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1. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 (Fergus Kyle)
3. 08:38 AM - Putting on the top (Fergus Kyle)
4. 09:03 AM - Re: Putting on the top (EuropaForum)
5. 10:42 AM - Short Links to Builders photo Albums (EuropaForum)
6. 10:51 AM - Drop-of -the-hat Mon19th (P.A.D.Clarke)
7. 12:55 PM - Nav Canada fee (KARL HEINDL)
8. 01:31 PM - Re: Putting on the top (Rocketman)
9. 02:11 PM - max gross weight [was: unhelpful digest reference] (Rowland Carson)
10. 02:17 PM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (Jeremy Davey)
11. 02:32 PM - Auto Pilot (Dan Bish)
12. 02:35 PM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (Rowland Carson)
13. 02:44 PM - Re: Auto Pilot (Jeremy Davey)
14. 02:55 PM - Re: Auto Pilot (N914RB)
15. 03:08 PM - Trio Auto Pilots (Tony Renshaw)
16. 03:23 PM - Re: max gross weight [was: unhelpful digest reference] (cgalley)
17. 04:31 PM - Re: Auto Pilot ()
18. 04:55 PM - Re: Auto Pilot (Cliff Shaw)
19. 05:24 PM - Aileron Lateral Pushrod Adjustment (David Simenauer)
20. 05:25 PM - Re: Auto Pilot ()
21. 05:46 PM - static port problems (Paul Boulet)
22. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Auto Pilot (SteveD)
23. 06:11 PM - Re: static port problems (Tony Krzyzewski)
24. 06:20 PM - Re: Aileron Lateral Pushrod Adjustment (Rocketman)
25. 06:24 PM - Re: static port problems (Rocketman)
26. 06:44 PM - Re: Aileron Lateral Pushrod Adjustment (Tony Renshaw)
27. 07:21 PM - Re: static port problems (Tony Krzyzewski)
28. 07:25 PM - Re: Auto Pilot (Kevin Klinefelter)
29. 07:36 PM - Re: static port problems (Rocketman)
30. 07:38 PM - Re: max gross weight [was: unhelpful digest reference] (Fergus Kyle)
31. 08:15 PM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (Andrew Sarangan)
32. 08:24 PM - Another aileron riveting question (Andrew Sarangan)
33. 10:22 PM - Re: Auto Pilot (N914RB)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> I don't know the formula yet, but . . . . . .may be missing or
*developped* another way.
Uncharacteristic of you Ferg !
In jest
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/15/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: not really
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>|
| on 7/17/04 5:23 AM, Fergus Kyle at VE3LVO@rac.ca wrote:
| > Hi,
| > I understand from the Calgary crew (whose aircraft was registered
| > with AUW of 1500#) that the maximum is calculated basically from the
wind
| > area and type of aircraft. I don't know the formula yet, but suspect
that
| > structural considerations may be missing or developped another way.
| > Ferg| > A064
|
| Hi Ferg,
| Who, pray tell, are the Calgary crew?
| When I mentioned a Canadian registered Europa approved at 1500# I was
| referring to Alex Bowman's ship...are there more Canadian Europas flying @
| 1500#? Fred A194
Well, Fred, and Kingsley.......
You have unmasked me. I think it was OSH where I met one of a
pair of successful builders. In the course of complimenting him on his
success (He from Calgary, alt_3500ftASL), he allowed as how he had sold it.
When I asked him how the a/c behaved at that altitude - CYYC is famed for
snow in every month of the year AND really hot summer days too - he said
there was never any hint of hesitation from the 914-powered machine, nor was
it particularly light in weight. The he dropped the news that theirs had
been registered at 1500#AUW, and gave me the reason - as I have you.
I was trying to hide the fact that (a) I've forgotten his name
and (b) haven't gone into it properly, so don't have the formula.
Nevertheless, I believe it to be so, and am not going to publicise it again,
as don't want it rescinded till mine is done.......... The government has
found further riches in its clawing for our lives by requiring a NavCan fee
yearly, based on their usurping of the weather services (which they deem we
all use) and their invaluable contribution to mankind of directing many of
us down the same paths so they can be paid to keep us apart. This ripoff is
based on WEIGHT - mainly I suppose because an aircraft below 600-odd kilos
doesn't use nearly as much of their expertise as does one weighing 750
kilos. Remember, this is annually till I die - and beyond.
See what you've done.............!
Ferg
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| Subject: | Putting on the top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Hello -
I may be five years late in discussing my experience in the above topic, but
the sense of progress in what must be the slowest Europa ever to be born is
driving me to share with any who may be farther behind than I.
First of all, all the details I set to achieve prior to gluing the top on
were not met. It became a struggle to do some without leaving out the vital
actions. As a result I have smooth 1/2" ducting to replace wiring which
should have gone in, and hope to squeeze other mods and installations by
wriggling into the abyss.
Secondly, without the push of a nearby (2 hr) fellow builder, one David
Miller who is now well ahead of me in completion, I might never have done
it. That's a given.
Third, having that morning sanded all potential surfaces, I built two
containers of 420 at 210gm total each (150 plus 60) and very lightly brushed
the merest layer of same on the canoe surfaces marked as applicable - and
noted the time.
Four, the amount of flox stirred in cannot be easily measured, but I think
one may safely add more flox than just to avoid slopping from too little.
This is what David prescribed. I added more to provide more bulk, as some
layers seemed not to provide the bulk the clearances appeared to need.
Five, the task needed about 2 hours for the job, although the slopping of
420 on all surfaces was achieved in under 20 minutes using plastic tubs,
well stirred with tongue depressors. I had applied the "splash" technique
(pioneered by paul Stewart I believe and and engendered by GraSing) to the
original bulkhead arch (which I cut down to a three-inch arc for strength),
the revised second bulkhead 14inches behind the first which goes the whole
route from keel to fuse top, the top of the mass-balance tower and the rear
bulkhead, plus the later model rudder post.
We then walked the top indoors, held it overhead and lowered it into
position - badly. The result was some of the 420 was scraped off the canoe,
both at the widest part (near bulkhead one), at the upper corner of the aft
joggle (where the top refused initially squeeze wide enough to conform) and
the 'wings' of the top where they overlie the rudderpost.
Shocked at the little 'greening' of the canoe overlap (showing where 420 had
squidged onto both surfaces) - much like you found with the cockpit
insertion - I assembled a league of drill-screws (those which have a small
drill, followed by threads incorporated) of the 1/4inch hexagonal drive
head - #8x1/2inch long. Where green was sparse, I drilled in and cinched a
drillscrew and was chuffed to see green expand. Unfortunately, this turned
into a selfserving act of desperation which culiminated in a torrent of
these devices to whit -121 in all, Some were at 20 inch spacings and some
2-3 inches apart.
Six, aftermath.......... In spite of all urging, praying and foul language,
not all spaces turned green - I would say about 5% or less remains
improperly gooped. It will be 0% when I add injected 420 pure syrup via
1/16inch drill holes later today, as the bright backlight inside reveals all
outside.
I also kept the tubs and weighed them for residue and unused goop. 31.8gm -
not bad as potentially wasted material I thought. So the amount used was
420gm - 31.8 = 388gm.
Conclusions -
[a] Everything behind the massbalance tower should be in place. I am
convinced that no human contact with the nether world behind that is wanted.
[2] Prepare the surfaces for adherence as close to H-hour as you can. I
used a small electric sander which did the job in about 15 minutes.
[3] For two people (three if a qualified goop mixer is contracted for)
two pots of about 200gms or so plus the makings of an additonal 20gms of
yellow paste should do the job. You may want to make one at a time, or make
two smaller lots, but the advantage of two daubers at once is a
time-sensitive thing, and really worth it.
[4] Give each surface the amount of goop it deserves. If excess squeezes
out in the event, you should have time to scrape it away and apply it
elsewhere if you've been timely in application. We found the compound to be
thickening within the hour, and useful for about another thrirty minutes
after that - perhaps a bit longer.
[5] Jam sticks in place insidse to wedge the top 'open' at the flanges,
tied to pieces of cord which you can yank on to remove when in position.
Manoeuvre the top cautiously down from above and when both sides are happy,
plunk into place, giving early priority to the firewall surface. We found
the upward joggle near the tail to be deficient by about 1/4inch, which may
not now be the case (kit purchased in 1997).
[6] Have several smaller projects requiring 420 on standby for excess.
The sooner the daubing is done, the sooner excess can be redirected and the
less the waste.
[7] Do NOT daub the top's flanges. The advantage is the confirmation of
wetting of both sides of the joggle flange when 420 wets the top and shows
through visibly. I believe this outranks the pre-wetting of surfaces on the
canoe.
[8] Remove the drillscrews after about 7-8 hours. I found few of them
tainted sufficiently to refuse to undo. The use of 1/4inch hexheads was an
enormous advantage as the lowly elec. drill made the job a pushover. I
counted them while watching The Right Stuff on TV.
It is so visible a step, the triumph of this stage may save my
marriage - . And we get back half of the guest bedroom for original
purposes. Review sentence one again.
Hope this was not too wordy, but that it serves some other poor fish.
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Putting on the top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Ferg, outstanding post! Do you have any photos?
Steved.
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| Subject: | Short Links to Builders photo Albums |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Thanks to Josok and Teemu, Mod_rewrite is now enabled on the Forum.
What does this mean? Simply:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?
set_albumName=FlyingEuropas&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=v
iew_album.php
is now:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/FlyingEuropas
Oh, that big long URL is still there, we just tricked the link to go to
the right spot.
I only know enough to get this to work for each albums main menu page.
If anyone on the list knows how to do mod_rewrite coding, please email
me off list, I'm stuck, Thanks.
Links to your albums main pages are:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/FlyingEuropas
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/Builders-Album
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/G-GIDY
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/A252
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/PTAG
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ELRoto
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N224XS
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyPA184
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/DanBish
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/WileE
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/kit600
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/SteveD
The only way to test this fully is to release it. Please report any
errors to me off list or PM me on the Forum.
Thanks,
Steved.
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| Subject: | Drop-of -the-hat Mon19th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
The weather looks good for tomorrow 19th, so I propose to nominate Huddersfield
for this weeks ( 1st ? ) d-o-t-h, on Monday. Apparently there is a good
pub nearby for lunch. Voucher in Pilot
Cheers, Paddy Clarke
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Too true, Ferg, about yet another tax. I declared the weight of my Europa just
below the 1370
pounds to escape the tax.
The weight definition for the Bureaucrats is the weight you are on the climp test
flight. So, whoever declared 1500 must have had that weight on their test flight.
In my case, I just guestimated it as the scales from the local airport
were a load of crap.
Cheers, Karl
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| Subject: | Re: Putting on the top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Ferg,
That made me tired just reading it. Whew! But, congratulations on the
milestone. Now your canoe has become a submarine... :)
When we bonded the top on A055, last week, we used 6 people. But before
doing the deed, we made a dry run, placing unpulled rivets at strategic
points to make sure the top was aligned properly. The starboard side of
the fin had to be a bit higher, on the flange, than the port, to align
the fin. Once that was done, one person mixed the 420 and flox and
divided the mix into two cups. Two people, starting at the rear of the
fuselage, spread the mix along the flange until they met at the front.
When ready to set the top on, four people, two on each side, lifted the
top on and pulled out on the sides, to avoid letting it touch the
lower. I set three rivets on the firewall flange, then started down one
side for a few feet, then switched to the other side, until I reached
the rear, using only the predrilled holes. Once that was done, I
started setting drill point screws about every 8". Once the screws were
in, we started scraping off the excess, which I applied to the fuel
filler molding, to attach it to the cap. What little was left over was
used to make sure all the seams were filled level. The whole process
took about two hours, including the dry run. I did not use the "splash"
technique on the rear bulkhead or mass balance bulkhead, but laying them
up, the next day, was no problem. Since then, the fin ribs and
sternpost are in, and the rudder and sternpost flanges are trimmed and
ready to attach, permantly. That will have to wait until the fin tip is
bonded. Waiting on the tail strobe to arrive, to insure the wiring is
correct, before doing that.
Again, congratulations on this milestone. It feels good, doesn't it?
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>Hello -
>I may be five years late in discussing my experience in the above topic, but
>the sense of progress in what must be the slowest Europa ever to be born is
>driving me to share with any who may be farther behind than I.
>First of all, all the details I set to achieve prior to gluing the top on
>were not met. It became a struggle to do some without leaving out the vital
>actions. As a result I have smooth 1/2" ducting to replace wiring which
>should have gone in, and hope to squeeze other mods and installations by
>wriggling into the abyss.
>Secondly, without the push of a nearby (2 hr) fellow builder, one David
>Miller who is now well ahead of me in completion, I might never have done
>it. That's a given.
>Third, having that morning sanded all potential surfaces, I built two
>containers of 420 at 210gm total each (150 plus 60) and very lightly brushed
>the merest layer of same on the canoe surfaces marked as applicable - and
>noted the time.
>Four, the amount of flox stirred in cannot be easily measured, but I think
>one may safely add more flox than just to avoid slopping from too little.
>This is what David prescribed. I added more to provide more bulk, as some
>layers seemed not to provide the bulk the clearances appeared to need.
>Five, the task needed about 2 hours for the job, although the slopping of
>420 on all surfaces was achieved in under 20 minutes using plastic tubs,
>well stirred with tongue depressors. I had applied the "splash" technique
>(pioneered by paul Stewart I believe and and engendered by GraSing) to the
>original bulkhead arch (which I cut down to a three-inch arc for strength),
>the revised second bulkhead 14inches behind the first which goes the whole
>route from keel to fuse top, the top of the mass-balance tower and the rear
>bulkhead, plus the later model rudder post.
>We then walked the top indoors, held it overhead and lowered it into
>position - badly. The result was some of the 420 was scraped off the canoe,
>both at the widest part (near bulkhead one), at the upper corner of the aft
>joggle (where the top refused initially squeeze wide enough to conform) and
>the 'wings' of the top where they overlie the rudderpost.
>Shocked at the little 'greening' of the canoe overlap (showing where 420 had
>squidged onto both surfaces) - much like you found with the cockpit
>insertion - I assembled a league of drill-screws (those which have a small
>drill, followed by threads incorporated) of the 1/4inch hexagonal drive
>head - #8x1/2inch long. Where green was sparse, I drilled in and cinched a
>drillscrew and was chuffed to see green expand. Unfortunately, this turned
>into a selfserving act of desperation which culiminated in a torrent of
>these devices to whit -121 in all, Some were at 20 inch spacings and some
>2-3 inches apart.
>Six, aftermath.......... In spite of all urging, praying and foul language,
>not all spaces turned green - I would say about 5% or less remains
>improperly gooped. It will be 0% when I add injected 420 pure syrup via
>1/16inch drill holes later today, as the bright backlight inside reveals all
>outside.
>I also kept the tubs and weighed them for residue and unused goop. 31.8gm -
>not bad as potentially wasted material I thought. So the amount used was
>420gm - 31.8 = 388gm.
>
>Conclusions -
>[a] Everything behind the massbalance tower should be in place. I am
>convinced that no human contact with the nether world behind that is wanted.
>[2] Prepare the surfaces for adherence as close to H-hour as you can. I
>used a small electric sander which did the job in about 15 minutes.
>[3] For two people (three if a qualified goop mixer is contracted for)
>two pots of about 200gms or so plus the makings of an additonal 20gms of
>yellow paste should do the job. You may want to make one at a time, or make
>two smaller lots, but the advantage of two daubers at once is a
>time-sensitive thing, and really worth it.
>[4] Give each surface the amount of goop it deserves. If excess squeezes
>out in the event, you should have time to scrape it away and apply it
>elsewhere if you've been timely in application. We found the compound to be
>thickening within the hour, and useful for about another thrirty minutes
>after that - perhaps a bit longer.
>[5] Jam sticks in place insidse to wedge the top 'open' at the flanges,
>tied to pieces of cord which you can yank on to remove when in position.
>Manoeuvre the top cautiously down from above and when both sides are happy,
>plunk into place, giving early priority to the firewall surface. We found
>the upward joggle near the tail to be deficient by about 1/4inch, which may
>not now be the case (kit purchased in 1997).
>[6] Have several smaller projects requiring 420 on standby for excess.
>The sooner the daubing is done, the sooner excess can be redirected and the
>less the waste.
>[7] Do NOT daub the top's flanges. The advantage is the confirmation of
>wetting of both sides of the joggle flange when 420 wets the top and shows
>through visibly. I believe this outranks the pre-wetting of surfaces on the
>canoe.
>[8] Remove the drillscrews after about 7-8 hours. I found few of them
>tainted sufficiently to refuse to undo. The use of 1/4inch hexheads was an
>enormous advantage as the lowly elec. drill made the job a pushover. I
>counted them while watching The Right Stuff on TV.
> It is so visible a step, the triumph of this stage may save my
>marriage - . And we get back half of the guest bedroom for original
>purposes. Review sentence one again.
>Hope this was not too wordy, but that it serves some other poor fish.
>Cheers, Ferg
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | max gross weight [was: unhelpful digest reference] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-07-17 06:34 -0500 cgalley wrote:
>The builder is in charge and can make any changes he feels comfortable with.
>If the FAA will permit the plane
>to fly its test phase then you are good to go. They are looking for
>construction quality, W&B and proper paper work
Cy - "W&B" - that's weight & balance, so aren't they looking for a
weight that is appropriate to the airframe design rules? Or are they
going to be happy with any old weight you stick on the form? Surely
the FAA won't accept it if the builder says "I am comfortable for my
Europa to have a MGW of 3600 pounds", for instance.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Riveting aileron hinges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Rowland,
I gotta ask - what's your technique for making the holes in the vee BELOW
the hinge holes bigger than the hinge holes????
In reality 1/8" works just fine - it's just the break-head that enters the
hole in the vee, and that doesn=92t swell in diameter. Also it pulls clear of
the hole very quickly.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Riveting aileron hinges
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-07-16 21:22 -0700 Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>When attempting to rivet the hinges in place, I
>discovered that there is not enough verical space in
>the leading edge "V" to accomodate the rivet tails
>I have two options: drill small holes
Andrew - drill the holes. Better make them a bit larger than 1/8" as
the first thing that happens as you start to pull the rivet is that
the shank swells at the tail end. You don't want that bulge to seize
in the hole and pull out a patch of layup with it as you squeeze
further. Afterwards you can fill the holes with flox if you wish, but
there's not much room for manoeuvre in there even after pulling the
rivets.
Don't try to push the rivet heads down as you snap them, because it's
highly likely you won't manage it successfully. If the heads aren't
down tight onto the countersink you made, then they aren't providing
adequate holding strength & location for the hinges, and that's much
worse news than any cosmetic shortcomings!
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Just wondering if anyone out there has fitted an autopilot (EZ Pilot, Navaid, etc.)
after the cockpit module has gone in. Would like to still fit it under the
port seat but would like some advice on making the necessary connections at
this stage. Bought my kit with the CM already in. Advice and/or photos appreciated.
Thanks,
Dan Bish
A144
Tucson, AZ
Empennange and mass balance tower finished, headed to the fuel system.
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| Subject: | Riveting aileron hinges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-07-18 22:15 +0100 Jeremy Davey wrote:
>I gotta ask - what's your technique for making the holes in the vee BELOW
>the hinge holes bigger than the hinge holes????
Jeremy - just goes to show you can't believe everything you read on
this internet thingamajig!
I was sure when I wrote it that I had done it, but on thinking
clearly about the geometry, I can't imagine how it would have been
achieved.
Advantage Davey.
regards
Rowland
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| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Dan,
The Europa Club mod for fitting a Navaid is designed to be used
after-the-fact. I've used a TruTrack, but based it mostly on the Navaid
version, and I reckon you could do it that way, too - although fitting the
servo will be even more of a pain through those small apertures!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bish
Subject: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Just wondering if anyone out there has fitted an autopilot (EZ Pilot,
Navaid, etc.) after the cockpit module has gone in. Would like to still fit
it under the port seat but would like some advice on making the necessary
connections at this stage. Bought my kit with the CM already in. Advice
and/or photos appreciated.
Thanks,
Dan Bish
A144
Tucson, AZ
Empennange and mass balance tower finished, headed to the fuel system.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Thanks Jeremy. I'll have a look there.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Dan,
>
> The Europa Club mod for fitting a Navaid is designed to be used
> after-the-fact. I've used a TruTrack, but based it mostly on the Navaid
> version, and I reckon you could do it that way, too - although fitting the
> servo will be even more of a pain through those small apertures!
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
>
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bish
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
>
> Just wondering if anyone out there has fitted an autopilot (EZ Pilot,
> Navaid, etc.) after the cockpit module has gone in. Would like to still
fit
> it under the port seat but would like some advice on making the necessary
> connections at this stage. Bought my kit with the CM already in. Advice
> and/or photos appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Bish
> A144
> Tucson, AZ
> Empennange and mass balance tower finished, headed to the fuel system.
>
>
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| Subject: | Trio Auto Pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Dan and co,
Have a close look at
http://www.trioavionics.com/
These are the most featured autopilot heads and the Navaid servo can be
placed under your right knee. If ever it was to bind or cause you grief, at
least if you could reach the actuator, imagining single pilot, and you
installed a quick release, well you can always manually ditch it.
I will be buying one of these as soon as the Aussie dollar firms up, maybe
election time.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: max gross weight [was: unhelpful digest reference] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
The W&B is that determination that the plane's center of gravity is in a
proper place for stabile flight at that loading position and weight. At max
gross the C.G. still must fall in the proper place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Europa-List: max gross weight [was: unhelpful digest reference]
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> At 2004-07-17 06:34 -0500 cgalley wrote:
>
> >The builder is in charge and can make any changes he feels comfortable
with.
>
> >If the FAA will permit the plane
> >to fly its test phase then you are good to go. They are looking for
> >construction quality, W&B and proper paper work
>
> Cy - "W&B" - that's weight & balance, so aren't they looking for a
> weight that is appropriate to the airframe design rules? Or are they
> going to be happy with any old weight you stick on the form? Surely
> the FAA won't accept it if the builder says "I am comfortable for my
> Europa to have a MGW of 3600 pounds", for instance.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Dan
I fit a TruTrak after the module went in and installing the servo was
easy. It is under the copilot seat and in the event of a failure, you
do not have to disconnect it as it is easily "overpowered" with little
effort. Read about TruTrak in the last Sport Aviation. I do have some
photos of the servo installation. There latest unit is light, has solid
state servos and gives you a turn coordinator and digital headings and
takes directions from a GPS! They are a pleasure to deal with.
Tom XS Jab Airmaster mono Atascadero CA N96V
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bish
Subject: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish"
<danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Just wondering if anyone out there has fitted an autopilot (EZ Pilot,
Navaid, etc.) after the cockpit module has gone in. Would like to still
fit it under the port seat but would like some advice on making the
necessary connections at this stage. Bought my kit with the CM already
in. Advice and/or photos appreciated.
Thanks,
Dan Bish
A144
Tucson, AZ
Empennange and mass balance tower finished, headed to the fuel system.
==
==
==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Dan
I too installed DigiTrack after the CM was bonded in. I put the servo in
the outboard compartment under the Copilot's knees. It is mounted to a plat
that covers the opening. The arm is foreword and is covered with a faring .
The arm is very short and connects to the base of the control stick
gooseneck. Works for me.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
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| Subject: | Aileron Lateral Pushrod Adjustment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
I have just installed the lateral pushrod and bellcranks onto my starboard wing.
The manual says to thread the pushrod into the rod end bearings so they are
threaded equally. Is the number of threads exposed critical or is it only important
to have them threaded equally? I installed the rod so as to have about
two threads exposed on each end but this is just a guess right now on my part.
Dave Simenauer
A101
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
I have my Digitrack installed the same way and it works fine.
Ken Carpenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Dan
>
> I too installed DigiTrack after the CM was bonded in. I put the servo in
> the outboard compartment under the Copilot's knees. It is mounted to a
plat
> that covers the opening. The arm is foreword and is covered with a faring
.
> The arm is very short and connects to the base of the control stick
> gooseneck. Works for me.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
>
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| Subject: | static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much helpful
stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of airspeed and
altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the Lakeland, Florida
office but they told me they had no idea when they might get them in.
Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the air?
This is very frustrating
Paul Boulet, N914PB
Malibu, CA
Still need to fly the 40 hours off
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Auto Pilot |
2.6 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
I also have the Digitrak and will be upgrading to the Pictorial Pilot
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ttfsdigiflightslick.html
"This autopilot combines the superb performance of our Digitrak with a real aircraft
flight instrument, the pictorial turn coordinator"
"beecho at beecho.org"
"It is under the copilot seat and in the event of a failure, you do not have to
disconnect it as it is easily "overpowered" with little effort."
The stepper motor is attached to the torque arm with a friction plate. Held on
with one metal and two plastic screws. The large center screw is a center pivot.
So with a little more effort you can shear the stepper motor from your controls
if it becomes electrically or mechanically locked.
Steved.
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http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewtopic.php?p=935#935
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| Subject: | static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in
the air? This is very frustrating
You could try using internal static which means that all you need to
worry about is a 1/4" tube with a bend in it for your pitot.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Lateral Pushrod Adjustment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
David Simenauer wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
>
>I have just installed the lateral pushrod and bellcranks onto my starboard wing.
The manual says to thread the pushrod into the rod end bearings so they are
threaded equally. Is the number of threads exposed critical or is it only
important to have them threaded equally? I installed the rod so as to have about
two threads exposed on each end but this is just a guess right now on my part.
>
>Dave Simenauer
>A101
>
>
>
>
Dave,
At the moment, your guesstimate is fine. You'll be readjusting the rod,
when you fit the ailerons to the wing. Basically the quick connect
bellcrank will need to be at 90 degrees to the centerline of the two
main spar pin holes, when the aileron is in the neutral position. Rule
of thumb is that you should have 1.5 times the diameter of the bolt,
inserted in the tube.
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
>
>
>>>Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in
>>>
>>>
>the air? This is very frustrating
>
>You could try using internal static which means that all you need to
>worry about is a 1/4" tube with a bend in it for your pitot.
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>
A question while on the static tube subject. I "assume" the static tube
is the lower one, with the black insert. How does a tube, facing into
the wind stream supply "static" air? I've seen tubes that are plugged
on the end, with holes on the side, but not in the configuration that
the Europa supply vent supplies... Any help would be appreciated...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Lateral Pushrod Adjustment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Dave,
There is a specification and I think it is 2 1/2 times the diameter in
buried thread max within the female end. The female end needs a certain
amount of the male within it to take the load adaquately. On the standard
thread, which I forget how many turns it is, I think it is about 12 turns
from "all the way in, back out" as the max you can have the rod ends
extended. The manual ballparks and often says to do the setup with the rod
ends approximately 1/2 wound on, or 1/2 " or something like that, I forget
now. It is close enought to 8-10 mm max as I recall. Andy knows the specs
if you need them more exact than that, but the simple answer is not to wind
them too far out, as there will not be enough buried male portion to act
appropriately as a transmitter of forces. It probably isn't crucial as the
applied forces are way above what I am sure the rod ends can accept, and
also they can't undo once you've set it up properly.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 10:23 AM 7/19/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
>
>I have just installed the lateral pushrod and bellcranks onto my starboard
>wing. The manual says to thread the pushrod into the rod end bearings so
>they are threaded equally. Is the number of threads exposed critical or
>is it only important to have them threaded equally? I installed the rod
>so as to have about two threads exposed on each end but this is just a
>guess right now on my part.
>
>Dave Simenauer
>A101
>
>
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| Subject: | static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
A question while on the static tube subject. I "assume" the static tube
is the lower one, with the black insert. How does a tube, facing into
the wind stream supply "static" air? I've seen tubes that are plugged
on the end, with holes on the side, but not in the configuration that
the Europa supply vent supplies... Any help would be appreciated...
There are two small holes in the black plastic insert.
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I fitted a Trutrak Digitrak under the passenger seat after looking at Steve
Dunsmuir's pictures. He did it before the module went in; I did it after. I
made access doors in the seat bottom to get to the machine itself and to get
to the torque tube to attach the little drive arm. The whole thing is
enclosed under the seat with covers over the openings.
I just ordered the "pictorial pilot" turn and bank display.
Have you seen the article on Trutrak in Sport Aviation?
Kevin, A211
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Bish
Subject: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Just wondering if anyone out there has fitted an autopilot (EZ Pilot,
Navaid, etc.) after the cockpit module has gone in. Would like to still fit
it under the port seat but would like some advice on making the necessary
connections at this stage. Bought my kit with the CM already in. Advice
and/or photos appreciated.
Thanks,
Dan Bish
A144
Tucson, AZ
Empennange and mass balance tower finished, headed to the fuel system.
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| Subject: | Re: static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
>A question while on the static tube subject. I "assume" the static tube
>is the lower one, with the black insert. How does a tube, facing into
>the wind stream supply "static" air? I've seen tubes that are plugged
>on the end, with holes on the side, but not in the configuration that
>the Europa supply vent supplies... Any help would be appreciated...
>
>There are two small holes in the black plastic insert.
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>
Now it makes sense. Thanks...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: max gross weight [was: unhelpful digest reference] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Europa-List: max gross weight [was: unhelpful digest reference]
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
|
| At 2004-07-17 06:34 -0500 cgalley wrote:
|
| >The builder is in charge and can make any changes he feels comfortable
with.
|
| >If the FAA will permit the plane
| >to fly its test phase then you are good to go. They are looking for
| >construction quality, W&B and proper paper work
|
| Cy - "W&B" - that's weight & balance, so aren't they looking for a
| weight that is appropriate to the airframe design rules? Or are they
| going to be happy with any old weight you stick on the form? Surely
| the FAA won't accept it if the builder says "I am comfortable for my
| Europa to have a MGW of 3600 pounds", for instance.
|
| regards
|
Rowland,
Well as Karl Heindl reminded me, you choose a weight here with which
to complete the climb check for registration. That's the weight they tag as
max. AUW. (In Canada, they also tax you annually at that weight). So I
guess the aeronautically-correct answer is - what it's worth as a money
grab.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Riveting aileron hinges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
The same 3.3mm drill used for the hinges worked fine
for the rivets. Actually it was difficult to _not_
make a hole below the "V" when you drill through the
hinges. Due to the proximity of the two surfaces of
the "V", once the drill pops out of the flange, it
hits the next surface almost immediately and makes a
hole.
--- Jeremy Davey <europaflyer_3@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Rowland,
>
> I gotta ask - what's your technique for making the
> holes in the vee BELOW
> the hinge holes bigger than the hinge holes????
>
> In reality 1/8" works just fine - it's just the
> break-head that enters the
> hole in the vee, and that doesn=92t swell in
> diameter. Also it pulls clear of
> the hole very quickly.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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| Subject: | Another aileron riveting question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
How important is the rivet positions on the aileron
flange? I made a booboo and drilled a hole in the
wrong spot (I got the back and front rows of holes
mixed up because I was looking at the manual upside
down). I am almost certain that this is not a big
deal, but I want a sanity check.
The following figure shows the desired rivet holes as
per manual:
--------HINGE--------
o o o o
o o o
This is what I did:
--------HINGE--------
o o o o
o o o
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http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
I'll check it out, thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> I fitted a Trutrak Digitrak under the passenger seat after looking at
Steve
> Dunsmuir's pictures. He did it before the module went in; I did it after.
I
> made access doors in the seat bottom to get to the machine itself and to
get
> to the torque tube to attach the little drive arm. The whole thing is
> enclosed under the seat with covers over the openings.
>
> I just ordered the "pictorial pilot" turn and bank display.
> Have you seen the article on Trutrak in Sport Aviation?
> Kevin, A211
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Bish
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
>
> Just wondering if anyone out there has fitted an autopilot (EZ Pilot,
> Navaid, etc.) after the cockpit module has gone in. Would like to still
fit
> it under the port seat but would like some advice on making the necessary
> connections at this stage. Bought my kit with the CM already in. Advice
> and/or photos appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Bish
> A144
> Tucson, AZ
> Empennange and mass balance tower finished, headed to the fuel system.
>
>
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