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1. 12:26 AM - Re: Pay Back (Jeremy Davey)
2. 01:34 AM - Re: Radio interference (nigel charles)
3. 02:52 AM - Re: microair 760 query (Kingsley Hurst)
4. 04:55 AM - Re: microair 760 query (Kingsley Hurst)
5. 05:25 AM - Re: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax (Chris Beck)
6. 05:32 AM - Re: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax (Paul McAllister)
7. 09:19 AM - Fw: MFA (David Joyce)
8. 09:30 AM - Re: Fw: MFA (William Mills)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax (Alan Stewart)
10. 11:04 AM - Re: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax (Simon Smith)
11. 11:22 AM - Re: Impact of MUW in cruise speeds (Alan Stewart)
12. 11:25 AM - Re: Fw: MFA (Ami McFadyean)
13. 11:43 AM - Re: Impact of MUW in cruise speeds (Ami McFadyean)
14. 11:51 AM - Re: Fw: MFA (R.C.Harrison)
15. 12:33 PM - Re: Fw: MFA (RICHARD IDDON)
16. 05:46 PM - Re: Fw: MFA (None)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
>>> That's only because my ancestors were Pommies mate ! !
Does Oz Immigration still ask if you have a criminal record when you land?
And do you still need one?
PS Better not ask the Kiwis 'since when could England play cricket' :-)
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but holding off
while I do a load of small jobs first
1100 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | Re: Radio interference |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Geoff
As you have done most things and are clutching at straws check the
following:
Make sure all mic/tel leads are properly screened.
Check for earth loops ie. items earthed in more than one place. It is easy
to do this inadvertantly eg. when mounting the mic/tel sockets in a metal
box, if the box is connected to more than one screen it will create an earth
loop as all screens are already earthed at the radio/intercom. Also
connecting the radio or intercom chassis to earth in more than one place can
create an earth loop.
As this engine is relatively unusual it might be worth finding out if other
users of it have similar problems.
It sounds like the problem is associated with the ignition but have you
tried isolating the alternator/generator?
Do you get interference using a handheld? If not the problem is probably due
to the way the electrical system is wired.
If I can be of any more help coem back to me.
Regards
Nigel
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| Subject: | microair 760 query |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
All,
I have made XCOM aware of rumblings on the list re the XCOM Intercom and
XCOM 760 com and offered to post his right of reply on the list if he
should see fit.
I have only a few moments ago been able to contact him by phone owing to
mysterious problems I have had with e-mails so I invite you to 'Watch
this Space'
Regards to all - even Nev, Bob and Jeremy
I'll have you know Jeremy, heh heh, my ancestors had to pay for their
way out - I think !
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: microair 760 query |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
All,
Further to my posting a few hours ago, I have already received a reply from
Michael Coates (XCOM).
If you read everything below, I think there should be enough to allow you to
form your own conclusions. Everything below Michael's reply is what I sent
to Michael.
See what you think ! I know for sure I am going to wait for the XCOM 760.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Coates
Subject: Re: FW: Forum Chatter
I will try to respond to both your email addresses... still nothing through
on XCOM though..... it is strange because it comes to the same server as the
Pipistrel-USA account ??? Answers follow.....
Hello all, thanks for forwarding the emails to me for follow-up. Just a few
things i would like to point out first
SNIP (Oh yes, I know of another builder who has been waiting a looooong
time for delivery of his paid for Xcom vhf 760.)
This is absolutely not true......
Not a single person in the world has paid anything for an XCOM VHF
Transceiver !! Not even a deposit has been taken from anybody.... Sure
there are lots of orders, more than 300, but we have never taken a single
cent for payment or deposit on the radio until it's ready to ship..... I
think that's important to clarify this inaccuracy before i give you some
background info on the XCOM project.
The XCOM VHF project was dreamed up about 2.5 years ago. At the time i was
the biggest reseller of Microair products and there were things about the
radio i would like to have changed like adding a proper intercom, boosting
the power output, making the radio transmit the full 3 watts across the
whole frequency range and not 3 watts at 118 and 0.8 watts at 136 etc...
etc... Unfortunately the Microair company didn't see our suggestions as
constructive and chose not to implement these improvements into the Microair
range. It was about this time i meet with one of the engineers working in
the manufacturing company who made the Microair and we eventually realized
there was a market for an upgraded / updated version of the Microair and the
XCOM project was 'born' .
About 6 months later a prototype was displayed at Oshkosh and won Jim Weir's
award for "best product of show" and the inquiries and orders started coming
in. In retrospect it would have been best to keep our activities undercover
and just develop the product but none including myself though it would ever
take this long. The XCOM Avionics company is basically 2.5 people.... One
head engineer, a technician assistant and myself doing the sales, we are not
a mega millions company like Garmin and honestly we never will be..... but,
what we are trying to do is provide a product which is better than anything
else on the market (in our intended market segment - Sport Aviation), packed
with features for sport aircraft and to provide exceptional service to our
customers by providing the best aftersales service we can in the event of
any problems.
Having been self employed in business for more than 20 years i know problems
do happen, it is our intention to make these problems as small as we can for
the customer if something goes wrong but a lot of the time it is outside our
control.
The XCOM Intercom which i am now talking about now is a spin off from the
radio development..... I have Microair's in a lot of aircraft we sell, the
XCOM intercom was the answer to our prayers when matched to the Micorair and
it made the radio perform really well when installed properly.
The XCOM Intercom has now sold more than 300 units in the past year and we
have had 3 returns that have been due to the unit actually being defective.
Speaking of the returns they have all been in the original batch which were
either hand made or made by a manufacturer we no longer deal with, we have
since turned to a new production company which is a preferred electronics
supplier to Boeing and has full production control to military TSO
standards. Since the change we havent experienced any problems with the
units themselves but we still get a few units returned with the customers
reporting a problem but when tested they perform faultlessly.....
Our problems from customers are usually with their soldering and wiring
harness designs, electronics and harness's are something which has to be
right and you wouldn't believe what has been returned for testing. One
customer returned his harness with a full size 240 volt light switch which
you have on the wall of a house to turn the lights on and off..... He used
this to turn his radio and intercom off..... needless to say after making
some changes and replacing his household speaker wire with twisted and taped
joints (no soldier) it actually worked......
The unit spoken about in the bottom of this email hasn't made it to our
office yet but when it does we will be able to check it over and identify
the problem, it's highly unlikely (based on statistics alone) that the
customer in question has received two faulty intercoms, it is more likely to
be in the harness and if we made the harness and it doesn't work then it's
our mistake, but please be confident that the mistake will be fixed in the
quickest possible time and returned to the customer so he can commit
aviation again. I will be happy to forward our findings on the faults found
if it's of interest to anyone and if its a mistake that might happen again
then it will make it to the website in the FAQ section to try and help
someone having the same problems again.....
The comments on contacting us are valid, with over 800 ssppamm (spelt it
wrong so your rules don't trash this email reply) emails a day we now have
aggressive filters to slow it down but it seems to be dropping a few
legitimate inquiries... if this ever happens and you don't get a reply then
go back to the old fashioned way and send us a fax or give us a call... the
details follow.....
XCOM Avionics
4/24 Leda Drive, Leda Business Estate
Burleigh Heads. Queensland 4220. Australia
Phone Australia 07 5568 7770 Fax Australia 07 5568 7772
Phone International +61 7 5568 7770 Fax International +61 7 5568 7772
Hope this helps clear up any concerns, regards Michael Coates
XCOM Avionics
PS Drop by and say hello at site 423 at Oshkosh in the northern aircraft
area if you get a chance.
********* My e-mail to Michael **********
Michael
Second try as just arranged.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kingsley Hurst [mailto:khurst@taroom.qld.gov.au]
Subject: Forum Chatter
Michael,
Following is a copy of a posting I made yesterday on the Europa Matronics
List. It also contains the pertinent parts of original posts of two other
builders. ( See section below in Blue)
I received a couple of replies and after speaking to Nigel Andrews last
night I confirmed with them that the XCOM Intercom should alleviate the
things they don't like about the Microair intercom etc. Richard Iddon in
the UK has advised me already that he has ordered one from you as a result
of this.
I was therefore disappointed to read another post (see section below in
Fuchsia) received this morning.
There have also been another couple of rumblings (now deleted) so I am
passing these on to you FYI out of my genuine concern for what I believe
should be an excellent product and you don't need me to tell you what effect
postings like this can have travelling around the World at the speed of
light.
If you would care to make a response via me, I will forward your comments to
the list should you like me to do so. Since Nigel tells me you haven't been
able to contact me via e-mail, I would request you respond to the account
from which this has come and also to mailto:hurstkr@growzone.com.au My
work account mailto:khurst@taroom.qld.gov.au is now with a new ISP so I am
hoping it might be a bit more successful now.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
(W) 07 4628 9555
(H) 07 4627 3236
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Steve wrote:
has anybody used the built in intercom available on the microair 760 ,
or do
you opt for an external intercom ? it seems there is no separate /
independant volume control
for intercom / radio . any feedback appreciated .
cheers steve # 573
and
Richard wrote:
I am using the built in intercom on my Microair but it does seem to
generate a good deal of background noise whilst it is switched on and it
is a bit inconvenient switching it on and off every time you need to
talk to ATC. I am thinking of buying a voice activated intercom to make
things a bit more peaceful. The volume control on my headsets seems to
adjust the intercom volume OK.
Gentlemen,
I understand the XCOM intercom may be the answer to your problems with
the microair. I will pass on your postings to a person who will be able
to give you very reliable advice in this regard. In the meantime, you
may like to check out the following link to the XCOM intercom.
http://www.mcp.com.au/xcom760/intercom/intercom.html
and no, I'm not on any commission.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
--> Europa-List message posted by: <deleted>
Hold the phone folks on the Microair and the Xcom. I have two microairs
and an Xcom intercom. I also paid them $100USDs for a harness to tie
the works together. The harness had a zillion errors that took me a
looong time to find them all. When corrected, it still didn't
work....... I began a loooong process of trying to get Xcom to remedy
things to no avail. I was about to s-can the works when they finally
started responding. They sent me another intercom which didn't work
either, interestingly in a different way! They now sound more
interested in making things right. Both intercoms and the harness are
back in Oz and I am breathing hard waiting to see what happens. Sooo,
hold the phone! I'll report what happens.
Tom (Oh yes, I know of another builder who has been waiting a looooong
time for delivery of his paid for Xcom vhf 760.)
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| Subject: | Re: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Chris Beck" <n9zes@execpc.com>
Have you pulled the plugs and looked at them? That can also tell you a
lot. Theoretically, you should pull them immediately after a high
power run with a quick engine shutdown. Practically, that makes it
tough unless you do a ground runup. I don't think you want to do a
high power climb, kill the engine, and deadstick it, huh?
I definitely don't think you should see soot buildup from a 914, just
maybe some brownish residue. Are you running autogas?
Chris
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering how the correct air / fuel ratio is set for a 914. I
> suspect that mine is running a bit rich. I see black soot on the
cowling
> and on the under side of the wing. I think that the fuel flows are on
the
> high side. I am seeing the following numbers.
>
> - 4500' @ 30' x 5000 rpm = 6.2 US Gallons per hour.
> - 4500' @ 28' x 5000 rpm = 5.5 US Gallons per hour
> - 4500' @ 26' x 5000 rpm = 4.5 US Gallons per hour
>
> I am also suspicious that it uses more fuel at the same power
settings at
> higher altitudes. I will connect my laptop to my EIS latter this
week and
> collect a larger data set to verify my measurements.
>
> I'd appreciate anyone's opinion as to what I am seeing so far.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
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| Subject: | Re: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Chris,
I am running auto gas. I need to check the EGT's for each power setting. I
only glanced at one of them when I was collecting the data set below and it
was around 1350, for a Rotax I suspect that this is a bit on the cool side.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Beck" <n9zes@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chris Beck" <n9zes@execpc.com>
>
> Have you pulled the plugs and looked at them? That can also tell you a
> lot. Theoretically, you should pull them immediately after a high
> power run with a quick engine shutdown. Practically, that makes it
> tough unless you do a ground runup. I don't think you want to do a
> high power climb, kill the engine, and deadstick it, huh?
>
> I definitely don't think you should see soot buildup from a 914, just
> maybe some brownish residue. Are you running autogas?
>
> Chris
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was wondering how the correct air / fuel ratio is set for a 914. I
> > suspect that mine is running a bit rich. I see black soot on the
> cowling
> > and on the under side of the wing. I think that the fuel flows are on
> the
> > high side. I am seeing the following numbers.
> >
> > - 4500' @ 30' x 5000 rpm = 6.2 US Gallons per hour.
> > - 4500' @ 28' x 5000 rpm = 5.5 US Gallons per hour
> > - 4500' @ 26' x 5000 rpm = 4.5 US Gallons per hour
> >
> > I am also suspicious that it uses more fuel at the same power
> settings at
> > higher altitudes. I will connect my laptop to my EIS latter this
> week and
> > collect a larger data set to verify my measurements.
> >
> > I'd appreciate anyone's opinion as to what I am seeing so far.
> >
> > Thanks, Paul
> >
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
This looks as though it could make a good Europa outing in early August
Regards, David Joyce
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Fw: MFA
Anyone for a trip to Isle of Man?
It should be worth it to hear Burt Rutan.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jurby Airshow 2004
Subject: MFA
Hi, could you please advise your friends of our event, being hold over the
weekend of 6th, 7th and 8th August.
Full fly in details can be found under the 'information' link on the website www.mfa.org.im .
Briefly, it is a weekend of air displays and air racing with free landings
and parking for visiting aircraft.
Direct arrivals to Jurby are allowed provided the required Special Branch
forms are completed, these are available for download on the website.
This years guests of honour are Burt and Dick Rutan, who will be giving a
lecture on the Friday Evening.
www.mfa.org.im
Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
I quite agree, William
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> This looks as though it could make a good Europa outing in early August
> Regards, David Joyce
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Subject: Fw: MFA
>
>
> Anyone for a trip to Isle of Man?
>
> It should be worth it to hear Burt Rutan.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jurby Airshow 2004
> To: jdn.hopkins@virgin.net
> Subject: MFA
>
>
> Hi, could you please advise your friends of our event, being hold
over the weekend of 6th, 7th and 8th August.
>
> Full fly in details can be found under the 'information' link on the
website www.mfa.org.im .
>
> Briefly, it is a weekend of air displays and air racing with free
landings and parking for visiting aircraft.
>
> Direct arrivals to Jurby are allowed provided the required Special
Branch forms are completed, these are available for download on the website.
>
> This years guests of honour are Burt and Dick Rutan, who will be
giving a lecture on the Friday Evening.
>
>
> www.mfa.org.im
>
>
> Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages
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| Subject: | Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
The Rotax 912 does appear to use less fuel at altitude, keeping RPM
constant, (though I know I'm not comparing 'like with like', so my
situation isn't relevant for you). I think this is due mostly to the
altitude compensation feature built into the carbs.
I always reckon on a ballpark 17 1/2 litres/hr at 1000ft and 5200RPM or
so. My prop. is a traditional W.D. ground adjustable (slightly coarsely
adjusted; runs about 4900RPM static) and my aircraft is a 'classic'.
17 1/2 litres would be 3.8 Imperial gallons or 4.6 US gallons.
(approx: 4.55 litres = 1 Imp. gallon = 1.2 US gallon)
At, say 10,000ft AGL (yes, I really do get up there ;) there is a
noticeable decrease in fuel burn and consequent improvement in range.
(possibly reducing to 15 l/hr or less, but I've never accurately
measured). TAS increases too, but I think that the biggest benefit is in
straight 'point to point' flying with fewer performance degrading
course/altitude changes. I have about 70 litres useable in my main tank,
so I think I could make the Med. in one hop from S. England with fair
wind and empty bladder ;)
Less seriously..
.. not a patch on Singapore Airlines new A340-500, non-stop Singapore -
New York service though. (10,300 statute in 18 hours). I think London -
Sydney is only 10,500 by the shortest route.
...I just hammered my figures into the flight planning section of
www.flightcalc.com. I get 75 hours and 264 Imp gallons for the same
journey !
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I was wondering how the correct air / fuel ratio is set for a 914. I
suspect that mine is running a bit rich. I see black soot on the
cowling
and on the under side of the wing. I think that the fuel flows are on
the
high side. I am seeing the following numbers.
- 4500' @ 30' x 5000 rpm = 6.2 US Gallons per hour.
- 4500' @ 28' x 5000 rpm = 5.5 US Gallons per hour
- 4500' @ 26' x 5000 rpm = 4.5 US Gallons per hour
I am also suspicious that it uses more fuel at the same power settings
at
higher altitudes. I will connect my laptop to my EIS latter this week
and
collect a larger data set to verify my measurements.
I'd appreciate anyone's opinion as to what I am seeing so far.
Thanks, Paul
==
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==
==
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| Subject: | Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Section 8.3 of the revision to the 914 op manual dated nov 2002 gives a
figure of 20.4L or 5.4usg at 75% power and page 10.4 give 75% power as
5000rpm and 31" with a vp prop.
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Setting the mixture - 914 Rotax
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
--> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I was wondering how the correct air / fuel ratio is set for a 914. I
suspect that mine is running a bit rich. I see black soot on the cowling
and on the under side of the wing. I think that the fuel flows are on the
high side. I am seeing the following numbers.
- 4500' @ 30' x 5000 rpm = 6.2 US Gallons per hour.
- 4500' @ 28' x 5000 rpm = 5.5 US Gallons per hour
- 4500' @ 26' x 5000 rpm = 4.5 US Gallons per hour
I am also suspicious that it uses more fuel at the same power settings at
higher altitudes. I will connect my laptop to my EIS latter this week and
collect a larger data set to verify my measurements.
I'd appreciate anyone's opinion as to what I am seeing so far.
Thanks, Paul
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Impact of MUW in cruise speeds |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
I clocked my best ever ground speed @ circa 182 knots (210mph) in steady
descent over the English Channel 5000 ft about 3 years ago. When I
levelled out it fell to around 162 knots, engine firewalled at 5700RPM.
Guaranteed, and recorded on my GPS !
..on that basis, I figure the tailwind component must have been IRO 30
knots.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
See you there then!
This will make up for the May Jurby event that was cancelled. The water is
warmer now too.
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> I quite agree, William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: "Europa list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> >
> > This looks as though it could make a good Europa outing in early August
> > Regards, David Joyce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Subject: Fw: MFA
> >
> >
> > Anyone for a trip to Isle of Man?
> >
> > It should be worth it to hear Burt Rutan.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jurby Airshow 2004
> > To: jdn.hopkins@virgin.net
> > Subject: MFA
> >
> >
> > Hi, could you please advise your friends of our event, being hold
> over the weekend of 6th, 7th and 8th August.
> >
> > Full fly in details can be found under the 'information' link on
the
> website www.mfa.org.im .
> >
> > Briefly, it is a weekend of air displays and air racing with free
> landings and parking for visiting aircraft.
> >
> > Direct arrivals to Jurby are allowed provided the required Special
> Branch forms are completed, these are available for download on the
website.
> >
> > This years guests of honour are Burt and Dick Rutan, who will be
> giving a lecture on the Friday Evening.
> >
> >
> > www.mfa.org.im
> >
> >
> > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Impact of MUW in cruise speeds |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
That was brave; Firewalled throttle over the Channel!
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Impact of MUW in cruise speeds
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart"
<alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
>
>
> I clocked my best ever ground speed @ circa 182 knots (210mph) in steady
> descent over the English Channel 5000 ft about 3 years ago. When I
> levelled out it fell to around 162 knots, engine firewalled at 5700RPM.
> Guaranteed, and recorded on my GPS !
>
> ..on that basis, I figure the tailwind component must have been IRO 30
> knots.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! David.
Provisionally I'd be interested for perhaps just the Friday Night then
return Saturday.
I've sent off my application for Czech Airspace permission from 14th August
through 28th perchance William's 6 nations trip materialises eitherside of
the Interlarken Rally weekend. Anyone else taking the bait?
Are you taking the trip David? I was wondering if the Kremen visit could be
reactivated?
I'm at Project Propeller Event North Weald this Saturday, taking a WWII
Spitfire Veteran for the day , my landing slot is 12.30 to 12.44.
Expect to be at Kemble on Friday 9th only, then running my Cancer Equipment
trial flying lesson raffle on the 10th.
Round Scotland 17th through 28th but in the caravan with American Cousins.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> This looks as though it could make a good Europa outing in early August
> Regards, David Joyce
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Subject: Fw: MFA
>
>
> Anyone for a trip to Isle of Man?
>
> It should be worth it to hear Burt Rutan.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jurby Airshow 2004
> To: jdn.hopkins@virgin.net
> Subject: MFA
>
>
> Hi, could you please advise your friends of our event, being hold
over the weekend of 6th, 7th and 8th August.
>
> Full fly in details can be found under the 'information' link on the
website www.mfa.org.im .
>
> Briefly, it is a weekend of air displays and air racing with free
landings and parking for visiting aircraft.
>
> Direct arrivals to Jurby are allowed provided the required Special
Branch forms are completed, these are available for download on the website.
>
> This years guests of honour are Burt and Dick Rutan, who will be
giving a lecture on the Friday Evening.
>
>
> www.mfa.org.im
>
>
> Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Sounds good to me too. Only thing is I can't find Jurby in my Pooleys
or Lockyears guide?
Richard I G-RIXS
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ami
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
See you there then!
This will make up for the May Jurby event that was cancelled. The water
is
warmer now too.
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> I quite agree, William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: "Europa list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> >
> > This looks as though it could make a good Europa outing in early
August
> > Regards, David Joyce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Subject: Fw: MFA
> >
> >
> > Anyone for a trip to Isle of Man?
> >
> > It should be worth it to hear Burt Rutan.
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: None <FinTeam@comcast.net>
On Jun 30, 2004, at 3:33 PM, RICHARD IDDON wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON"
> <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> Sounds good to me too. Only thing is I can't find Jurby in my Pooleys
> or Lockyears guide?
>
> Richard I G-RIXS
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ami
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> See you there then!
> This will make up for the May Jurby event that was cancelled. The water
> is
> warmer now too.
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>>
>> I quite agree, William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>> To: "Europa list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Fw: MFA
>>
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
>> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>>
>>> This looks as though it could make a good Europa outing in early
> August
>>> Regards, David Joyce
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> Subject: Fw: MFA
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone for a trip to Isle of Man?
>>>
>>> It should be worth it to hear Burt Rutan.
>>
>
>
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