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1. 11:22 AM - Re: Matronic on the Europa Forum (SteveD)
2. 03:55 PM - Just Testing (RICHARD IDDON)
3. 04:29 PM - Brake Lines (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
4. 05:08 PM - Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) (Tony Renshaw)
5. 05:30 PM - Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) (Cliff Shaw)
6. 05:32 PM - Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) ()
7. 05:36 PM - Re: Brake Lines (Cliff Shaw)
8. 05:47 PM - Re: Brake Lines (Rob Housman)
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| Subject: | RE: Matronic on the Europa Forum |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Hello all,
The add photos and files feature of the EuropaOwnersForum is complete.
If you go to http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ and post a message under Europa-list it will be sent to the Matronics Europa-list. If you add photos and attachments to the post the links to your photos will automatically be added to the email.
This eliminates uploading your photos some place, opening it your browser, getting
the link, coping into your email, having the link broken because the free
server only keeps the photos for so long, or the list user doesn't have access.
Anyway it's done.
Here's what happens when you don't pay attention to what your doing.
The right size gussets remained safe and sound next to the sanded.
I added reinforcements to the areas that took the abuse of removal.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Having problems with my email so please ignore this post. Just testing
to see if I receive.
Do not archive.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day to all,
I was wondering what people were using for brake line? Aeroquip 303 hose with
491 fittings? Any special tools needed? Or are most people using aluminum
after the dual master cylinder? What size? Type of fittings? And especially
between the gear leg and the wheel cylinder? I have seen only a flexible rubber.
I have made my fuel lines from aluminum and have the necessary tools for
that......are they same for brake line if you use small aluminum?
This would be on a conventional gear but would probably be similar to a
Trigear setup.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear being assembled
now.
Waiting sixteen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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| Subject: | Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Over the years there has been an ongoing thread regarding the lubricants of
choice for the tufnol bearings. I am just about to install my module and
recognise now is the right time to apply a lubricant. My controls are
relatively loose anyway, except for a small binding at "full left aileron".
I understand hydrocarbon based lubricants are not ideal, but I don't know
why. I think it has something to do with the potential swelling of the
tufnol, but I am not certain. So, people talk about synthetic oils etc,
silicone based or non-silicone. Now I know silicone near a surface to be
bonded is "Bad", but I do not intend on bonding anywhere near my bearings !!
So, can someone please tell me more about these lubricant options. I
believe some of the pushbike lubricants may well be good, but am
floundering a little on a lack of knowledge.
Thanks in anticipation
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Tony
I am of the opinion the no added liberation works best of all.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
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| Subject: | Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
GiddayTony
I puzzled over the same question. I eventually ground a little grease
groove around the inside of the tufnol bearing and installed a little
tube with a Lur-Lock fitting on the end that fits the end of a syringe.
I then injected a non petroleum based lubricant and can do so any time
in the future. They are completely free now. (Three years later.) It
seems to me that a way of getting something in there in the future is
wise.
Tom XS mono Jab Airmaster TruTrak N96V California
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
--> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Over the years there has been an ongoing thread regarding the lubricants
of
choice for the tufnol bearings. I am just about to install my module and
recognise now is the right time to apply a lubricant. My controls are
relatively loose anyway, except for a small binding at "full left
aileron".
I understand hydrocarbon based lubricants are not ideal, but I don't
know
why. I think it has something to do with the potential swelling of the
tufnol, but I am not certain. So, people talk about synthetic oils etc,
silicone based or non-silicone. Now I know silicone near a surface to be
bonded is "Bad", but I do not intend on bonding anywhere near my
bearings !! So, can someone please tell me more about these lubricant
options. I
believe some of the pushbike lubricants may well be good, but am
floundering a little on a lack of knowledge.
Thanks in anticipation
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&na
me=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18
ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Mike
I used Nylo-Seal Nylon tubing. It worked well and is plenty strong enough.
I did not use the nylon fitting. I used brass fitting that came with my
master cylinders and reservoir.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
flying and loving it.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Here's the list of items I bought from McMaster-Carr (www.mcmaster.com) to
replace the factory supplied plastic tubing with brass (inside the fuselage)
and stainless steel (down the gear legs), and to add brakes to the starboard
side footwell. All but the last two items are brass fittings and check
valves (req'd only to add the second set of pedals); the last two are the
tubing in 6 foot lengths - best to allow extra for "experimentation" with
tube bending unless you are experienced. I used a second pair of Europa
supplied master cylinders (which are actually go-kart brake master
cylinders) for the starboard side.
P/N price ea qty req'd
4860K141 $3.60 4
9171K16 $6.83 4
46105K31 $7.00 4
5220K31 $1.13 4
52185K657 $9.50 6
5220K135 $3.47 2
5220K91 $1.34 2
8950K51 $7.37 5
89785K812 $44.24 2
The only special tool needed (all fittings are compression type, not flared)
is the tubing bender (McMaster p/n 2492A12 at $28.81).
It's no fun bending and installing the rigid tubing but I've had a bad
experience with a plastic hydraulic clutch line in an (English made)
automobile so I think it is worth the effort.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Brake Lines
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day to all,
I was wondering what people were using for brake line? Aeroquip 303 hose
with
491 fittings? Any special tools needed? Or are most people using aluminum
after the dual master cylinder? What size? Type of fittings? And especially
between the gear leg and the wheel cylinder? I have seen only a flexible
rubber.
I have made my fuel lines from aluminum and have the necessary tools for
that......are they same for brake line if you use small aluminum?
This would be on a conventional gear but would probably be similar to a
Trigear setup.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear being assembled
now.
Waiting sixteen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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