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1. 12:04 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... (NevEyre@aol.com)
2. 01:03 AM - Re: Tygon hose (R.C.Harrison)
3. 01:18 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... (R.C.Harrison)
4. 04:01 AM - Re: location location location (Paul Atkinson)
5. 04:14 AM - Tygon hose (Jim Butcher)
6. 05:19 AM - Re: Tygon hose (Jeremy Davey)
7. 05:25 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... (Jeremy Davey)
8. 06:25 AM - Re: Tygon Hose (rlborger)
9. 10:27 AM - Long Rang Tank Kit (rlborger)
10. 11:46 AM - Re: Tygon hose (Rob Housman)
11. 02:54 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... (R.C.Harrison)
12. 03:06 PM - bad e-mail addresses (Rowland Carson)
13. 03:28 PM - Aluminum Vents Sale (Fabian Lefler)
14. 06:15 PM - Re: Aluminum Vents Sale (Paul Boulet)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi All,
I believe Bob had a problem with dog hair forming a ''ball'' inside the
fitting........
I have allready given him the answer.... shave the dog !
Cheers,
Nev.
P.S. This message really is from me !
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Paul.
The Europa issued flexible pipe for permanent immersion was yellow .
Hopefully NOT the same stuff you have used? ( yet another reason for having
an inspection hole in the tank top!
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Tygon hose
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have fabricated my own version of the Long Ranger tank system. I used
tygon hose as part of the siphon system that is normally immersed in fuel
all of the time. I found after 24 hours the hose had changed from clear to
green and it was noticeably less flexible. I can't imagine that this is
going to work long term. Has anyone had any experience with this material.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Neville.
Not entirely correct .... the dog hairs wouldn't have caught up in the gauze
but just a few strands of lint fibres hung on the inside of the gauze
causing the medium for further straining but on the inside of the gauze. All
as per you tend to get in the kitchen plug hole, the bath or hand wash
basin.
Good joke Neville but wouldn't have appreciated it at 2000ft if I hadn't had
two airfields to choose from when the donkey stopped.
OK, all have a laugh at my expense, no worries I've a thick skin but at
least its still unbroken! I've had some derisory remarks and accept that the
contamination shouldn't have been there so ignore my warnings and fly with a
free conscience if you can?
Finally Neville perhaps you can explain why there is a restriction in the
damn connectors anyway since they were Europa designed?
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction....
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Hi All,
> I believe Bob had a problem with dog hair forming a ''ball'' inside the
> fitting........
> I have allready given him the answer.... shave the dog !
> Cheers,
> Nev.
> P.S. This message really is from me !
>
>
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| Subject: | re: location location location |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
He lives in Huntingdon. At least that is the address that Companies House
have.
G-KITS is mortgaged to Slingsby's so I assume he won't have access to it
for much longer.
Paul Atkinson
"I went to Peterborough (Conington) today.
Parked up was the factory tri-gear demonstrator G-KITZ. I have seen it
there
before. According to one of the staff it is Keith Wilson's ! Apparently he
"commutes" there in it, which probably means he lives nearby.
I wonder if the Administrators are aware of its current location."
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Paul,
John Hurst loaned me a Long Range tank for fitting purposes. The tygon
tubing that was on it was yellow. Wicks shows "translucent yellow fuel and
lubricant tubing", P/N F4040A.
Can you give more details on how you made the tank? I returned the one to
John as it was defective, although I bet it's still in Lakeland.
Jim Butcher A185 N241BW
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Paul,
Tell you what, I've got a small piece of the yellow flexible hose used in
the Factory solution for this (see the Factory mod description for the name
of it) - it links the top fuel tank fitting to the Al pipe down into the
tank. It's not enough to do the job for you, but it shows you what you're
looking for. If you let me have an address for you, I'll cut a bit off and
post it to you - you can then try to match it from your suppliers over
there.
It's certainly interesting material - I found that if you slip it over a
piece of Al pipe it will take you hours and very sore fingers to work it off
again!
Also, I remember you're using Graham Singleton's tank fittings. How have you
got the siphon line through the top fitting? Graham's doing me a new one
with two holes through the back face - the other one for the breather line
as currently.
Finally, in the 'interregnum' as currently, it may be possible to get one of
the LR tanks from the original manufacturer. I guess things like this will
become clear over the next few weeks.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Jeremy
>From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Tygon hose
>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:32:28 -0500
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
><paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have fabricated my own version of the Long Ranger tank system. I used
>tygon hose as part of the siphon system that is normally immersed in fuel
>all of the time. I found after 24 hours the hose had changed from clear to
>green and it was noticeably less flexible. I can't imagine that this is
>going to work long term. Has anyone had any experience with this material.
>
>Thanks, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Bob,
I think the restriction is there so that you can get from the
cross-sectional area of the fuel tank of about 4 sqft to the cross-sectional
area of the fuel line of about 0.1 sqin :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
>From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction....
>Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:17:47 +0100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Neville.
>Not entirely correct .... the dog hairs wouldn't have caught up in the
>gauze
>but just a few strands of lint fibres hung on the inside of the gauze
>causing the medium for further straining but on the inside of the gauze.
>All
>as per you tend to get in the kitchen plug hole, the bath or hand wash
>basin.
>Good joke Neville but wouldn't have appreciated it at 2000ft if I hadn't
>had
>two airfields to choose from when the donkey stopped.
>OK, all have a laugh at my expense, no worries I've a thick skin but at
>least its still unbroken! I've had some derisory remarks and accept that
>the
>contamination shouldn't have been there so ignore my warnings and fly with
>a
>free conscience if you can?
>Finally Neville perhaps you can explain why there is a restriction in the
>damn connectors anyway since they were Europa designed?
>Regards
>Bob H G-PTAG
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction....
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I believe Bob had a problem with dog hair forming a ''ball'' inside the
> > fitting........
> > I have allready given him the answer.... shave the dog !
> > Cheers,
> > Nev.
> > P.S. This message really is from me !
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Paul,
I checked the Europa Long Range Tank Kit that I purchased with my kit.
The tubing provided with it is either their standard 8mm rubber fuel
line or polyurethane. The polyurethane tubing is used where the hose
is immersed in fuel the rubber fuel hose is used outside the tank. If
you would like a copy of the parts list and/or instructions, let me
know and I can scan them for you.
I hope this helps.
Good flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
- 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Long Rang Tank Kit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Europaphiles,
You can find the instructions for, parts list for and pics of the long
range tank kit at my album on the Europa Forum.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
I hope this helps.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
- 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Tygon is a brand name and without the numbers that follow you can not be
certain that you have a product suitable for gasoline, You want only
Tygon(r) F-4040-A for gasoline, and no other. If the stuff changes
appearance it is reacting with the fuel and you really do not want that in
your airplane.
Go to http://www.integracompanies.com/f4040a.htm for details on the
F-4040-A, or for the full line of Tygon go to the manufacturer's home page
at http://www.tygon.com/home.asp (where you can find the same info as at the
first link listed but the "direct" URL is so long it may get corrupted with
transmission).
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Tygon hose
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I have fabricated my own version of the Long Ranger tank system. I used
tygon hose as part of the siphon system that is normally immersed in fuel
all of the time. I found after 24 hours the hose had changed from clear to
green and it was noticeably less flexible. I can't imagine that this is
going to work long term. Has anyone had any experience with this material.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Jeremy Davey
I think perhaps you are another one taking the p.....? Haven't you anything
better to do on a Saturday afternoon?
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction....
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Bob,
>
> I think the restriction is there so that you can get from the
> cross-sectional area of the fuel tank of about 4 sqft to the
cross-sectional
> area of the fuel line of about 0.1 sqin :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
>
> >From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction....
> >Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:17:47 +0100
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> >Hi! Neville.
> >Not entirely correct .... the dog hairs wouldn't have caught up in the
> >gauze
> >but just a few strands of lint fibres hung on the inside of the gauze
> >causing the medium for further straining but on the inside of the gauze.
> >All
> >as per you tend to get in the kitchen plug hole, the bath or hand wash
> >basin.
> >Good joke Neville but wouldn't have appreciated it at 2000ft if I hadn't
> >had
> >two airfields to choose from when the donkey stopped.
> >OK, all have a laugh at my expense, no worries I've a thick skin but at
> >least its still unbroken! I've had some derisory remarks and accept that
> >the
> >contamination shouldn't have been there so ignore my warnings and fly
with
> >a
> >free conscience if you can?
> >Finally Neville perhaps you can explain why there is a restriction in the
> >damn connectors anyway since they were Europa designed?
> >Regards
> >Bob H G-PTAG
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction....
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I believe Bob had a problem with dog hair forming a ''ball'' inside
the
> > > fitting........
> > > I have allready given him the answer.... shave the dog !
> > > Cheers,
> > > Nev.
> > > P.S. This message really is from me !
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | bad e-mail addresses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
I tried to contact the following Europa Club members by e-mail, but
got bounce messages.
Peter & Anthea Austin
Philippe Dufey & Florence Ottesen
Luis Roberto Fernandez
Ian Mansfeld & Frances Fiore
Anthony & Marieke van Eldik
Jack Van Heeswijk
If any of you are listening here, please contact me direct at
<memsec@europaclub.org.uk> to re-establish communication. Don't make
us spend money on stamps!
do not archive
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (710 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Aluminum Vents Sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fabian Lefler" <fablef@bellsouth.net>
I am overstocked with Black Anodized Aluminum Vents, so for the month of
August, I will offer these at $199.00 with free shipping. Regular Price
is $235.00 with a $10.00 shipping charge.
These vents are the same size as Van's plastic vents including the
mounting holes. Our black anodized vents are unique in that we made the
eyeball and mechanism of out aluminum, but the flanges are plastic so
that the corners can be rounded off, just like Van's, and not expose the
clear aluminum.
You can see the vents here:
http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents_files/IM001220.JPG
You can order the vents here:
http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents.htm
This special is only available during this month, or until I run out of
vents.
Regards,
Fabian
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Vents Sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it violates protocol to do commercial advertising
on this web site... at the very least it's in bad form.
Just my 2 cents
Paul Boulet, N914PB
Fabian Lefler <fablef@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fabian Lefler"
I am overstocked with Black Anodized Aluminum Vents, so for the month of
August, I will offer these at $199.00 with free shipping. Regular Price
is $235.00 with a $10.00 shipping charge.
These vents are the same size as Van's plastic vents including the
mounting holes. Our black anodized vents are unique in that we made the
eyeball and mechanism of out aluminum, but the flanges are plastic so
that the corners can be rounded off, just like Van's, and not expose the
clear aluminum.
You can see the vents here:
http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents_files/IM001220.JPG
You can order the vents here:
http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents.htm
This special is only available during this month, or until I run out of
vents.
Regards,
Fabian
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