Just lurking in the background! The message below seems to show that the
Scandinavian Trip participants are all back safe and sound? Any news yet
particularly from the William Mills direction and reactivation of the Six
Nations Trip combined with Interlarken would be greatfully received! Hope
you "French lovers" have a good trip inspite of what the WX may throw at
you!
BFN
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Hotels/Weather=French trip
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> David.
>
> Thanks for the e-mail regarding bookings etc. You are right about the
weather, It looks particularly miserable for those of us flying down the
Eastern side of the country on Sat. Accordingly we have decided to go on
Friday, and clear customs at Le Touquet.
>
> Sadly we us lack a flight plan document between us. Can anyone e-mail one
to me please?
>
> If anyone else is contemplating a Friday departure, please let me know
with a thought to rendevousing.
>
> If you would kindly make the hotel arrangements for us David I would be
obliged. Meanwhile David, I had not realised that you were younger than 37,
and you must have passed your GCE French.
>
> Happy Flying. Bryan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Joyce
> To: William Mills ; RICHARD IDDON ; Paddy Clarke ; Mike Gregory ;
McFadyean ; Mark Burton ; Dari Sagar ; Bruce Morris ; bryan allsop
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:05 PM
> Subject: Hotels/Weather
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