---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/31/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... (NevEyre@aol.com) 2. 01:03 AM - Re: Tygon hose (R.C.Harrison) 3. 01:18 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... (R.C.Harrison) 4. 04:01 AM - Re: location location location (Paul Atkinson) 5. 04:14 AM - Tygon hose (Jim Butcher) 6. 05:19 AM - Re: Tygon hose (Jeremy Davey) 7. 05:25 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... (Jeremy Davey) 8. 06:25 AM - Re: Tygon Hose (rlborger) 9. 10:27 AM - Long Rang Tank Kit (rlborger) 10. 11:46 AM - Re: Tygon hose (Rob Housman) 11. 02:54 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... (R.C.Harrison) 12. 03:06 PM - bad e-mail addresses (Rowland Carson) 13. 03:28 PM - Aluminum Vents Sale (Fabian Lefler) 14. 06:15 PM - Re: Aluminum Vents Sale (Paul Boulet) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:44 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi All, I believe Bob had a problem with dog hair forming a ''ball'' inside the fitting........ I have allready given him the answer.... shave the dog ! Cheers, Nev. P.S. This message really is from me ! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:57 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tygon hose --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Paul. The Europa issued flexible pipe for permanent immersion was yellow . Hopefully NOT the same stuff you have used? ( yet another reason for having an inspection hole in the tank top! regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Tygon hose > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > Hi all, > > I have fabricated my own version of the Long Ranger tank system. I used tygon hose as part of the siphon system that is normally immersed in fuel all of the time. I found after 24 hours the hose had changed from clear to green and it was noticeably less flexible. I can't imagine that this is going to work long term. Has anyone had any experience with this material. > > Thanks, Paul > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:18 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Neville. Not entirely correct .... the dog hairs wouldn't have caught up in the gauze but just a few strands of lint fibres hung on the inside of the gauze causing the medium for further straining but on the inside of the gauze. All as per you tend to get in the kitchen plug hole, the bath or hand wash basin. Good joke Neville but wouldn't have appreciated it at 2000ft if I hadn't had two airfields to choose from when the donkey stopped. OK, all have a laugh at my expense, no worries I've a thick skin but at least its still unbroken! I've had some derisory remarks and accept that the contamination shouldn't have been there so ignore my warnings and fly with a free conscience if you can? Finally Neville perhaps you can explain why there is a restriction in the damn connectors anyway since they were Europa designed? Regards Bob H G-PTAG ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com > > Hi All, > I believe Bob had a problem with dog hair forming a ''ball'' inside the > fitting........ > I have allready given him the answer.... shave the dog ! > Cheers, > Nev. > P.S. This message really is from me ! > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: re: location location location From: "Paul Atkinson" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Atkinson" He lives in Huntingdon. At least that is the address that Companies House have. G-KITS is mortgaged to Slingsby's so I assume he won't have access to it for much longer. Paul Atkinson "I went to Peterborough (Conington) today. Parked up was the factory tri-gear demonstrator G-KITZ. I have seen it there before. According to one of the staff it is Keith Wilson's ! Apparently he "commutes" there in it, which probably means he lives nearby. I wonder if the Administrators are aware of its current location." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:00 AM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Tygon hose --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" Paul, John Hurst loaned me a Long Range tank for fitting purposes. The tygon tubing that was on it was yellow. Wicks shows "translucent yellow fuel and lubricant tubing", P/N F4040A. Can you give more details on how you made the tank? I returned the one to John as it was defective, although I bet it's still in Lakeland. Jim Butcher A185 N241BW ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:50 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tygon hose --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Paul, Tell you what, I've got a small piece of the yellow flexible hose used in the Factory solution for this (see the Factory mod description for the name of it) - it links the top fuel tank fitting to the Al pipe down into the tank. It's not enough to do the job for you, but it shows you what you're looking for. If you let me have an address for you, I'll cut a bit off and post it to you - you can then try to match it from your suppliers over there. It's certainly interesting material - I found that if you slip it over a piece of Al pipe it will take you hours and very sore fingers to work it off again! Also, I remember you're using Graham Singleton's tank fittings. How have you got the siphon line through the top fitting? Graham's doing me a new one with two holes through the back face - the other one for the breather line as currently. Finally, in the 'interregnum' as currently, it may be possible to get one of the LR tanks from the original manufacturer. I guess things like this will become clear over the next few weeks. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jeremy >From: "Paul McAllister" >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Europa-List: Tygon hose >Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:32:28 -0500 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > >Hi all, > >I have fabricated my own version of the Long Ranger tank system. I used >tygon hose as part of the siphon system that is normally immersed in fuel >all of the time. I found after 24 hours the hose had changed from clear to >green and it was noticeably less flexible. I can't imagine that this is >going to work long term. Has anyone had any experience with this material. > >Thanks, Paul > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:54 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Bob, I think the restriction is there so that you can get from the cross-sectional area of the fuel tank of about 4 sqft to the cross-sectional area of the fuel line of about 0.1 sqin :-) Cheers, Jeremy >From: "R.C.Harrison" >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... >Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:17:47 +0100 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > >Hi! Neville. >Not entirely correct .... the dog hairs wouldn't have caught up in the >gauze >but just a few strands of lint fibres hung on the inside of the gauze >causing the medium for further straining but on the inside of the gauze. >All >as per you tend to get in the kitchen plug hole, the bath or hand wash >basin. >Good joke Neville but wouldn't have appreciated it at 2000ft if I hadn't >had >two airfields to choose from when the donkey stopped. >OK, all have a laugh at my expense, no worries I've a thick skin but at >least its still unbroken! I've had some derisory remarks and accept that >the >contamination shouldn't have been there so ignore my warnings and fly with >a >free conscience if you can? >Finally Neville perhaps you can explain why there is a restriction in the >damn connectors anyway since they were Europa designed? >Regards >Bob H G-PTAG > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com > > > > Hi All, > > I believe Bob had a problem with dog hair forming a ''ball'' inside the > > fitting........ > > I have allready given him the answer.... shave the dog ! > > Cheers, > > Nev. > > P.S. This message really is from me ! > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:33 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Tygon Hose From: rlborger --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger Paul, I checked the Europa Long Range Tank Kit that I purchased with my kit. The tubing provided with it is either their standard 8mm rubber fuel line or polyurethane. The polyurethane tubing is used where the hose is immersed in fuel the rubber fuel hose is used outside the tank. If you would like a copy of the parts list and/or instructions, let me know and I can scan them for you. I hope this helps. Good flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:05 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Long Rang Tank Kit From: rlborger --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger Europaphiles, You can find the instructions for, parts list for and pics of the long range tank kit at my album on the Europa Forum. http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL I hope this helps. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:46 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tygon hose --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" Tygon is a brand name and without the numbers that follow you can not be certain that you have a product suitable for gasoline, You want only Tygon(r) F-4040-A for gasoline, and no other. If the stuff changes appearance it is reacting with the fuel and you really do not want that in your airplane. Go to http://www.integracompanies.com/f4040a.htm for details on the F-4040-A, or for the full line of Tygon go to the manufacturer's home page at http://www.tygon.com/home.asp (where you can find the same info as at the first link listed but the "direct" URL is so long it may get corrupted with transmission). Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Subject: Europa-List: Tygon hose --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi all, I have fabricated my own version of the Long Ranger tank system. I used tygon hose as part of the siphon system that is normally immersed in fuel all of the time. I found after 24 hours the hose had changed from clear to green and it was noticeably less flexible. I can't imagine that this is going to work long term. Has anyone had any experience with this material. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:58 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Jeremy Davey I think perhaps you are another one taking the p.....? Haven't you anything better to do on a Saturday afternoon? Bob Harrison G-PTAG do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > Bob, > > I think the restriction is there so that you can get from the > cross-sectional area of the fuel tank of about 4 sqft to the cross-sectional > area of the fuel line of about 0.1 sqin :-) > > Cheers, > Jeremy > > > >From: "R.C.Harrison" > >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... > >Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:17:47 +0100 > > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > > >Hi! Neville. > >Not entirely correct .... the dog hairs wouldn't have caught up in the > >gauze > >but just a few strands of lint fibres hung on the inside of the gauze > >causing the medium for further straining but on the inside of the gauze. > >All > >as per you tend to get in the kitchen plug hole, the bath or hand wash > >basin. > >Good joke Neville but wouldn't have appreciated it at 2000ft if I hadn't > >had > >two airfields to choose from when the donkey stopped. > >OK, all have a laugh at my expense, no worries I've a thick skin but at > >least its still unbroken! I've had some derisory remarks and accept that > >the > >contamination shouldn't have been there so ignore my warnings and fly with > >a > >free conscience if you can? > >Finally Neville perhaps you can explain why there is a restriction in the > >damn connectors anyway since they were Europa designed? > >Regards > >Bob H G-PTAG > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Connection Restriction.... > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I believe Bob had a problem with dog hair forming a ''ball'' inside the > > > fitting........ > > > I have allready given him the answer.... shave the dog ! > > > Cheers, > > > Nev. > > > P.S. This message really is from me ! > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:05 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: bad e-mail addresses --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson I tried to contact the following Europa Club members by e-mail, but got bounce messages. Peter & Anthea Austin Philippe Dufey & Florence Ottesen Luis Roberto Fernandez Ian Mansfeld & Frances Fiore Anthony & Marieke van Eldik Jack Van Heeswijk If any of you are listening here, please contact me direct at to re-establish communication. Don't make us spend money on stamps! do not archive regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (710 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:59 PM PST US From: "Fabian Lefler" , , , , , , , , Subject: Europa-List: Aluminum Vents Sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fabian Lefler" I am overstocked with Black Anodized Aluminum Vents, so for the month of August, I will offer these at $199.00 with free shipping. Regular Price is $235.00 with a $10.00 shipping charge. These vents are the same size as Van's plastic vents including the mounting holes. Our black anodized vents are unique in that we made the eyeball and mechanism of out aluminum, but the flanges are plastic so that the corners can be rounded off, just like Van's, and not expose the clear aluminum. You can see the vents here: http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents_files/IM001220.JPG You can order the vents here: http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents.htm This special is only available during this month, or until I run out of vents. Regards, Fabian ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:25 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aluminum Vents Sale --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it violates protocol to do commercial advertising on this web site... at the very least it's in bad form. Just my 2 cents Paul Boulet, N914PB Fabian Lefler wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fabian Lefler" I am overstocked with Black Anodized Aluminum Vents, so for the month of August, I will offer these at $199.00 with free shipping. Regular Price is $235.00 with a $10.00 shipping charge. These vents are the same size as Van's plastic vents including the mounting holes. Our black anodized vents are unique in that we made the eyeball and mechanism of out aluminum, but the flanges are plastic so that the corners can be rounded off, just like Van's, and not expose the clear aluminum. You can see the vents here: http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents_files/IM001220.JPG You can order the vents here: http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents.htm This special is only available during this month, or until I run out of vents. Regards, Fabian