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1. 12:58 AM - Seals/Seals/Seals (Tony Renshaw)
2. 03:01 AM - Re: pfa rally feedback requested (Alain)
3. 03:11 AM - Re: pfa rally feedback requested (Runnymede73@aol.com)
4. 04:18 AM - What Future for Europa Customers (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
5. 04:40 AM - Re: What Future for Europa Customers (Gerry Holland)
6. 04:47 AM - Europa electrics ( busbars) (PPalmer007@aol.com)
7. 05:01 AM - Re: Seals/Seals/Seals (David Joyce)
8. 05:18 AM - Re: Seals/Seals/Seals (Jos Okhuijsen)
9. 06:13 AM - Re: Oshkosh / Dave Watts (William Mills)
10. 08:13 AM - Re: fuel filter (Tim Butterworth)
11. 09:09 AM - Re: Europa electrics ( busbars) (Rob Housman)
12. 09:56 AM - Re: Europa electrics ( busbars) (Steve Hagar)
13. 10:39 AM - AW: Europa electrics ( busbars) (Europa (Alfred Buess))
14. 11:16 AM - Re: Isle of Man (Alan Burrows)
15. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: fuel filter (Carl & Dot)
16. 02:32 PM - ampreg supplier (uk) (Rowland Carson)
17. 03:11 PM - Re: AW: Europa electrics ( busbars) (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
18. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: fuel filter (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
19. 10:12 PM - Europa for Sale (Bob Jacobsen)
20. 10:46 PM - AW: AW: Europa electrics ( busbars) (Europa (Alfred Buess))
21. 11:20 PM - Please remove me from the list (Kimmo Kestinen)
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| Subject: | Seals/Seals/Seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I have to say that I am getting tired of dealing with the capabilities of
various seals for both my fuel and brake systems. Whoever comes up with an
inert, stable seal material for all applications will make millions very
happy, few quite unhappy, and themselves very rich. I specifically am
challenged with Viton for fuel systems vs Buna or other materials. I have a
recently purchased a SUCO fuel pressure switch, which is actually an oil
pressure switch. It was sold to me with the assistant highlighting it has
an internal Viton seal. Well, I took a gamble and bought it, but subsequent
to that I have stumbled on something I have read once before on the web
from a Long Eze pilot back in 1988 who had an engine failure directly
attributed to the collapse of a viton component within a Facet pump. For
interest I have pasted the accident summation below.So, I now have
potentially a $85.00 component.
Even in the example below, when the author admits he is using 100LL, which
to my knowledge is not avgas, then quotes the seals in his pumps, Viton, as
being not stable in Avgas, nor Buna N seals. So, unless I got it wrong he
states he is using one type of fuel and then states another will cause the
problem. I can only presume I have this wrong, as why else would an author
write such as speel. If however he did get it wrong, or in fact I did, it
highlights the confusing nature of these issues. They all change again when
you start talking brake fluids, and they vary amongst them too depending on
whether you are talking silicone or synthetic, or petroleum based. So, if
anyone can reassure me that my switch won't rot away to nothing and will
actually do its job in mogas, but not avgas, well it is this type of
definitive statement I want. Or, of course, if there is another path to
clear up this mist, well I'd appreciate it.
LONG-EZ. DEFIANT, ELECTRIC BOOST FUEL PUMP ALERT
From CP57, Page 11 (October, 1988)
Returning to his home base airport after a flight, a Southern
California Long-EZ pilot was approaching the 45 degree entry to downwind
when, abruptly, his engine quit. He was unsuccessful in getting it
restarted but, to his credit, he flew the airplane, announced his situation
and made an uneventful, successful landing. Feeling a little weak around
the knees, he pushed his airplane into his hangar and went home.
The next day, he conducted a careful examination of the aircraft and
discovered that the Facet solid-state fuel pump was completely blocked and
would not allow any fuel to pass through to the engine driven mechanical
pump! One of the two valves in the pump had deteriorated in the 100LL fuel
and had worked its way out of the metal cage that normally prevents this,
and had been sucked into a position that prevented the flow of fuel. The
part number on the mounting flange of this pump was 480615. The plunger
valve was made of VITON- this pump is no longer being manufactured.
Before next flight, check the part number of your pump. If you have
one of the following part numbers 40023, 480615, 480616, remove the pump
and replace it.
The most desirable Facet solid-state pumps that we recommend are part
#40108 for 12 volts and part # 40154 or 480610 for 24 volts. Both pump fuel
at a regulated maximum 6 psi, and the valves in these pumps are pure nyIon
which, other than swelling very slightly in avgas, are not affected nor do
they deteriorate. The design of these valves (the foot valve and the
plunger valve) are such that they cannot physically get into a position
where they can prevent fuel from flowing through the boost pump. Both of
the above pumps have AN-style, 370 flare fittings which fit 3/8" tube, AN
818-6. Nuts.
Facet manufactures over one hundred variations of the small square
solid-state fuel pumps. The above two pumps have AN-type flare fittings
machined right on the pump bodies and we prefer this type because they are
easy to install (no elbows or nipples required), but also because these two
models have only nylon valves, no rubber, Buna, or Viton. Many of FACET's
other models have Viton plunger valves or Buna N check valves and these
will deteriorate in avgas. These are specifically for use in some other
liquid known not to affect these materials.
To check your pump, remove it and look into the inlet and the outlet
using a small flashlight and verify that the inlet valve (foot valve) is a
round, white dome or ball (nylon), not a flat, black rubber disc. Verify
that in the outlet there is a white nylon valve under a steel pin which
crosses the port and retains this valve. If this valve is dark gray or
black (Viton), remove the pump before next flight and discard it. If you
have to a pump with female pipe threads (to accept elbows or nipples) due
to your firewall layout, choose one with 3/8 NPT female threads rather than
the 1/8NPT female threads, but examine it closely to be sure it has while
nylon valves in the inlet and the outlet ports. Discard it if there is any
black or gray Viton, Buna N or rubber valves.
If you have had your Facet fuel pump more than a year or so, you
probably have one that could go bad. AT a cost of approximately $30.00, it
is not worth the risk. Remove it, discard it and install a new one as
called out. We believe that the serious consequences that could result from
a fuel supply stoppage, more than justifies the immediate replacement of
any suspect pump.
We have replaced the boost pumps on Burt's Defiant and on Mike and
Sally's Long-EZ and we recommend in the strongest possible terms that you
do the same.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | pfa rally feedback requested |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alain" <alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
Hello Rowland,
Why they dont make the rally at Cranfieldlike 2 years ago?
It is easy to find a nice room with all comfort for the night.
This year I am not going because I could not find a room less than 38km.
May be next years...
Regards
A.CHABERT
Europa 275 F-PSLY
-----Message d'origine-----
De: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Rowland Carson
Envoy: samedi 24 juillet 2004 17:46
: Europa e-mail list
Objet: Europa-List: pfa rally feedback requested
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
PFA Strut & Squadron co-ordinators have been asked to provide
feedback on the 2004 PFA Rally.
Please let me know (at <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> - DON'T hit the
reply button) if you have any views on the following items, or wish
to make any comments on any other aspects of the Rally.
How important is the rally to you?
What did you like about this year's rally?
What, if anything, did you not like about this year's rally?
What improvements can you suggest for next year?
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: pfa rally feedback requested |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com
from a personal standpoint I felt the Rally was the worst I have been to for
the last 12 years or so. I am sure the PFA staff worked very hard as usual
but many of the exhibitors from previous years did not show and somehow the
atmosphere of past rallies was missing.
bill dewey
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| Subject: | What Future for Europa Customers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Hello Keith,
It has been over two weeks now since your promise of an imminent financial restructuring
of EMIL for the security of Europa's future. As this has been going
on for several weeks already I am extremely disappointed that nothing whatsoever
has appeared on any UK aviation magazine website referring to the state of
EMIL and wonder if this is a deliberate policy of silence by you.
If you care anything of those 1000 plus builders and fliers who are finishing
or operating their Europa, and need parts, fittings or spares to finish and maintain
their aircraft (and which they are presently unable to get from EMIL),
you will release a statement to the aviation press with your future for Europa,
including a timescale for new kit production and delivery, a plan to deal with
the backlog of orders currently paid for but not yet delivered (presently,
we are led to believe, exceeding GBP 100,000), and details of Europa's product
development plans. And what about new customers - what are they being told at
the moment?
If you continue this silence then what will your customers conclude? Any businessman
worth his salt, proud of his product and really interested in the continued
wellbeing of his customers would, at the very least, have contacted all their
customers directly, or already have put out a press release by official channels.
I do not want a personal reply to this email: Your CUSTOMERS look forward to
reading your statement on the Flyer, Pilot and Todays Pilot websites in the next
couple of days. I will be copying this email to the list for their benefit.
Yours,
David Bosomworth
Europa Club Chairman
Europa Kit 67
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| Subject: | Re: What Future for Europa Customers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
>
> Hello Keith,
> It has been over two weeks now since your promise of an imminent financial
> restructuring of EMIL for the security of Europa's future. As this has been
> going on for several weeks already I am extremely disappointed that nothing
> whatsoever has appeared on any UK aviation magazine website referring to the
> state of EMIL and wonder if this is a deliberate policy of silence by you.
Thanks Dave! Although I'm OK at the moment to complete my Europa my
sympathies are for all of those not so lucky and victims of an attitude as
per the first paragraph of your email.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine and Prop getting near to starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit planned.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Europa electrics ( busbars) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: PPalmer007@aol.com
I am trying to determine the best place to position the busbars in my friend
danny's europa three are required. One earth busbar, one avionics busbar,
and the main busbar. I dont want to re-invent the wheel so can anyone out there
help me???
Many thanks Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Seals/Seals/Seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Tony, For what it is worth, I have been running an OEM Automatic fuel
pressure warning switch for two yrs without problem, mostly on Mogas but
with some Avgas. It is fitted with a Viton diaphragm said to be suitable for
gasoline or hydraulic fluid, and it is lifed at 1 million cycles - which I
reckon should be well after supplies of gasoline have run out! Incidentally
it only cost 18 or roughly US$25. Regards, David G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I have to say that I am getting tired of dealing with the capabilities of
> various seals for both my fuel and brake systems. Whoever comes up with an
> inert, stable seal material for all applications will make millions very
> happy, few quite unhappy, and themselves very rich. I specifically am
> challenged with Viton for fuel systems vs Buna or other materials. I have
a
> recently purchased a SUCO fuel pressure switch, which is actually an oil
> pressure switch. It was sold to me with the assistant highlighting it has
> an internal Viton seal. Well, I took a gamble and bought it, but
subsequent
> to that I have stumbled on something I have read once before on the web
> from a Long Eze pilot back in 1988 who had an engine failure directly
> attributed to the collapse of a viton component within a Facet pump>
Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Seals/Seals/Seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Just a quicky: 100LL is avgas here (in Europe too i guess)
second quicky: If i read the story correctly is this not about Vito or
whatever other material, but about a certain batch of fuelpumps with
defects.
Jos Okhuijsen
Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au> kirjoitti Mon, 26 Jul 2004
17:53:45 +1000:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I have to say that I am getting tired of dealing with the capabilities of
> various seals for both my fuel and brake systems. Whoever comes up with
> an
> inert, stable seal material for all applications will make millions very
> happy, few quite unhappy, and themselves very rich. I specifically am
> challenged with Viton for fuel systems vs Buna or other materials. I
> have a
> recently purchased a SUCO fuel pressure switch, which is actually an oil
> pressure switch. It was sold to me with the assistant highlighting it has
> an internal Viton seal. Well, I took a gamble and bought it, but
> subsequent
> to that I have stumbled on something I have read once before on the web
> from a Long Eze pilot back in 1988 who had an engine failure directly
> attributed to the collapse of a viton component within a Facet pump. For
> interest I have pasted the accident summation below.So, I now have
> potentially a $85.00 component.
> Even in the example below, when the author admits he is using 100LL,
> which
> to my knowledge is not avgas, then quotes the seals in his pumps, Viton,
> as
> being not stable in Avgas, nor Buna N seals. So, unless I got it wrong he
> states he is using one type of fuel and then states another will cause
> the
> problem. I can only presume I have this wrong, as why else would an
> author
> write such as speel. If however he did get it wrong, or in fact I did, it
> highlights the confusing nature of these issues. They all change again
> when
> you start talking brake fluids, and they vary amongst them too depending
> on
> whether you are talking silicone or synthetic, or petroleum based. So, if
> anyone can reassure me that my switch won't rot away to nothing and will
> actually do its job in mogas, but not avgas, well it is this type of
> definitive statement I want. Or, of course, if there is another path to
> clear up this mist, well I'd appreciate it.
>
>
> LONG-EZ. DEFIANT, ELECTRIC BOOST FUEL PUMP ALERT
> From CP57, Page 11 (October, 1988)
>
> Returning to his home base airport after a flight, a Southern
> California Long-EZ pilot was approaching the 45 degree entry to downwind
> when, abruptly, his engine quit. He was unsuccessful in getting it
> restarted but, to his credit, he flew the airplane, announced his
> situation
> and made an uneventful, successful landing. Feeling a little weak around
> the knees, he pushed his airplane into his hangar and went home.
> The next day, he conducted a careful examination of the aircraft
> and
> discovered that the Facet solid-state fuel pump was completely blocked
> and
> would not allow any fuel to pass through to the engine driven mechanical
> pump! One of the two valves in the pump had deteriorated in the 100LL
> fuel
> and had worked its way out of the metal cage that normally prevents this,
> and had been sucked into a position that prevented the flow of fuel. The
> part number on the mounting flange of this pump was 480615. The plunger
> valve was made of VITON- this pump is no longer being manufactured.
> Before next flight, check the part number of your pump. If you have
> one of the following part numbers 40023, 480615, 480616, remove the pump
> and replace it.
> The most desirable Facet solid-state pumps that we recommend are
> part
> #40108 for 12 volts and part # 40154 or 480610 for 24 volts. Both pump
> fuel
> at a regulated maximum 6 psi, and the valves in these pumps are pure
> nyIon
> which, other than swelling very slightly in avgas, are not affected nor
> do
> they deteriorate. The design of these valves (the foot valve and the
> plunger valve) are such that they cannot physically get into a position
> where they can prevent fuel from flowing through the boost pump. Both of
> the above pumps have AN-style, 370 flare fittings which fit 3/8" tube, AN
> 818-6. Nuts.
> Facet manufactures over one hundred variations of the small square
> solid-state fuel pumps. The above two pumps have AN-type flare fittings
> machined right on the pump bodies and we prefer this type because they
> are
> easy to install (no elbows or nipples required), but also because these
> two
> models have only nylon valves, no rubber, Buna, or Viton. Many of FACET's
> other models have Viton plunger valves or Buna N check valves and these
> will deteriorate in avgas. These are specifically for use in some other
> liquid known not to affect these materials.
> To check your pump, remove it and look into the inlet and the
> outlet
> using a small flashlight and verify that the inlet valve (foot valve) is
> a
> round, white dome or ball (nylon), not a flat, black rubber disc. Verify
> that in the outlet there is a white nylon valve under a steel pin which
> crosses the port and retains this valve. If this valve is dark gray or
> black (Viton), remove the pump before next flight and discard it. If you
> have to a pump with female pipe threads (to accept elbows or nipples) due
> to your firewall layout, choose one with 3/8 NPT female threads rather
> than
> the 1/8NPT female threads, but examine it closely to be sure it has while
> nylon valves in the inlet and the outlet ports. Discard it if there is
> any
> black or gray Viton, Buna N or rubber valves.
> If you have had your Facet fuel pump more than a year or so, you
> probably have one that could go bad. AT a cost of approximately $30.00,
> it
> is not worth the risk. Remove it, discard it and install a new one as
> called out. We believe that the serious consequences that could result
> from
> a fuel supply stoppage, more than justifies the immediate replacement of
> any suspect pump.
> We have replaced the boost pumps on Burt's Defiant and on Mike and
> Sally's Long-EZ and we recommend in the strongest possible terms that you
> do the same.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh / Dave Watts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Many thanks, Dave.
I suggested I could contact him on his mobile, but he said there was no
coverage at Oshkosh. However, I'll send him one in case it does work
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: <DaveBuzz@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh / Dave Watts
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
>
> William,
> You could try sending him a text - Dave usually has his mobile with him.
His number is in the front of any recent EF.
>
> chus,
> dave
> >
> >Is there anybody in the USA that could relay a message to Dave Watts at
Oshkosh? Dave flew out on Friday and is visiting the show next week.
> >Many thanks,
> >William
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth" <Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
Hi, wishing to put the debate of which filter is best aside for a moment, can anyone
suggest a UK source for the Mr. Funnel F15C, or do I just order from ACS
in the States?
Whilst I am on, I take it that most practical/and safest way of getting clean fuel
from a petrol station to the airfield is 6 or 7 10 litre plastic cans. Seems
a bit long winded? Any better alternatives?
Thanks
Tim
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| Subject: | Europa electrics ( busbars) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
The place to go for the best information and advice on electrical systems is
http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and the Aero-Electric List (subscribe at
http://www.matronics.com/subscription/ the same place you went to subscribe
to this list).
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
PPalmer007@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Europa electrics ( busbars)
--> Europa-List message posted by: PPalmer007@aol.com
I am trying to determine the best place to position the busbars in my
friend
danny's europa three are required. One earth busbar, one avionics busbar,
and the main busbar. I dont want to re-invent the wheel so can anyone out
there
help me???
Many thanks Paul
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| Subject: | Europa electrics ( busbars) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Paul:
I have 3 busses I have built into the plane. Each bus consists of the B&C
fuseblock assy. The Main Bus, Essential bus. and battery bus. The
essiential bus is built on the vertical section of the shelf in front of
the passenger facing the passenger. I have built a bulged cover that goes
over this and is held in place with
Velcro. I cut a rectangular hole in the surface that is 90 degrees to this
surface in the side of the instrument panel. The main bus is recessed in
here on standoffs from the surface. A flat cover secured with Velcro goes
over this. The battery bus is under the baggage bay area on one of the
plywood uprights. I expect the battery to go under the right compartment.
Steve Hagar
A143 Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: <PPalmer007@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/26/04 4:46:53 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa electrics ( busbars)
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: PPalmer007@aol.com
>
> I am trying to determine the best place to position the busbars in my
friend
> danny's europa three are required. One earth busbar, one avionics busbar,
> and the main busbar. I dont want to re-invent the wheel so can anyone out
there
> help me???
> Many thanks Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa electrics ( busbars) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
Paul,
I also have B&C fuseblock assys for Main Bus (10 fuses), Essential bus
(20 fuses) and Battery bus (6 fuses). All three fuseblocks are mounted
inside the shelf in front of the passenger, which is just large enough
to hold all the three. To make the fuses easily accessible I cut out a
door in the lower side of the shelf. The three fuseblocks are mounted
onto this door. The door is hinged to the firewall side of the panel. On
the passenger side it is closed with two suthco fasteners. Works great
for me!
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32
E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Steve
Hagar
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2004 17:29
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: RE: Europa-List: Europa electrics ( busbars)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Paul:
I have 3 busses I have built into the plane. Each bus consists of the
B&C fuseblock assy. The Main Bus, Essential bus. and battery bus. The
essiential bus is built on the vertical section of the shelf in front of
the passenger facing the passenger. I have built a bulged cover that
goes over this and is held in place with
Velcro. I cut a rectangular hole in the surface that is 90 degrees to
this surface in the side of the instrument panel. The main bus is
recessed in here on standoffs from the surface. A flat cover secured
with Velcro goes over this. The battery bus is under the baggage bay
area on one of the plywood uprights. I expect the battery to go under
the right compartment.
Steve Hagar
A143 Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: <PPalmer007@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/26/04 4:46:53 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa electrics ( busbars)
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: PPalmer007@aol.com
>
> I am trying to determine the best place to position the busbars in my
friend
> danny's europa three are required. One earth busbar, one avionics
> busbar,
> and the main busbar. I dont want to re-invent the wheel so can anyone
> out
there
> help me???
> Many thanks Paul
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Just to wet the appetite so to speak
Cheers
Alan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
20 Litre Steel cans are definitely the best IHMO. Cost should be about 15-
20 each. Make sure you purchase New cans not second hand. Depending on your
fuel tank size 4 cans will be more than enough. In fact I rarely use more
than 40 litres on a trip (3 hrs flying time).
You may need to be careful filling up. It is technically illegal to fill
more than one can at a time at a filling station (health and safety issues),
but most turn a blind eye. If you park your car so that the safety cameras
cant see the back of your car, they are unlikely to notice anyway.
Dont try to fill 4 cans and your car tank. Most petrol station systems in
the UK are set to shut down after 80 litres (sometimes 100).
Carl & Dot
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From: "Tim Butterworth" <Tim.Butterworth@cvluk.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth"
<Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
>
> Hi, wishing to put the debate of which filter is best aside for a moment,
can anyone suggest a UK source for the Mr. Funnel F15C, or do I just order
from ACS in the States?
>
> Whilst I am on, I take it that most practical/and safest way of getting
clean fuel from a petrol station to the airfield is 6 or 7 10 litre plastic
cans. Seems a bit long winded? Any better alternatives?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | ampreg supplier (uk) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Those folk still looking for prompt delivery of Ampreg 20 resin might
like to consider Dauntless Yacht Centre.
They do have a web page at <http://www.heronyachtservices.co.uk/>
(which we might get a link to on the Club website if you've got a
moment Jeremy) but it's not very informative and you'll finish up
phoning Barry Curtis on 07833 562536 anyway.
He phoned me this morning for our new Editor's contact details as he
intends to advertise in the next issue of The Europa Flyer, but I
thought online folk would like to know ASAP.
He says he's got the 1kg, 3,75kg and 10kg sizes available at present
with standard hardener. He buys in bulk and quotes 75.00 pounds for
the 10kg size which sounds pretty competitive!
Hope this is useful.
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
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Hey Alfred,
I think that I would make sure my passenger never put any drinks on that
shelf!
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
In a message dated 7/26/2004 2:19:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
carl_p@ntlworld.com writes:
Dont try to fill 4 cans and your car tank. Most petrol station systems in
the UK are set to shut down after 80 litres (sometimes 100).
I guess you guys don't have Recreational Vehicles (RV's) with 90 gallon (340
liter) tanks in Europe?
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Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Hello All,
I want to let you know that my Europa XS is for sale. My need for a 4 place
and the no more than one plane at a time rule from my wife being the cause.
It is a beautiful plane, fast, very - very fun to fly and I think extremly
well built.
Pictures and specs on my website:
www.galaxyhobby.com/europa.htm
Bob Jacobsen
N165BB
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Europa electrics ( busbars) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
Hi Mike,
Good point, but the shelf can be opened only on it's bottom side - the
top side is still beverage-proof!
Alfred
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Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2004 23:10
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
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Hey Alfred,
I think that I would make sure my passenger never put any drinks on that
shelf!
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do
before
that.
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... and consider confirmed opt-in in the future, so spamming idiots cannot "sunscribe"
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