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1. 05:14 AM - Re: us office (Paul McAllister)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: us office (Paul McAllister)
3. 05:49 AM - Re: BID (Roger Anderson)
4. 01:19 PM - door fitting (Danny Shepherd)
5. 02:28 PM - new source for trailers (Paul Boulet)
6. 03:50 PM - US office & Oshkosh Plans (Europa Aircraft)
7. 04:41 PM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (Bob Jacobsen)
8. 04:41 PM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans ()
9. 04:42 PM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (Rocketman)
10. 05:02 PM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (Garry Stout)
11. 05:54 PM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (Paul Boulet)
12. 07:38 PM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (SteveD)
13. 07:52 PM - Re: new source for trailers (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
14. 08:47 PM - Re: new source for trailers ()
15. 08:51 PM - Re: new source for trailers (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
16. 09:09 PM - Re: new source for trailers (Kevin Klinefelter)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Rowland,
Could I beg a favour. Over the past few years I have become good friends
with Andy and Neville and I would like to keep in contact. Would you say hi
for me and ask them for their personal contact details.
Thanks, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Gerry,
Sad news, and probably just plan poor management of an otherwise sound
company. Could I beg a favour. Over the past few years I have become good
friends with Andy and Neville and I would like to keep in contact. Would
you say hi for me and ask them for their personal contact details.
Thanks, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
Paul,
Sky Craft at Spalding, Lincs. sell glass cloth. Tel. 01406 371779
Roger. (G-BXTD)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stewart" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Europa-List: BID
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Can anyone suggest a supplier of BID in the UK - I've given up on the
> factory.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Danny Shepherd" <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Hi All,
Just started fitting the doors, everything seems strait forward
until on page 35-2 it shows a plywood insert on the fuselage side of the
hinge. like an plonker I presumed these were already fitted. (wrong) can
anyone tell me where about in the good book the fitting of these plywood
inserts is shown? If not I presume it's a case of floxing in the ply and
covering with four ply's of bid. The gap from the bottom of the hinge to the
fuselage at the front is 8mm and at the back 4mm.
Cheers Danny
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| Subject: | new source for trailers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I have a trailer builder in the Southwest willing to make a trailer similar to
the Europa model for the Monowheel. Price is $1,750 each. They are built to
order, require a 50% deposit and take 6 weeks. Let me know if there's any interest
or if you want to see mine when it's delivered 6 weeks from now. Good flyin'
Paul Boulet, N914PB
Malibu, CA
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| Subject: | US office & Oshkosh Plans |
1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
I can't say what is happening in the UK, as I only have responsibility for
managing their US office.
As far as the US office goes, we are scaling back here quite a bit for now.
As of July 15 the office will be available on a part time basis only. This
is due in part to the fact that the US dollar has not been worth much
against the UK pound for quite some time. Though the company initially felt
it prudent to sell kits at a loss in the US to stay in the market, the
exchange rate continues to be unfavorable longer than expected. Though I
will miss being here full time, I do feel that this is a positive step for
the company to reorganize, focusing it's assets where they are needed most
on new developments & better parts stores.
We will also be selling our two US demonstrators. However, we are currently
planning to keep our hanger & office at the Lakeland Florida airport.
I will continue to remain on a part time, volunteer basis to support our
existing builders.
The company president, and managing director, Keith Wilson, also informs me
that he is very committed to supporting our existing US builders, and
delivering any backordered parts to US builders.
I was also informed that the company has future plans for the US, and
Canada, possibly to include the upcoming Sport Plane category in the US, and
the existing Advanced Ultralight category in Canada.
Finally, the UK has just informed me that we will not be attending the
fly-in at Oshkosh this year. I do still hope that many of you fly-in with
your Europa as planned however. The reserved area will still be available.
Happy Building & Flying!
John L. Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
tom@tompaul.com
Subject: Europa-List: us office
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
I heard today that the europa office is going to adopt a part-time
schedule of weekends, due to lack of revenue. This is quite unsettling
news. While i know there is a strong community of europaphiles out
there (here), to have a plane become an orphan when it is only half
finished is not a nice feeling. How's it going in the UK?
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| Subject: | US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Hello all,
First thank you John for the e-mail letting us U.S. builders know what is
going on. I know that John has been doing an excellent job of mainaining
support here even when he is getting none from the U.K.
By keeping the office open on the weekends at NO PAY I personally think he
is going above and beyond and I hope people who are waiting for parts and
planes realize that the current problems are not Johns fault. Lets be
helpful to him and I am sure he will help us all back.
I personally feel that the failures at Europa now (and this is MY OPINION)
can only be laid at the feet of management. The product is just too good to
go away. The tooling is done the flight testing and hundreds of flying
planes are a testement to the design and engineering. I hope that if the
current management can't get its act together they will consider selling it
to someone who can.
As to the Oskosh plans, there are some changes as Europa will not be there.
This means no factory sponsered get togethers. I will update the europa-usa
website tomorrow to reflect this and keep the list of who is going current.
Send me e-mails if there are changes in your plans.
Thanks for letting me spout.
Bob Jacobsen
N165BB
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| Subject: | US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
John (and Patti)
You have been great and most supportive. I am sure you are going to get
many thankyous and wish you well messages. I am hoping that whatever
kind of reorganization occurs that you are part of it and in a stronger
role.
Because of the ? status of the Europa organization I found a builder to
make me a trailer and have ordered one.
Are there any long wings available? If so, I would be tempted to grab
them up!
Tom Friedland A079
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europa
Aircraft
Subject: Europa-List: US office & Oshkosh Plans
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
I can't say what is happening in the UK, as I only have responsibility
for managing their US office.
As far as the US office goes, we are scaling back here quite a bit for
now. As of July 15 the office will be available on a part time basis
only. This is due in part to the fact that the US dollar has not been
worth much against the UK pound for quite some time. Though the company
initially felt it prudent to sell kits at a loss in the US to stay in
the market, the exchange rate continues to be unfavorable longer than
expected. Though I will miss being here full time, I do feel that this
is a positive step for the company to reorganize, focusing it's assets
where they are needed most on new developments & better parts stores.
We will also be selling our two US demonstrators. However, we are
currently planning to keep our hanger & office at the Lakeland Florida
airport.
I will continue to remain on a part time, volunteer basis to support our
existing builders.
The company president, and managing director, Keith Wilson, also informs
me that he is very committed to supporting our existing US builders, and
delivering any backordered parts to US builders.
I was also informed that the company has future plans for the US, and
Canada, possibly to include the upcoming Sport Plane category in the US,
and the existing Advanced Ultralight category in Canada.
Finally, the UK has just informed me that we will not be attending the
fly-in at Oshkosh this year. I do still hope that many of you fly-in
with your Europa as planned however. The reserved area will still be
available.
Happy Building & Flying!
John L. Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
tom@tompaul.com
Subject: Europa-List: us office
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
I heard today that the europa office is going to adopt a part-time
schedule of weekends, due to lack of revenue. This is quite unsettling
news. While i know there is a strong community of europaphiles out
there (here), to have a plane become an orphan when it is only half
finished is not a nice feeling. How's it going in the UK?
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| Subject: | Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Europa Aircraft wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I can't say what is happening in the UK, as I only have responsibility for
>managing their US office.
>
>As far as the US office goes, we are scaling back here quite a bit for now.
>As of July 15 the office will be available on a part time basis only. This
>is due in part to the fact that the US dollar has not been worth much
>against the UK pound for quite some time. Though the company initially felt
>it prudent to sell kits at a loss in the US to stay in the market, the
>exchange rate continues to be unfavorable longer than expected. Though I
>will miss being here full time, I do feel that this is a positive step for
>the company to reorganize, focusing it's assets where they are needed most
>on new developments & better parts stores.
>
>We will also be selling our two US demonstrators. However, we are currently
>planning to keep our hanger & office at the Lakeland Florida airport.
>
>I will continue to remain on a part time, volunteer basis to support our
>existing builders.
>
>The company president, and managing director, Keith Wilson, also informs me
>that he is very committed to supporting our existing US builders, and
>delivering any backordered parts to US builders.
>
>I was also informed that the company has future plans for the US, and
>Canada, possibly to include the upcoming Sport Plane category in the US, and
>the existing Advanced Ultralight category in Canada.
>
>Finally, the UK has just informed me that we will not be attending the
>fly-in at Oshkosh this year. I do still hope that many of you fly-in with
>your Europa as planned however. The reserved area will still be available.
>
>Happy Building & Flying!
>
>John L. Hurst
>Europa Aircraft
>Lakeland, FL
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>tom@tompaul.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: us office
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
>
>I heard today that the europa office is going to adopt a part-time
>schedule of weekends, due to lack of revenue. This is quite unsettling
>news. While i know there is a strong community of europaphiles out
>there (here), to have a plane become an orphan when it is only half
>finished is not a nice feeling. How's it going in the UK?
>
>
>
>
John,
Sorry to hear the news. How and at what times, will the US builders,
with parts backordered, be able to contact you, to check status, etc?
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
John and Patty,
I am so sorry to see things turning out as they have. Rest assured that no
responsibility falls on your shoulders. You guys, and Bob Berube before
you, have done an outstanding job in all respects. The US office couldn't
have been run better. You have our respect and admiration for a job well
done under very difficult circumstances.
As others have stated, the Europa is a great airplane. With such a good
product, a half-wit could have made a success of the company. It's a pity
that the UK team couldn't manage to make a go of it. I think we'd all be
happy if the company was sold to new ownership.
Best wishes to John and Patty in their future endeavors. We'll miss you.
Garry Stout
N4220S 914 Trigear, Flying.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Subject: Europa-List: US office & Oshkosh Plans
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I can't say what is happening in the UK, as I only have responsibility for
> managing their US office.
>
> As far as the US office goes, we are scaling back here quite a bit for
now.
> As of July 15 the office will be available on a part time basis only.
This
> is due in part to the fact that the US dollar has not been worth much
> against the UK pound for quite some time. Though the company initially
felt
> it prudent to sell kits at a loss in the US to stay in the market, the
> exchange rate continues to be unfavorable longer than expected. Though I
> will miss being here full time, I do feel that this is a positive step for
> the company to reorganize, focusing it's assets where they are needed most
> on new developments & better parts stores.
>
> We will also be selling our two US demonstrators. However, we are
currently
> planning to keep our hanger & office at the Lakeland Florida airport.
>
> I will continue to remain on a part time, volunteer basis to support our
> existing builders.
>
> The company president, and managing director, Keith Wilson, also informs
me
> that he is very committed to supporting our existing US builders, and
> delivering any backordered parts to US builders.
>
> I was also informed that the company has future plans for the US, and
> Canada, possibly to include the upcoming Sport Plane category in the US,
and
> the existing Advanced Ultralight category in Canada.
>
> Finally, the UK has just informed me that we will not be attending the
> fly-in at Oshkosh this year. I do still hope that many of you fly-in with
> your Europa as planned however. The reserved area will still be
available.
>
> Happy Building & Flying!
>
> John L. Hurst
> Europa Aircraft
> Lakeland, FL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> tom@tompaul.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: us office
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
>
> I heard today that the europa office is going to adopt a part-time
> schedule of weekends, due to lack of revenue. This is quite unsettling
> news. While i know there is a strong community of europaphiles out
> there (here), to have a plane become an orphan when it is only half
> finished is not a nice feeling. How's it going in the UK?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
John, I think I speak for all US builders in thanking you for what you've done
in the past and especially thanks for the continuing volunteer work you'll be
doing. I'm saddened by the change of events but the world being what it is not
terribly surprised
Paul Boulet, N914PB
Malibu, CA
Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft"
Hi All,
I can't say what is happening in the UK, as I only have responsibility for
managing their US office.
As far as the US office goes, we are scaling back here quite a bit for now.
As of July 15 the office will be available on a part time basis only. This
is due in part to the fact that the US dollar has not been worth much
against the UK pound for quite some time. Though the company initially felt
it prudent to sell kits at a loss in the US to stay in the market, the
exchange rate continues to be unfavorable longer than expected. Though I
will miss being here full time, I do feel that this is a positive step for
the company to reorganize, focusing it's assets where they are needed most
on new developments & better parts stores.
We will also be selling our two US demonstrators. However, we are currently
planning to keep our hanger & office at the Lakeland Florida airport.
I will continue to remain on a part time, volunteer basis to support our
existing builders.
The company president, and managing director, Keith Wilson, also informs me
that he is very committed to supporting our existing US builders, and
delivering any backordered parts to US builders.
I was also informed that the company has future plans for the US, and
Canada, possibly to include the upcoming Sport Plane category in the US, and
the existing Advanced Ultralight category in Canada.
Finally, the UK has just informed me that we will not be attending the
fly-in at Oshkosh this year. I do still hope that many of you fly-in with
your Europa as planned however. The reserved area will still be available.
Happy Building & Flying!
John L. Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
tom@tompaul.com
Subject: Europa-List: us office
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com"
I heard today that the europa office is going to adopt a part-time
schedule of weekends, due to lack of revenue. This is quite unsettling
news. While i know there is a strong community of europaphiles out
there (here), to have a plane become an orphan when it is only half
finished is not a nice feeling. How's it going in the UK?
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| Subject: | RE: US office & Oshkosh Plans |
2.6 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
John, brother, Sorry to hear the news... If there's is anything I can do for you
let me know. If you need to use the Europa Forum for anything let me know. We
could set up a parts listing of what you have, or need to clear. An inventory
status page, what ever. Email me or give me a call.
Builders, if you come across vendors for replacement parts let me know and I'll
set up a vendor or parts info section on the site.
SteveD
A217
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| Subject: | Re: new source for trailers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hi Paul,
Yes, I would be interested in seeing your trailer when you get it. While I am
just about to put my top on, and am probably more than a year from needing
it, it would be nice to know what's out there.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
Waiting eighteen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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| Subject: | new source for trailers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Mike
I am signed on to get one of the first two trailers here in Atascadero,
so that would be a bit closer than Malibu. I'll give you my evaluation
if you want.
Tom Friedland N96V Atascadero Ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: new source for trailers
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hi Paul,
Yes, I would be interested in seeing your trailer when you get it. While
I am
just about to put my top on, and am probably more than a year from
needing
it, it would be nice to know what's out there.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do
before
that.
Waiting eighteen weeks now for Mod 68 Flap Actuator to ship.
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| Subject: | Re: new source for trailers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hi Tom,
All inputs would be greatly appreciated.
Mike
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| Subject: | new source for trailers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi Paul, I'd love to see your trailer when it's done. I am interested. And
I'd really like to see your Mono N914PB. I think you need to fly on up to
Bishop one day.
Kevin, A211, will become N211KA (one day, closer all the time)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: Europa-List: new source for trailers
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I have a trailer builder in the Southwest willing to make a trailer similar
to the Europa model for the Monowheel. Price is $1,750 each. They are
built to order, require a 50% deposit and take 6 weeks. Let me know if
there's any interest or if you want to see mine when it's delivered 6 weeks
from now. Good flyin'
Paul Boulet, N914PB
Malibu, CA
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