Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:00 AM - Re: What future for Europa customers (Paul Atkinson)
2. 01:01 AM - Re: Re: fuel filter (Richard Holder)
3. 01:39 AM - Re: ampreg supplier (uk) (G-IANI)
4. 01:44 AM - Rutan Biography (Alan Burrows)
5. 01:44 AM - Re: Re: fuel filter (Neville Eyre)
6. 02:10 AM - Re: Re: fuel filter (Jeremy Davey)
7. 02:39 AM - Re: Re: fuel filter (Alan Burrows)
8. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: fuel filter (Richard Holder)
9. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: fuel filter (Alan Burrows)
10. 04:35 AM - Re: Re: fuel filter (Neville Eyre)
11. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: fuel filter (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk)
12. 05:13 AM - Re: ampreg supplier (uk) (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk)
13. 05:50 AM - 914 rough running (Paul McAllister)
14. 07:14 AM - Re: ampreg supplier (uk) (Jeremy Davey)
15. 07:45 AM - Re: 914 rough running (Richard Iddon)
16. 08:42 AM - Re: 914 rough running (Bob Jacobsen)
17. 11:28 AM - Redux/Araldite 420 (Rocketman)
18. 12:29 PM - Re: What Future for Europa Customers (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
19. 01:15 PM - Re: What Future for Europa Customers (User)
20. 02:38 PM - Re: Rutan Biography (bryan allsop)
21. 02:54 PM - New Ampreg 22 (Tony Renshaw)
22. 03:39 PM - What future for Europa customers (Fred R. Klein)
23. 07:02 PM - Re: Redux/Araldite 420 (DJGeldermann)
24. 07:46 PM - Oshkosh Update (Bob Jacobsen)
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| Subject: | Re: What future for Europa customers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
Dave
Very well put.
You could add to the 100,000 GBP the customers who like me who have
delayed placing any orders until all the dust settles. Mine will go out as
soon as I hear some good news.
I hope you are taking note Keith.
Paul Atkinson
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Hello Keith,
It has been over two weeks now since your promise of an imminent
financial restructuring
of EMIL for the security of Europa's future. As this has been going
on for several weeks already I am extremely disappointed that nothing
whatsoever
has appeared on any UK aviation magazine website referring to the state of
EMIL and wonder if this is a deliberate policy of silence by you.
If you care anything of those 1000 plus builders and fliers who are
finishing
or operating their Europa, and need parts, fittings or spares to finish
and maintain
their aircraft (and which they are presently unable to get from EMIL),
you will release a statement to the aviation press with your future for
Europa,
including a timescale for new kit production and delivery, a plan to deal
with
the backlog of orders currently paid for but not yet delivered (presently,
we are led to believe, exceeding GBP 100,000), and details of Europa's
product
development plans. And what about new customers - what are they being told
at
the moment?
If you continue this silence then what will your customers conclude? Any
businessman
worth his salt, proud of his product and really interested in the continued
wellbeing of his customers would, at the very least, have contacted all
their
customers directly, or already have put out a press release by official
channels.
I do not want a personal reply to this email: Your CUSTOMERS look
forward to
reading your statement on the Flyer, Pilot and Todays Pilot websites in
the next
couple of days. I will be copying this email to the list for their benefit.
Yours,
David Bosomworth
Europa Club Chairman
Europa Kit 67
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> carl_p@ntlworld.com writes:
> Dont try to fill 4 cans and your car tank. Most petrol station systems in
> the UK are set to shut down after 80 litres (sometimes 100).
> I guess you guys don't have Recreational Vehicles (RV's) with 90 gallon (340
> liter) tanks in Europe?
What do you think ? A fill up of 340 litres (liters) of petrol (gasoline)
would cost $467. And that is NOT a typo. Four hundred and sixty seven
dollars !
Poor Englishman seeing US fuel profligacy even at $2/US gallon
Oh and :-) in case anyone takes offence (offense)
(US language in brackets !)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | ampreg supplier (uk) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
For those who want Ampeg20 (in the UK) here it the supplier I have used:-
Marineware Limited
6 Crosshouse Road
Southampton
Hampshire SO14 5GZ Tel 023 8033 0208 NO WEB SITE
1Kg plus standard hardener in stock (delivered next day if needed) 54.22
VAT + carrage
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rowland
Carson
Subject: Europa-List: ampreg supplier (uk)
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Those folk still looking for prompt delivery of Ampreg 20 resin might
like to consider Dauntless Yacht Centre.
They do have a web page at <http://www.heronyachtservices.co.uk/>
(which we might get a link to on the Club website if you've got a
moment Jeremy) but it's not very informative and you'll finish up
phoning Barry Curtis on 07833 562536 anyway.
He phoned me this morning for our new Editor's contact details as he
intends to advertise in the next issue of The Europa Flyer, but I
thought online folk would like to know ASAP.
He says he's got the 1kg, 3,75kg and 10kg sizes available at present
with standard hardener. He buys in bulk and quotes 75.00 pounds for
the 10kg size which sounds pretty competitive!
Hope this is useful.
regards
Rowland
--
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| Europa 435 G-ROWI (710 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
just to wet the appetite for the Isle of Man fly-in and lecture 6th 7th
8th August
_____
'I want to go high because that's where the view is' -
Burt Rutan, CEO Scaled Composites
This year's Manx Festival of Aviation is privileged to be featuring
guest appearances by two brothers from California, who, in their own
unique ways, are pioneers in aviation.
Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer and designer of SpaceShipOne and CEO of
Scaled Composites - and Dick Rutan, founder of Voyager Aircraft Inc and
famed for completing the first-ever around the world non-stop,
non-refuelled flight.
Dick Rutan gained his solo pilot's licence on his 16th birthday, Aged 19
he joined the US Air Force Aviation Cadet programme, was commissioned
lieutenant and later gained a B.Sc degree. As a tactical air commander
during most of his two decades in the Air Force he ran some 325 combat
missions in Vietnam. By the time he retired from the Air Force in 1978
he had been awarded the Silver Star, five Distinguished Flying Crosses,
16 Air Medals and the Purple Heart.
After retirement he joined his brother Burt in the Rutan Aircraft
Company as production manager and chief test pilot for many military and
civilian experimental aircraft. In 1981 he left the company to found
Voyager Aircraft, Inc, and on December 14 1986 achieved his history
making flight in a fuel laden Voyager. Four days later President Ronal
Reagan awarded Dick Rutan the Presidential Citizen's Medal of Honour.
Burt Rutan has been described by Newsweek magazine as 'the man
responsible for more innovations in modern aviation than any living
engineer'.
On June 21 this year Burt Rutan made international headlines as the
designer of SpaceShipOne, the first privately financed manned aircraft
to reach space.
A flight test engineer for the US Air Force during the Vietnam War, he
is founder and chief executive officer of Scaled Composites, hailed as
one of the most visionary aerospace research companies in the world.
He worked for the US Air Force from 1965 to 1972 as flight test project
engineer and Edwards Air Force base, California and holds a B.Sc. degree
in aeronautical engineering.
Based in Mojave, California his company has developed and flight-tested
a large variety of groundbreaking projects, from military research
aircraft and executive jets to a racing plane and gondolas for Richard
Branson and Barron Hilton.
Burt Rutan designed the legendary Voyager flown by his brother on his
history making round the world non-stop non-refuelled flight. He also
developed the Ultralite, an all-composite 100mpg show car for General
Motors, and the Proteus 'affordable' U-2 aircraft.
Burt Rutan has received numerous awards, including the Presidential
Citizen's medal, a Collier Trophy, the Chrysler Award for Innovation in
Design, 'Engineer of the Year by Design News, the British Gold Medal
Award for Aeronautics and the 2000 Charles A Lindbergh Award.
Dick and Burt Rutan have travelled to the Island via London where they
delivered a lecture to the Royal Aeronautical Society on August 5th. On
August 6th they gave a series of interviews in Manchester before flying
to the Isle of Man to give a lecture at the Manx Museum highlighting
their world-class pioneering achievements in aviation.
Manx Festival of Aviation's event promoter Winston Oliver said: 'We are
delighted that these two brothers, Burt and Dick Rutan, have found time
in their busy programmes to come and support the festival. Their
enthusiasm and commitment to stretching the boundaries of technology and
physical endurance is what makes aviation the fascinating and
awe-inspiring industry it is today.'
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
Getting down to the fine print in U.K.Law, it is actually illegal to carry more
than 6 gallons in a car. The limit is 6 G, [2 of 2 Gallon plastic containers,
and 2 of 1 Gallon metal cans] No idea where this rule came from, I went through
this with the Fire Brigade years ago when I was transporting vast amounts of
fuel for a water ski club.
Old jerry cans will have the red lead paint lining coming off [ but you should
be filtering that out in the funnel anyway ?]Demon Tweeks do a stainless steel
version.
In my opinion, the plastic, 5 litre [ 1 Gallon] containers are best. no flakes
of paint or rust, and there is less chance of banging the fuselage when filling.
[ A bonus for those of you with company cars, keep a couple in the boot [ trunk],
and every time you put fuel in the car, sneak a bit into a can ?]
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carl & Dot
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
20 Litre Steel cans are definitely the best IHMO. Cost should be about 15-
20 each. Make sure you purchase New cans not second hand. Depending on your
fuel tank size 4 cans will be more than enough. In fact I rarely use more
than 40 litres on a trip (3 hrs flying time).
You may need to be careful filling up. It is technically illegal to fill
more than one can at a time at a filling station (health and safety issues),
but most turn a blind eye. If you park your car so that the safety cameras
cant see the back of your car, they are unlikely to notice anyway.
Dont try to fill 4 cans and your car tank. Most petrol station systems in
the UK are set to shut down after 80 litres (sometimes 100).
Carl & Dot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Butterworth" <Tim.Butterworth@cvluk.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth"
<Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
>
> Hi, wishing to put the debate of which filter is best aside for a moment,
can anyone suggest a UK source for the Mr. Funnel F15C, or do I just order
from ACS in the States?
>
> Whilst I am on, I take it that most practical/and safest way of getting
clean fuel from a petrol station to the airfield is 6 or 7 10 litre plastic
cans. Seems a bit long winded? Any better alternatives?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
"[ A bonus for those of you with company cars, keep a couple in the boot [
trunk], and every time you put fuel in the car, sneak a bit into a can ?]"
Doesnt work for me Nev, my car runs on a diet of pure Optimax and I'm told
you shouldnt put super unleaded through a Rotax :-( Any idea where I can
get octane reducer?
Cheers,
Jeremy Who
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Neville
Shame on you are you ACTUALLY advocating theft of company funds. I think
this needs reporting to Keith in fact the world..! Neville Eyre runs his
model aircraft engines on Europa petrol (gasoline) everyone...
Just to add to what Nev said Demon Tweeks also sell 5ltr plastic cans
used by motor racing teams, which are excellent, I have 4 of them , they
are always clean and easy to keep that way. I also use a small electric
pump that fits into either a jerry can or my plastic cans. I can get
more of these pumps at about 30 each if anyone is interested. They
really are perfect for the job. I discovered them many years ago during
my previous life as a "Kart racer"
Alan B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neville
Eyre
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre"
--> <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
Getting down to the fine print in U.K.Law, it is actually illegal to
carry more than 6 gallons in a car. The limit is 6 G, [2 of 2 Gallon
plastic containers, and 2 of 1 Gallon metal cans] No idea where this
rule came from, I went through this with the Fire Brigade years ago when
I was transporting vast amounts of fuel for a water ski club. Old jerry
cans will have the red lead paint lining coming off [ but you should be
filtering that out in the funnel anyway ?]Demon Tweeks do a stainless
steel version. In my opinion, the plastic, 5 litre [ 1 Gallon]
containers are best. no flakes of paint or rust, and there is less
chance of banging the fuselage when filling. [ A bonus for those of you
with company cars, keep a couple in the boot [ trunk], and every time
you put fuel in the car, sneak a bit into a can ?] Cheers, Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carl & Dot
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
20 Litre Steel cans are definitely the best IHMO. Cost should be about
15- 20 each. Make sure you purchase New cans not second hand. Depending
on your fuel tank size 4 cans will be more than enough. In fact I rarely
use more than 40 litres on a trip (3 hrs flying time).
You may need to be careful filling up. It is technically illegal to fill
more than one can at a time at a filling station (health and safety
issues), but most turn a blind eye. If you park your car so that the
safety cameras cant see the back of your car, they are unlikely to
notice anyway.
Dont try to fill 4 cans and your car tank. Most petrol station systems
in the UK are set to shut down after 80 litres (sometimes 100).
Carl & Dot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Butterworth" <Tim.Butterworth@cvluk.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth"
<Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
>
> Hi, wishing to put the debate of which filter is best aside for a
> moment,
can anyone suggest a UK source for the Mr. Funnel F15C, or do I just
order from ACS in the States?
>
> Whilst I am on, I take it that most practical/and safest way of
> getting
clean fuel from a petrol station to the airfield is 6 or 7 10 litre
plastic cans. Seems a bit long winded? Any better alternatives?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Just to add to what Nev said Demon Tweeks also sell 5ltr plastic cans
> used by motor racing teams, which are excellent, I have 4 of them , they
> are always clean and easy to keep that way. I also use a small electric
> pump that fits into either a jerry can or my plastic cans. I can get
> more of these pumps at about 30 each if anyone is interested. They
> really are perfect for the job. I discovered them many years ago during
> my previous life as a "Kart racer"
> Alan B
This raises two questions.
1. Do you only ever need 20 litres to refuel ? If I fly 2 1/2 hours I need
to put in 40 litres, and with only 20 litres of cans I would have to do a
double trip to the petrol station.
2. What is the capacity of the pump you are talking about ? I have a spare
Facet fuel pump which takes 10 minutes to pump the contents of a 20 litre
jerry can into the plane. It only takes 75 seconds to empty the can by
lifting and using gravity. It is heavy though - and seems to get heavier the
longer I hold it - even if the fuel in the can is going down :-)
To be honest I think 10 litre cans are a good compromise, but although they
are available they are as expensive or more than 20 litre cans.
:-)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sorry did I say 5ltrs I meant 25ltrs and as for the pump capacity I
really don't or want to know, it works well and with two of these
plastic cans and the pump I can usually fill the aircraft in a couple of
Mins. With no mess or risk of overfilling.
Alan B.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Just to add to what Nev said Demon Tweeks also sell 5ltr plastic cans
> used by motor racing teams, which are excellent, I have 4 of them ,
> they are always clean and easy to keep that way. I also use a small
> electric pump that fits into either a jerry can or my plastic cans. I
> can get more of these pumps at about 30 each if anyone is interested.
> They really are perfect for the job. I discovered them many years ago
> during my previous life as a "Kart racer" Alan B
This raises two questions.
1. Do you only ever need 20 litres to refuel ? If I fly 2 1/2 hours I
need to put in 40 litres, and with only 20 litres of cans I would have
to do a double trip to the petrol station.
2. What is the capacity of the pump you are talking about ? I have a
spare Facet fuel pump which takes 10 minutes to pump the contents of a
20 litre jerry can into the plane. It only takes 75 seconds to empty the
can by lifting and using gravity. It is heavy though - and seems to get
heavier the longer I hold it - even if the fuel in the can is going down
:-)
To be honest I think 10 litre cans are a good compromise, but although
they are available they are as expensive or more than 20 litre cans.
:-)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
I wish..........
I actually run them on Glow fuel supplied by Dave Watts, and my car is Diesel.....................
[ bu**er]
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Neville
Shame on you are you ACTUALLY advocating theft of company funds. I think
this needs reporting to Keith in fact the world..! Neville Eyre runs his
model aircraft engines on Europa petrol (gasoline) everyone...
Just to add to what Nev said Demon Tweeks also sell 5ltr plastic cans
used by motor racing teams, which are excellent, I have 4 of them , they
are always clean and easy to keep that way. I also use a small electric
pump that fits into either a jerry can or my plastic cans. I can get
more of these pumps at about 30 each if anyone is interested. They
really are perfect for the job. I discovered them many years ago during
my previous life as a "Kart racer"
Alan B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neville
Eyre
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre"
--> <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
Getting down to the fine print in U.K.Law, it is actually illegal to
carry more than 6 gallons in a car. The limit is 6 G, [2 of 2 Gallon
plastic containers, and 2 of 1 Gallon metal cans] No idea where this
rule came from, I went through this with the Fire Brigade years ago when
I was transporting vast amounts of fuel for a water ski club. Old jerry
cans will have the red lead paint lining coming off [ but you should be
filtering that out in the funnel anyway ?]Demon Tweeks do a stainless
steel version. In my opinion, the plastic, 5 litre [ 1 Gallon]
containers are best. no flakes of paint or rust, and there is less
chance of banging the fuselage when filling. [ A bonus for those of you
with company cars, keep a couple in the boot [ trunk], and every time
you put fuel in the car, sneak a bit into a can ?] Cheers, Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carl & Dot
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
20 Litre Steel cans are definitely the best IHMO. Cost should be about
15- 20 each. Make sure you purchase New cans not second hand. Depending
on your fuel tank size 4 cans will be more than enough. In fact I rarely
use more than 40 litres on a trip (3 hrs flying time).
You may need to be careful filling up. It is technically illegal to fill
more than one can at a time at a filling station (health and safety
issues), but most turn a blind eye. If you park your car so that the
safety cameras cant see the back of your car, they are unlikely to
notice anyway.
Dont try to fill 4 cans and your car tank. Most petrol station systems
in the UK are set to shut down after 80 litres (sometimes 100).
Carl & Dot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Butterworth" <Tim.Butterworth@cvluk.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel filter
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth"
<Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
>
> Hi, wishing to put the debate of which filter is best aside for a
> moment,
can anyone suggest a UK source for the Mr. Funnel F15C, or do I just
order from ACS in the States?
>
> Whilst I am on, I take it that most practical/and safest way of
> getting
clean fuel from a petrol station to the airfield is 6 or 7 10 litre
plastic cans. Seems a bit long winded? Any better alternatives?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
>Whilst I am on, I take it that most practical/and safest way of getting
clean fuel from a petrol station to the airfield is 6 or 7 10 litre plastic
cans. Seems a bit long winded? Any better alternatives?<
I used to use 20 litre plastic containers from the USA. There are some
concerns about static with larger containers and I know some years back
there was a fuel fire whilst refuelling a Europa.
I have since found the metal jerry cans to be best. Their slimmer shape
makes them easier to handle when full and the nozzle is easier to fit and
remove. There is also no need for a separate vent valve either. If an earth
strap is connected to the nozzle risk of static is minimised (I use the
negative side of my external power connection as it is near the fuel
filler). I would only buy new cans and store them either full or in a dry
environment to reduce chances of internal corrosion causing fuel
contamination.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: ampreg supplier (uk) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
If I was looking for an alternative supply of epoxy resin I would look at
the German equivalent to Ampreg. One of the PFA inspectors who works with
composites says it is much better quality. Also I know that it also causes
less medical problems. One builder in a group had to give up the resin work
due to severe allergies but found when they switched to the German product
he had no allergic reactions.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | 914 rough running |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I am looking for a few clues to diagnose this problem.. The engine now has 70
hours on it and it has started running a little rough in the 3500 rpm range.
It idles fine, starts easily and cruises okay at 5000 rpm. Rear EHT seem to be
at 1450 in cruise and cylinder head temps in cruise come in about 180. Spark
plugs look gray with the exception of #2 cylinder where they are noticeably
darker.
Any clues on where to start would be appreciated.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | ampreg supplier (uk) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
"One builder in a group had to give up the resin work
due to severe allergies but found when they switched to the German product
he had no allergic reactions."
Nigel,
Another possible explanation for that is that apparently these allergies can
be resin-type specific. So a sensitisation to Ampreg might not affect a
builder if he switched to Aeropoxy and took extra care to avoid
re-sensitisation.
That said, my inspector has to inspect in relatively short bursts because
he's now sensitised to just about any epoxy system after a working lifetime
in composites.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | 914 rough running |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Paul,
I had a rough running engine for a while and traced it back to a slight
kink in one throttle cable which caused a very slight hesitation on one
side when adjusting the throttle, but only at certain rev's. I guess you
have balanced the carb's?
Regards.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: 914 rough running
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I am looking for a few clues to diagnose this problem.. The engine now
has 70 hours on it and it has started running a little rough in the 3500
rpm range. It idles fine, starts easily and cruises okay at 5000 rpm.
Rear EHT seem to be at 1450 in cruise and cylinder head temps in cruise
come in about 180. Spark plugs look gray with the exception of #2
cylinder where they are noticeably darker.
Any clues on where to start would be appreciated.
Thanks, Paul
==
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==
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| Subject: | 914 rough running |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Paul,
One thing you might check are the wires on the Ducati ignition modules. I
had a problem I couldn't figue out with rough running. Finally I started to
take the ignition modules off, was going to install Cliff's to see if that
would fix it.
When I removed one module I found a broken wire. It was broken right at a
kink - but it was so tight in there that the broken ends were pushed
together buy the other wires. What was happening was a slight, intermittent
loss of signal - still worked but just not quite right. Was a nightmare to
troubleshoot. It was broken right where it exits one of the 4 pin plugs. I
re-routed and soldered the wire and all is smooth again.
Just a Thought.
Bob Jacobsen
N165BB
>From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: 914 rough running
>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:41:56 -0500
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
><paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I am looking for a few clues to diagnose this problem.. The engine now has
>70 hours on it and it has started running a little rough in the 3500 rpm
>range. It idles fine, starts easily and cruises okay at 5000 rpm. Rear
>EHT seem to be at 1450 in cruise and cylinder head temps in cruise come in
>about 180. Spark plugs look gray with the exception of #2 cylinder where
>they are noticeably darker.
>
>Any clues on where to start would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Redux/Araldite 420 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Does anyone know if it is available from the US, or maybe an alternative
product? Thanks in advance...
--
Jeff A055
Http://www.n55xs.com
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| Subject: | Re: What Future for Europa Customers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Thought you would all be interested to hear this.
I had a phone call this lunchtime from Ray Bedford, part-time stores manager
at the UK factory. He stated there would be a press release this afternoon about
the future of EMIL, and then tried to tell me what it was.
At this point I stopped him, and said I would read it on the Flyer website, at
the same time as everyone else - I have no idea what is to be said.
Well, I've just logged on and had a look at:
www.flyer.co.uk
www.pilotweb.co.uk
www.todayspilot.co.uk
and guess what - no news!
I think the EMIL customer attitude still prevails....
chus,
dave
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| Subject: | Re: What Future for Europa Customers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "User" <paul@wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk>
. ''He stated there would be a press release this afternoon about the future
of EMIL ''
If it's the same time frame they work on as promised parts delivery, wait
six months.... and then forget it.
Paul.
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| Subject: | Re: Rutan Biography |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Alan,
I understand that the lecture will only take place on Friday the 6th.
Is that correct?
All being well Brian Huchinson and I intend to join on Saturday, and camp
with the aircraft for the evening. Are there any problems with that?
Burt and Dick will be more than welcome to join us for a camper's sing-in
providing they bring a bottle.
Bryan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Nigel and Co.
If there is any intention to change resin systems might I suggest you take
a look at the newer SP Systems product Ampreg 22. The specs are all but the
same, or very similar to Ampreg 20, but it is a modern resin system
specifically designed to reduce some of the dangers of use, along with
providing a greater flexibility on how the product is used. The best thing
is that there are at least 2 hardeners, one fast and one Slow or Extra
Slow, and you can blend them as you please. Fast is really good for little
layups that are non structural, as you can get on with things straight away
the next morning. I haven't used it on any of my flying surfaces, only
within the fuse, but I can certainly "sing its praises". If there is any
doubt as to its suitability for Europas, a Europa is on its Technical Data
Sheet! Also, it can be used down to 18 degrees Celsius without any major
problem, therefore may well suit the basement work of those in the Northern
Hemisphere.
Rg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 10:08 PM 7/27/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
>
>If I was looking for an alternative supply of epoxy resin I would look at
>the German equivalent to Ampreg. One of the PFA inspectors who works with
>composites says it is much better quality. Also I know that it also causes
>less medical problems. One builder in a group had to give up the resin work
>due to severe allergies but found when they switched to the German product
>he had no allergic reactions.
>
>Nigel Charles
>
>
>Broadband from an unbeatable 15.99!
>
>http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/home.html?code=SM-NL-11AM
>
>
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| Subject: | What future for Europa customers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi all,
After reading the DaveBuzz-ogram and noting the two email addresses for Mr.
Wilson, (keith@keith-carol.fsnet.co.uk>, <keith@europa-aircraft.com), I sent
the following to Keith at both email addresses:
"Please comment upon and respond to the following:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
>
> Hello Keith,
>
> It has been over two weeks now since your promise of an imminent financial
> restructuring of EMIL for the security of Europa's future. As this has been
> going on for several weeks already I am extremely disappointed that nothing
> whatsoever has appeared on any UK aviation magazine website referring to the
> state of EMIL and wonder if this is a deliberate policy of silence by you.
>
> If you care anything of those 1000 plus builders and fliers who are finishing
> or operating their Europa, and need parts, fittings or spares to finish and
> maintain their aircraft (and which they are presently unable to get from
> EMIL), you will release a statement to the aviation press with your future for
> Europa, including a timescale for new kit production and delivery, a plan to
> deal with the backlog of orders currently paid for but not yet delivered
> (presently, we are led to believe, exceeding GBP 100,000), and details of
> Europa's product development plans. And what about new customers - what are
> they being told at the moment?
>
> If you continue this silence then what will your customers conclude? Any
> businessman worth his salt, proud of his product and really interested in the
> continued wellbeing of his customers would, at the very least, have contacted
> all their customers directly, or already have put out a press release by
> official channels.
>
> I do not want a personal reply to this email: Your CUSTOMERS look forward to
> reading your statement on the Flyer, Pilot and Todays Pilot websites in the
> next couple of days. I will be copying this email to the list for their
> benefit.
>
> Yours,
> David Bosomworth
> Europa Club Chairman
> Europa Kit 67
>
Looking forward to your reply,
Fred Klein
A194
It seemed to be worth the two minutes it took...nothing to lose...and as I
think about it...what might be the impact if Keith were to receive, say
about 1,000 copies? Europhiles UNITE!
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| Subject: | Re: Redux/Araldite 420 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "DJGeldermann" <djgeldermann@cox.net>
Jeff,
John Hurst referred me to a place called Huntsman (1-800-367-8793) in
California that sells it as Epe-Bond 420, the equivalent of Redux 420 (not
sure of the spelling). They only sell it by the case (6 quart kits) for
$1,003.04 plus hazardous material shipping. There are two of us in northern
Virginia that each need 2 quarts. If anyone else on the east cost is
interested we'll split a case three ways.
Dan Geldermann
A-139
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Redux/Araldite 420
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone know if it is available from the US, or maybe an alternative
> product? Thanks in advance...
>
> --
> Jeff A055
> Http://www.n55xs.com
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Quick Update on Oshkosh.
Cliff reports there are now 4 Europa's at Oshkosh in the Europa
parking/booth area. Today was the opening day and weather was about 75 and
sunny (but hazy).
The Europa Forum had about 40 people in attendance, lasted about an hour.
Lots of discussions and questions on mono-wheel vs tri-gear etc and some
about the state of Europa at the present. Everyone left friends - that is a
very good sign.
Word is John Hurst may be at Oshkosh in a few days (on his own nickle?).
Another update tomorrow!!
Bob Jacobsen
N165BB
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