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1. 12:24 AM - Re: A bit of light relief (Paul Atkinson)
2. 02:33 AM - Re: A bit of light relief (Lawrence Ross)
3. 04:43 AM - Re: A bit of light relief (Lincoln Philip)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: A bit of light relief (Simon Smith)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Aluminum Vents Sale (Fergus Kyle)
6. 08:47 AM - Noise certificate (Alain)
7. 09:14 AM - Re: Noise certificate (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
8. 09:28 AM - Re: Noise certificate (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
9. 12:51 PM - how to convert rivet part numbers? (josok)
10. 01:20 PM - Re: how to convert rivet part numbers? (Simon Smith)
11. 01:24 PM - Messages (Karel Vranken)
12. 03:31 PM - Re: Aluminum Vents Sale ()
13. 03:44 PM - Re: how to convert rivet part numbers? (Rocketman)
14. 04:09 PM - Re: how to convert rivet part numbers? (SteveD)
15. 04:55 PM - Re: Eyeball vents (Troy Maynor)
16. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: Eyeball vents (Fred Fillinger)
17. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: Eyeball vents ()
18. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Eyeball vents ()
19. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Eyeball vents (Dan Bish)
20. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Eyeball vents ()
21. 09:04 PM - Re: A bit of light relief (Keith Hartley)
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| Subject: | re: A bit of light relief |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
To put us all in a good mood again, I propose a caption competition.
The photo is at http://www.todayspilot.co.uk/tp_rally/large/IMG_9827.jpg
There is no prize but I thought it might raise a smile!
Simon
504 G-BZTN
How about
Cuddly Keith demonstrates his reading ability.
or
Consumer tests show that even Sooper Power Bif with Xtra Bleach cannot
wipe the smile off his face.
Paul
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| Subject: | A bit of light relief |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Lawrence Ross" <LROSS5@kc.rr.com>
" A fine example of the left hand knowing what the left hand is
doing(!)"
Larry R.
Wannabee builder
"-10% and 110% to go"
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| Subject: | A bit of light relief |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Lincoln Philip" <philip.lincoln@essnet.se>
It looks like picking up babes is a LOT easier when you have a (flying) Europa!
I can't wait! Terrific incentive to get back in the workshop and get her finished...
Philip (Kit 426, Stockholm, Sweden)
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Smith [mailto:jodel@nildram.co.uk]
Subject: Europa-List: A bit of light relief
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
To put us all in a good mood again, I propose a caption competition.
The photo is at http://www.todayspilot.co.uk/tp_rally/large/IMG_9827.jpg
There is no prize but I thought it might raise a smile!
Simon
504 G-BZTN
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| Subject: | A bit of light relief |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Sorry Keith, those are not Europa's assets!
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: Europa-List: A bit of light relief
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
To put us all in a good mood again, I propose a caption competition.
The photo is at http://www.todayspilot.co.uk/tp_rally/large/IMG_9827.jpg
There is no prize but I thought it might raise a smile!
Simon
504 G-BZTN
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Vents Sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: <fablef@bellsouth.net>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aluminum Vents Sale
| To those that were so easily offended by the posting, my apologies. To be
| quite honest that posting was supposed to go to the RV-list only. It just
| so happens that I didn't take the time to sort the recipients as well as I
| should have.
| However, let me say this... I have been in business for three years and
| this is only the second posting (business related) I have placed to the
| list. A commercial benefit is questionable since I am offering these at
| cost, but doesn't the person who buys one benefit from the savings?
| Ultimately, that is you, the builder.
| Please, please ignore my previous posting. | Fabian
Fabian,
It is obvious from the reaction [both pro and con] that it is no
minor consideration for the most of us. Obviously, as Matt has clearly
pointed out there is a line and we are discussing where that line
sits...........
If the line is excessively permissive, who is going to permit all
sorts of snake oil hawkers to pervert the language and waste our time? On
the other hand if those curious as to availability have no source then
correct contact is lost and the trade serves no one........
The line in magazines and newspapers is obviously no longer
discernible. It requires an 'advertisement' word on top to tell you the
hawkers are mimicking news pages - with the hope that only the stupid will
assume the nonsense to be valid. Our local town paper is now about 90% ads
and we have cancelled - but in desparation they keep delivering for 'free' -
the trees pay the price of this.
In ham radio the same pressure applies - ham papers will publish the
AVAILABILITY of items (fleamarkets are rife) but will not tolerate price or
incentives - at least ours are so.
It is the FORM of the item that draws the line. Stating the
circumstances and the availability should be sufficient to attract the
curious to the source. They are then participants in the snake oil and not
victims. I believe the line should be drawn there. If I want a
CharBlazer402, I should look up the URL and be prepared to scan a full page
of expletives to acquire one. If I don't, I should be spared the flotsam -
or regretfully leave the list.
I believe that was the gist of the originator's complaint, and to
that extent I agree. IMHO Matt has also a valid point but only in this
context.
Yours for verbal intercourse.......
Ferg
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| Subject: | Noise certificate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alain" <alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
Hello all,
I search a noise certificate for Europa.
If you have special form,
Please send me a sample
Best regards
A.CHABERT
F-PSLY N=B0275
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| Subject: | Re: Noise certificate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Hello Alain,
The Club can help its Members here. Please send an email to:
noise@europaclub.org.uk
with your full Europa details
Registration
Kit Number
Classic/XS
mono/trigear
Max take-off weight
chus,
dave
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| Subject: | Re: Noise certificate |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
Got one for the combination Classic/XS Cowling/914....
Regards Gert
Gert Dalgaard Soerensen
Stabelvej 9, Haarby
DK 8660 Skanderborg
Denmark
Europa builder No. 151
Europa Classic / Rotax 914
AC reg.: OY-GDS
Phone.: +45 8695 0595
E mail: lgds@post6.tele.dk
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/oygds.jpeg
Den 2/8-2004, kl. 17.47, skrev Alain:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alain" <alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I search a noise certificate for Europa.
>
> If you have special form,
>
> Please send me a sample
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> A.CHABERT
>
> F-PSLY N=B0275
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | how to convert rivet part numbers? |
2.6 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Need rivets, Europa part nr are TLPD424BS and TLPD429BS. While i find lots of rivets
in the catalogs, the part numbers are different, and i have difficulties
in converting the sizes from mm to decimal? inches. Furthermore remains the doubt
that the rivets i might order are not up to to specs. Is there a good soul
with some Rosette's stone or otherwise able to tell me what to order?
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | how to convert rivet part numbers? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
I only have an old 2002 copy of the Light Aero Spares catalogue but they are
both listed on page 61 under "Monel pop rivets". I can't find them on their
website at http://www.lightaero.co.uk/ but I do know that not all their
stock is listed on line.
Contact details ate on the website.
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josok
Subject: Europa-List: how to convert rivet part numbers?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Need rivets, Europa part nr are TLPD424BS and TLPD429BS. While i find lots
of rivets in the catalogs, the part numbers are different, and i have
difficulties in converting the sizes from mm to decimal? inches. Furthermore
remains the doubt that the rivets i might order are not up to to specs. Is
there a good soul with some Rosette's stone or otherwise able to tell me
what to order?
Jos Okhuijsen
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advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karel Vranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Hi Matt,
Since five days I don't receive any message from the forum anymore. Holiday
for lucky guys or is there something wrong from my side?
Any explanation is welcome.
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Vents Sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <fablef@bellsouth.net>
Fergus,
I agree with you that I don't want to open my e-mails on the list and have
to read a ton of advertisement. Just look at Sport Aviation these days.
Besides, I am a builder myself and I would like the list to concentrate in
the one and only reason for which we belong to it.... build airplanes.
As I stated before, I found myself overstocked with vents due to a change of
heart from an overseas customer. So, I thought that offering them to
builders at cost would be a nice break, while at the same time I could put
the money sitting on the shelf to other uses. Win-win situation, or so I
thought. What I didn't expect was a nasty message full of four letter
words, telling me to do things to parts of my body that never intended to
suffer that much. So for that, I apologized.
I'll make this e-mail short and sweet and say that, in the future, I will
let my website, and previouly satisfied customers, do the advertisement.
Best regards to all,
Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aluminum Vents Sale
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fablef@bellsouth.net>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aluminum Vents Sale
be
just
I
>
> Fabian,
> It is obvious from the reaction [both pro and con] that it is no
> minor consideration for the most of us. Obviously, as Matt has clearly
> pointed out there is a line and we are discussing where that line
> sits...........
> If the line is excessively permissive, who is going to permit all
> sorts of snake oil hawkers to pervert the language and waste our time? On
> the other hand if those curious as to availability have no source then
> correct contact is lost and the trade serves no one........
> The line in magazines and newspapers is obviously no longer
> discernible. It requires an 'advertisement' word on top to tell you the
> hawkers are mimicking news pages - with the hope that only the stupid will
> assume the nonsense to be valid. Our local town paper is now about 90% ads
> and we have cancelled - but in desparation they keep delivering for
'free' -
> the trees pay the price of this.
> In ham radio the same pressure applies - ham papers will publish
the
> AVAILABILITY of items (fleamarkets are rife) but will not tolerate price
or
> incentives - at least ours are so.
> It is the FORM of the item that draws the line. Stating the
> circumstances and the availability should be sufficient to attract the
> curious to the source. They are then participants in the snake oil and not
> victims. I believe the line should be drawn there. If I want a
> CharBlazer402, I should look up the URL and be prepared to scan a full
page
> of expletives to acquire one. If I don't, I should be spared the flotsam -
> or regretfully leave the list.
> I believe that was the gist of the originator's complaint, and to
> that extent I agree. IMHO Matt has also a valid point but only in this
> context.
> Yours for verbal intercourse.......
> Ferg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: how to convert rivet part numbers? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
josok wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
>Need rivets, Europa part nr are TLPD424BS and TLPD429BS. While i find lots of
rivets in the catalogs, the part numbers are different, and i have difficulties
in converting the sizes from mm to decimal? inches. Furthermore remains the
doubt that the rivets i might order are not up to to specs. Is there a good soul
with some Rosette's stone or otherwise able to tell me what to order?
>
>
>
Jos,
Aircraft Spruce has a very good break down on how to figure which rivets
you need. Most manufacturers use similar numbers. One number being the
diameter in 1/32nds", the letters denoting aluminum, steel, stainless,
etc. Check their online catalog for more information...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | RE: how to convert rivet part numbers? |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Hi Josok,
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php
has some conversion tables for USM to Cherry.
USM Pop rivet number.
M = Monel rivet
D = Dome head (or K= "Kountersunk")
4 =Nominal dia in 1/32"ths (but 3 =7/64", go figure)
1 = Measure of length, 1st digit
9 = Measure of length, 2nd digit
B = Steel stem (I think)
S = Steel stem
Can't find TLP and TAP yet......
Cherry Pop rivet number
M = Monel
S = Steel stem
P = Protruding head(or C= countersunk)
4 =Nominal dia in 1/32"ths (or 3 = 7/64")
2 = Measure of length
The drill and tap size charts in the Forum Download section is great for going
from the different units of measure.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewtopic.php?t=30
I've also attached the Cherry Catalog
Chat later,
SteveD
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| Subject: | RE: Eyeball vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
>
Paul
I rarely get vocal about these sorts of issues, but in this case I will
contribute
my thoughts. I completely agree with you and disagree with Ken. These
lists are no place for a commercial. I agree with Ken that getting
information
about a possible parts source is beneficial, but I regard ANY commercial
entry
to the list as SPAM. Perhaps there could be a location on the list similar
to the photo share area, where folks can place such information.
Jeff>>>>>>>>
Not to mention you can buy the same thing in ACS for $160.00 each.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Eyeball vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Troy Maynor wrote:
> ....
> Not to mention you can buy the same thing in ACS for $160.00 each.
Actually the orig posted "ad" did not say it was $199 for two of them.
Wicks, though, has several choices, and the black anodized aluminum
ones I have from Wicks are very well made and about $60 each. The
ones in the "ad" appear a bit larger in outlet size, though, and
should move more air.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Eyeball vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <fablef@bellsouth.net>
Same thing in the ACS for $160.00 each? Mine are $199.00 for the pair.
Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Eyeball vents
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
>
>
> >
> Paul
>
> I rarely get vocal about these sorts of issues, but in this case I will
> contribute
> my thoughts. I completely agree with you and disagree with Ken. These
> lists are no place for a commercial. I agree with Ken that getting
> information
> about a possible parts source is beneficial, but I regard ANY commercial
> entry
> to the list as SPAM. Perhaps there could be a location on the list
similar
> to the photo share area, where folks can place such information.
>
> Jeff>>>>>>>>
>
>
> Not to mention you can buy the same thing in ACS for $160.00 each.
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Eyeball vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <fablef@bellsouth.net>
Fred,
The wick vents are 1.15 inches oulet and 1.75 inches square mounting holes.
Mine have a 1-5/8" diameter outlet and 2.75 mounting pattern.
Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Eyeball vents
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> Troy Maynor wrote:
> > ....
> > Not to mention you can buy the same thing in ACS for $160.00 each.
>
> Actually the orig posted "ad" did not say it was $199 for two of them.
> Wicks, though, has several choices, and the black anodized aluminum
> ones I have from Wicks are very well made and about $60 each. The
> ones in the "ad" appear a bit larger in outlet size, though, and
> should move more air.
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Eyeball vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
What diameter is the hole?
----- Original Message -----
From: <fablef@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Eyeball vents
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <fablef@bellsouth.net>
>
> Same thing in the ACS for $160.00 each? Mine are $199.00 for the pair.
>
> Fabian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Eyeball vents
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
> >
> >
> > >
> > Paul
> >
> > I rarely get vocal about these sorts of issues, but in this case I
will
> > contribute
> > my thoughts. I completely agree with you and disagree with Ken. These
> > lists are no place for a commercial. I agree with Ken that getting
> > information
> > about a possible parts source is beneficial, but I regard ANY commercial
> > entry
> > to the list as SPAM. Perhaps there could be a location on the list
> similar
> > to the photo share area, where folks can place such information.
> >
> > Jeff>>>>>>>>
> >
> >
> > Not to mention you can buy the same thing in ACS for $160.00 each.
> >
> > Troy Maynor
> > N120EU Monowheel Classic
> > Left to finish:
> > Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Eyeball vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <fablef@bellsouth.net>
If you are familiar with Van's plastic vents, these are the same dimensions.
1-5/8" outlet, with a 2.25" eyeball and a mounting flange of 3 inches
square. The mounting holes are 2.75 inches spacing.
Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Eyeball vents
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
>
> What diameter is the hole?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fablef@bellsouth.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Eyeball vents
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: <fablef@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Same thing in the ACS for $160.00 each? Mine are $199.00 for the pair.
> >
> > Fabian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: RE: Eyeball vents
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor"
<wingnut54@charter.net>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > I rarely get vocal about these sorts of issues, but in this case I
> will
> > > contribute
> > > my thoughts. I completely agree with you and disagree with Ken.
These
> > > lists are no place for a commercial. I agree with Ken that getting
> > > information
> > > about a possible parts source is beneficial, but I regard ANY
commercial
> > > entry
> > > to the list as SPAM. Perhaps there could be a location on the list
> > similar
> > > to the photo share area, where folks can place such information.
> > >
> > > Jeff>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > >
> > > Not to mention you can buy the same thing in ACS for $160.00 each.
> > >
> > > Troy Maynor
> > > N120EU Monowheel Classic
> > > Left to finish:
> > > Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A bit of light relief |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Keith Hartley" <tarnish7@iprimus.com.au>
How about:
1. If only Keith could pick up his phone easily.
2. KW - "Just spread yourselves out a bit girls, I'm trying to hide that
aeroplane behind us"
or
3. Today's Pilot - Tomorrow's Fugitive
Keith
kit 548
> To put us all in a good mood again, I propose a caption competition.
>
> The photo is at http://www.todayspilot.co.uk/tp_rally/large/IMG_9827.jpg
>
> There is no prize but I thought it might raise a smile!
>
> Simon
> 504 G-BZTN
>
>
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