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1. 03:23 AM - OIl filter inspection (Richard Iddon)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: door fitting (rlborger)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (rlborger)
4. 05:32 AM - Re: door fitting (Robert Berube)
5. 05:46 AM - Re: OIl filter inspection (Ami McFadyean)
6. 05:51 AM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (Ami McFadyean)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
8. 07:52 AM - US office & Oshkosh Plans (europa@triton.net)
9. 08:38 AM - Re: door fitting (SteveD)
10. 10:33 AM - door fitting (Danny Shepherd)
11. 11:25 AM - Re: OIl filter inspection (David Joyce)
12. 11:32 AM - Europa US office & Oshkosh (John & Paddy Wigney)
13. 12:31 PM - Some good news, anyone? (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
14. 05:08 PM - Re: Europa US office & Oshkosh (Europa Aircraft)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: Europa US office & Oshkosh (Cliff Shaw)
16. 05:57 PM - Re: Some good news, anyone? (Rocketman)
17. 06:55 PM - Heavy sigh! (Dave Anderson)
18. 08:43 PM - Re: Some good news, anyone? (Fergus Kyle)
19. 08:52 PM - Re: Europa US office & Oshkosh (Fergus Kyle)
20. 11:00 PM - Europa feedback (Gerry Holland)
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| Subject: | OIl filter inspection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I note from the Rotax maintenance recommendations that after changing
the oil filter, one should open it up and inspect the paper 'web'. Do
most owners do this and if so, how do you open the filter if you don't
have access to an official tool?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: door fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Danny,
I just went through this with Neville at the factory. Let me pass on
the correspondence.
====================================================
Neville,
OK, something went wrong with the pics. I'll just send the text
portion (with some extra info) and point you to the Europa Forum for
the pics.
I'm in the process of mounting the port side door.
I have the hinges made up.
They were carefully located with a good straightedge.
And have been mounted on the door.
When I set the door onto the fuselage, the hinges hang down in such a
way as they will never be able to be fastened to the fuselage.
There seems to be about a 1/4" (6 - 7 mm) empty space in there.
On page 35-2 & 35-4 of the manual there is a drawing of the hinge
installation showing a plywood insert in the hinge mounting recess.
This plywood insert appears to fill the above mentioned empty space.
I have looked through the build manual and have done a search on
"plywood" through the new PDF version of the manual. I don't see
anything about bonding plywood in there. Have I missed something in
the build manual??
Should I have bonded some sort of plywood insert in the hinge recess
somewhere along the way?
What now??
In case you have not seen it, I have set up a build log on the Europa
Forum ( http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ ). Click select the Europa Photo
Gallery option in the header. If you want a good fright, you can see
what I have been up to.
The pics I attempted to send to you with the e-mail have been posted on
my area of the forum: N914XL - A221 -- Album: Year #3, G3 2004.
Thanks,
Bob Borger
Hi Bob,
Fear not ! The plywood is already inside the moulding, but... we were
having problems with the thickness of the door hinge tangs being too
thick, so the rebates in the fuselage for the hinges to sit in were
lowered.... perhaps too far ? All that is needed is a shim between the
fuselage rebate, and the hinge, so the top of the door tang sits level
with the fuselage top.
Use longer screws to attach the hinge.Once you have determined the
correct thickness of the shims [ use alloy] they can be Reduxed on.
Cheers,
Nev.
Neville,
OK... I think... More questions...
The top of the door fits reasonably even with the top of the fuselage
without any further adjustment. There is just about a .2725" (6.95 mm)
gap between the bottom of the rebate and the hinge. This was measured
by inserting mixing sticks till the hinge was positioned approximately
where it should be, then measured the thickness of the stick pile.
Do I understand that I should use alloy, as in aluminum alloy?, to fill
this ~7mm gap. I have some 1"x 1/8" (.129" or 3.3 mm actually)
2024T3/T4 aluminum bar. It would take two thicknesses of this to
approximately fill the gap.
Would it be OK to bond in two layers of this or should I obtain full
thickness (1/4") material?
It should. obviously, fill the hinge rebate fore-aft. How wide should
it be, port-starboard. Is hinge width (1") OK or should it fill the
rebate (~2")?
Should any BID be applied over, under or around this?
Any FLOX or Milled mixed with the Araldite or just straight Araldite?
Thanks,
Bob Borger
Hi Bob,
The shim only needs to be the area of the hinge, ie full width x 1'',
it can be laminations of thinner material, the 2024 is fine [if a
little overkill].
Redux with enough flox in it to prevent flowing will be fine, a Bid
over the top, onto the original rebate will help keep the filler /
paint on.
Cheers,
Nev.
Neville,
Thanks.
The only options I have for shim material at this time are plywood or
this bit of 2024. Now that I think about it, I don't have enough of
the 2024 to do the job. 2x2" for each of 4 rebates is 16"+. I think I
only have 10" of this bar right now. So I will have to obtain another
length or another shim material in any case. Do you have any specific
recommendation for material? If left on my own, I'd probably end up
purchasing a bar of 2"x1/4" 2024 from ACS. If you know of a
better/cheaper subsititute, I'm open for suggestions.
Regards,
Bob Borger
Hi Bob,
Plywood with 3 Bids would do just as well, fill the entire rebate if
you are doing it that way. This will be similar to the original
construction.
Cheers,
Nev.
Neville,
Thanks. That's easy. That's the way I'll do it.
Best regards,
Bob Borger
====================================================
If you have broadband web access you can go to my on-line build diary
for pics of all this.
You can go to http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
Click on "Europa Photo Gallery" in the header.
Click on my album - N914XL A221
Click on album: Year #3, Q3 2004
I hope that this helps.
Take care,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument
Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
John & Patti,
Well crap...
I have no idea how I could help, but if there is any thing I can do
please don't hesitate to call.
There's not doubt that the problems do not lie with Europa USA in
Lakeland, FL. We appreciate all the help you have provided and your
offer to continue to provide assistance.
The Europa product is too goo to be dropped and so much work has been
done to this point that there must be someone out there who would be
willing to come in and pick it up. For the sake of those folks who are
just starting and those who have partial kits I hope a management
change can be accomplished quickly.
All my best wishes,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument
Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Bob,
There is a variance in the doors on all the Europas we have worked on. In
the later XS models, it seems more evident that shims are needed under the
hinges. We use .125 aluminum spacers cut to the size of the hinge. In some
cases we have had to use 3/16 spacers. It is a bit difficult to set up with
spacers moving ,etc. A bit of 5 minute keeps everything in position until
the holes are drilled.
Regards,
Bob Berube
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rlborger
Subject: Re: Europa-List: door fitting
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Danny,
I just went through this with Neville at the factory. Let me pass on
the correspondence.
====================================================
Neville,
OK, something went wrong with the pics. I'll just send the text
portion (with some extra info) and point you to the Europa Forum for
the pics.
I'm in the process of mounting the port side door.
I have the hinges made up.
They were carefully located with a good straightedge.
And have been mounted on the door.
When I set the door onto the fuselage, the hinges hang down in such a
way as they will never be able to be fastened to the fuselage.
There seems to be about a 1/4" (6 - 7 mm) empty space in there.
On page 35-2 & 35-4 of the manual there is a drawing of the hinge
installation showing a plywood insert in the hinge mounting recess.
This plywood insert appears to fill the above mentioned empty space.
I have looked through the build manual and have done a search on
"plywood" through the new PDF version of the manual. I don't see
anything about bonding plywood in there. Have I missed something in
the build manual??
Should I have bonded some sort of plywood insert in the hinge recess
somewhere along the way?
What now??
In case you have not seen it, I have set up a build log on the Europa
Forum ( http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ ). Click select the Europa Photo
Gallery option in the header. If you want a good fright, you can see
what I have been up to.
The pics I attempted to send to you with the e-mail have been posted on
my area of the forum: N914XL - A221 -- Album: Year #3, G3 2004.
Thanks,
Bob Borger
Hi Bob,
Fear not ! The plywood is already inside the moulding, but... we were
having problems with the thickness of the door hinge tangs being too
thick, so the rebates in the fuselage for the hinges to sit in were
lowered.... perhaps too far ? All that is needed is a shim between the
fuselage rebate, and the hinge, so the top of the door tang sits level
with the fuselage top.
Use longer screws to attach the hinge.Once you have determined the
correct thickness of the shims [ use alloy] they can be Reduxed on.
Cheers,
Nev.
Neville,
OK... I think... More questions...
The top of the door fits reasonably even with the top of the fuselage
without any further adjustment. There is just about a .2725" (6.95 mm)
gap between the bottom of the rebate and the hinge. This was measured
by inserting mixing sticks till the hinge was positioned approximately
where it should be, then measured the thickness of the stick pile.
Do I understand that I should use alloy, as in aluminum alloy?, to fill
this ~7mm gap. I have some 1"x 1/8" (.129" or 3.3 mm actually)
2024T3/T4 aluminum bar. It would take two thicknesses of this to
approximately fill the gap.
Would it be OK to bond in two layers of this or should I obtain full
thickness (1/4") material?
It should. obviously, fill the hinge rebate fore-aft. How wide should
it be, port-starboard. Is hinge width (1") OK or should it fill the
rebate (~2")?
Should any BID be applied over, under or around this?
Any FLOX or Milled mixed with the Araldite or just straight Araldite?
Thanks,
Bob Borger
Hi Bob,
The shim only needs to be the area of the hinge, ie full width x 1'',
it can be laminations of thinner material, the 2024 is fine [if a
little overkill].
Redux with enough flox in it to prevent flowing will be fine, a Bid
over the top, onto the original rebate will help keep the filler /
paint on.
Cheers,
Nev.
Neville,
Thanks.
The only options I have for shim material at this time are plywood or
this bit of 2024. Now that I think about it, I don't have enough of
the 2024 to do the job. 2x2" for each of 4 rebates is 16"+. I think I
only have 10" of this bar right now. So I will have to obtain another
length or another shim material in any case. Do you have any specific
recommendation for material? If left on my own, I'd probably end up
purchasing a bar of 2"x1/4" 2024 from ACS. If you know of a
better/cheaper subsititute, I'm open for suggestions.
Regards,
Bob Borger
Hi Bob,
Plywood with 3 Bids would do just as well, fill the entire rebate if
you are doing it that way. This will be similar to the original
construction.
Cheers,
Nev.
Neville,
Thanks. That's easy. That's the way I'll do it.
Best regards,
Bob Borger
====================================================
If you have broadband web access you can go to my on-line build diary
for pics of all this.
You can go to http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
Click on "Europa Photo Gallery" in the header.
Click on my album - N914XL A221
Click on album: Year #3, Q3 2004
I hope that this helps.
Take care,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument
Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: OIl filter inspection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
You can buy an oil filter cutter at Kemble; 40!!
A sharp hammer and chisel does the same, but is more messy and can deposit
metal in the evidence.
Chain-link pipe cutters are cheaper, but usually need lengthening to go all
the way around the filter.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: Europa-List: OIl filter inspection
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> I note from the Rotax maintenance recommendations that after changing
> the oil filter, one should open it up and inspect the paper 'web'. Do
> most owners do this and if so, how do you open the filter if you don't
> have access to an official tool?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
So what's new.
Most kit manufacturers seem to go out of business at regular intervals! (eg
Kitfox, Glastar Avid etc).
The good ones seem to bounce back, given time.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: US office & Oshkosh Plans
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> John & Patti,
>
> Well crap...
>
> I have no idea how I could help, but if there is any thing I can do
> please don't hesitate to call.
>
> There's not doubt that the problems do not lie with Europa USA in
> Lakeland, FL. We appreciate all the help you have provided and your
> offer to continue to provide assistance.
>
> The Europa product is too goo to be dropped and so much work has been
> done to this point that there must be someone out there who would be
> willing to come in and pick it up. For the sake of those folks who are
> just starting and those who have partial kits I hope a management
> change can be accomplished quickly.
>
> All my best wishes,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument
> Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
> Latches & 35 Doors.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "jimpuglise@comcast.net" <jimpuglise@comcast.net>
John - Patti
Lynne and I were sorry to hear the news. I don't really know what else to
say except "thanks" for the help as we started into the project. I'm sure
we'll be seeing more of you in whatever you end up doing. Again, "thanks"
and please keep us posted.
Jim Puglie, A-283
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From: Europa Aircraft europa@gate.net
1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received:
date
Subject: Europa-List: US office & Oshkosh Plans
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
I can't say what is happening in the UK, as I only have responsibility for
managing their US office.
As far as the US office goes, we are scaling back here quite a bit for now.
As of July 15 the office will be available on a part time basis only. This
is due in part to the fact that the US dollar has not been worth much
against the UK pound for quite some time. Though the company initially felt
it prudent to sell kits at a loss in the US to stay in the market, the
exchange rate continues to be unfavorable longer than expected. Though I
will miss being here full time, I do feel that this is a positive step for
the company to reorganize, focusing it's assets where they are needed most
on new developments & better parts stores.
We will also be selling our two US demonstrators. However, we are currently
planning to keep our hanger & office at the Lakeland Florida airport.
I will continue to remain on a part time, volunteer basis to support our
existing builders.
The company president, and managing director, Keith Wilson, also informs me
that he is very committed to supporting our existing US builders, and
delivering any backordered parts to US builders.
I was also informed that the company has future plans for the US, and
Canada, possibly to include the upcoming Sport Plane category in the US, and
the existing Advanced Ultralight category in Canada.
Finally, the UK has just informed me that we will not be attending the
fly-in at Oshkosh this year. I do still hope that many of you fly-in with
your Europa as planned however. The reserved area will still be available.
Happy Building & Flying!
John L. Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
tom@tompaul.com
Subject: Europa-List: us office
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
I heard today that the europa office is going to adopt a part-time
schedule of weekends, due to lack of revenue. This is quite unsettling
news. While i know there is a strong community of europaphiles out
there (here), to have a plane become an orphan when it is only half
finished is not a nice feeling. How's it going in the UK?
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| Subject: | US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: europa@triton.net
John,
Thanks for the input. Having reliable information is very important in
situations like this.
Foa all going to Oshkosh, I had scheduled a Europa Builders Forum for a
question and answer period. The forum is scheduled for Tues 7/27 from
4:00 pm to 5:15 pm in Pavilion 02. This would be a good time for everyone
to meet and discuss Europa.
Unfortunately, I won't be at OSH. My wife's sister was in an auto
accident 2 1/2 weeks ago and remains in Trauma ICU. We have been in
Alabama with her since the accident.
Here's hoping Europa can get reorganized so we can all finish our kits and
have the pleasure of flying.
Jim & Heather Butcher
A 185 N241BW
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| Subject: | RE: door fitting |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Here's some photos of the door construction. There is some black marker on the
plywood insert. Builder tip of the month "Don't cut the door pockets out!" When
I asked the office about poor fitting doors they had no idea of what I was talk
about. I made a shim of Epoxy and flox covered with two plys of bid. You can
see the thickness of the flox in the photos and this tapers to 0 over one inch.
P.S. The photo attachment feature of the Europa Forum is open to everyone. Just
make sure your email address on the forum is the same one you use for matronics
Europa-List.
P.S.S. Ever send an Email to the list only two wish you could add or change something?
Now you can! After your email is posted on the Europa Forum you can edit
your post. The archive will be updated but it will not resend the post to everyone
on the list.
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This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewtopic.php?p=725#725
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Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Danny Shepherd" <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Thanks Bob for that info, nice to know I wasn't being a Muppet (again)
Cheers Danny
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| Subject: | Re: OIl filter inspection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Richard, You could I am sure borrow the tool from someone ( You could borrow
mine if you lived a bit nearer) but you could probably ask your friendly
local garage to do it for you for the cost of a beer, Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: Europa-List: OIl filter inspection
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> I note from the Rotax maintenance recommendations that after changing
> the oil filter, one should open it up and inspect the paper 'web'. Do
> most owners do this and if so, how do you open the filter if you don't
> have access to an official tool?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa US office & Oshkosh |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<<Hello all,
First thank you John for the e-mail letting us U.S. builders know what is
going on. I know that John has been doing an excellent job of mainaining
support here even when he is getting none from the U.K.
By keeping the office open on the weekends at NO PAY I personally think he
is going above and beyond and I hope people who are waiting for parts and
planes realize that the current problems are not Johns fault. Lets be
helpful to him and I am sure he will help us all back.
I personally feel that the failures at Europa now (and this is MY OPINION)
can only be laid at the feet of management. The product is just too good to
go away. The tooling is done the flight testing and hundreds of flying
planes are a testement to the design and engineering. I hope that if the
current management can't get its act together they will consider selling it
to someone who can.
As to the Oskosh plans, there are some changes as Europa will not be there.
This means no factory sponsered get togethers. I will update the europa-usa
website tomorrow to reflect this and keep the list of who is going current.
Send me e-mails if there are changes in your plans.
Thanks for letting me spout.Bob Jacobsen N165BB>>>>>
Hi Bob,
First let me endorse the many comments on the outstanding job which John Hurst
has done in running the US office under difficult circumstances over the years.
He is to be congratulated for a job well done.
Secondly, I would like to confirm that I plan to arrive in N262WF at Oshkosh on
Monday July 26th and will put my plane in the Europa reserved area. I will be
flying in from Columbus, Ohio, where I will be stopping off to visit grandchildren.
Are there any special details we need to know about the reserved area ?
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
Just wanted to report that A-245 now looks more like an airplane than a
canoe.
After months of prep work, with the help of a few friends we bonded on my top
this morning. All went well and it looks like a good fit. Mr. Plumbob and Mr.
Level report all is well, straight and true. We used about 480 grams of
Redux, with about 80 grams or so of waste.
So, now, my status is:
Wings, ailerons, flaps, antiservo tabs, and rudder ready to start filling and
finish. Wingtip lights ready for installation, fuselage top is bonded on,
fuselage is up on it's gear, both sticks are wired for PTT, pilot and copilot
headphone jacks are installed, flap wiring and switch are in, trim wiring and
switch are installed, center console cutdown is completed, cockpit and baggage
bay area are painted, wing and tail tiedowns installed, instrument panel is cut
and drilled and ready for instruments, transponder and Com antennas and coax
installed, strobe power supply, power wires and high tension feed lines are
installed, overhead console complete except for wiring, all panel covers
complete, rudder cables installed, and custom floor mats are on the way.
Thanks to all for your input with special thanks to Graham for his input on
the splash flange for the rear bulkhead. Now, I hope I can still get
cowls...........
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Europa US office & Oshkosh |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
Thank you all so much for your support! That really means a great deal to
me.
I can tell you that the reserved area is across taxiway P-1 from the warbird
area. It is on the south side of the homebuilt parking area, south of the
North Aircraft Display. It is just northeast of the blue "admission gate
346" on the map at this link
http://www.airventure.org/2004/images/grounds_map_toplft.jpg
I hope as many of you as possible can fly out. I am very sorry that I can't
be there to assist you with lodging etc... Good news is that there is
camping just south of the parking area.
Also, I do still have a very nice house reserved there, and Europa has paid
the deposit, which is a good portion of the rent. It is on a lake, and has
a boat. If anyone is interested in using it for the fly-in, please let me
know. If a number of you wanted to share the remainder of the rent for the
week ($2,500), it would be very reasonable. I will need one person to
coordinate though. I also need to know ASAP - Monday would be great. So if
you want to take advantage of that - get on the phone now, or post a message
here & see who wants to share!!
Now more than ever the Europa design needs your support, so it would be
wonderful if a number of you could fly-in it to the show.
Happy flying!!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John & Paddy
Wigney
Subject: Europa-List: Europa US office & Oshkosh
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
<johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<<Hello all,
First thank you John for the e-mail letting us U.S. builders know what is
going on. I know that John has been doing an excellent job of mainaining
support here even when he is getting none from the U.K.
By keeping the office open on the weekends at NO PAY I personally think he
is going above and beyond and I hope people who are waiting for parts and
planes realize that the current problems are not Johns fault. Lets be
helpful to him and I am sure he will help us all back.
I personally feel that the failures at Europa now (and this is MY OPINION)
can only be laid at the feet of management. The product is just too good to
go away. The tooling is done the flight testing and hundreds of flying
planes are a testement to the design and engineering. I hope that if the
current management can't get its act together they will consider selling it
to someone who can.
As to the Oskosh plans, there are some changes as Europa will not be there.
This means no factory sponsered get togethers. I will update the europa-usa
website tomorrow to reflect this and keep the list of who is going current.
Send me e-mails if there are changes in your plans.
Thanks for letting me spout.Bob Jacobsen N165BB>>>>>
Hi Bob,
First let me endorse the many comments on the outstanding job which John
Hurst has done in running the US office under difficult circumstances over
the years. He is to be congratulated for a job well done.
Secondly, I would like to confirm that I plan to arrive in N262WF at Oshkosh
on Monday July 26th and will put my plane in the Europa reserved area. I
will be flying in from Columbus, Ohio, where I will be stopping off to visit
grandchildren.
Are there any special details we need to know about the reserved area ?
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
Betty and I are planning to go to OSH. We have a place to stay reserved and
will not be needing to get in on the "house" deal. Thanks !
The parking is very desirable and much appreciated. We hope to see lots of
Europe's parked there.
John, I can't express how bad I feel about the problem the company has
gotten it's selves into. I hope the best for you because I know you really
tried !!!!! I saw Patty on Wednesday, she is having a good time.
Good luck to every one and see you at OSH.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
PS: We had 5 Europas at the Arlington Fly-in !!!!!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
>Greetings all,
>
>Just wanted to report that A-245 now looks more like an airplane than a
>canoe.
>
>After months of prep work, with the help of a few friends we bonded on my top
>this morning. All went well and it looks like a good fit. Mr. Plumbob and Mr.
>Level report all is well, straight and true. We used about 480 grams of
>Redux, with about 80 grams or so of waste.
>
>So, now, my status is:
>
>Wings, ailerons, flaps, antiservo tabs, and rudder ready to start filling and
>finish. Wingtip lights ready for installation, fuselage top is bonded on,
>fuselage is up on it's gear, both sticks are wired for PTT, pilot and copilot
>headphone jacks are installed, flap wiring and switch are in, trim wiring and
>switch are installed, center console cutdown is completed, cockpit and baggage
>bay area are painted, wing and tail tiedowns installed, instrument panel is cut
>and drilled and ready for instruments, transponder and Com antennas and coax
>installed, strobe power supply, power wires and high tension feed lines are
>installed, overhead console complete except for wiring, all panel covers
>complete, rudder cables installed, and custom floor mats are on the way.
>
>Thanks to all for your input with special thanks to Graham for his input on
>the splash flange for the rear bulkhead. Now, I hope I can still get
>cowls...........
>
>Regards,
>
>John Lawton
>Dunlap, TN
>A-245
>
>
>
John,
Congratulations on sewing up the fuse. You beat me by a day or two. We
plan to bond on A055's top tomorrow or Monday. I feels really good to
see all that work start to look like an airplane. Like you, I only hope
I can get the remainder of the parts needed to finish the project...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Heavy sigh.........
I have been through the stages of company difficulties in years gone by - and actually
currently, for that matter. I know that everything works out in the end
for those who are competent. I know the people I have dealt with at Europa have
been outstanding - especially John Hurst. Things will work out very well for
him in the future, regardless of how this all turns out.
For us now remaining, we have a problem even for those who have completed the aircraft.
The ongoing technical support of an experimental aircraft requires monitoring
of the fleet and engineering - parts etc. Now more than ever, this forum
needs to stay intact and people with Europas need to keep a network going.
We would need to create our own ADs for example. Hopefully the company will be
intact to continue the parts availability. The good news is that the airplane
has been tested and certified in Europe, so the basic design is excellent, but
the problems that crop up in service will need to have attention. I am obviously
back in the forum and will be monitoring the situation. I am back flying
again this week after two months of hard labor repainting -removing the aircraft
finishing systems paint and applying real paint - PPG.
They need to take immediate action when all this news comes out. With sales, this
can be a very quick downhill slope. I recall buying the complete kit because
of the fear of anything happening to the company. From personal experience (two
bankrupt companies that employed me in the past), I know you can't take ANYTHING
for granted.
Heavy sigh......
Dave Anderson
Mini U2
188 hours TT
Not needing any parts........yet
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
John,
What engine are you putting on?
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Some good news, anyone?
| --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
|
| Greetings all,
|
| Just wanted to report that A-245 now looks more like an airplane than a
| canoe.
|
| After months of prep work, with the help of a few friends we bonded on my
top
| this morning. All went well and it looks like a good fit. Mr. Plumbob and
Mr.
| Level report all is well, straight and true. We used about 480 grams of
| Redux, with about 80 grams or so of waste.
|
| So, now, my status is:
|
| Wings, ailerons, flaps, antiservo tabs, and rudder ready to start filling
and
| finish. Wingtip lights ready for installation, fuselage top is bonded on,
| fuselage is up on it's gear, both sticks are wired for PTT, pilot and
copilot
| headphone jacks are installed, flap wiring and switch are in, trim wiring
and
| switch are installed, center console cutdown is completed, cockpit and
baggage
| bay area are painted, wing and tail tiedowns installed, instrument panel
is cut
| and drilled and ready for instruments, transponder and Com antennas and
coax
| installed, strobe power supply, power wires and high tension feed lines
are
| installed, overhead console complete except for wiring, all panel covers
| complete, rudder cables installed, and custom floor mats are on the way.
|
| Thanks to all for your input with special thanks to Graham for his input
on
| the splash flange for the rear bulkhead. Now, I hope I can still get
| cowls...........
|
| Regards,
|
| John Lawton
| Dunlap, TN
| A-245
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
John,
I hope you know that I will always remember and cherish your
hard work, your dedication and skills, plus your service and unselfishness
to committed and potential builders alike. From my personal experience at
Oshkosh and following, I know you will be successful and productive in any
circumstance. Naturally, I am selfish enough to want Europa to rise back to
prominence but know that it will be to your and your associates' own past
accomplishments that make it so.
Let us know what we may do......... and Godspeed.
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa US office & Oshkosh
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
|
| Hi All,
|
| Thank you all so much for your support! That really means a great deal to
| me.
|
| I can tell you that the reserved area is across taxiway P-1 from the
warbird
| area. It is on the south side of the homebuilt parking area, south of the
| North Aircraft Display. It is just northeast of the blue "admission gate
| 346" on the map at this link
|
| http://www.airventure.org/2004/images/grounds_map_toplft.jpg
|
| I hope as many of you as possible can fly out. I am very sorry that I
can't
| be there to assist you with lodging etc... Good news is that there is
| camping just south of the parking area.
|
| Also, I do still have a very nice house reserved there, and Europa has
paid
| the deposit, which is a good portion of the rent. It is on a lake, and
has
| a boat. If anyone is interested in using it for the fly-in, please let me
| know. If a number of you wanted to share the remainder of the rent for
the
| week ($2,500), it would be very reasonable. I will need one person to
| coordinate though. I also need to know ASAP - Monday would be great. So
if
| you want to take advantage of that - get on the phone now, or post a
message
| here & see who wants to share!!
|
| Now more than ever the Europa design needs your support, so it would be
| wonderful if a number of you could fly-in it to the show.
|
| Happy flying!!
|
| John
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John & Paddy
| Wigney
| To: jacobsenra@hotmail.com
| Subject: Europa-List: Europa US office & Oshkosh
|
|
| --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
| <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
|
| <<<<Hello all,
| First thank you John for the e-mail letting us U.S. builders know what is
| going on. I know that John has been doing an excellent job of mainaining
| support here even when he is getting none from the U.K.
| By keeping the office open on the weekends at NO PAY I personally think he
| is going above and beyond and I hope people who are waiting for parts and
| planes realize that the current problems are not Johns fault. Lets be
| helpful to him and I am sure he will help us all back.
| I personally feel that the failures at Europa now (and this is MY OPINION)
| can only be laid at the feet of management. The product is just too good
to
| go away. The tooling is done the flight testing and hundreds of flying
| planes are a testement to the design and engineering. I hope that if the
| current management can't get its act together they will consider selling
it
| to someone who can.
| As to the Oskosh plans, there are some changes as Europa will not be
there.
| This means no factory sponsered get togethers. I will update the
europa-usa
| website tomorrow to reflect this and keep the list of who is going
current.
| Send me e-mails if there are changes in your plans.
| Thanks for letting me spout.Bob Jacobsen N165BB>>>>>
|
| Hi Bob,
|
| First let me endorse the many comments on the outstanding job which John
| Hurst has done in running the US office under difficult circumstances over
| the years. He is to be congratulated for a job well done.
|
| Secondly, I would like to confirm that I plan to arrive in N262WF at
Oshkosh
| on Monday July 26th and will put my plane in the Europa reserved area. I
| will be flying in from Columbus, Ohio, where I will be stopping off to
visit
| grandchildren.
|
| Are there any special details we need to know about the reserved area ?
|
| Cheers, John
|
| N262WF, mono XS, 912S
| Mooresville, North Carolina
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
An update.... Of sorts and only as an individual.
> I can't say what is happening in the UK, as I only have responsibility for
> managing their US office.
Last night in UK the Europa Club held it's Annual General Meeting to elect
and re-elect Officers etc. In the any other business portion the problem of
Europa Aircraft management Limited was overviewed.
The news including a correspondence from Keith Wilson was not good but at
the same time was not conclusive either. It is still early days in the what
looks like the demise of the Company as we have known it and the dust needs
to settle along with some old fashioned honesty from certain persons who
have known the situation for a while.
I choose my words and comments carefully for obvious legal reasons regarding
individuals but there is a place for blame to be laid at..... It's alleged.
The one common theme of the Meeting of the 10th anniversary of Europa Club
was that they will make every effort to help those who are not fortunate to
have enough if any Kit to complete a Europa. As it's still early days I
guess that cannot be defined.
The numbers of Members of the Club has increased and now maybe it would be
worth those who haven't joined to do so in an effort to strengthen the voice
of all of those who Fly, Build and may need help to maintain the Aircraft
over the next 30 years or more.
The Europa has engendered a world wide spirit of family and it's in that I'm
convinced all will work out in some way for everyone with concerns for their
financial and emotional investment.
I'm sure others from UK will comment in next few days but and for my small
part I can only say if I can be of any help on a personal level then please
make contact.
I would also like to say MANY THANKS to Andy and Neville and in my case John
Hurst and Bob Berube before him for all the help and support they have given
over past years. John and Bob although many miles away have supplied various
items and advice to me with excellent service every time.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine and Prop very near to starting.
Painting completed. Just vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod completed.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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