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1. 01:34 AM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (John Cliff)
2. 02:14 AM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (Jeremy Davey)
3. 02:57 AM - Rutan tour - info for anyone interested (Jeremy Davey)
4. 04:04 AM - Re: static port problems (Andy Draper)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (JWHanna@aol.com)
6. 11:23 AM - Re: Rutan tour - info for anyone interested (Duncan McFadyean)
7. 12:15 PM - europa flyer delivery (Rowland Carson)
8. 12:45 PM - Re: Auto Pilot ()
9. 01:26 PM - Re: static port problems (Steve Hagar)
10. 02:22 PM - Kim Prout's e-mail adress (Europa (Alfred Buess))
11. 03:22 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 07/18/04 (Graham Singleton)
12. 04:01 PM - Re: Another aileron riveting question (Rocketman)
13. 04:16 PM - Re: Kim Prout's e-mail adress (Jim Thursby)
14. 04:45 PM - Re: europa flyer delivery (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
15. 05:02 PM - Re: Kim Prout's e-mail adress (Paul Boulet)
16. 09:05 PM - Re: static port problems (N914RB)
17. 10:07 PM - Re: static port problems (Paul Boulet)
18. 11:22 PM - Re: static port problems (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting aileron hinges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> >I gotta ask - what's your technique for making the holes in the vee BELOW
> >the hinge holes bigger than the hinge holes????
>
> Jeremy - just goes to show you can't believe everything you read on
> this internet thingamajig!
>
> I was sure when I wrote it that I had done it, but on thinking
> clearly about the geometry, I can't imagine how it would have been
> achieved.
>
> Advantage Davey.
You take an old cleco and grind a cutting edge into the offset tip, then use it
as a boring tool (with the shank oiled) through the hinge hole.
Deuce ! ( only kidding, I used a standard drill too ...)
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | Riveting aileron hinges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
" The same 3.3mm drill used for the hinges worked fine
for the rivets. Actually it was difficult to _not_
make a hole below the "V" when you drill through the
hinges. Due to the proximity of the two surfaces of
the "V", once the drill pops out of the flange, it
hits the next surface almost immediately and makes a
hole."
Indeed - it's a good idea to put a thin Al plate under the hinge when
drilling to protect the vee - although as previously discussed, you'll
probably end up having to put holes in it.
As an item of interest, the glider wing ailerons are so thin that the vee is
even tighter and there is no option but to put the holes in it in order to
pull the rivets.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Riveting aileron hinges
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
The same 3.3mm drill used for the hinges worked fine
for the rivets. Actually it was difficult to _not_
make a hole below the "V" when you drill through the
hinges. Due to the proximity of the two surfaces of
the "V", once the drill pops out of the flange, it
hits the next surface almost immediately and makes a
hole.
--- Jeremy Davey <europaflyer_3@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Rowland,
>
> I gotta ask - what's your technique for making the
> holes in the vee BELOW
> the hinge holes bigger than the hinge holes????
>
> In reality 1/8" works just fine - it's just the
> break-head that enters the
> hole in the vee, and that doesn=92t swell in
> diameter. Also it pulls clear of
> the hole very quickly.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
__________________________________
http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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| Subject: | Rutan tour - info for anyone interested |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Looking into other options for seeing Dick and Burt Rutan while they=92re over
here, I found out they=92re also doing their lecture in London and
somewhere-TBS-in-Fife.
=93The lecture series will begin in London on the 5th of August at the Royal
Aeronautical Society Headquarters, 4 Hamilton place. Coffee and biscuits
will be served at 19.00 hrs followed by the lecture at 19.30. Price =A379 plus
VAT.=94
The IoM lecture is 40 quid, but no tea or coffee.
Phew=85.!!! That=92s about US$170! I regret I don=92t have that sort of money
spare as I=92d have given my right arm to hear those guys. :-(
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Dear Paul,
There is a limited number of the static probes in stock in the UK. Cost is 3.34
pounds plus P+P. Please let me know if you'd like to order one.
Regards
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: Europa-List: static port problems
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much helpful
stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of airspeed and
altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the Lakeland, Florida
office but they told me they had no idea when they might get them in.
Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the air?
This is very frustrating
Paul Boulet, N914PB
Malibu, CA
Still need to fly the 40 hours off
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| Subject: | Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JWHanna@aol.com
Sorry I will not be at Oshkosh. Didn't get the necessary work done on my
plane to fly there.
John Hanna
N741JH
Europa XS, 914 Turbo, Airmaster, 85 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Rutan tour - info for anyone interested |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
They just priced themselves out of the market I guess. Unless their lecture
will tell me how to get another 10mph!
Not sure that there'll be a very big audience at that well known centre of
aeronautical excellence, the Isle of Man.
Duncan Mcf.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Rutan tour - info for anyone interested
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Looking into other options for seeing Dick and Burt Rutan while they=92re
over
> here, I found out they=92re also doing their lecture in London and
> somewhere-TBS-in-Fife.
>
>
> =93The lecture series will begin in London on the 5th of August at the
Royal
> Aeronautical Society Headquarters, 4 Hamilton place. Coffee and biscuits
> will be served at 19.00 hrs followed by the lecture at 19.30. Price =A379
plus
> VAT.=94
>
>
> The IoM lecture is 40 quid, but no tea or coffee.
>
>
> Phew=85.!!! That=92s about US$170! I regret I don=92t have that sort of
money
> spare as I=92d have given my right arm to hear those guys. :-(
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
>
> 1200 build hours to date
>
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
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| Subject: | europa flyer delivery |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
I believe the June issue of the Europa Club newsletter was delivered
to most UK members by early last week (say 13th July). Delivery to
overseas members would take a little longer. We normally plan to get
the June issue to people about mid or even early June, so apologies
are in order. The problems were partly at the printing firm and so
not entirely within our control.
I'm getting some feedback that indicates there may be a further
problem; one or two UK people tell me they still haven't received
their copy.
If you are still waiting to receive EF #41, (and if you have paid
your subs!) please contact me direct at <memsec@europaclub.org.uk>
(NOT on the list, please).
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (710 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Dan
I have attempted to send you photos but they bounce with the message:
cannot find host: norwalktuscon.com.
Send me your address.
Tom Friedland
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bish
Subject: Europa-List: Auto Pilot
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish"
<danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Just wondering if anyone out there has fitted an autopilot (EZ Pilot,
Navaid, etc.) after the cockpit module has gone in. Would like to still
fit it under the port seat but would like some advice on making the
necessary connections at this stage. Bought my kit with the CM already
in. Advice and/or photos appreciated.
Thanks,
Dan Bish
A144
Tucson, AZ
Empennange and mass balance tower finished, headed to the fuel system.
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Paul:
The easiest thing to do is to take your old one and measure it up to make a
drawing or sketch, and give to a machinest. It looks like a prime candidate
to be turned from a piece of 1/4" aluminum bar stock. Mine busted also and
that's what I'm planning on doing.
Steve
A143 Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/18/04 5:46:15 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: static port problems
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All;
> I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much
helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of
airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the
Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might
get them in.
>
> Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the
air? This is very frustrating
>
> Paul Boulet, N914PB
> Malibu, CA
> Still need to fly the 40 hours off
>
>
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| Subject: | Kim Prout's e-mail adress |
0.5 MIME_BASE64_LATIN RAW: Latin alphabet text using base64 encoding
1.0 MIME_BASE64_TEXT RAW: Message text disguised using base64 encoding
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
E-mails sent to Kim Prout's adress <kpav@uia.net> are undeliverable.
Does anyone have a valid e-mail adress of Kim?
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32
E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 07/18/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 18/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Dan
>
>I too installed DigiTrack after the CM was bonded in. I put the servo in
>the outboard compartment under the Copilot's knees. It is mounted to a plat
>that covers the opening. The arm is foreword and is covered with a faring .
>The arm is very short and connects to the base of the control stick
>gooseneck. Works for me.
>
>Cliff Shaw
IMHO this is the definitive way to do it. No messing with a lever clamped
to the torque tube under the seat. The working bit is easily visible and
accessible too.
It works equally well with the Navaid servo.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Another aileron riveting question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <andrew_europa@yahoo.com>
>
>How important is the rivet positions on the aileron
>flange? I made a booboo and drilled a hole in the
>wrong spot (I got the back and front rows of holes
>mixed up because I was looking at the manual upside
>down). I am almost certain that this is not a big
>deal, but I want a sanity check.
>
>The following figure shows the desired rivet holes as
>per manual:
>
>--------HINGE--------
> o o o o
> o o o
>
>
>This is what I did:
>
>--------HINGE--------
> o o o o
> o o o
>
>
>
Andrew,
I can't imagine that having any structural effect on the strength.
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Kim Prout's e-mail adress |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" <athursby@tampabay.rr.com>
You can reach Kim @ kpaviat [kpaviat@verizon.net]
Jim Thursby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Europa
(Alfred Buess)
Subject: Europa-List: Kim Prout's e-mail adress
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)"
<ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
E-mails sent to Kim Prout's adress <kpav@uia.net> are undeliverable.
Does anyone have a valid e-mail adress of Kim?
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32
E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
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| Subject: | Re: europa flyer delivery |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Rowland,
I do believe that you working too hard, not getting enough sleep, or
breathing some of those epoxy fumes as I have received my # 41 three days ago and
I'm
not only across the pond but less than 100 miles from the next pond over!
And I want to thank you for your always professional and expert work as
MemSec.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Re: Kim Prout's e-mail adress |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
sure...he's at KPAviat@verizon.net
Paul Boulet, N914PB
"Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)"
E-mails sent to Kim Prout's adress are undeliverable.
Does anyone have a valid e-mail adress of Kim?
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32
E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
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| Subject: | Re: static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
I've got a guy here in Tucson that could probably do just that if anybody's
game.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: static port problems
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> Paul:
>
> The easiest thing to do is to take your old one and measure it up to make
a
> drawing or sketch, and give to a machinest. It looks like a prime
candidate
> to be turned from a piece of 1/4" aluminum bar stock. Mine busted also and
> that's what I'm planning on doing.
>
> Steve
> A143 Mesa, AZ
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 7/18/04 5:46:15 PM
> > Subject: Europa-List: static port problems
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi All;
> > I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find
much
> helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of
> airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the
> Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might
> get them in.
> >
> > Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the
> air? This is very frustrating
> >
> > Paul Boulet, N914PB
> > Malibu, CA
> > Still need to fly the 40 hours off
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
sign me up!
Paul Boulet, N914PB
N914RB <n914rb@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB"
I've got a guy here in Tucson that could probably do just that if anybody's
game.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar"
Subject: RE: Europa-List: static port problems
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar"
>
> Paul:
>
> The easiest thing to do is to take your old one and measure it up to make
a
> drawing or sketch, and give to a machinest. It looks like a prime
candidate
> to be turned from a piece of 1/4" aluminum bar stock. Mine busted also and
> that's what I'm planning on doing.
>
> Steve
> A143 Mesa, AZ
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul Boulet
> > To:
> > Date: 7/18/04 5:46:15 PM
> > Subject: Europa-List: static port problems
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet
> >
> > Hi All;
> > I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find
much
> helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of
> airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the
> Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might
> get them in.
> >
> > Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the
> air? This is very frustrating
> >
> > Paul Boulet, N914PB
> > Malibu, CA
> > Still need to fly the 40 hours off
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: static port problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Paul,
A number of Europa pilots have found that venting the static line to cockpit
behind the panel provides a more accurate airspeed reading than using the
wing mounted probe or the original fuselage vents. I did this a long ago
and found it very successful. I now use the
static probe, without its black bung, as another pitot source for
"undercarriage not down" warning. (The PFA will not allow the pitot source
feeding the ASI to be used for anything else) Taking the static tube off
the instruments will get you back into the air very quickly.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: static port problems
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All;
> I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much
helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of
airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the
Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might
get them in.
>
> Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the
air? This is very frustrating
>
> Paul Boulet, N914PB
> Malibu, CA
> Still need to fly the 40 hours off
>
>
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