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1. 12:59 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 (nigel charles)
2. 04:15 AM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (Jeremy Davey)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 (cgalley)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 (Paul McAllister)
5. 03:26 PM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (Rowland Carson)
6. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 (Fergus Kyle)
7. 10:08 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 (Fred R. Klein)
8. 11:10 PM - Patrick Tunney e-mail address please (Tony Renshaw)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Nigel,
Didn't Europa increase the weight limit to 1450#??
Dale<
In the UK the weight limit has never gone beyond 1370lb. Having read
Graham's comments I wouldn't be happy to operate at higher weights unless it
was proved to be safe and suitably authorised. Perhaps someone the other
side of the Atlantic can shed light on how the US and Canadian authorities
were persuaded that higher weights were acceptable even though it is not
permitted in the UK.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Riveting aileron hinges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Andrew,
This one's a common problem, and the answer is as Cliff says: put small
holes in the glass and fill afterwards with flox.
When pulling rivets, do them gradually, pulling them all 'so far', then all
'a bit further', then all 'the rest of the way'. That will give you the best
possible 'sit' of your joined parts.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Subject: Europa-List: Riveting aileron hinges
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
When attempting to rivet the hinges in place, I
discovered that there is not enough verical space in
the leading edge "V" to accomodate the rivet tails. As
a result, I am unable to set the rivet heads flush on
the flange before compressing them. This is
particularly bad for the row of rivets closest to the
"V" than the farthest row.
As I see it, I have two options: drill small holes,
perhaps 1/8" deep, on the other side of the "V" to
create extra room for the rivet tails. I don't like
this idea too much because that would mean 7 holes
under each hinge that is likely to weaken the glass.
Or, I could slowly compress the rivets and hope that
the head settles on the flange before the stem breaks
off. This sounds like a good plan, but if I remember
correctly, the entire riveting took place in one big
'bang' and there was hardly much control on the rate
of compression. I don't want to end up with rivets
heads that sit several mm proud of the flange surface.
I am sure I am not the only one who has encounetered
this problem. Any ideas?
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Our system is not rigidly controlled by an organization like yours (PFA?).
The builder is in charge and can make any changes he feels comfortable with.
No paperwork necessary for prior approval. If the FAA will permit the plane
to fly its test phase then you are good to go. They are looking for
construction quality, W&B and proper paper work. Seems to work fairly well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> >Nigel,
> Didn't Europa increase the weight limit to 1450#??
> Dale<
>
> In the UK the weight limit has never gone beyond 1370lb. Having read
> Graham's comments I wouldn't be happy to operate at higher weights unless
it
> was proved to be safe and suitably authorised. Perhaps someone the other
> side of the Atlantic can shed light on how the US and Canadian authorities
> were persuaded that higher weights were acceptable even though it is not
> permitted in the UK.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Nigel,
I certified mine to 1450 lbs in the US based on information posted by Europa
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Aircraft/EuropaXS.htm . I did speak to Andy
to this and he confirmed that the 1370 lb limitation was conservative.
Having said that, my wife and I come in a 160 + 130 lbs so I would have to
try really hard to get a MUW of 1450 lbs....... Mind you I don't really
want to issue that challenge to my wife's ability to pack a suit case !
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting aileron hinges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-07-16 21:22 -0700 Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>When attempting to rivet the hinges in place, I
>discovered that there is not enough verical space in
>the leading edge "V" to accomodate the rivet tails
>I have two options: drill small holes
Andrew - drill the holes. Better make them a bit larger than 1/8" as
the first thing that happens as you start to pull the rivet is that
the shank swells at the tail end. You don't want that bulge to seize
in the hole and pull out a patch of layup with it as you squeeze
further. Afterwards you can fill the holes with flox if you wish, but
there's not much room for manoeuvre in there even after pulling the
rivets.
Don't try to push the rivet heads down as you snap them, because it's
highly likely you won't manage it successfully. If the heads aren't
down tight onto the countersink you made, then they aren't providing
adequate holding strength & location for the hinges, and that's much
worse news than any cosmetic shortcomings!
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
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| >Nigel,
| Didn't Europa increase the weight limit to 1450#??
| Dale<
|
| In the UK the weight limit has never gone beyond 1370lb. Having read
| Graham's comments I wouldn't be happy to operate at higher weights unless
it
| was proved to be safe and suitably authorised. Perhaps someone the other
| side of the Atlantic can shed light on how the US and Canadian authorities
| were persuaded that higher weights were acceptable even though it is not
| permitted in the UK.
|
| Nigel Charles
Hi,
I understand from the Calgary crew (whose aircraft was registered
with AUW of 1500#) that the maximum is calculated basically from the wind
area and type of aircraft. I don't know the formula yet, but suspect that
structural considerations may be missing or developped another way.
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 7/17/04 5:23 AM, Fergus Kyle at VE3LVO@rac.ca wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Hi,
> I understand from the Calgary crew (whose aircraft was registered
> with AUW of 1500#) that the maximum is calculated basically from the wind
> area and type of aircraft. I don't know the formula yet, but suspect that
> structural considerations may be missing or developped another way.
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
Hi Ferg,
Who, pray tell, are the Calgary crew?
When I mentioned a Canadian registered Europa approved at 1500# I was
referring to Alex Bowman's ship...are there more Canadian Europas flying @
1500#?
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Patrick Tunney e-mail address please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
If there is anyone out there who knows how I can best contact Patrick,
please drop me a line off forum. Thanks
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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