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1. 01:16 AM - Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) (Ami McFadyean)
2. 03:22 AM - Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) (Alan Stewart)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than.... (R.C.Harrison)
4. 06:23 AM - Re: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) (Fergus Kyle)
5. 06:52 AM - aileron closeout question (Andrew Sarangan)
6. 07:00 AM - Re: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) (Kevin Klinefelter)
7. 07:12 AM - Re: aileron closeout question (Kevin Klinefelter)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) (G-IANI)
9. 07:21 AM - Re: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
10. 07:41 AM - Fitting the top, the final frontier (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
11. 07:54 AM - Re: Fitting the top, the final frontier (SteveD)
12. 08:12 AM - A request for Cradle drawings (SteveD)
13. 08:25 AM - Re: aileron closeout question (Andrew Sarangan)
14. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than.... (Ami McFadyean)
15. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than.... (Ami McFadyean)
16. 09:35 AM - Re: Isle of Man 7th & 8th August (Alan Burrows)
17. 09:42 AM - Re: Fitting the top, the final frontier (Fergus Kyle)
18. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than.... (Rob Housman)
19. 11:19 AM - Re: aileron closeout question (Kevin Klinefelter)
20. 12:05 PM - PFA Rally - Free Taxi Service - Get into the Rally for free (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
21. 02:45 PM - TUESDAY HAT DROP? (bryan allsop)
22. 04:13 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/03/04 (Graham Singleton)
23. 05:00 PM - Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) (JR (Bob) Gowing)
24. 05:02 PM - Re: aileron closeout question (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
25. 07:05 PM - Re: aileron closeout question (Kevin Klinefelter)
26. 08:09 PM - Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) (Tony Renshaw)
27. 08:59 PM - Carbon Bracing of fuel tank??? (Tony R)
28. 09:38 PM - Re: aileron closeout question (Andrew Sarangan)
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| Subject: | Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Having soaked a peice of tufnol in synthetic 2-stroke oil for a number of
months, I can confirm that it swelled.
However, the particular brand of 2S oil (Castrol TTS) is known to contain a
small amount of white spirit; it might have been the latter substance that
was responsible for hte swelling.
It all depends how close your tolerances are on the initial se-up. If the
tolerances are slack, then the bearing may even benefit from a little
swelling.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> Over the years there has been an ongoing thread regarding the lubricants
of
> choice for the tufnol bearings. I am just about to install my module and
> recognise now is the right time to apply a lubricant. My controls are
> relatively loose anyway, except for a small binding at "full left
aileron".
> I understand hydrocarbon based lubricants are not ideal, but I don't know
> why. I think it has something to do with the potential swelling of the
> tufnol, but I am not certain. So, people talk about synthetic oils etc,
> silicone based or non-silicone. Now I know silicone near a surface to be
> bonded is "Bad", but I do not intend on bonding anywhere near my bearings
!!
> So, can someone please tell me more about these lubricant options. I
> believe some of the pushbike lubricants may well be good, but am
> floundering a little on a lack of knowledge.
> Thanks in anticipation
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
>
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=g
allery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f
85a704b
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
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| Subject: | Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
My monowheel classic is shoehorned into a very crowded hanger with a
collection of other aircraft. We're about to be joined by one more,
another monowheel Europa, making three in all. As you can imagine this
leads to considerable frustration for all interested parties, a certain
amount of competition (to be at the front, near the doors), and the
serious risk of 'hanger rash'.
Landing gear of aircraft isn't designed for ease of ground
manoeuvrability. This means that our hanger 'jigsaw' fails to use all
available space. Stored aircraft positioning and orientation is a poor
compromise of turning circle and obstacle avoidance, and lately, it has
become very difficult to extricate the Europas from the within a sea of
other hazards.
To resolve our woes, it occurred to me that there may be a simple
designed solution for the purposes of manoeuvring of our three identical
Europas as follows:
"A low wheelbase (couple of cm ?) braked and castor-wheel equipped
trolley or 'dolly', capable of easy wheeled motion in all horizontal
directions, with a small platform onto which the aircraft's monowheel
might be rolled and locked."
Our smooth, flat, concreted, hanger floor is an ideal surface upon which
this unit might role. Obviously it would need a simple, solid, easily
accessible brake, coupled with a very short and gently inclined ramp to
run the main wheel. The tail wheel of my aircraft is capable of about
270 degrees of rotation, and both outriggers are clear of the ground
(particularly on a trolley) with the wings positioned 'dead level', so I
foresee accurate hangar manoeuvring, with just one or two individuals. I
think this may help resolve our current difficulties.
Short of designing one myself, I wondered if anyone had already come up
with a solution to this problem ?
Grateful in advance,
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Europa Matronic circuit chaps .... any contributions to establishing the whereabouts
of teflon lined flexible fuel pipes would be greatly appreciated.
Hi! David, Yes I also understood 5 years but counting from when? the kit is made
up prior to sale, when it is sold, when it is fitted or when it is first introduced
to fuel mogas and /or avgas ?
If I hadn't had to prat about with my engine it was to be done last winter......
such is life ......or death!
I think the stuff is a total abomination automobiles go for years and years with
rubber pipe connections without failures. The Jabiru piping is seemingly more
resilient, but I'd like to get onto this teflon stuff. I've got a call out to
Graham Singleton I'll announce any useful info.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: David Joyce
To: Robert Harrison
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than....
Bob, Sorry to hear about it, but I suppose better there than 1/2 way between
Norway & Shetlands. And there was I thinking that you had opted out because it
was a bit windy! - which it was - My landing wind at N.Weald runway 20 was 260
19 kts, but there had been gusts of up to 26kts. On getting back to Kemble my
finals wind was 31kts, gusting 37, but fortunately only 10deg off heading. Incidentally,
your slot was full of any number of other buggers who were either
late or early as well as the several who should have shared it with you. 120+
planes were expected but only 83 made it.
I have been giving hoses some thought for a while, and your experience
will hasten the decision to replace the lot, (which I understand should
be done every 5 yrs anyway. How old were yours? Have no idea where to get Teflon
lined hose, but would think it worth airing your experiences and the question
on the email net.
Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Harrison
To: David Joyce
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than....
Hi! David.
Not that my slot at North Weald caused you any delay !
I'm looking for a more emphatic word than embarrassed!
Major blockage of fuel lines from both main and reserve tanks to tap, thought
to be the inner lining to the fuel pipes degrading and strangling the fuel
supply. fortunately just passing RAF WYTON. !
Mind you since I had a sign of a problem when I abhorted my first take off
from Wickenby I now know every harvested pea field and every "set aside" brown
field between Wickenby and Wyton !
I blew back down each pipe to restore full flow only to have each block up
again twice on take off from the very long runway at Wyton (one departure!)
Needing to collect the a/c on Sunday in the trailer !
If you have any unchanged fuel pipe on your bird I suggest you watch out with
bated breath!
I managed to get my man there in a taxi for =A360 and he and his wife picked
me up on their way back !
Watch this space!
regards
Bob H G-PTAG Grounded, have 'plane but won't come out to play.
PS Do you know where I can get teflon lined flexible fuel pipe?
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
The third dimension:
I read your dilemma (below) with brotherly concern, as am building in a
spare bedroom, and have erected the Europa in it with 4 inches to spare,
each wingtip. During this, it occurred to me that perhaps one could
incorporate an elevating device like a car lifter which would raise the
extremities to ride over the others (same ilk) and then when in position,
lower onto floor.
Outlandish I agree but might percolate an alternative.............
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; )
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart"
<alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
|
| My monowheel classic is shoehorned into a very crowded hanger with a
| collection of other aircraft. We're about to be joined by one more,
| another monowheel Europa, making three in all. As you can imagine this
| leads to considerable frustration for all interested parties, a certain
| amount of competition (to be at the front, near the doors), and the
| serious risk of 'hanger rash'.
|
| Landing gear of aircraft isn't designed for ease of ground
| manoeuvrability. This means that our hanger 'jigsaw' fails to use all
| available space. Stored aircraft positioning and orientation is a poor
| compromise of turning circle and obstacle avoidance, and lately, it has
| become very difficult to extricate the Europas from the within a sea of
| other hazards.
|
| To resolve our woes, it occurred to me that there may be a simple
| designed solution for the purposes of manoeuvring of our three identical
| Europas as follows:
|
| "A low wheelbase (couple of cm ?) braked and castor-wheel equipped
| trolley or 'dolly', capable of easy wheeled motion in all horizontal
| directions, with a small platform onto which the aircraft's monowheel
| might be rolled and locked."
|
| Our smooth, flat, concreted, hanger floor is an ideal surface upon which
| this unit might role. Obviously it would need a simple, solid, easily
| accessible brake, coupled with a very short and gently inclined ramp to
| run the main wheel. The tail wheel of my aircraft is capable of about
| 270 degrees of rotation, and both outriggers are clear of the ground
| (particularly on a trolley) with the wings positioned 'dead level', so I
| foresee accurate hangar manoeuvring, with just one or two individuals. I
| think this may help resolve our current difficulties.
|
| Short of designing one myself, I wondered if anyone had already come up
| with a solution to this problem ?
|
| Grateful in advance,
| Alan
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | aileron closeout question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
During the closeout, the bolt placement turned out
fine and the distance from the LE and hinge lip was
almost exact. However, when I left it for curing, I
had not noticed that the A2 plate was not exactly flat
on the foam. One end of A2 is about 2 mm proud of the
foam surface. I would not have noticed it except for
the fact that the side flanges were a little
transparent and you can see the A2 plate inside. I
suspect the bolt has a small tilt too, although I
can't see it with the eye. Any ideas what this is
going to do to the aileron alignment?
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| Subject: | Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I had a welder friend fabricate just such a dolly for the main wheel on our
17M tandem sailplane some years ago. Now you see them available as car
dollies in catalogs such as Harbor Freight Tools or J.C. Whitney. However
these off the shelf models are for car size wheels and do not have a "ramp"
design to roll up in there. Viewing them may give you some ideas toward your
own design or could be modified?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Stewart
Subject: Europa-List: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; )
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart"
<alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
My monowheel classic is shoehorned into a very crowded hanger with a
collection of other aircraft. We're about to be joined by one more,
another monowheel Europa, making three in all. As you can imagine this
leads to considerable frustration for all interested parties, a certain
amount of competition (to be at the front, near the doors), and the
serious risk of 'hanger rash'.
Landing gear of aircraft isn't designed for ease of ground
manoeuvrability. This means that our hanger 'jigsaw' fails to use all
available space. Stored aircraft positioning and orientation is a poor
compromise of turning circle and obstacle avoidance, and lately, it has
become very difficult to extricate the Europas from the within a sea of
other hazards.
To resolve our woes, it occurred to me that there may be a simple
designed solution for the purposes of manoeuvring of our three identical
Europas as follows:
"A low wheelbase (couple of cm ?) braked and castor-wheel equipped
trolley or 'dolly', capable of easy wheeled motion in all horizontal
directions, with a small platform onto which the aircraft's monowheel
might be rolled and locked."
Our smooth, flat, concreted, hanger floor is an ideal surface upon which
this unit might role. Obviously it would need a simple, solid, easily
accessible brake, coupled with a very short and gently inclined ramp to
run the main wheel. The tail wheel of my aircraft is capable of about
270 degrees of rotation, and both outriggers are clear of the ground
(particularly on a trolley) with the wings positioned 'dead level', so I
foresee accurate hangar manoeuvring, with just one or two individuals. I
think this may help resolve our current difficulties.
Short of designing one myself, I wondered if anyone had already come up
with a solution to this problem ?
Grateful in advance,
Alan
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| Subject: | aileron closeout question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
The distance from the bolt to the hinge pin needs to be the same on both
ailerons so they deflect the same amount when installed. If one bolt has a
small tilt to it, are they really both the same distance to the hinge pin?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Subject: Europa-List: aileron closeout question
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
During the closeout, the bolt placement turned out
fine and the distance from the LE and hinge lip was
almost exact. However, when I left it for curing, I
had not noticed that the A2 plate was not exactly flat
on the foam. One end of A2 is about 2 mm proud of the
foam surface. I would not have noticed it except for
the fact that the side flanges were a little
transparent and you can see the A2 plate inside. I
suspect the bolt has a small tilt too, although I
can't see it with the eye. Any ideas what this is
going to do to the aileron alignment?
__________________________________
http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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| Subject: | Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Have you considered a solution I have seen used at Newtownards (Northern
Ireland). They use a ramp and platform, equipped with a electric winch
positioned between the wingtips of two parked aircraft. The third aircraft
is winched up onto the platform so it sits with its wings above the other
two. This was being done with the two seat Jabiru. If the surface level
aircraft are low wing and the upper mid or high wing the platform only needs
to be a few inches high to give plenty of clearance.
I was impressed with this as a bit of lateral thinking
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Waiting for my Permit to Fly
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Stewart
Subject: Europa-List: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; )
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger manoeuvres in tight spaces ! ; ) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 7/4/2004 6:23:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk writes:
> Short of designing one myself, I wondered if anyone had already come up
> with a solution to this problem ?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> I've sent you some pictures of the dollys we use to move sailplanes around
> in our hangar. They work great. Please feel free to share them with anybody
> that is interested. I can provide dimensions if needed.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245 (Final fitting of the top today)
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| Subject: | Fitting the top, the final frontier |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
For quite some time now I've been working towards getting my top bonded on.
I've been trying to think of every conceivable task that needs done before the
top goes on in order to limit future time spent standing on my head. Just
about the time I thought I had everything done, I'd think of a couple of more
things easier to do with the top off. Well, after about a month of head
scratching, planning, thinking and diligent effort I believe I'm finally ready
for the
canoe to look like an airplane. The problem is, I'm having trouble getting the
fuselage moldings to fit exactly right at the tail. I have about a 1/2" gap at
the joggle at the very aft end of the fuselage which tapers forward to no gap
and I suspect it is because I've not yet trimmed out the little triangle
pieces left in place by the factory to strengthen the tail area. My theory is that
the triangle pieces are causing the upper molding to ride up on the lower
molding and not allow it to drop into place, thus causing the gap at the rear.
The manual warns to not trim these little triangles out until ready to bond, but
I want to insure the fit is absolutely correct before mixing the green stuff.
So, those that have come before me, how weak is the tail after these are cut
out? I currently have my trigear up on it's gear and have been moving the top
from a set of saw horses to the bottom half, back and forth, as I tweak the
fit. Will this be a problem after the triangles are removed? Is the tail sturdy
enough to be moved by two people without damage? It looks to me like the only
way it could be damaged is by rotating it after the triangles are cut away and
not supporting the vertical fin.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245 (Happy 4th of July to those on this side of the pond)
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| Subject: | RE: Fitting the top, the final frontier |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Well, I cut the corners out the first time I did the fit up. I moved the top on
and off 20 or 30 times by myself. Plopped the top on for a trailer ride to the
airport. Cut my access holes upside down on saw horses.
The tail is plenty strong. Just never get the tail twisting at a 45 deg angle without
support. Be gentle with it and you'll be fine.
Steved.
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| Subject: | A request for Cradle drawings |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Hi all,
I've had several requests for cradle drawings on the EuropaForum.
I'd like to post all plans. Mono, Tri-gear, Tri-dragger. Any and all plans.
Please Email me what you have off list, and I'll post them in the Docs section
of the Forum.
Thanks,
Steved. A217
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| Subject: | aileron closeout question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
Actually, the top end of the bolt (the end that sticks
out farthest from the aileron) has the correct
distances. The bottom end is not. The bottom end is
about 1.2mm displaced from the top end due to the
tilt.
--- Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gte.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin
> Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> The distance from the bolt to the hinge pin needs to
> be the same on both
> ailerons so they deflect the same amount when
> installed. If one bolt has a
> small tilt to it, are they really both the same
> distance to the hinge pin?
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: aileron closeout question
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan
> <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
>
>
> During the closeout, the bolt placement turned out
> fine and the distance from the LE and hinge lip was
> almost exact. However, when I left it for curing, I
> had not noticed that the A2 plate was not exactly
> flat
> on the foam. One end of A2 is about 2 mm proud of
> the
> foam surface. I would not have noticed it except for
> the fact that the side flanges were a little
> transparent and you can see the A2 plate inside. I
> suspect the bolt has a small tilt too, although I
> can't see it with the eye. Any ideas what this is
> going to do to the aileron alignment?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word |
than....
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Bob,
See attached message in double ""quotes"" immediately below this note, which
describes a similar experience following a trip in France using Avgas.
I wonder whether the recent hike in crude oil prices has caused a change in
formulation or other cost-driven "fix" down at the refinery?
Duncan McF
""I meant to drain out all that nasty Avgas last weekend, but didn't get
around to it.
Big Mistake.
This weekend I find that I have a fuel leak in one or two fuel hoses.
These are the infamous cotton braid-covered hoses, which are 'DIN' marked
and intended for automotive use.
However, the Europa-supplied 1" ID hoses for installing the fuel tank
outlets are also noticeably softened where these have been wetted by the
avgas leak.
You may wish to therefore check your own.""
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word
than....
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Europa Matronic circuit chaps .... any contributions to establishing the
whereabouts of teflon lined flexible fuel pipes would be greatly
appreciated.
>
> Hi! David, Yes I also understood 5 years but counting from when? the kit
is made up prior to sale, when it is sold, when it is fitted or when it is
first introduced to fuel mogas and /or avgas ?
> If I hadn't had to prat about with my engine it was to be done last
winter...... such is life ......or death!
> I think the stuff is a total abomination automobiles go for years and
years with rubber pipe connections without failures. The Jabiru piping is
seemingly more resilient, but I'd like to get onto this teflon stuff. I've
got a call out to Graham Singleton I'll announce any useful info.
> Regards
> Bob H G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Joyce
> To: Robert Harrison
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than....
>
>
> Bob, Sorry to hear about it, but I suppose better there than 1/2 way
between Norway & Shetlands. And there was I thinking that you had opted out
because it was a bit windy! - which it was - My landing wind at N.Weald
runway 20 was 260 19 kts, but there had been gusts of up to 26kts. On
getting back to Kemble my finals wind was 31kts, gusting 37, but fortunately
only 10deg off heading. Incidentally, your slot was full of any number of
other buggers who were either late or early as well as the several who
should have shared it with you. 120+ planes were expected but only 83 made
it.
> I have been giving hoses some thought for a while, and your
experience will hasten the decision to replace the lot, (which I understand
should be done every 5 yrs anyway. How old were yours? Have no idea where
to get Teflon lined hose, but would think it worth airing your experiences
and the question on the email net.
> Regards, David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Harrison
> To: David Joyce
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:50 AM
> Subject: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than....
>
>
> Hi! David.
> Not that my slot at North Weald caused you any delay !
> I'm looking for a more emphatic word than embarrassed!
> Major blockage of fuel lines from both main and reserve tanks to tap,
thought to be the inner lining to the fuel pipes degrading and strangling
the fuel supply. fortunately just passing RAF WYTON. !
> Mind you since I had a sign of a problem when I abhorted my first take
off from Wickenby I now know every harvested pea field and every "set
aside" brown field between Wickenby and Wyton !
> I blew back down each pipe to restore full flow only to have each
block up again twice on take off from the very long runway at Wyton (one
departure!)
> Needing to collect the a/c on Sunday in the trailer !
> If you have any unchanged fuel pipe on your bird I suggest you watch
out with bated breath!
> I managed to get my man there in a taxi for =A360 and he and his wife
picked me up on their way back !
> Watch this space!
> regards
> Bob H G-PTAG Grounded, have 'plane but won't come out to play.
> PS Do you know where I can get teflon lined flexible fuel pipe?
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| Subject: | Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word |
than....
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I've had success with clear polyurethane tubing in aft-of-firewall
locations.
It does however need more physical protection than other types. This can be
provided with spiral wrap. The wrap also helps prevent flattening of the
tube on "tight" bends.
Care is needed not to overtighten clamps on this type of tube, which can
otherwise tear under the sharp edges of over-applied clamping.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word
than....
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Europa Matronic circuit chaps .... any contributions to establishing the
whereabouts of teflon lined flexible fuel pipes would be greatly
appreciated.
>
> Hi! David, Yes I also understood 5 years but counting from when? the kit
is made up prior to sale, when it is sold, when it is fitted or when it is
first introduced to fuel mogas and /or avgas ?
> If I hadn't had to prat about with my engine it was to be done last
winter...... such is life ......or death!
> I think the stuff is a total abomination automobiles go for years and
years with rubber pipe connections without failures. The Jabiru piping is
seemingly more resilient, but I'd like to get onto this teflon stuff. I've
got a call out to Graham Singleton I'll announce any useful info.
> Regards
> Bob H G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Joyce
> To: Robert Harrison
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than....
>
>
> Bob, Sorry to hear about it, but I suppose better there than 1/2 way
between Norway & Shetlands. And there was I thinking that you had opted out
because it was a bit windy! - which it was - My landing wind at N.Weald
runway 20 was 260 19 kts, but there had been gusts of up to 26kts. On
getting back to Kemble my finals wind was 31kts, gusting 37, but fortunately
only 10deg off heading. Incidentally, your slot was full of any number of
other buggers who were either late or early as well as the several who
should have shared it with you. 120+ planes were expected but only 83 made
it.
> I have been giving hoses some thought for a while, and your
experience will hasten the decision to replace the lot, (which I understand
should be done every 5 yrs anyway. How old were yours? Have no idea where
to get Teflon lined hose, but would think it worth airing your experiences
and the question on the email net.
> Regards, David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Harrison
> To: David Joyce
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:50 AM
> Subject: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than....
>
>
> Hi! David.
> Not that my slot at North Weald caused you any delay !
> I'm looking for a more emphatic word than embarrassed!
> Major blockage of fuel lines from both main and reserve tanks to tap,
thought to be the inner lining to the fuel pipes degrading and strangling
the fuel supply. fortunately just passing RAF WYTON. !
> Mind you since I had a sign of a problem when I abhorted my first take
off from Wickenby I now know every harvested pea field and every "set
aside" brown field between Wickenby and Wyton !
> I blew back down each pipe to restore full flow only to have each
block up again twice on take off from the very long runway at Wyton (one
departure!)
> Needing to collect the a/c on Sunday in the trailer !
> If you have any unchanged fuel pipe on your bird I suggest you watch
out with bated breath!
> I managed to get my man there in a taxi for =A360 and he and his wife
picked me up on their way back !
> Watch this space!
> regards
> Bob H G-PTAG Grounded, have 'plane but won't come out to play.
> PS Do you know where I can get teflon lined flexible fuel pipe?
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Isle of Man 7th & 8th August |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi All
This is my first contribution to the forum as I've only just found it..!
Anyone interested in flying to the Isle of Man for the airshow or the
Bert Rutan talk then let me know as I live on the island and can help
with filing flight plans clearing customs (not too big a deal) or any
other local information. I can even provide hangarage for anyone
planning to stay overnight.
If enough interest is shown I will organise a BBQ or something.
Cheers
Alan Burrows
Tri-gear G-CBWF
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting the top, the final frontier |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers, John,
Much slower than you, but strolling ahead, I am now in your
positiuon of having to plan the last stages before the top goes on. I also
slid the top on and off 30 times and found as time goes on that the
discrepancy at the joggle you found increased. I then felt that having used
the dolly which leaves the tail area hanging out unsupported, had allowed
the tail to droop. I then re-sat the canoe into a rig which forced the tail
into the proper position vs. the cockpit area and found it had drooped over
1/2inch. When I added the top, things improved mightily - and I now have
about 1/4inch space at the joggle, which I am told is not unusual.
Perhaps I am faulty in this - if so, request correction, but
everything lines up well in my instance so am fairly confident of a smooth
installation. As an added fillip, I have used Paul's skit, via GraSing, of
putting 'splashes' over the bulkheads so that I don't have to squirm into
the bowels for the matching BiDs.
This too I hope will keep the tail higher than otherwise during curing.
Good luck to us both!
Ferg
A064
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fitting the top, the final frontier
| --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
|
| Greetings all,
|
| For quite some time now I've been working towards getting my top bonded
on.
| I've been trying to think of every conceivable task that needs done before
the
| top goes on in order to limit future time spent standing on my head. Just
| about the time I thought I had everything done, I'd think of a couple of
more
| things easier to do with the top off. Well, after about a month of head
| scratching, planning, thinking and diligent effort I believe I'm finally
ready for the
| canoe to look like an airplane. The problem is, I'm having trouble getting
the
| fuselage moldings to fit exactly right at the tail. I have about a 1/2"
gap at
| the joggle at the very aft end of the fuselage which tapers forward to no
gap
| and I suspect it is because I've not yet trimmed out the little triangle
| pieces left in place by the factory to strengthen the tail area. My theory
is that
| the triangle pieces are causing the upper molding to ride up on the lower
| molding and not allow it to drop into place, thus causing the gap at the
rear.
| The manual warns to not trim these little triangles out until ready to
bond, but
| I want to insure the fit is absolutely correct before mixing the green
stuff.
|
|
| So, those that have come before me, how weak is the tail after these are
cut
| out? I currently have my trigear up on it's gear and have been moving the
top
| from a set of saw horses to the bottom half, back and forth, as I tweak
the
| fit. Will this be a problem after the triangles are removed? Is the tail
sturdy
| enough to be moved by two people without damage? It looks to me like the
only
| way it could be damaged is by rotating it after the triangles are cut away
and
| not supporting the vertical fin.
|
| Regards,
|
| John Lawton
| Dunlap, TN
| A-245 (Happy 4th of July to those on this side of the pond)
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word |
than....
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com/) carries several products that you
may find suitable. Of particular interest might be "U-Build PTFE Hose
Assemblies with Stainless Steel Braided Covers" shown on page 204 of the
on-line catalog. PTFE, if you are not familiar, is polytetrafluoroethylene,
otherwise known as Teflon. Pre-made assemblies are also listed on the same
page.
McMaster also carries "SAE-Rated Fuel Inline Hose" (page 200) a somewhat
less exotic product that presumably serves us well in automotive fuel lines,
and is the product I installed in my (not yet flying) Europa XS. Custom
length assemblies from Parker are listed on the same page.
McMaster may be a very large industrial distributor but consumers with
credit cards are welcome to buy, and their on-line ordering is much more
efficient than most similar sites.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word
than....
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Europa Matronic circuit chaps .... any contributions to establishing the
whereabouts of teflon lined flexible fuel pipes would be greatly
appreciated.
Hi! David, Yes I also understood 5 years but counting from when? the kit is
made up prior to sale, when it is sold, when it is fitted or when it is
first introduced to fuel mogas and /or avgas ?
If I hadn't had to prat about with my engine it was to be done last
winter...... such is life ......or death!
I think the stuff is a total abomination automobiles go for years and years
with rubber pipe connections without failures. The Jabiru piping is
seemingly more resilient, but I'd like to get onto this teflon stuff. I've
got a call out to Graham Singleton I'll announce any useful info.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: David Joyce
To: Robert Harrison
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than....
Bob, Sorry to hear about it, but I suppose better there than 1/2 way
between Norway & Shetlands. And there was I thinking that you had opted out
because it was a bit windy! - which it was - My landing wind at N.Weald
runway 20 was 260 19 kts, but there had been gusts of up to 26kts. On
getting back to Kemble my finals wind was 31kts, gusting 37, but fortunately
only 10deg off heading. Incidentally, your slot was full of any number of
other buggers who were either late or early as well as the several who
should have shared it with you. 120+ planes were expected but only 83 made
it.
I have been giving hoses some thought for a while, and your
experience will hasten the decision to replace the lot, (which I understand
should be done every 5 yrs anyway. How old were yours? Have no idea where
to get Teflon lined hose, but would think it worth airing your experiences
and the question on the email net.
Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Harrison
To: David Joyce
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: Competition to supply me with a more emphatic word than....
Hi! David.
Not that my slot at North Weald caused you any delay !
I'm looking for a more emphatic word than embarrassed!
Major blockage of fuel lines from both main and reserve tanks to tap,
thought to be the inner lining to the fuel pipes degrading and strangling
the fuel supply. fortunately just passing RAF WYTON. !
Mind you since I had a sign of a problem when I abhorted my first take
off from Wickenby I now know every harvested pea field and every "set
aside" brown field between Wickenby and Wyton !
I blew back down each pipe to restore full flow only to have each block
up again twice on take off from the very long runway at Wyton (one
departure!)
Needing to collect the a/c on Sunday in the trailer !
If you have any unchanged fuel pipe on your bird I suggest you watch out
with bated breath!
I managed to get my man there in a taxi for =A360 and he and his wife
picked me up on their way back !
Watch this space!
regards
Bob H G-PTAG Grounded, have 'plane but won't come out to play.
PS Do you know where I can get teflon lined flexible fuel pipe?
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| Subject: | aileron closeout question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
So the area of the bolt that the rod end bearing will ride to drive the
aileron will be around 1mm different from one aileron compared to the other.
I really don't know if that is worth worrying about. Some math wiz type
person could calc it out?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Subject: RE: Europa-List: aileron closeout question
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
Actually, the top end of the bolt (the end that sticks
out farthest from the aileron) has the correct
distances. The bottom end is not. The bottom end is
about 1.2mm displaced from the top end due to the
tilt.
--- Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gte.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin
> Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> The distance from the bolt to the hinge pin needs to
> be the same on both
> ailerons so they deflect the same amount when
> installed. If one bolt has a
> small tilt to it, are they really both the same
> distance to the hinge pin?
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: aileron closeout question
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan
> <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
>
>
> During the closeout, the bolt placement turned out
> fine and the distance from the LE and hinge lip was
> almost exact. However, when I left it for curing, I
> had not noticed that the A2 plate was not exactly
> flat
> on the foam. One end of A2 is about 2 mm proud of
> the
> foam surface. I would not have noticed it except for
> the fact that the side flanges were a little
> transparent and you can see the A2 plate inside. I
> suspect the bolt has a small tilt too, although I
> can't see it with the eye. Any ideas what this is
> going to do to the aileron alignment?
>
>
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| Subject: | PFA Rally - Free Taxi Service - Get into the Rally for |
free
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Posted on behalf of Frank Mycroft - please contact him direct:
frankm@clara.net
###################
PFA Rally - Free Taxi Service - Get into the Rally for free
There is a notice about this in the Europa Flyer, but, for various reasons beyond
the control of David Watts, the Flyer is going out about a month later that
I had expected and the situation is now urgent if the Europa Club are not to
let the PFA down..
Last year, at very short notice, the Europa Club provided drivers for a very successful
Bus Service at the PFA Rally. However, although the weather was perfect
and the Rally was a great success as an event, financially it was not a success,
and all those involved have been asked to see where they can cut costs.
Hiring two buses was quite expensive, so I put out feelers to those who drove
last year about whether they would be prepared to use their own cars, being
re-imbursed only for fuel. The response was very positive so I have decided to
go ahead on that basis. Being a driver makes you a Rally Worker and you will
get into the Rally free.
I am therefore looking for more volunteer drivers prepared to use their own cars
to form a taxi rank from 4.30 to 6.30 on Friday and/or Saturday evenings, and
(and this is essential for the plan to work) to pick up the same people and
bring them back to the Rally the following morning. This means that drivers will
have to be staying on site or lodging in the vicinity to be able to do the
morning run.
This will be a FREE taxi service so for insurance purposes you will be driving
for pleasure, and it really is a pleasure to give a lift to grateful foreign flyers,
or others who have come a long way by air to the Rally. Many of you will
be flying in to the Rally, and I would not want to be the cause of reduced
numbers of Europas on display, but perhaps if you are flying in you can persuade
your better half to bring your car along so that you can have the best of both
worlds.
If you would like to help in this way please drop me an e-mail a.s.a.p at frankm@clara.net
telling me whether you will be able to do Friday evening + Saturday
morning or Saturday evening + Sunday morning, or even both. Let me know your
car registration and seating capacity, and also your home address, phone number
and mobile number. 7-seater vehicles will be preferred, but we may have to
work with some 5-seaters. I will reply quickly to your e-mail with further
information.
Frank Mycroft G-BWYD
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| Subject: | TUESDAY HAT DROP? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Is anyone up for a fly-in on Tuesday if I arrage it? Weather should be good!
Bryan Allsop
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/03/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 03/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
>GiddayTony
>I puzzled over the same question. I eventually ground a little grease
>groove around the inside of the tufnol bearing and installed a little
>tube with a Lur-Lock fitting on the end that fits the end of a syringe.
>I then injected a non petroleum based lubricant and can do so any time
>in the future. They are completely free now. (Three years later.) It
>seems to me that a way of getting something in there in the future is
>wise.
>Tom
I know of one early Classic that was stood for a couple of years. The
tufnol bearings went very stiff, I guess due to grease congealing, maybe
mixed with dust/dirt. They were freed by cleaning with LPS type stuff, WD40
would have worked but I don't think its as good as LPS.. It would have been
a lot easier if an injection method had been incorporated from the beginning
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
I do not remember the manual saying anything about lubrication and the
movements as so small that I did not think it necessary. Hence mine has no
lubrication.
Do not archive.
J R (Bob) Gowing UK kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: <beecho@beecho.org>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
> GiddayTony
> I puzzled over the same question. I eventually ground a little grease
> groove around the inside of the tufnol bearing and installed a little
> tube with a Lur-Lock fitting on the end that fits the end of a syringe.
> I then injected a non petroleum based lubricant and can do so any time
> in the future. They are completely free now. (Three years later.) It
> seems to me that a way of getting something in there in the future is
> wise.
> Tom XS mono Jab Airmaster TruTrak N96V California
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> Renshaw
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> --> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> Over the years there has been an ongoing thread regarding the lubricants
> of
> choice for the tufnol bearings. I am just about to install my module and
>
> recognise now is the right time to apply a lubricant. My controls are
> relatively loose anyway, except for a small binding at "full left
> aileron".
> I understand hydrocarbon based lubricants are not ideal, but I don't
> know
> why. I think it has something to do with the potential swelling of the
> tufnol, but I am not certain. So, people talk about synthetic oils etc,
> silicone based or non-silicone. Now I know silicone near a surface to be
>
> bonded is "Bad", but I do not intend on bonding anywhere near my
> bearings !! So, can someone please tell me more about these lubricant
> options. I
> believe some of the pushbike lubricants may well be good, but am
> floundering a little on a lack of knowledge.
> Thanks in anticipation
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&na
> me=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18
> ac84fe3f85a704b
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Am I missing something here or am I seeing things too simple.
Onto that bolt goes a rod bearing, so angle won't be a problem. And that rod
bearing attached to a short drive arm that is also adjustable. You make both
ailerons that same using that adjustment. So what's the problem?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear being assembled
now.
Waiting seventeen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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| Subject: | aileron closeout question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
If the distance from the bolt (and bearing) to the hinge pin is not the same
on both ailerons, they will deflect different amounts, even though they are
perfectly equal at neutral. Its one of those lever arm math kind of things
that a mechanical engineer could, unlike me, explain well. Imagine if the
two were way different and you'll probably see it.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: aileron closeout question
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Am I missing something here or am I seeing things too simple.
Onto that bolt goes a rod bearing, so angle won't be a problem. And that rod
bearing attached to a short drive arm that is also adjustable. You make both
ailerons that same using that adjustment. So what's the problem?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear being assembled
now.
Waiting seventeen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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| Subject: | Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Thanks Bob,
But I have a small additional force required to get my aileron out of full
lock to the left. So, it seems however that once the wings are on that the
aileron throw itself will limit the movement and bring it away from this
area that catches, so in the aircraft all may be ok. Part of me wants to
try and free up this binding anyway, but its not much pressure to overcome
really anyway. Info/thoughts appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 05:59 PM 7/4/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
>
>I do not remember the manual saying anything about lubrication and the
>movements as so small that I did not think it necessary. Hence mine has no
>lubrication.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>J R (Bob) Gowing UK kit 327 in Oz
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <beecho@beecho.org>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
> >
> > GiddayTony
> > I puzzled over the same question. I eventually ground a little grease
> > groove around the inside of the tufnol bearing and installed a little
> > tube with a Lur-Lock fitting on the end that fits the end of a syringe.
> > I then injected a non petroleum based lubricant and can do so any time
> > in the future. They are completely free now. (Three years later.) It
> > seems to me that a way of getting something in there in the future is
> > wise.
> > Tom XS mono Jab Airmaster TruTrak N96V California
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> > Renshaw
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> > --> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > Gidday,
> > Over the years there has been an ongoing thread regarding the lubricants
> > of
> > choice for the tufnol bearings. I am just about to install my module and
> >
> > recognise now is the right time to apply a lubricant. My controls are
> > relatively loose anyway, except for a small binding at "full left
> > aileron".
> > I understand hydrocarbon based lubricants are not ideal, but I don't
> > know
> > why. I think it has something to do with the potential swelling of the
> > tufnol, but I am not certain. So, people talk about synthetic oils etc,
> > silicone based or non-silicone. Now I know silicone near a surface to be
> >
> > bonded is "Bad", but I do not intend on bonding anywhere near my
> > bearings !! So, can someone please tell me more about these lubricant
> > options. I
> > believe some of the pushbike lubricants may well be good, but am
> > floundering a little on a lack of knowledge.
> > Thanks in anticipation
> >
> > Reg
> > Tony Renshaw
> > Sydney Australia
> >
> > Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> > Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> > Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> > Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> > Roof Panel between doors completed.
> > Photos at:
> > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&na
> > me=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18
> > ac84fe3f85a704b
> > Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> > Instrumentation: Undecided
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Carbon Bracing of fuel tank??? |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony R" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Could those interested please take a look at the linked photo which displays a
potential setup I may use to reinforce my fuel tank. The concept is to alleviate
some of the forces that are on the 2 existing brackets that supports the tank,
which whilst large, act when loaded in a fashion I would think is unfavourable
strengthwise. I have often thought to fill the void beneath my tank with
something that transfers the weight of the tank onto the fuselage beneath, and
I haven't given up on this idea. You will note in the attached photo my use of
carbon tape to maintain the ideal dimension for the setup. This inspired me
to wonder if I could use it across the tank, and up onto the sides of the module,
ensuring it didn't interfere with the mating of the sides of the module with
any rebates in the glasswork of the boat. So, does anyone think this could
be a substitute for my trying to transfer the weight of the fuel onto the fuselage
below the tank, or should I either persist with
a "gap filler" beneath the tank, or lastly no doubt some/all will say " do nothing"
. In anticipation.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
OK, I understand why they will deflect by different
amounts. What I don't understand is what significant
effect this will have on flight performance. Sure,
this will cause some asymmetry in lift during a roll,
but there are already many factors that are asymmetric
during a roll (such as drag, which causes adverse
yaw), so my guess is that a small asymmetry in the
aileron deflection will have very minimal effect on
flight performance. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Having said that, because I am anal about perfection,
I decided to fix the problem. I ground out the fiber
glass over the A2 plate, used a heat gun to remove the
plate and floxed it in again in the correct position.
--- Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gte.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin
> Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> If the distance from the bolt (and bearing) to the
> hinge pin is not the same
> on both ailerons, they will deflect different
> amounts, even though they are
> perfectly equal at neutral. Its one of those lever
> arm math kind of things
> that a mechanical engineer could, unlike me, explain
> well. Imagine if the
> two were way different and you'll probably see it.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of
> DuaneFamly@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: aileron closeout question
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
> DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Am I missing something here or am I seeing things
> too simple.
>
> Onto that bolt goes a rod bearing, so angle won't be
> a problem. And that rod
> bearing attached to a short drive arm that is also
> adjustable. You make both
> ailerons that same using that adjustment. So what's
> the problem?
>
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel
> complete. Wing pins and
> tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay.
> Conventional gear being assembled
> now.
> Waiting seventeen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator
> to ship.
>
>
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