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1. 01:38 AM - Re: firewall cutout before module bondong (Paul Atkinson)
2. 02:51 AM - Fuel Flow (RICHARD IDDON)
3. 03:44 AM - Europa problems (Graham Singleton)
4. 05:18 AM - Re: microair 760 query (Kingsley Hurst)
5. 06:46 AM - Bill of Sale (David Legge dlegge)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Bill of Sale (Europa Aircraft)
7. 07:07 AM - Re: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed (Neville Eyre)
8. 09:44 AM - Aerobatic manevers signoff (Erich Trombley)
9. 12:25 PM - Pilot magazine info (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk)
10. 12:48 PM - Re: Pilot magazine info (Simon Smith)
11. 01:04 PM - Re: Pilot magazine info (G-IANI)
12. 01:21 PM - Re: Pilot magazine info (John Cliff)
13. 01:27 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed (Carpenter, Matt)
14. 02:36 PM - Re: microair 760 query, (s.vestuti)
15. 03:31 PM - Pay Back (Kingsley Hurst)
16. 03:45 PM - Rant (Richard Holder)
17. 03:50 PM - Re: microair 760 query, (Richard Holder)
18. 04:06 PM - Re: microair 760 query, ()
19. 04:10 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (Jim Brown)
20. 04:11 PM - Beware Fuel Filler Pipe Imprint (Tony Renshaw)
21. 05:19 PM - Re: Rant (Kevin Klinefelter)
22. 05:28 PM - Re: Beware Fuel Filler Pipe Imprint (Kevin Klinefelter)
23. 05:28 PM - Re: XCOM 760 query, (Kevin Klinefelter)
24. 05:42 PM - Re: Rant (n3eu@comcast.net)
25. 05:59 PM - Thanks for the Tour (Graham Singleton)
26. 07:10 PM - Re: XCOM 760 query, (Tony Krzyzewski)
27. 08:24 PM - Re: microair 760 query, (Paul McAllister)
28. 08:29 PM - Impact of MUW in cruise speeds (Paul McAllister)
29. 08:38 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (Bob Jacobsen)
30. 08:49 PM - Laced to the rudder pedals (Bob Jacobsen)
31. 09:07 PM - Re: Impact of MUW in cruise speeds (Tony Krzyzewski)
32. 09:29 PM - Re: Laced to the rudder pedals (Brad Newell)
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| Subject: | re: firewall cutout before module bondong |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
Tony
I am not familiar with the main gear attach points so this may not be
appropriate but....
You could consider cutting away the cockpit module where it interferes
with the extra layups, just enough so that the CM fits snugly once again.
After you have bonded it in but before the redux has gone off replace what
you have cut away with a couple of layers of bid.
I think that if you bond it in as is, you will not only use more redux
(and eat fewer steaks) but you risk distorting the CM which may cause
problems later on, as you suggest.
Paul
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>,
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall Cutout before module bonding
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
My cockpit
module doesn't seem to sit as flat as it might because there is a several
ply buildup on the flange that attaches the vertical front face of the
thigh support to the floor. The reason for this is that my maingear attach
points required some thickening there. If I now weight down the module, I
seem to have a see saw effect, and whilst my flight controls sit all on one
side of the fulcrum, I don't want to force the issue. I think I will resign
myself to a little extra redux, and a diet post build.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I would like to monitor my fuel flow to determine what speed and
throttle settings give me the most economical cruise. I don't have the
panel space to fit a flow meter permanently. Can one be hooked up as a
temporary measure and if so, Is there anywhere I could hire or loan one
from? (UK based)
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 22/06/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>A lot of their products are shopped out to small
>contractors and have to wait until they get enough to run. It would help if
>they would make bigger runs.................but...................
It would also help if they paid their bills. Anyone who needs the bronze
acrylic canopy and door mouldings can order direct from me if they need any.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: microair 760 query |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Richard and Steve,
I made enquiries tonight for you about the Microair / XCOM Intercom
combination.
From the man who designed the Microair :-
The Microair has a hot mike as do the ICOM A200 and King KY97 and others.
When the PTT is pressed, both mics can transmit.
There is no intercom mute / squelch available.
This method was used because it was a cheaper way of doing it and I
understand it was originally thought most pilots would be on their own
(gliding ops).
Definitely need an external intercom to overcome your problems and the XCOM
Intercom is recommended.
The XCOM Intercom has a second input for a second com, is voice activated,
has a music input and also works very well with UHF radios too.
Hope this is of some assistance.
Regards
Kingsley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Legge dlegge" <dlegge@socal.rr.com>
I have requested from the US office of Europa a bill of sale for my kit on
three separate occasions but I have not received it yet. I took delivery of
the major portion of the kit back in February. There are still some
backordered items and they have possession of my Plexiglas. My question is:
What additional exposure do I have by not having the Bill of Sale beyond any
issue with their going under? I don't consider that a serious risk at this
point but I am keeping my ears open after the recent thread.
Thanks
David Legge
XS Tri-gear
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Dave,
If you wish to communicate with me that you didn't receive it, I'd be happy
to help.
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Legge
dlegge
Subject: Europa-List: Bill of Sale
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Legge dlegge"
<dlegge@socal.rr.com>
I have requested from the US office of Europa a bill of sale for my kit on
three separate occasions but I have not received it yet. I took delivery of
the major portion of the kit back in February. There are still some
backordered items and they have possession of my Plexiglas. My question is:
What additional exposure do I have by not having the Bill of Sale beyond any
issue with their going under? I don't consider that a serious risk at this
point but I am keeping my ears open after the recent thread.
Thanks
David Legge
XS Tri-gear
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| Subject: | Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
Just to back up the comments from Jim Nelson, re Lee Omernic, you will not find
better..... it is also worth dining out with him, just for the flying tales he
has..........
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Nelson
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Steve,
You might try and contact my IP who checked me out. His name is
Lee Omernik. He did my first flight and is a top notch IP. His phone
no. is 813-681-3907. He is listed on my insurance as a second pilot.
With the a/c in your possession and Lee as your second pilot / check
pilot, you could get it put to bed in a week down here. Possibly solves
that problem!
Jim
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:13:27 -0400 "Steve Crimm"
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> For those East of the Mississippi and West of the Atlantic
>
>
> I have been pricing insurance from Falcon/EAA ( the price is
> unbelievably
> high) and have been told that I must have (since I don't have any
> tail wheel
> time, but 10,000 other flight hours) the following. 10 hrs of tail
> wheel
> time in a non-Europa aircraft with instructor and that I also need
> an
> additional 15 hours in a Europa Mono Wheel with a CFI that is "Mono
> Wheel
> Certified" and approved by the insurance company. So my request,
> since I
> live in the Atlanta area, I need to get 25 hours in the near future
> so I can
> fly my soon to be acquired mono wheel. So if anyone knows of such a
> person
> or persons who can assist in my quest I would greatly appreciate the
> help.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Steve Crimm
>
>
>
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>
=
>
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>
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| Subject: | Aerobatic manevers signoff |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Paul,
The language should already be specified in the operating limitations. The FAA
initially provided me limitations that did not reference aerobatic maneuvers
so I inquired. The FAA inspector didn't realize the Europa was rated for mild
aerobatic maneuvers and she therefore had to re-issue new operating limitations
with the requisite language for aerobatics for the airframe log book endorsement.
Erich Trombley
N28ET
Hi all,
I am getting close to signing off N378PJ. I was wondering if anyone happened
to
know the exact phrases to use for the test stage sign off and the wording
required
for the aerobatic maneuvers signoff.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Pilot magazine info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
In the previous edition of the Pilot magazine there was a news item about
a company providing TAFs and METARs via SMS messaging. This is very useful
when trying to obtain weather whilst away from normal services at small
airfields. I tried it out by using it to request the TAF for La Rochelle
whilst I was abroad in the USA and it worked great. Subsequently when I
was in France with my Europa I could not get it to work although we were
able to use the system using a friend's mobile. I assume that it must be
something to do with the fact we use different mobile phone system providers.
Anyway my problem is that, as I disposed of that copy of Pilot, I have no
way of getting back to the company having lost the website address. Does
anyone have last month's edition of Pilot and can check for the website
details of this company for me?
Thanks
Nigel Charles
Broadband from an unbeatable 15.99!
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/home.html?code=SM-NL-11AM
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| Subject: | Pilot magazine info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Nigel,
If you have wap or gprs then try www.wapmx.com which will give you metars
and both short and long tafs. There are no charges for using the site other
than what your phone company charges you for the call/data.
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Pilot magazine info
--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
In the previous edition of the Pilot magazine there was a news item about a
company providing TAFs and METARs via SMS messaging. This is very useful
when trying to obtain weather whilst away from normal services at small
airfields. I tried it out by using it to request the TAF for La Rochelle
whilst I was abroad in the USA and it worked great. Subsequently when I was
in France with my Europa I could not get it to work although we were able to
use the system using a friend's mobile. I assume that it must be something
to do with the fact we use different mobile phone system providers. Anyway
my problem is that, as I disposed of that copy of Pilot, I have no way of
getting back to the company having lost the website address. Does anyone
have last month's edition of Pilot and can check for the website details of
this company for me?
Thanks
Nigel Charles
Broadband from an unbeatable 15.99!
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/home.html?code=SM-NL-11AM
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Pilot magazine info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
I have the back issues but can't find anything like you describe in May,
H=June or July issues.
Do you have any idea where it was.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Pilot magazine info
--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
In the previous edition of the Pilot magazine there was a news item about
a company providing TAFs and METARs via SMS messaging. This is very useful
when trying to obtain weather whilst away from normal services at small
airfields. I tried it out by using it to request the TAF for La Rochelle
whilst I was abroad in the USA and it worked great. Subsequently when I
was in France with my Europa I could not get it to work although we were
able to use the system using a friend's mobile. I assume that it must be
something to do with the fact we use different mobile phone system
providers.
Anyway my problem is that, as I disposed of that copy of Pilot, I have no
way of getting back to the company having lost the website address. Does
anyone have last month's edition of Pilot and can check for the website
details of this company for me?
Thanks
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot magazine info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> In the previous edition of the Pilot magazine there was a news item about
> a company providing TAFs and METARs via SMS messaging.
<snip>
> Does
> anyone have last month's edition of Pilot and can check for the website
> details of this company for me?
www.wxmobile.com it says (p.11, June issue)
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
I had a hard time finding insurance as well.
Europa XS Tri-Gear --
First they had down that it has a retractable landing gear. After a few
phone calls, and
a picture the price dropped down 1/2.
So In Amarillo Texas, with three people flying it, one of them with only 175
hours Total Time,
our insurance is 2,200$ a year. Each of us had to fly 5 hours with a CFI.
The CFI had never even
heard of an Europa much less fly one! However the insurance company did
approve him.
Matt Carpenter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Crimm
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
It seems that the insurance market is restricted to a couple of underwriters
who will provide coverage for experimental aircraft in the US. Also it is
still be a cost issue in that coverage would still cost about $2500.00 US
whether conventional or tri-gear.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Flight Instructor Needed
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
I would suggest trying another insurer ! Or several.
Or if that doesn't work, contemplate changing to Tri-Gear.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
>
> For those East of the Mississippi and West of the Atlantic
>
> I have been pricing insurance from Falcon/EAA ( the price is unbelievably
> high) and have been told that I must have (since I don't have any tail
wheel
> time, but 10,000 other flight hours) the following. 10 hrs of tail wheel
> time in a non-Europa aircraft with instructor and that I also need an
> additional 15 hours in a Europa Mono Wheel with a CFI that is "Mono Wheel
> Certified" and approved by the insurance company. So my request, since I
> live in the Atlanta area, I need to get 25 hours in the near future so I
can
> fly my soon to be acquired mono wheel. So if anyone knows of such a
person
> or persons who can assist in my quest I would greatly appreciate the help.
>
> Steve Crimm
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| Subject: | microair 760 query, |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti" <s.vestuti@btinternet.com>
hello all,
thanks for the replies , it looks as though the external intercom
is the way to go for the microair ,
- or even the xcom 760 radio - it`s internal intercom is more conventional ,
steve # 573
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Do not archive
To Neville Eyre, Bob Harrison and I think Gerry Holland too,
Now come on fellows, can any of you tell me the results of the Rugby
match last Friday night between the UK and OZ ?
Heh Heh Heh
Ha Ha Ha
The silence is deafening ! !
BTW, you can start importing our wines again, very sweet grapes this
year boys !
In jest
Kingsley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I had a hard time finding insurance as well.
> First they had down that it has a retractable landing gear. After a few
> phone calls, and a picture the price dropped down 1/2.
>
> So In Amarillo Texas, with three people flying it, one of them with only 175
> hours Total Time,
> our insurance is 2,200$ a year. Each of us had to fly 5 hours with a CFI.
> It seems that the insurance market is restricted to a couple of underwriters
> who will provide coverage for experimental aircraft in the US. Also it is
> still be a cost issue in that coverage would still cost about $2500.00 US
> whether conventional or tri-gear.
>
I read all this about the "high" prices for stuff in the US with amusement.
I know a guy in DE who built an RV6A and he thought that $900 for insurance
was high. And you think $2200 is high for three people one with quite low
hours.
You guys should think yourselves lucky.
Over here insurance is at least $2500 and maybe more. My first year was
$3000.
And I also read of people who say that they spent $55000 building their
Europa. Here if you buy the kits and the rest of the stuff including
reasonable instrumentation and the sensible mods like the speed kit it works
out at close to 50,000 which is $85000. I wonder why everything works out
more expensive here ? Understandable if it was a US kit (like a RV which
would have to be shipped over here). But this is an English kit.
PhD thesis - Explain this phenomenon :-) Tax (VAT) at 17.5% explains some of
it (10 % more than the average sales tax there), although when I think about
it you don't pay sales tax on Europa kits unless you live in FLA - right ?
I also see that there are complaints there that AVGAS 100LL is now up to $3
a US gallon - here it went past $7 a US gallon some time ago !
Lots of smilies :-)))))))))))))))))
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: microair 760 query, |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> hello all,
> thanks for the replies , it looks as though the external
> intercom is the way to go for the microair ,
> - or even the xcom 760 radio - it`s internal intercom is more conventional ,
> steve # 573
I think the problem with an internal intercom within a radio us that there
is just one mike circuit. So to have two mikes working they have to be wired
in parallel on the same circuit. This leads to the well known problem of DCs
not being compatible with anything else if connected in parallel. (Reason -
low impedance mike but I won't bore you with details).
So these internal to radio intercoms are OK if there is only one
mike/headset. Otherwise a separate intercom is required. Certainly my KX125
has an intercom internally but I am not using it as I want voice activated
for me and P2 and independent circuits.
Boring old fart electrical ignoramus
(It is one of those evenings !)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | microair 760 query, |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hold the phone folks on the Microair and the Xcom. I have two microairs
and an Xcom intercom. I also paid them $100USDs for a harness to tie
the works together. The harness had a zillion errors that took me a
looong time to find them all. When corrected, it still didn't
work....... I began a loooong process of trying to get Xcom to remedy
things to no avail. I was about to s-can the works when they finally
started responding. They sent me another intercom which didn't work
either, interestingly in a different way! They now sound more
interested in making things right. Both intercoms and the harness are
back in Oz and I am breathing hard waiting to see what happens. Sooo,
hold the phone! I'll report what happens.
Tom (Oh yes, I know of another builder who has been waiting a looooong
time for delivery of his paid for Xcom vhf 760.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of s.vestuti
Subject: RE: Europa-List: microair 760 query,
--> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti"
--> <s.vestuti@btinternet.com>
hello all,
thanks for the replies , it looks as though the external
intercom is the way to go for the microair ,
- or even the xcom 760 radio - it`s internal intercom is more
conventional ,
steve # 573
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
David
You will need the bill of sale, before the FAA will register you as the owner
when you apply for registration and "N" numbers.
The bill of sale is part of the required documents for the FAA.
I'M ASSUMING YOU LIVE IN THE USA!!!
Jim Brown
David Legge dlegge wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Legge dlegge" <dlegge@socal.rr.com>
>
> I have requested from the US office of Europa a bill of sale for my kit on
> three separate occasions but I have not received it yet. I took delivery of
> the major portion of the kit back in February. There are still some
> backordered items and they have possession of my Plexiglas. My question is:
>
> What additional exposure do I have by not having the Bill of Sale beyond any
> issue with their going under? I don't consider that a serious risk at this
> point but I am keeping my ears open after the recent thread.
>
> Thanks
>
> David Legge
> XS Tri-gear
>
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| Subject: | Beware Fuel Filler Pipe Imprint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
About the imprint..............YES. Mal Mc Lure's a/c here in Aussie, which
took out the "Tour de Elegaunce" and "Members Choice" awards is faultless,
except for this imprint. For a couple of plies of BID its well worth it. I
know I will be doing it, with carbon, or a carbon/kevlar mix cloth I have.
I'm not sure about how many layers you need, but probably a single ply of
carbon would be enough, or two would be plenty, even BID for that matter.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 07:21 AM 6/24/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
><mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>In the factory newsletter issue 25 a case was reported of an 'imprint' of the
>moulded pipe appearing on the aircraft outer skin. It was suggested, as a
>precaution, that several plies of BID be applied to the fuselage inner
>skin, to
>prevent this from happening.
>
>Has anyone else (who has not made the suggested reinforcement) seen this
>'imprint' appear ?
>
>John Cliff
>#0259
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
We pilots in the USA have very little to whine about.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Subject: Europa-List: Rant
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I had a hard time finding insurance as well.
> First they had down that it has a retractable landing gear. After a few
> phone calls, and a picture the price dropped down 1/2.
>
> So In Amarillo Texas, with three people flying it, one of them with only
175
> hours Total Time,
> our insurance is 2,200$ a year. Each of us had to fly 5 hours with a CFI.
> It seems that the insurance market is restricted to a couple of
underwriters
> who will provide coverage for experimental aircraft in the US. Also it is
> still be a cost issue in that coverage would still cost about $2500.00 US
> whether conventional or tri-gear.
>
I read all this about the "high" prices for stuff in the US with amusement.
I know a guy in DE who built an RV6A and he thought that $900 for insurance
was high. And you think $2200 is high for three people one with quite low
hours.
You guys should think yourselves lucky.
Over here insurance is at least $2500 and maybe more. My first year was
$3000.
And I also read of people who say that they spent $55000 building their
Europa. Here if you buy the kits and the rest of the stuff including
reasonable instrumentation and the sensible mods like the speed kit it works
out at close to 50,000 which is $85000. I wonder why everything works out
more expensive here ? Understandable if it was a US kit (like a RV which
would have to be shipped over here). But this is an English kit.
PhD thesis - Explain this phenomenon :-) Tax (VAT) at 17.5% explains some of
it (10 % more than the average sales tax there), although when I think about
it you don't pay sales tax on Europa kits unless you live in FLA - right ?
I also see that there are complaints there that AVGAS 100LL is now up to $3
a US gallon - here it went past $7 a US gallon some time ago !
Lots of smilies :-)))))))))))))))))
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Beware Fuel Filler Pipe Imprint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I'm hoping that's true. I used two ply of carbon fiber bid over the entire
fuel filler area. This finishing stuff is lots of work, hate to see stuff
appear later.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Beware Fuel Filler Pipe Imprint
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
About the imprint..............YES. Mal Mc Lure's a/c here in Aussie, which
took out the "Tour de Elegaunce" and "Members Choice" awards is faultless,
except for this imprint. For a couple of plies of BID its well worth it. I
know I will be doing it, with carbon, or a carbon/kevlar mix cloth I have.
I'm not sure about how many layers you need, but probably a single ply of
carbon would be enough, or two would be plenty, even BID for that matter.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 07:21 AM 6/24/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
><mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>In the factory newsletter issue 25 a case was reported of an 'imprint' of
the
>moulded pipe appearing on the aircraft outer skin. It was suggested, as a
>precaution, that several plies of BID be applied to the fuselage inner
>skin, to
>prevent this from happening.
>
>Has anyone else (who has not made the suggested reinforcement) seen this
>'imprint' appear ?
>
>John Cliff
>#0259
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I have been considering the Xcom with its built in intercom for my Europa.
Very interested to hear what anyone with experience with this very new
product has to say.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
beecho@beecho.org
Subject: RE: Europa-List: microair 760 query,
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hold the phone folks on the Microair and the Xcom. I have two microairs
and an Xcom intercom. I also paid them $100USDs for a harness to tie
the works together. The harness had a zillion errors that took me a
looong time to find them all. When corrected, it still didn't
work....... I began a loooong process of trying to get Xcom to remedy
things to no avail. I was about to s-can the works when they finally
started responding. They sent me another intercom which didn't work
either, interestingly in a different way! They now sound more
interested in making things right. Both intercoms and the harness are
back in Oz and I am breathing hard waiting to see what happens. Sooo,
hold the phone! I'll report what happens.
Tom (Oh yes, I know of another builder who has been waiting a looooong
time for delivery of his paid for Xcom vhf 760.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of s.vestuti
Subject: RE: Europa-List: microair 760 query,
--> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti"
--> <s.vestuti@btinternet.com>
hello all,
thanks for the replies , it looks as though the external
intercom is the way to go for the microair ,
- or even the xcom 760 radio - it`s internal intercom is more
conventional ,
steve # 573
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Richard Holder wrote:
> although when I think about
> it you don't pay sales tax on Europa kits unless you live in FLA - right ?
If only that were so. Any State of residence which has a sales tax can
hold you liable for sales taxes not collected by an out-of-state vendor.
Some also have a kissin' cousin called a "use tax," wherein they can wait
until the aircraft receives its airworthiness cert before commencing the
assessment process.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Thanks for the Tour |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 25/06/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>Those of us lucky enough to be on David Joyce's 'Tour de France' this week had
>a truly great trip! This was mainly due to David's immense hard work
>before hand,
>and his undoubted skills on the phone speaking French.
>We never went without accommodation, and the gourmet evening meals were
>organised
>throughout.
>I hope everyone got back OK.
>
>Thanks David. Bryan
I feel slightly ashamed Bryan, I would have written earlier but I've been
yanked away again to mend a Cozy
There were 3 of us who were lucky enough to go on Dave Buzz' Arctic Circle
tour. It was fantastic. Dave is a brilliant leader, so professional and
competent. (he was a weatherman once) We got to meet a lot of nice people,
Jos Okhuijsen, Svein Johnsen and his DC3 flying friend not least, I saw my
old friends Harald Linke and Norbert Hoffman. Norbert is fighting to get
his medical back, he has a nasty attack which his doctors said they
couldn't cure. Anyone who knows Norbert prays that his body can cure it.
Norbert, I hope you won't mind me mentioning this but when I had my problem
the good wishes of all of you helped me enormously. Just remember everyone
who knows you loves you.
The scenery north of Stockholm is daunting, nothing but 800 miles of trees,
sea, lakes and tundra but the Rotax never missed a beat. Ivalo, 68 north 27
east is a beautiful place, totally dependant on our Gulf Stream for it's
life style, is very hospitable, that's where our Club web site lives. I am
amazed by the log cabins, they look so basic but I just know they must be
adequate at 30 below. Hospitality is wonderful, even better than we
Europeans get in the USA, reindeer steak is much better than cow steak and
the fresh water "whitefish" was superb.
We had fantastic sky scapes both north and south. One of which stopped us
reaching Narvic. The lady ATC at our diversion still had a smile when we
went up to her tower. Our leader found it necessary to park in the first
turn off of the runway she specially opened for us, it was closed so we
declared an emergency at her suggestion, to look at the cowling. (It was
still shaking with cold.!?!) So was I, but it was rough at 500 feet over
the lake, well below the mountain tops. Laster the same day we eventually
landed in Oslo, around 10:30 PM to be very adequately looked after by
Svein. ( I'd love to sail one of those Trimarans we watched racing!)
The people were the best part, when you get into a group like ours the
friendship and mutual help available is so uplifting. We can all give a
little and it is always amazing that always so much more than we give comes
back. Makes life worth living.
Thanks again Dave for ten days of wonderful memories.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> I have been considering the Xcom with its built in intercom for my
Europa.
Very interested to hear what anyone with experience with this very new
product has to say.
I've been allocated a unit out of the first 100 to come off the line...
I have the invoice which was issued last week but have yet to see the
unit.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: microair 760 query, |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Oh oh, I have just taken delivery on my Xcom.... I hope it works!!
Paul Europa 363
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <beecho@beecho.org>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: microair 760 query,
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
> Hold the phone folks on the Microair and the Xcom. I have two microairs
> and an Xcom intercom. I also paid them $100USDs for a harness to tie
> the works together. The harness had a zillion errors that took me a
> looong time to find them all. When corrected, it still didn't
> work....... I began a loooong process of trying to get Xcom to remedy
> things to no avail. I was about to s-can the works when they finally
> started responding. They sent me another intercom which didn't work
> either, interestingly in a different way! They now sound more
> interested in making things right. Both intercoms and the harness are
> back in Oz and I am breathing hard waiting to see what happens. Sooo,
> hold the phone! I'll report what happens.
> Tom (Oh yes, I know of another builder who has been waiting a looooong
> time for delivery of his paid for Xcom vhf 760.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of s.vestuti
> To: europa list
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: microair 760 query,
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti"
> --> <s.vestuti@btinternet.com>
>
> hello all,
> thanks for the replies , it looks as though the external
> intercom is the way to go for the microair ,
> - or even the xcom 760 radio - it`s internal intercom is more
> conventional ,
> steve # 573
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
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| Subject: | Impact of MUW in cruise speeds |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I was just curious as to folks experience on the change in cruise sped (if any)
of adding a passenger.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
For your information EAA is working on making this bill of sale issue easier
on manufacturers & builders both.
Bob Jacobsen
N165BB
June 2, 2004 - EAA's recently submitted a request to change a Federal
Aviation Regulation (FAR) that would ease administrative burdens on for
homebuilders when they register their kit-built aircraft. FAR 47.33
currently requires the owner of an aircraft built from a kit to submit a
bill of sale with the application. The problem is most manufacturers do not
provide a bill of sale with the delivery of a kit. However, they do provide
an invoice.
EAA's recommends adding the words "or invoice" to FAR 47.33(c) as follows:
"If he built the aircraft from a kit, the applicant must also submit a bill
of sale or invoice from the manufacturer of the kit."
In February this year, FAA requested public comments for amending, removing
and simplifying any FAR. EAA's Aviation Services department routinely helps
EAA members sort out problems encountered while registering their aircraft.
the lack of a bill of sale is by far the biggest cause for delays in the
process.
"The requirement of a bill of sale causes a disproportionate number of
rejected registration applications that results in an administrative burden
on both the FAA and the aircraft builder," said Aviation Services Director
Charlie Becker. "Nothing is more frustrating to a builder than having the
paperwork process unnecessarily delay the first flight of the aircraft that
they worked so hard to complete."
The FAA's goal in requiring this documentation is to establish that a
particular kit was the starting point in the construction of the aircraft
regardless of the make or model listed by the amateur builder.
"This can be accomplished with an invoice," Becker said.
EAA members should note that it could take the FAA up to one year to
implement the requested change. EAA will continue to monitor the progress of
this change request as it works its way through the FAA/DOT rulemaking
system.
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| Subject: | Laced to the rudder pedals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Here is a new one to be aware of?!
On a recent long flight I was having a great time zipping along enjoying the
view. As usual when I'm flying for a long stretch I put my feet up between
the rudder pedals to strech out my legs.
Everthing was fine as usual until I pulled my feet out and found out my shoe
lace had looped over the right rudder pedal. Pulling on the foot just
pulled on the pedal and trying to reach way up in the foot well to untie
myself was, umh.. interesting (takes a good bit of contortion!!).
Anyway I finally freed the foot, retied the shoe and finished my trip - good
thing I didn't find out about it on short final.
I think I'm going to buy some new flying shoes - velcro anyone.
Still grinning everytime I fly!
Bob Jacobsen
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| Subject: | Impact of MUW in cruise speeds |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> I was just curious as to folks experience on the change in cruise
sped (if any) of adding a passenger.
With ZK-UBD we've noticed that the cruise speed improves with a
passenger on board. It improves even more as the CofG is pushed back.
I didn't mention it at the time for fear of being flamed but I have
documentary and photo evidence of UBD flying straight and level at
146knots Indicated, 149knots True at 1000amsl during a test flight ...
while being tracked by military radar who confirmed my ground speed. To
achieve this the aircraft was loaded at its maximum aft CofG.
Photos of the instrument panel from this flight are available upon
request.
For those who have been following my log I apologise for the lack of
updates but I've been getting my life back in order.
Regards
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Laced to the rudder pedals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brad Newell" <wendigo@olympus.net>
Hi, Bob...
One quick war story... On a solo flight one day, I kicked my T-28 into a
spin and held it there for the required two turns. When I tried to recover,
I discovered that the heel of my low-quarter had stuck under the rudder
pedal, quite effectively jamming it in place. Just about pulled the shoe
apart. Interesting few seconds.
Cheers,
Brad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Laced to the rudder pedals
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
>
> Here is a new one to be aware of?!
>
> On a recent long flight I was having a great time zipping along enjoying
the
> view. As usual when I'm flying for a long stretch I put my feet up
between
> the rudder pedals to strech out my legs.
>
> Everthing was fine as usual until I pulled my feet out and found out my
shoe
> lace had looped over the right rudder pedal. Pulling on the foot just
> pulled on the pedal and trying to reach way up in the foot well to untie
> myself was, umh.. interesting (takes a good bit of contortion!!).
>
> Anyway I finally freed the foot, retied the shoe and finished my trip -
good
> thing I didn't find out about it on short final.
>
> I think I'm going to buy some new flying shoes - velcro anyone.
>
> Still grinning everytime I fly!
>
> Bob Jacobsen
>
> http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>
>
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