---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/19/04: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:34 AM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (John Cliff) 2. 02:14 AM - Re: Riveting aileron hinges (Jeremy Davey) 3. 02:57 AM - Rutan tour - info for anyone interested (Jeremy Davey) 4. 04:04 AM - Re: static port problems (Andy Draper) 5. 07:34 AM - Re: US office & Oshkosh Plans (JWHanna@aol.com) 6. 11:23 AM - Re: Rutan tour - info for anyone interested (Duncan McFadyean) 7. 12:15 PM - europa flyer delivery (Rowland Carson) 8. 12:45 PM - Re: Auto Pilot () 9. 01:26 PM - Re: static port problems (Steve Hagar) 10. 02:22 PM - Kim Prout's e-mail adress (Europa (Alfred Buess)) 11. 03:22 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 07/18/04 (Graham Singleton) 12. 04:01 PM - Re: Another aileron riveting question (Rocketman) 13. 04:16 PM - Re: Kim Prout's e-mail adress (Jim Thursby) 14. 04:45 PM - Re: europa flyer delivery (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 15. 05:02 PM - Re: Kim Prout's e-mail adress (Paul Boulet) 16. 09:05 PM - Re: static port problems (N914RB) 17. 10:07 PM - Re: static port problems (Paul Boulet) 18. 11:22 PM - Re: static port problems (William Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:07 AM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Riveting aileron hinges --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > >I gotta ask - what's your technique for making the holes in the vee BELOW > >the hinge holes bigger than the hinge holes???? > > Jeremy - just goes to show you can't believe everything you read on > this internet thingamajig! > > I was sure when I wrote it that I had done it, but on thinking > clearly about the geometry, I can't imagine how it would have been > achieved. > > Advantage Davey. You take an old cleco and grind a cutting edge into the offset tip, then use it as a boring tool (with the shank oiled) through the hinge hole. Deuce ! ( only kidding, I used a standard drill too ...) John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:27 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Riveting aileron hinges --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" " The same 3.3mm drill used for the hinges worked fine for the rivets. Actually it was difficult to _not_ make a hole below the "V" when you drill through the hinges. Due to the proximity of the two surfaces of the "V", once the drill pops out of the flange, it hits the next surface almost immediately and makes a hole." Indeed - it's a good idea to put a thin Al plate under the hinge when drilling to protect the vee - although as previously discussed, you'll probably end up having to put holes in it. As an item of interest, the glider wing ailerons are so thin that the vee is even tighter and there is no option but to put the holes in it in order to pull the rivets. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan Subject: RE: Europa-List: Riveting aileron hinges --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan The same 3.3mm drill used for the hinges worked fine for the rivets. Actually it was difficult to _not_ make a hole below the "V" when you drill through the hinges. Due to the proximity of the two surfaces of the "V", once the drill pops out of the flange, it hits the next surface almost immediately and makes a hole. --- Jeremy Davey wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > > Rowland, > > I gotta ask - what's your technique for making the > holes in the vee BELOW > the hinge holes bigger than the hinge holes???? > > In reality 1/8" works just fine - it's just the > break-head that enters the > hole in the vee, and that doesn=92t swell in > diameter. Also it pulls clear of > the hole very quickly. > > Regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:59 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: Europa-List: Rutan tour - info for anyone interested --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Looking into other options for seeing Dick and Burt Rutan while they=92re over here, I found out they=92re also doing their lecture in London and somewhere-TBS-in-Fife. =93The lecture series will begin in London on the 5th of August at the Royal Aeronautical Society Headquarters, 4 Hamilton place. Coffee and biscuits will be served at 19.00 hrs followed by the lecture at 19.30. Price =A379 plus VAT.=94 The IoM lecture is 40 quid, but no tea or coffee. Phew=85.!!! That=92s about US$170! I regret I don=92t have that sort of money spare as I=92d have given my right arm to hear those guys. :-( Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: static port problems From: "Andy Draper" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" Dear Paul, There is a limited number of the static probes in stock in the UK. Cost is 3.34 pounds plus P+P. Please let me know if you'd like to order one. Regards Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: static port problems --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Hi All; I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might get them in. Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the air? This is very frustrating Paul Boulet, N914PB Malibu, CA Still need to fly the 40 hours off ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:22 AM PST US From: JWHanna@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: US office & Oshkosh Plans --> Europa-List message posted by: JWHanna@aol.com Sorry I will not be at Oshkosh. Didn't get the necessary work done on my plane to fly there. John Hanna N741JH Europa XS, 914 Turbo, Airmaster, 85 hours ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:33 AM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rutan tour - info for anyone interested --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" They just priced themselves out of the market I guess. Unless their lecture will tell me how to get another 10mph! Not sure that there'll be a very big audience at that well known centre of aeronautical excellence, the Isle of Man. Duncan Mcf. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: Europa-List: Rutan tour - info for anyone interested > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > Looking into other options for seeing Dick and Burt Rutan while they=92re over > here, I found out they=92re also doing their lecture in London and > somewhere-TBS-in-Fife. > > > =93The lecture series will begin in London on the 5th of August at the Royal > Aeronautical Society Headquarters, 4 Hamilton place. Coffee and biscuits > will be served at 19.00 hrs followed by the lecture at 19.30. Price =A379 plus > VAT.=94 > > > The IoM lecture is 40 quid, but no tea or coffee. > > > Phew=85.!!! That=92s about US$170! I regret I don=92t have that sort of money > spare as I=92d have given my right arm to hear those guys. :-( > > > Regards, > > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > > 1200 build hours to date > > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:35 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: europa flyer delivery --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson I believe the June issue of the Europa Club newsletter was delivered to most UK members by early last week (say 13th July). Delivery to overseas members would take a little longer. We normally plan to get the June issue to people about mid or even early June, so apologies are in order. The problems were partly at the printing firm and so not entirely within our control. I'm getting some feedback that indicates there may be a further problem; one or two UK people tell me they still haven't received their copy. If you are still waiting to receive EF #41, (and if you have paid your subs!) please contact me direct at (NOT on the list, please). regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (710 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:17 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Auto Pilot --> Europa-List message posted by: Hi Dan I have attempted to send you photos but they bounce with the message: cannot find host: norwalktuscon.com. Send me your address. Tom Friedland -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bish Subject: Europa-List: Auto Pilot --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" Just wondering if anyone out there has fitted an autopilot (EZ Pilot, Navaid, etc.) after the cockpit module has gone in. Would like to still fit it under the port seat but would like some advice on making the necessary connections at this stage. Bought my kit with the CM already in. Advice and/or photos appreciated. Thanks, Dan Bish A144 Tucson, AZ Empennange and mass balance tower finished, headed to the fuel system. == == == == ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:38 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: static port problems --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Paul: The easiest thing to do is to take your old one and measure it up to make a drawing or sketch, and give to a machinest. It looks like a prime candidate to be turned from a piece of 1/4" aluminum bar stock. Mine busted also and that's what I'm planning on doing. Steve A143 Mesa, AZ > [Original Message] > From: Paul Boulet > To: > Date: 7/18/04 5:46:15 PM > Subject: Europa-List: static port problems > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > Hi All; > I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might get them in. > > Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the air? This is very frustrating > > Paul Boulet, N914PB > Malibu, CA > Still need to fly the 40 hours off > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:00 PM PST US From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" Subject: Europa-List: Kim Prout's e-mail adress 0.5 MIME_BASE64_LATIN RAW: Latin alphabet text using base64 encoding 1.0 MIME_BASE64_TEXT RAW: Message text disguised using base64 encoding --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" E-mails sent to Kim Prout's adress are undeliverable. Does anyone have a valid e-mail adress of Kim? Alfred Alfred Buess Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32 E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:18 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 07/18/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 18/07/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Dan > >I too installed DigiTrack after the CM was bonded in. I put the servo in >the outboard compartment under the Copilot's knees. It is mounted to a plat >that covers the opening. The arm is foreword and is covered with a faring . >The arm is very short and connects to the base of the control stick >gooseneck. Works for me. > >Cliff Shaw IMHO this is the definitive way to do it. No messing with a lever clamped to the torque tube under the seat. The working bit is easily visible and accessible too. It works equally well with the Navaid servo. Graham ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:01 PM PST US From: Rocketman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Another aileron riveting question --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman Andrew Sarangan wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan > >How important is the rivet positions on the aileron >flange? I made a booboo and drilled a hole in the >wrong spot (I got the back and front rows of holes >mixed up because I was looking at the manual upside >down). I am almost certain that this is not a big >deal, but I want a sanity check. > >The following figure shows the desired rivet holes as >per manual: > >--------HINGE-------- > o o o o > o o o > > >This is what I did: > >--------HINGE-------- > o o o o > o o o > > > Andrew, I can't imagine that having any structural effect on the strength. Jeff A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:17 PM PST US From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Kim Prout's e-mail adress --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" You can reach Kim @ kpaviat [kpaviat@verizon.net] Jim Thursby -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Europa (Alfred Buess) Subject: Europa-List: Kim Prout's e-mail adress --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" E-mails sent to Kim Prout's adress are undeliverable. Does anyone have a valid e-mail adress of Kim? Alfred Alfred Buess Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32 E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:18 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa flyer delivery --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Rowland, I do believe that you working too hard, not getting enough sleep, or breathing some of those epoxy fumes as I have received my # 41 three days ago and I'm not only across the pond but less than 100 miles from the next pond over! And I want to thank you for your always professional and expert work as MemSec. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:06 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kim Prout's e-mail adress --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet sure...he's at KPAviat@verizon.net Paul Boulet, N914PB "Europa (Alfred Buess)" wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" E-mails sent to Kim Prout's adress are undeliverable. Does anyone have a valid e-mail adress of Kim? Alfred Alfred Buess Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32 E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:12 PM PST US From: "N914RB" Subject: Re: Europa-List: static port problems --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" I've got a guy here in Tucson that could probably do just that if anybody's game. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: static port problems > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" > > Paul: > > The easiest thing to do is to take your old one and measure it up to make a > drawing or sketch, and give to a machinest. It looks like a prime candidate > to be turned from a piece of 1/4" aluminum bar stock. Mine busted also and > that's what I'm planning on doing. > > Steve > A143 Mesa, AZ > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Paul Boulet > > To: > > Date: 7/18/04 5:46:15 PM > > Subject: Europa-List: static port problems > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > > > Hi All; > > I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much > helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of > airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the > Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might > get them in. > > > > Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the > air? This is very frustrating > > > > Paul Boulet, N914PB > > Malibu, CA > > Still need to fly the 40 hours off > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:41 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: static port problems --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet sign me up! Paul Boulet, N914PB N914RB wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" I've got a guy here in Tucson that could probably do just that if anybody's game. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: static port problems > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" > > Paul: > > The easiest thing to do is to take your old one and measure it up to make a > drawing or sketch, and give to a machinest. It looks like a prime candidate > to be turned from a piece of 1/4" aluminum bar stock. Mine busted also and > that's what I'm planning on doing. > > Steve > A143 Mesa, AZ > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Paul Boulet > > To: > > Date: 7/18/04 5:46:15 PM > > Subject: Europa-List: static port problems > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > > > Hi All; > > I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much > helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of > airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the > Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might > get them in. > > > > Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the > air? This is very frustrating > > > > Paul Boulet, N914PB > > Malibu, CA > > Still need to fly the 40 hours off > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:57 PM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: static port problems --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" Paul, A number of Europa pilots have found that venting the static line to cockpit behind the panel provides a more accurate airspeed reading than using the wing mounted probe or the original fuselage vents. I did this a long ago and found it very successful. I now use the static probe, without its black bung, as another pitot source for "undercarriage not down" warning. (The PFA will not allow the pitot source feeding the ASI to be used for anything else) Taking the static tube off the instruments will get you back into the air very quickly. Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" Subject: Europa-List: static port problems > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > Hi All; > I searched archives for text on static port problems and didn't find much helpful stuff. Mine too broke off and I'm getting erroneous readings of airspeed and altitude. I tried ordering another couple of them from the Lakeland, Florida office but they told me they had no idea when they might get them in. > > Does anyone have a good alternative or other ideas to get me back in the air? This is very frustrating > > Paul Boulet, N914PB > Malibu, CA > Still need to fly the 40 hours off > >