Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:20 AM - Re: aileron closeout question (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 12:35 AM - Re: Tony K's website (Tony Krzyzewski)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: TUESDAY HAT DROP? (RICHARD IDDON)
4. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/03/04 (Rocketman)
5. 11:01 AM - Re: TUESDAY HAT DROP? (bryan allsop)
6. 01:28 PM - Re: Carbon Bracing of fuel tank??? (Ami McFadyean)
7. 02:21 PM - PTFE fuel lines (Graham Singleton)
8. 02:22 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 07/04/04 (Graham Singleton)
9. 02:46 PM - Re: TUESDAY HAT DROP-FISHBURN (bryan allsop)
10. 02:46 PM - Re: aileron closeout question (Rowland Carson)
11. 04:22 PM - Re: Tony K's website (Tony Krzyzewski)
12. 08:19 PM - Re: aileron closeout question (Tony Renshaw)
13. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) (Timothy.P.Ward)
14. 11:07 PM - WAS Re: TUESDAY HAT DROP? Now fuel "finger" stariner RANT ! (R.C.Harrison)
15. 11:32 PM - Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) (R.C.Harrison)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | aileron closeout question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Andrew Sarangan wrote:-
> OK, I understand why they will deflect by different
> amounts. What I don't understand is what significant
> effect this will have on flight performance. . . . .
> I am anal about perfection
Andrew,
I imagine if the differential movement of the ailerons was not the same
in each direction of turn, it would be more likely to detract from the
handling qualities rather than performance.
In a worst case scenario, I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if for example,
you had to apply considerable rudder to turn in one direction and little
or none to turn in the opposite direction.
As you are no doubt aware, the Europa is a delightful aircraft to handle
and to be consistent with your anal desire, I'm sure you would rather
have the ailerons working correctly which is born out by your already
redoing the setting of the A2 plate etc. I'm sure you won't be
disappointed says I who recently reset his tailplane torque tube because
it wasn't quite right !
Cheers
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz. Building progressing at a snail's pace lately
owing to having to spend too many weekends away from home lately. Yes
another one again next weekend. Talk about frustrating especially with
everybody saying, 'when are you going to have that aeroplane finished ?'
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Tony K's website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
I'm not missing in action but it looks like the website is!! I'll get it up and
running as soon as possible.
Tony
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | TUESDAY HAT DROP? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Bryan,
Could be. I will have to see if I can rearrange a few things. Where do
you fancy?
Richard Iddon
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
allsop
Subject: Europa-List: TUESDAY HAT DROP?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Is anyone up for a fly-in on Tuesday if I arrage it? Weather should be
good!
Bryan Allsop
==
==
==
==
on
==
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/03/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Graham Singleton wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
>At 23:56 03/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>>Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>>
>>GiddayTony
>>I puzzled over the same question. I eventually ground a little grease
>>groove around the inside of the tufnol bearing and installed a little
>>tube with a Lur-Lock fitting on the end that fits the end of a syringe.
>>I then injected a non petroleum based lubricant and can do so any time
>>in the future. They are completely free now. (Three years later.) It
>>seems to me that a way of getting something in there in the future is
>>wise.
>>Tom
>>
>>
>
>I know of one early Classic that was stood for a couple of years. The
>tufnol bearings went very stiff, I guess due to grease congealing, maybe
>mixed with dust/dirt. They were freed by cleaning with LPS type stuff, WD40
>would have worked but I don't think its as good as LPS.. It would have been
>a lot easier if an injection method had been incorporated from the beginning
>Graham
>
>
>
>
WD 40 leaves a hard film, almost plastic like, when it dries. Best to
avoid it for lubrication. There are some silicon fuser lubes, out
there, that work well...
--
Rocketman -
RM Holsters: http://www.rmholsters.com
FAL Gal Concealment Goods: http://www.falgal.com
Ballistic Review: http://www.ballisticreview.com
Aircraft Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: TUESDAY HAT DROP? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
The choice for me is Fishburn near Teeside which has no food available, And
Stapleford near the M25 which has excellent bacon butty facilities. It could
be a bit far for you Richard, but ok for David and others.
My Pilot mag has not turned up, but if there are better alternatives in
there I will accept and pay the fee.Otherwise mid day at Stapleford should
do it. I will confirm it later following any responses.
Cheers Bryan
PS. Does that Harrison feller still fly?
----- Original Message -----
From: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: TUESDAY HAT DROP?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> Bryan,
>
> Could be. I will have to see if I can rearrange a few things. Where do
> you fancy?
>
> Richard Iddon
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
> allsop
> To: europa club mail
> Subject: Europa-List: TUESDAY HAT DROP?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
> <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> Is anyone up for a fly-in on Tuesday if I arrage it? Weather should be
> good!
>
> Bryan Allsop
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> on
> ==
>
>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carbon Bracing of fuel tank??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
A gap filler under the tank will result both in the underside of the fus.
bulging under any significant load and in stressing the fus. in a manner not
previously considered.
I had thought of doing what you suggest too, but using a webbing strap not
carbon. But then thought better of it on the basis that no-one has yet
reported a problem with the existing arrangement; no matter how improbable
it looks.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony R" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Carbon Bracing of fuel tank???
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony R" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> Could those interested please take a look at the linked photo which
displays a potential setup I may use to reinforce my fuel tank. The concept
is to alleviate some of the forces that are on the 2 existing brackets that
supports the tank, which whilst large, act when loaded in a fashion I would
think is unfavourable strengthwise. I have often thought to fill the void
beneath my tank with something that transfers the weight of the tank onto
the fuselage beneath, and I haven't given up on this idea. You will note in
the attached photo my use of carbon tape to maintain the ideal dimension for
the setup. This inspired me to wonder if I could use it across the tank, and
up onto the sides of the module, ensuring it didn't interfere with the
mating of the sides of the module with any rebates in the glasswork of the
boat. So, does anyone think this could be a substitute for my trying to
transfer the weight of the fuel onto the fuselage below the tank, or should
I either persist with
> a "gap filler" beneath the tank, or lastly no doubt some/all will say "
do nothing" . In anticipation.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
>
> ----------------
> This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewtopic.php?p=659#659
>
> ----------------
> Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
>
>
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 04/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com/) carries several products that you
>may find suitable. Of particular interest might be "U-Build PTFE Hose
>Assemblies with Stainless Steel Braided Covers" shown on page 204 of the
>on-line catalog. PTFE, if you are not familiar, is polytetrafluoroethylene,
>otherwise known as Teflon. Pre-made assemblies are also listed on the same
>page.
The best flexible hose I know about is the teflon lined S Steel braided
stuff. Aeroquip, Earle's Goodrich all do it. It is necessary to use AN
fittings on the ends, I think worm drive clips would tend to loosen with
age and be unreliable. Best termination (IMHO) is crimped AN with aluminium
end fittings. Steel fittings are readily available but heavy and clumsy.
Wilksch Airmotive are starting to stock this stuff for their diesel
installations and I would think could be persuaded to make up hoses for us,
probably at a reasonable price. I will give Mark a nudge next time we speak
so it might be worth asking next week after Kemble. I know he is highly
occupied right now. (Hoping to fly the Wilksch Europa in against a gale of
resistance from a certain PFA person. (Not FD)
Graham
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 07/04/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 04/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>aileron closeout question
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
>Am I missing something here or am I seeing things too simple.
>
>Onto that bolt goes a rod bearing, so angle won't be a problem. And that rod
>bearing attached to a short drive arm that is also adjustable. You make both
>ailerons that same using that adjustment. So what's the problem?
>
>
>Mike Duane A207
It is the radius of the hinge to aileron drive bolt that is critical. Only
problem if it isn't equal , one aileron will move a different amount to the
other. Airplane will still fly but not quite as sweet as it might.
Graham
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: TUESDAY HAT DROP-FISHBURN |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
It looks like you and me then at Fishburn. bring your own flask and
sandwiches. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Mid dayish. Everybody
welcome!
Is Duncan suggesting that Mr Harrison's engine is not quite perfect
afterall?
Cheers Bryan Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: TUESDAY HAT DROP?
> Bryan.
>
> Could make it to Fishburn but I need to be back at B.pool mid afternoon
> for an appointment so I don't think I can make it to Stapleford & back.
>
> Regards.
>
> Richard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
> allsop
> Sent: 05 July 2004 07:03
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: TUESDAY HAT DROP?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
> <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> The choice for me is Fishburn near Teeside which has no food available,
> And
> Stapleford near the M25 which has excellent bacon butty facilities. It
> could
> be a bit far for you Richard, but ok for David and others.
> My Pilot mag has not turned up, but if there are better alternatives in
> there I will accept and pay the fee.Otherwise mid day at Stapleford
> should
> do it. I will confirm it later following any responses.
>
> Cheers Bryan
>
>
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: aileron closeout question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-07-04 06:52 -0700 Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>the A2 plate was not exactly flat
>on the foam
Andrew - My own rather long-winded approach to the drive bolt
alignment question can be seen on my build log website at
<http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/> - you can easily find it via
the list of pictures, and go from there into the text if you want
more detail.
BUT, I suspect that the alignment of the drive bolt may be of less
significance than the potential weakness arising from the various
layers of BID not being in intimate contact. The question that I'd
want answered before flying with that closeout is "Are all BID layers
in good glass-to-glass contact with adjacent layers, and with the XA2
plate?". If the whole layup is as intended, and the only airspace is
between the inner BID and the foam face, I'd be inclined not to worry
(personal opinion expressed here!). However, if there is airspace
between BID layers or between BID & ali plate, I'd feel much happier
taking it apart and re-doing it. Injecting resin into apparent
bubbles will not add strength! You may need to get the help & advice
of a experienced glass worker on all this, particularly if you feel
the need to do a repair. A glider repair person would the the ideal
consultant.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Tony K's website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
All fixed now!
Tony
Do not archive
============================================
Tony S Krzyzewski Managing Director
Ph +64 9 274 1590 Kaon Technologies Ltd
Fx +64 9 274 1593 PO Box 58521
Cell 021 921 988 Greenmount
tonyk@kaon.co.nz Auckland NZ
============================================
============================================
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | aileron closeout question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Kingsley,
Do you have an opinion on this please?
Reg
Tony R.
At 04:52 PM 7/5/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
>
>Andrew Sarangan wrote:-
>
> > OK, I understand why they will deflect by different
> > amounts. What I don't understand is what significant
> > effect this will have on flight performance. . . . .
> > I am anal about perfection
>
>Andrew,
>
>I imagine if the differential movement of the ailerons was not the same
>in each direction of turn, it would be more likely to detract from the
>handling qualities rather than performance.
>
>In a worst case scenario, I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if for example,
>you had to apply considerable rudder to turn in one direction and little
>or none to turn in the opposite direction.
>
>As you are no doubt aware, the Europa is a delightful aircraft to handle
>and to be consistent with your anal desire, I'm sure you would rather
>have the ailerons working correctly which is born out by your already
>redoing the setting of the A2 plate etc. I'm sure you won't be
>disappointed says I who recently reset his tailplane torque tube because
>it wasn't quite right !
>
>Cheers
>
>Kingsley Hurst
>Mono Classic 281 in Oz. Building progressing at a snail's pace lately
>owing to having to spend too many weekends away from home lately. Yes
>another one again next weekend. Talk about frustrating especially with
>everybody saying, 'when are you going to have that aeroplane finished ?'
>
>
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Timothy.P.Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Tony,
Full movement of the aileron from side to side is impossible due to ones legs being
in the way!!
Cheers,
Tim
>
> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> Date: 2004/07/05 Mon PM 03:08:49 GMT+12:00
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Thanks Bob,
> But I have a small additional force required to get my aileron out of full
> lock to the left. So, it seems however that once the wings are on that the
> aileron throw itself will limit the movement and bring it away from this
> area that catches, so in the aircraft all may be ok. Part of me wants to
> try and free up this binding anyway, but its not much pressure to overcome
> really anyway. Info/thoughts appreciated.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
> At 05:59 PM 7/4/2004, you wrote:
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
> >
> >I do not remember the manual saying anything about lubrication and the
> >movements as so small that I did not think it necessary. Hence mine has no
> >lubrication.
> >
> >Do not archive.
> >
> >J R (Bob) Gowing UK kit 327 in Oz
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <beecho@beecho.org>
> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
> > >
> > > GiddayTony
> > > I puzzled over the same question. I eventually ground a little grease
> > > groove around the inside of the tufnol bearing and installed a little
> > > tube with a Lur-Lock fitting on the end that fits the end of a syringe.
> > > I then injected a non petroleum based lubricant and can do so any time
> > > in the future. They are completely free now. (Three years later.) It
> > > seems to me that a way of getting something in there in the future is
> > > wise.
> > > Tom XS mono Jab Airmaster TruTrak N96V California
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> > > Renshaw
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> > > --> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> > >
> > > Gidday,
> > > Over the years there has been an ongoing thread regarding the lubricants
> > > of
> > > choice for the tufnol bearings. I am just about to install my module and
> > >
> > > recognise now is the right time to apply a lubricant. My controls are
> > > relatively loose anyway, except for a small binding at "full left
> > > aileron".
> > > I understand hydrocarbon based lubricants are not ideal, but I don't
> > > know
> > > why. I think it has something to do with the potential swelling of the
> > > tufnol, but I am not certain. So, people talk about synthetic oils etc,
> > > silicone based or non-silicone. Now I know silicone near a surface to be
> > >
> > > bonded is "Bad", but I do not intend on bonding anywhere near my
> > > bearings !! So, can someone please tell me more about these lubricant
> > > options. I
> > > believe some of the pushbike lubricants may well be good, but am
> > > floundering a little on a lack of knowledge.
> > > Thanks in anticipation
> > >
> > > Reg
> > > Tony Renshaw
> > > Sydney Australia
> > >
> > > Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> > > Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> > > Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> > > Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> > > Roof Panel between doors completed.
> > > Photos at:
> > > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&na
> > > me=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18
> > > ac84fe3f85a704b
> > > Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> > > Instrumentation: Undecided
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: TUESDAY HAT DROP? Now fuel "finger" stariner RANT |
!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Bryan.(and Tony Edge!)
Yes, the "harrison fella" does still fly except when he's looking for
"precautionary " landings !(this word precautionary is really an
understatement in that it really only applied to the time to decide which
airfield to land at from a point between RAF ALCONBURY (closed) and RAF
WYTON with an engine off or occasionally springing to life! Look at the map
and see how close they are ! If it has to happen I defy you to find a better
place? OR A MORE HOSPITABLE PLACE with a certain Squadron Leader Tony Edge
happening to be in the RAF WYTON FLYING CLUB HANGER (working on his 15 year
Plans built Jodel) deserving of mention since he contacted a taxi company to
get my passenger to his destination (the 60 I was delighted to pay the
driver) then gave me access to the hanger, made the tea and fixed overnight
parking , fixed security passes for Sunday collection of the plane on
trailer, and gave me a lift to the A14 for my erstwhile aged passenger and
his wife enroute home from Project Propeller Event to take me home the rest
of the way !
I'm currently in the middle of tank clean out (or as best of a bad job that
can be done in that respect with no access through which to "mop" out......
there must be a case for putting the access hole in the tank top between the
seat back tops as in the fitment of the "avalec" fuel gauge even if you
don't fit the gauge? )
I previously reported that I thought the rubber pipes had deteriorated but
that's NOT NOW THE CASE .
It probably transpires that what I thought was a meticulously clean method
of decanting all fuel put into the tank by hand from a clear plastic jug
wasn't contaminant free.
It seems IMHO that the water drain mod.with the tank "finger" strainers just
could be the making of my fuel starvation problem!
In my case a minimal amount of lint fibres and dog hairs! got to congregate
near the exit end of the strainer gauze which in
turn catches all minute debris until ultimately it strangles the supply to
the fuel tap, the remaining three inches of "finger" filter gauze appear to
be a "waste of space" .
Also, as I predicted some time ago , WHEN THE MAIN TANK SUPPLY CLOGS UP
DON'T EXPECT THE RESERVE TO BE LONG AFTER WHEN THE RECIRCULATION SYSTEM IS
CONNECTED TO THE RESERVE WATER DRAIN SIDE. (since of course with the
reserve side being constantly filtered by recirculation and actually always
being filled first and over flowing to the main side it is more likely to
have more "crap" in it than the main tank supply!)
Don't argue about this statement I have the experience to know!
If you study the water drain mod. connectors you will probably find that
with the arrangement of the main exit hole being drilled offset (or to the
top of the parent connector) the shape of the exit hole isn't round and
that's before you insert the gauze and redux it into place. The gauze acts
as the main "crap" collector near to the hole round the annulus caused by
the water pick up pipe passing through the middle and "presto" you have a
blockage even with a minimal amount of contaminant in the first place.
There is no doubt in my mind that without the blessed "finger" strainers my
andair filter would have separated out all the crap (in this case) from BOTH
sides of the tank TOGETHER and still would been supplying adequate fuel to
sustain the engine on full power. Notwithstanding the andair filter was
checked and cleaned out countless times in the last 500 hours!
The purpose of the "finger" strainers is to catch large contaminant such as
flakes of paint .....and leafs! and still leave it's central core clear to
supply fuel, this is fine but they also catch the small stuff in the annulus
close to the exit hole and dangle it as a plug near to the hole. This now
is tempting me to say remove the gauze but retain the water drain pipe.
Literally you pay your money and take your chance( or put all your fuel
through a chamois leather as you fill up each time!)
Would anyone who is building a trike establish exactly where any water will
sit in the tank bottom with the plane on level ground, please?
To get my connectors out of the installed tank I have caused some
considerable bending of gauze and water pick up pipes resulting in needing
to shorten the pick up pipes to get them back in, so they no longer reach
the back lower corner of the tank.( which I'm hoping will still collect any
water from the tank bottom when in TRIKE mode as opposed to tail dragger
mode?)
I would appreciate a prompt response to this question so I can perhaps get
to the Rally for Friday .
Sorry about my Hat Droppers event attendance failures.
Just a small observation .... my mission on Saturday was to take a World War
II and Battle of Britain Spitfire Pilot currently 86 years young and having
had umpteen heart attacks with a pacemaker to the Project Propeller Charity
Flight Experience Event at North Weald. So the guy survived the war many
heart attacks but nearly " bought it" with me in my plane. He says "it's an
experience he won't forget"! Hence my search for a more emphatic word than
"embarrassed"!
Finally I must publicly thank Tony Edge for his admirable assistance to a
fellow flyer in adversity who I hope will extend my apologies to his wife
and family for taking up more of his Saturday stand down time than she would
have thought was genuinely in the interests of his Jodel !
Tony .......if you get to read this "rant" (some of which will not be
entirely to your understanding) the Scottish Picture web page I mentioned is
:- http://www.alanmoar.flyer.co.uk
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (currently grounded)
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: TUESDAY HAT DROP?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> The choice for me is Fishburn near Teeside which has no food available,
And
> Stapleford near the M25 which has excellent bacon butty facilities. It
could
> be a bit far for you Richard, but ok for David and others.
> My Pilot mag has not turned up, but if there are better alternatives in
> there I will accept and pay the fee.Otherwise mid day at Stapleford should
> do it. I will confirm it later following any responses.
>
> Cheers Bryan
> PS. Does that Harrison feller still fly?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RICHARD IDDON" <riddon@btinternet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: TUESDAY HAT DROP?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "RICHARD IDDON"
<riddon@btinternet.com>
> >
> > Bryan,
> >
> > Could be. I will have to see if I can rearrange a few things. Where do
> > you fancy?
> >
> > Richard Iddon
> >
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Tony /all
I drilled a hole into each tufnol bearing position to receive an aerosol
delivery squirt pipe (in my case I needed to flush out Brasso which I used
to free off a slight over tightness of the control columns.) I can now
lubricate from an aerosol can of LUBESERV Super Fluid Lube Plus synthetic
food machinery lubricant or similar with PTFE in more arduous use places.
The products are clear and clean and in 4 years haven't to my knowlege had
any detremental effect on the tufnol bearings. It can also be flushed out
using aerosol brake cleaning fluid. They contain no Hydrocarbons are a
corrosion protection as well as a lubricant which is compatible with all
other greases and oils.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Thanks Bob,
> But I have a small additional force required to get my aileron out of full
> lock to the left. So, it seems however that once the wings are on that the
> aileron throw itself will limit the movement and bring it away from this
> area that catches, so in the aircraft all may be ok. Part of me wants to
> try and free up this binding anyway, but its not much pressure to overcome
> really anyway. Info/thoughts appreciated.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
> At 05:59 PM 7/4/2004, you wrote:
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing"
<gowingjr@acr.net.au>
> >
> >I do not remember the manual saying anything about lubrication and the
> >movements as so small that I did not think it necessary. Hence mine has
no
> >lubrication.
> >
> >Do not archive.
> >
> >J R (Bob) Gowing UK kit 327 in Oz
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <beecho@beecho.org>
> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
> > >
> > > GiddayTony
> > > I puzzled over the same question. I eventually ground a little grease
> > > groove around the inside of the tufnol bearing and installed a little
> > > tube with a Lur-Lock fitting on the end that fits the end of a
syringe.
> > > I then injected a non petroleum based lubricant and can do so any time
> > > in the future. They are completely free now. (Three years later.)
It
> > > seems to me that a way of getting something in there in the future is
> > > wise.
> > > Tom XS mono Jab Airmaster TruTrak N96V California
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> > > Renshaw
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Tufnol Lubricants (the definitive answer)
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> > > --> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> > >
> > > Gidday,
> > > Over the years there has been an ongoing thread regarding the
lubricants
> > > of
> > > choice for the tufnol bearings. I am just about to install my module
and
> > >
> > > recognise now is the right time to apply a lubricant. My controls are
> > > relatively loose anyway, except for a small binding at "full left
> > > aileron".
> > > I understand hydrocarbon based lubricants are not ideal, but I don't
> > > know
> > > why. I think it has something to do with the potential swelling of the
> > > tufnol, but I am not certain. So, people talk about synthetic oils
etc,
> > > silicone based or non-silicone. Now I know silicone near a surface to
be
> > >
> > > bonded is "Bad", but I do not intend on bonding anywhere near my
> > > bearings !! So, can someone please tell me more about these lubricant
> > > options. I
> > > believe some of the pushbike lubricants may well be good, but am
> > > floundering a little on a lack of knowledge.
> > > Thanks in anticipation
> > >
> > > Reg
> > > Tony Renshaw
> > > Sydney Australia
> > >
> > > Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> > > Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> > > Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> > > Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> > > Roof Panel between doors completed.
> > > Photos at:
> > >
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&na
> > >
me=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18
> > > ac84fe3f85a704b
> > > Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|