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1. 12:58 AM - Re: Fuel Filler Pipe Moulding (JR (Bob) Gowing)
2. 04:27 AM - noisy mocroair radio (RICHARD IDDON)
3. 06:01 AM - Re: Starter kickback (Ami McFadyean)
4. 06:27 AM - The Annual Inspection - Powerplant; a new video (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: Tailplane pip pin cover tape (David Joyce)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: noisy mocroair radio (Leo J. Corbalis)
7. 11:32 AM - Re: noisy mocroair radio (hedley brown)
8. 11:41 AM - Re: Fuel Filler Pipe Moulding (Dan Bish)
9. 11:51 AM - Re: The Europa organisation (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: noisy mocroair radio (William Mills)
11. 01:19 PM - Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed (Steve Crimm)
12. 02:50 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed (Richard Holder)
13. 03:16 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed (Steve Crimm)
14. 06:27 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed (James Nelson)
15. 06:36 PM - Firewall Cutout before module bonding (Tony Renshaw)
16. 08:35 PM - Re: Firewall Cutout before module bonding (Rocketman)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filler Pipe Moulding |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
I understand that it is caused by temperature shrinkage difference so you
need to spread the area a bit.
J R (Bob) Gowing, JK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Filler Pipe Moulding
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
<mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> In the factory newsletter issue 25 a case was reported of an 'imprint' of
the
> moulded pipe appearing on the aircraft outer skin. It was suggested, as a
> precaution, that several plies of BID be applied to the fuselage inner
skin, to
> prevent this from happening.
>
> Has anyone else (who has not made the suggested reinforcement) seen this
> 'imprint' appear ?
>
> John Cliff
> #0259
>
>
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| Subject: | noisy mocroair radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I have a Microair radio and various ATC units have informed me that
there is a good deal of background noise when I am talking to them. I
have tried various settings for the gain and sidetone without any
apparent improvement. Anyone had any similar experience or any
suggestions?
I do have a fairly inexpensive headset and also wondered if this might
be contributing to the problem.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Starter kickback |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
The ignition modules have the same part numbers for the respective engines;
meaning that 'A' and 'B' modules are the same.
So, if one module has slightly more running-advance than the other (i.e. 22
deg. for one and 26deg for the other) and as stated this is controlled by
"....difference in the ignition timing will be achieved by different length
of the trigger cam......",
it follows that the starting-advance would also be less for module B.
If starting on one "mag" works for you, then it should be best to use the
'B' circuit.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starter kickback
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Nigel,
>
> I remember the kickback thread and also remember being taught (many
> many years ago) that the dual ignition on aircraft engines were at
> different timing and that some engines disabled the more advanced
> ignition to improve starting. So, I dug up my ROTAX 914 Manuals (PDF
> format on CD provided with the engine) to see if ignition timing was
> documented. The ROTAX 914 Maintenance Manual, Sec. 9.4.1), Page 50
> describes ignition timing. I will try to quote the page verbatim
> (don't blame wording, punctuation, etc. on me), use of a fixed width
> font is recommended:
>
> Quote -----
>
> Ignition
> See Pic. 24.
>
> As already stated the engine is equipped with dual ignition of a
> breakerless
> capacitor discharge design (DCDI). That means that the ignition unit
> com-
> prises two independently working ignition circuits (separate trigger
> coil,
> electronic module, charging coil etc.).
> *NOTE: The ignition unit is completely free of maintenance and
> without any adjustment.
> Each ignition circuit consists of two ignition branches. Ignition
> occurs on
> cylinder 1 and 2 simultaneously every 360d as well as on cylinder 3 and
> 4 but
> 180d offset.
> *NOTE: Due to engine design ignition occurs also at overlap
> T.D.C.,
> but this is for engine operation insignificant.
> The engine is furnished with an automatic ignition adjustment
> controlled by
> the edge of trigger cams on the flywheel and the electronic modules.
> *NOTE: For easy engine start the ignition timing at start is 4d
> B.T.D.C.
> As soon as the engine runs the ignition timing will change over
> automatically
> to operation timing of
> 26d BTDC on ignition circuit A and
> 22d BTEC on ignition circuit B
> The transition from start ignition timing to the timing for operation
> takes place
> between 650 to 1000 rpm.
> *NOTE The different ignition timing for the top spark plugs and
> the
> bottom spark plugs take into account the differing ignition
> lag resulting in better knock behaviour.
> The difference in the ignition timing will be achieved by
> different length of the trigger cam.
> Trigger cam for ignition circuit A (raised position) is
> approx.
> 4 mm (.16") longer.
>
> Unquote ---
>
> From this information, I don't see that shutting off one ignition
> circuit would help. Unless a bit less energetic start of the
> combustion is all that may be needed.
>
> Now this if for the 914, the 912 and 912S may be different. You might
> check the appropriate maintenance manuals and see what they say about
> timing. From there, perhaps, a suitable solution might be determined.
>
> Just my tuppence...
>
> Good building to those still building
> Good flying to those fortunate souls,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> (65%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument
> Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail & 34 Door
> Latches.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
> > There was a thread recently about kickback during start with the
> 912S. This
> > can be quite vicious and I had it happen quite often especially on
> cold
> > starts. Apparently it can also lead to damage to the starter sprag
> clutch.
> > The problem is worse with the 912S than the 912 or the 914 due to its
> higher
> > compression ratio. It was pointed out that it happens because, with
> the
> > Rotax ignition system there is no provision for retarding the
> ignition during
> > start. With this in mind it occurred to me that the speed of ignition
> may
> > be slightly slower if the engine was started with just one ignition
> system
> > working. I have since found that I get less kickbacks when I start
> using
> > just one ignition system. It is obviously important to remember to
> reselect
> > both magnetos after engine start. This technique is only possible if
> you
> > have separate magneto and starter switches although it would be
> possible
> > to add extra wiring to short out one ignition system during start
> with a
> > key starter.
>
>
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| Subject: | The Annual Inspection - Powerplant; a new video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
I don't normally spam on this list, but I've been working on this video for
about a year, its my first one, and I'm kinda proud of it. So here goes:
THE ANNUAL INSPECTION - POWERPLANT 55 minutes
Follow Westwood College of Aviation A&P instructors Tim Guerrera and
Vaughn Dowell through a step by step demonstration of an annual inspection
of the powerplant section of a Lycoming 0-360. This video explains every
step of the process from an initial AD search to the final log entries.
Each procedure is detailed including compression check, ignition timing,
spark plug service, exhaust pressure check, oil change, fuel system,
propeller, electrical system, etc..... , showing the proper techniques
along with plenty of professional hints and tips. A final segment details
safety wiring techniques as used throughout the powerplant section.
Most of this video was filmed at Westwood College in Denver using a
Piper Archer, however a few segments were done locally in Granby, CO
with my RV-6A and hangarmate Dave Cook's RV-6.
available now in DVD and VHS
from Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com/annual_inspection_powerplant.htm
800 780-4115
...and to sweeten up the spam, mention "Matronics" when you order and get
25% off through the end of June.
Thanks,
Andy
RV-6A N-5060 flying
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane pip pin cover tape |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Eddie, White electrical tape is fine for wing roots, but I find a sheet of
the material that sign makers use to make signs for lorries (or go fast
stripes for Europas), allows you to cut out circular patches of ideal size
for all the pip pin and other holes. My local firm gave me an offcut piece
which promises to last me for several more years.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane pip pin cover tape
> --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
>
> Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Basically, I could use electrical
tape,
> vinal or glider gap tape. I will order one of these.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Eddie
>
> Quoting tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
> >
> > Gidday Ed,
> > You'll get better answers from others but the tape is gap tape for
gliders.
> > Contact
> > your local glider organisation/club and they will put you straight. The
other
> > option
> > is to have a look on the web now that you know what it is, order it
online no
> > doubt,
> > and wait a day or two. This internet stuff is great!!
> > Reg
> > Tony Renshaw
> > Sydney Australia
> >
> >
> > > Ed <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone still use the white tape to cover the pip pins on the
> > > tail
> > > plane? If so, does anyone know what it is and, where I can get some
> > > in the
> > > UK? Obviously, I dont want to stick tape on that will lift the paint
> > > off
> > > when removed. What did Europa recommend all those years ago?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Eddie Hatcher
> > > G-SELF, Jabiru 3300 powered Europa.
> > > Nearly finished!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: noisy mocroair radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
All headsets have noise cancelling mikes. The mike should be almost touching
your upper lip. This will give you the best audio out and suppress the
background noise.
Leo Corbalis
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> I have a Microair radio and various ATC units have informed me that
> there is a good deal of background noise when I am talking to them. I
> have tried various settings for the gain and sidetone without any
> apparent improvement. Anyone had any similar experience or any
> suggestions?
>
> I do have a fairly inexpensive headset and also wondered if this might
> be contributing to the problem.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: noisy mocroair radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
Turn off the intercomm switch....H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: noisy mocroair radio
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis"
<leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
> All headsets have noise cancelling mikes. The mike should be almost
touching
> your upper lip. This will give you the best audio out and suppress the
> background noise.
> Leo Corbalis
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON"
<riddon@btinternet.com>
> >
> > I have a Microair radio and various ATC units have informed me that
> > there is a good deal of background noise when I am talking to them. I
> > have tried various settings for the gain and sidetone without any
> > apparent improvement. Anyone had any similar experience or any
> > suggestions?
> >
> > I do have a fairly inexpensive headset and also wondered if this might
> > be contributing to the problem.
> >
> > Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filler Pipe Moulding |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Bob,
What do you mean by "spread the area"? Thanks,
Dan
A144
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Filler Pipe Moulding
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
>
> I understand that it is caused by temperature shrinkage difference so you
> need to spread the area a bit.
> J R (Bob) Gowing, JK Kit 327 in Oz
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Filler Pipe Moulding
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
> <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > In the factory newsletter issue 25 a case was reported of an 'imprint'
of
> the
> > moulded pipe appearing on the aircraft outer skin. It was suggested, as
a
> > precaution, that several plies of BID be applied to the fuselage inner
> skin, to
> > prevent this from happening.
> >
> > Has anyone else (who has not made the suggested reinforcement) seen this
> > 'imprint' appear ?
> >
> > John Cliff
> > #0259
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Europa organisation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Hello All,
Some of you may be interested in the Europa Club's position with regard to the
recently raised issues about delays receiving goods and communication with the
Factory in the UK. Just to remind you, the Club is totally independant of any
commercial venture, and was originally setup to offer support and social events
for those building/operating and with any interest in Europas worldwide.
The Europa Club Committee is aware of the problems some Members have raised with
us and held a special committee meeting at the end of May. The meeting reviewed
the information we have, the complaints received and discussed what, if
anything, the Club could do.
To help its Members we would like to hear of any problems Europa owners are encountering
in obtaining kits and parts from EMIL. I do understand if people are
unwilling to pass on this information, but if you wish to, please respond direct
to ( DaveBuzz@aol.com ), not through the forum, and give details of what
you are waiting for, how long you have been waiting and whether you have already
paid for the items. For any issues raised, hopefully we can then identify
the most significant problems Europa need to address. The Club can offer no more
than to facilitate raising issues with Europa Management International Ltd
on behalf of its Members.
As many of you will be aware the Club AGM will take place on saturday July 10th
at the PFA Rally, Kemble, UK.
Both old and new members will be most welcome.
Following the AGM all Members will be informed of the outcome in due course via
the Europa Flyer, the quarterly club magazine.
All the best,
David Bosomworth
Europa Club Chairman
kit67
G-BXUM
Flying.
PS. Some of you may like to re-check Rowland Carson's posting of 21 May regarding
Club membership status:
http://131.238.38.204/~sarangan/mharc/html//europa-list/2004-05/msg00284.html
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| Subject: | Re: noisy mocroair radio |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Richard,
Having flown with you during the last week, I must say that I find your
transmissions as clear as a bell and sometimes you were at a considerable
distance, e.g. on the Grenoble / Chauvigny leg. No background at all.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: Europa-List: noisy mocroair radio
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> I have a Microair radio and various ATC units have informed me that
> there is a good deal of background noise when I am talking to them. I
> have tried various settings for the gain and sidetone without any
> apparent improvement. Anyone had any similar experience or any
> suggestions?
>
> I do have a fairly inexpensive headset and also wondered if this might
> be contributing to the problem.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
For those East of the Mississippi and West of the Atlantic
I have been pricing insurance from Falcon/EAA ( the price is unbelievably
high) and have been told that I must have (since I don't have any tail wheel
time, but 10,000 other flight hours) the following. 10 hrs of tail wheel
time in a non-Europa aircraft with instructor and that I also need an
additional 15 hours in a Europa Mono Wheel with a CFI that is "Mono Wheel
Certified" and approved by the insurance company. So my request, since I
live in the Atlanta area, I need to get 25 hours in the near future so I can
fly my soon to be acquired mono wheel. So if anyone knows of such a person
or persons who can assist in my quest I would greatly appreciate the help.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
I would suggest trying another insurer ! Or several.
Or if that doesn't work, contemplate changing to Tri-Gear.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
>
> For those East of the Mississippi and West of the Atlantic
>
> I have been pricing insurance from Falcon/EAA ( the price is unbelievably
> high) and have been told that I must have (since I don't have any tail wheel
> time, but 10,000 other flight hours) the following. 10 hrs of tail wheel
> time in a non-Europa aircraft with instructor and that I also need an
> additional 15 hours in a Europa Mono Wheel with a CFI that is "Mono Wheel
> Certified" and approved by the insurance company. So my request, since I
> live in the Atlanta area, I need to get 25 hours in the near future so I can
> fly my soon to be acquired mono wheel. So if anyone knows of such a person
> or persons who can assist in my quest I would greatly appreciate the help.
>
> Steve Crimm
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| Subject: | Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
It seems that the insurance market is restricted to a couple of underwriters
who will provide coverage for experimental aircraft in the US. Also it is
still be a cost issue in that coverage would still cost about $2500.00 US
whether conventional or tri-gear.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
I would suggest trying another insurer ! Or several.
Or if that doesn't work, contemplate changing to Tri-Gear.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
>
> For those East of the Mississippi and West of the Atlantic
>
> I have been pricing insurance from Falcon/EAA ( the price is unbelievably
> high) and have been told that I must have (since I don't have any tail
wheel
> time, but 10,000 other flight hours) the following. 10 hrs of tail wheel
> time in a non-Europa aircraft with instructor and that I also need an
> additional 15 hours in a Europa Mono Wheel with a CFI that is "Mono Wheel
> Certified" and approved by the insurance company. So my request, since I
> live in the Atlanta area, I need to get 25 hours in the near future so I
can
> fly my soon to be acquired mono wheel. So if anyone knows of such a
person
> or persons who can assist in my quest I would greatly appreciate the help.
>
> Steve Crimm
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Steve,
You might try and contact my IP who checked me out. His name is
Lee Omernik. He did my first flight and is a top notch IP. His phone
no. is 813-681-3907. He is listed on my insurance as a second pilot.
With the a/c in your possession and Lee as your second pilot / check
pilot, you could get it put to bed in a week down here. Possibly solves
that problem!
Jim
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:13:27 -0400 "Steve Crimm"
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> For those East of the Mississippi and West of the Atlantic
>
>
> I have been pricing insurance from Falcon/EAA ( the price is
> unbelievably
> high) and have been told that I must have (since I don't have any
> tail wheel
> time, but 10,000 other flight hours) the following. 10 hrs of tail
> wheel
> time in a non-Europa aircraft with instructor and that I also need
> an
> additional 15 hours in a Europa Mono Wheel with a CFI that is "Mono
> Wheel
> Certified" and approved by the insurance company. So my request,
> since I
> live in the Atlanta area, I need to get 25 hours in the near future
> so I can
> fly my soon to be acquired mono wheel. So if anyone knows of such a
> person
> or persons who can assist in my quest I would greatly appreciate the
> help.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Steve Crimm
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| Subject: | Firewall Cutout before module bonding |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am considering cutting out the firewall so that I can see what is doing
on when I drop my module in for the last time, onto the blue glue. When I
push down on the module it at the firewall end, it sits lower, but my cross
bracing pulls on the attachments on the head rest. Also, the whole seat pan
moves up and down as I load and unload the front of the module, with weight
bearing down. So, I reckon I have done about the best job of stabilising my
module for my flight controls, and fear that this force to make the module
sit down might in fact put a longitudinal axis banana into my module and
this might be felt in the control circuit. So, I intend on leaving it
alone, and I suppose the gaps between module and fuse can be addressed in
several ways. I can use screws, to pull the fuse up to meet the module but
I hesitate because it seems to me that you create a perforated line of
weakness in the fuse skin at key locations. I don't really like the
dimpling potential, so I reckon I am more inclined to either fill the 2-3
mm gap in places with either redux or maybe a 2-3-4 ply bid layup in the
lower areas before bonding. This would require a whole lot of accuracy to
work out where 2,3, or 4 plies were required, so I reckon the answer is the
redux. I think at worst I could add maybe 1/2 kg of redux. Big deal I say,
because I'd prefer to lose it off my middle, which could spare 1/2 kg. The
addition of redux would be offset by the addition of filler on the outside
of the fuse if I pull it into place. So, less work but nominally more
weight I hope. Oh, someone mentioned cutting off the footwell floor
sections of the module and applying bid patches to replace them later. Is
this still the recommended way to get it in, for a single handed, or maybe
1 helper installation?? I note when pushing down on the rudder floor
vertical flange that the force distorts the side of the module, so I am
going to stabilise the module at this lower end to preserve my gear mount
attachment dims. If anyone has any suggestions at this stage, with module
insertion impending, I'd really like to hear from you.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Cutout before module bonding |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Tony Renshaw wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
>Gidday,
>I am considering cutting out the firewall so that I can see what is doing
>on when I drop my module in for the last time, onto the blue glue. When I
>push down on the module it at the firewall end, it sits lower, but my cross
>bracing pulls on the attachments on the head rest. Also, the whole seat pan
>moves up and down as I load and unload the front of the module, with weight
>bearing down. So, I reckon I have done about the best job of stabilising my
>module for my flight controls, and fear that this force to make the module
>sit down might in fact put a longitudinal axis banana into my module and
>this might be felt in the control circuit. So, I intend on leaving it
>alone, and I suppose the gaps between module and fuse can be addressed in
>several ways. I can use screws, to pull the fuse up to meet the module but
>I hesitate because it seems to me that you create a perforated line of
>weakness in the fuse skin at key locations. I don't really like the
>dimpling potential, so I reckon I am more inclined to either fill the 2-3
>mm gap in places with either redux or maybe a 2-3-4 ply bid layup in the
>lower areas before bonding. This would require a whole lot of accuracy to
>work out where 2,3, or 4 plies were required, so I reckon the answer is the
>redux. I think at worst I could add maybe 1/2 kg of redux. Big deal I say,
>because I'd prefer to lose it off my middle, which could spare 1/2 kg. The
>addition of redux would be offset by the addition of filler on the outside
>of the fuse if I pull it into place. So, less work but nominally more
>weight I hope. Oh, someone mentioned cutting off the footwell floor
>sections of the module and applying bid patches to replace them later. Is
>this still the recommended way to get it in, for a single handed, or maybe
>1 helper installation?? I note when pushing down on the rudder floor
>vertical flange that the force distorts the side of the module, so I am
>going to stabilise the module at this lower end to preserve my gear mount
>attachment dims. If anyone has any suggestions at this stage, with module
>insertion impending, I'd really like to hear from you.
>
>
>
Tony,
Don't know that this will help much, but when we bonded the CM in A055,
we used an engine hoist. Basically, my wife mixed the Redux, while I
spread it about 1/4" thick, on the appropriate areas of the module.
Once done, we centered the thing over the lower fuse and started it
downward, while pulling on the sides of the fuse, to let it clear.
There's a picture of the operation at my build site dated May 1, 2004.
Once in, I used rivets and concrete blocks to hold everything down.
Installation is very secure...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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