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1. 12:29 AM - Doors and painting (Steven Pitt)
2. 12:45 AM - Re: Doors and painting (NevEyre@aol.com)
3. 01:23 AM - Administrator's questionnaire (Jeremy Davey)
4. 03:12 AM - Re: A bit of light relief (Annalights@aol.com)
5. 05:29 AM - europa build website (Rowland Carson)
6. 06:00 AM - service bulletin 13 with parts? (Jos Okhuijsen)
7. 07:55 AM - Oshkosh trip (Dave Anderson)
8. 09:21 AM - Wing Conduits (Moore, Dave)
9. 09:36 AM - Fitting Aileron in Wing (David Simenauer)
10. 09:58 AM - Re: A bit of light relief (bryan allsop)
11. 11:10 AM - Subcontractor lists? (rlborger)
12. 11:23 AM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Dan Bish)
13. 11:44 AM - Re: Redux/Araldite 420 (Rocketman)
14. 11:44 AM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Gerry Holland)
15. 12:12 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Ken Stribling)
16. 12:28 PM - Re: service bulletin 13 with parts? (Rowland Carson)
17. 01:16 PM - Re: service bulletin 13 with parts? (josok)
18. 01:23 PM - A bit of light relief. (NevEyre@aol.com)
19. 01:31 PM - Re: Fitting Aileron in Wing (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
20. 01:47 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Augustene Brown)
21. 01:50 PM - Re: Fitting Aileron in Wing (NevEyre@aol.com)
22. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: service bulletin 13 with parts? (Rowland Carson)
23. 02:00 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Rob Housman)
24. 02:05 PM - Re: Administrator's questionnaire (Alan Gilbert)
25. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: service bulletin 13 with parts? (Jeremy Davey)
26. 02:52 PM - Re: Administrator's questionnaire (Jeremy Davey)
27. 03:24 PM - Re: Redux/Araldite 420 (DJGeldermann)
28. 03:41 PM - Re: Administrator's questionnaire (Dan Bish)
29. 04:08 PM - Exhausts (Tony Renshaw)
30. 04:27 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Rocketman)
31. 04:39 PM - Re: Exhausts (Tim Ward)
32. 05:11 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Dean Seitz)
33. 05:41 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Dan Bish)
34. 05:53 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (tom@tompaul.com)
35. 06:35 PM - Re: Exhausts (SteveD)
36. 08:40 PM - Re: Doors and painting (Craig Ellison)
37. 08:40 PM - Re: Administrator's questionnaire (Craig Ellison)
38. 09:14 PM - Re: Doors and painting (Tony Krzyzewski)
39. 10:12 PM - LP Aero Perspex costs (Gerry Holland)
40. 10:21 PM - Europa Exhaust System (Gerry Holland)
41. 10:29 PM - Re: LP Aero Perspex costs (Dan Bish)
42. 11:27 PM - Fitting the doors (simon miles)
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| Subject: | Doors and painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
I am ready to instal the glass in my trigear but should I be painting the doors
with UV undercoat first? The doors seem to be a different finish than the fuselage
(all bought at the same time 6 years ago) a dark grey flat finish.
Thanks in anticipation of advice.
Steve Pitt #403
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| Subject: | Re: Doors and painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Steve,
The doors [ and other grey bits] are made in Polyester Resin, scuff the grey
gelcoat off completely in the bonding area, [80 Grit] and stick the glazing
directly onto the exposed fibres.Reason ? The original rebate in the door is
2mm, the Perspex [ Plexiglass] is now 3mm thick.
The grey finnish only needs flatting before primer, the paint should be
carried over onto the perspex, to hide the glue line.There will be a joggle between
the level of the perspex, and the door skin, fill with expancell / epoxy.
Make sure you mask both sides of the glazing before you start bonding, and
use pvc tape [ electrical insulation tape] NOT PAPER MASKING TAPE. Leave the
glazing covered until after painting.
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Just a heads-up for those wondering about how to best contact the
administrators. I got (unsolicited by me) a questionnaire from Redman
Nichols this morning. I assume they are going out to all creditors and
suppliers - but I'm sure the validity of that assumption will become clear
in the next few days.
If you're a creditor I presume it would be best to hang on a few days and
wait for your copy. Also, perhaps the overseas folks could advise if they
get a questionnaire too, so we know how wide Redman Nichols are spreading
their net?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | Re: A bit of light relief |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Annalights@aol.com
No this is an illustration from the "Babes Prayer Book"
Prayer for the day - Deliver us from OurSoles.
Pat
G-PATZ
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| Subject: | europa build website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Many thanks to those who have made helpful comments on my website for
the build of Europa #435 at <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>.
I have recently updated it again, the chief improvement being a
search facility on each on the 100-odd pages in the site. I hope this
has made the site more useful to others, and welcome your reactions.
regards
Rowland
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| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | service bulletin 13 with parts? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Excellent pages they are, and while reading through them, how or where did
you obtain that 13th (sic) service bulletin? Can't find anything more
recent then 11 from July 2002 on the factory site.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> kirjoitti Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:23:26 +0100:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> Many thanks to those who have made helpful comments on my website for
> the build of Europa #435 at <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>.
> I have recently updated it again, the chief improvement being a
> search facility on each on the 100-odd pages in the site. I hope this
> has made the site more useful to others, and welcome your reactions.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
This didn't seem to go through yesterday, so here it is again!
Just a data point on the long wing Europa. I flew from Minden Nevada to OSH in
the Mini U2. The round trip great circle distance was 1424 nm X 2 2848 nmi. There
was about 10 to 15 knots of tailwind on the first 1/4 of the total flying
with a slight head wind for the second 1/4. The entire trip back had about 20
to 30 knots of headwind all the way (of course!). The long range tank was installed
and two people were onboard. The flight out was in one day. Takeoff was
at 4 am west coast time and the landing was at 715PM central time. The flight
included visiting relatives in Iowa and waiting for the airport to re-open (about
2 hours). There was also about 20 minutes of circling outside of OSH waiting
for the idiot pilots to get their act together (they closed off arrivals when
so many pilots kept messing up). The return flight had an over night stop
due to afternoon thunderstorms. I departed OSH at 730am Saturday and arrived back
in Minden Sunday - the next day at 1230 PM. The stopping point was almost
exactly the 1/2 way point (Camp Guernsey, WY).
At 28 inches and 5000 RPM at 17,500, the indicated was about 115 knots for a true
airspeed of about 158 knots. most of the flight was at 12 to 14,000 feet due
to winds.
Total fuel burn: 107.1 gallons
Average fuel price: $2.50
Total fuel cost: $268.51
Nautical miles per gallon average using the great circle distance: 26.6
Statue miles per gallon: 30.6
Not bad for "motorglider"!!!!!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
PS The only problem for the whole flight of about 25 hours tach time was the
new heater getting heat from the radiators. The good news - it worked OK. The
bad news - it is unusable due to CO entering the cabin. I bought a CO detector
that is very quick and sensitive and found CO getting to the cockpit through
the heater. It was not obvious at first, though. Once discovered and verified,
the heater was off with socks stuffed in the inlets in the footwells (all we
could come up with at the time). I was amazed that there was still CO getting
into the cabin. Once sealed off with duct tape, the readings went to zero for
the rest of the flight. It takes very little leaking to allow the CO to reach
dangerous levels. It did eventually turn the little spot dark, so this was no
drill.
Bottom line: I would never use that source for a heater - word to the wise. Even
if you fix where the CO is coming from in the engine area, a very small leak
in the baffling can allow the CO to enter the cockpit.
Back to the drawing board, but now at more relaxed pace!
PPS The show was good as usual - with a small gaggle of Europas there. It certainly
didn't look good to have the Europa booth so promative this year. Maybe
next year?????? Andy Draper was there and was good to talk to. John Hurst was
supposed to arrive on Saturday, but that was the day I and a few others (Erich
Trombley and his wife) departed.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
The build manual specifies 6mm diameter clear plastic tubing along the
wings, through the ribs, for pitot / static lines and stall warner.
I have a concern that if the tubing got blocked or damaged, it could not
be replaced easily once the wings are closed.
I note that some folk have installed plastic conduit (diameter
20-25mm..?) through which smaller diameter tubing or wiring can be run.
A couple of questions on this, please:
Is it worth installing plastic conduit? Am I just being paranoid /
overly pessimistic.!? (I am not sending any cables along the wings).
In the UK, is this a mod which needs formal approval, or could it be
checked and sanctioned by my PFA inspector? (If it is the former, is it
a PFA-accepted mod..?)
(PS I've noted previous correspondence and factory recommendations on
rib reinforcement and conduit placement).
With thanks,
Dave Moore
Monowheel #550
Aberdeen UK.
400+ Hours done & about 4000 to go......!!
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| Subject: | Fitting Aileron in Wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
I have just started to fit the port aileron into the wing. It does not fit into
the closeout on the root end (next to the flap) Should I trim back the top of
the closeout or is there something else I should do? If I trim the closeout
how far back can I safely go?
Dave Simenauer
A101
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| Subject: | Re: A bit of light relief |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
I suggest,
"I just got my money out of this guy, aren't I the clever one?" "Yeh,
me too!"
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: A bit of light relief
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> To put us all in a good mood again, I propose a caption competition.
>
> The photo is at http://www.todayspilot.co.uk/tp_rally/large/IMG_9827.jpg
>
> There is no prize but I thought it might raise a smile!
>
> Simon
> 504 G-BZTN
>
>
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| Subject: | Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Europaphiles,
Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
tooling.
Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and perhaps
we could assemble a minimum order.
Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for us.
Just some ideas.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
- 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Bob,
I need my windscreens also and I'm sure there are many others like us.
Dan
A144
N914RB
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Europaphiles,
>
> Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
> Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
> assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
> many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
> modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
> tooling.
>
> Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
> individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
> subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
>
> For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
> was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
> contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
> directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
> for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
> run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and perhaps
> we could assemble a minimum order.
>
> Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for us.
>
> Just some ideas.
>
> Good building and great flying,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
> (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
> - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
> 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Redux/Araldite 420 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Al Stills wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
>Dan and others,
>I inquired to the factory about the Epibond 420 and bought from Grayco in Texas.
Price is about the same as factory......150.00 per qt + shipping and can be
bought one qt at a time. Freight approx 25.00 into Phx........ Gray Co 817-429-0466.
>Al Stills
>A095
>
>
Listers,
First, let me thank everyone who responded to this thread, both on and
off list. At one listers recommendation, I contacted the folks who make
Aeropoxy and spoke with Scot Stettler, in their technical department.
He was most helpful and emailed me some data sheets, immediately, that
we talked about, while we were on the phone. After explaining to him
what the requirements were, and what pot life I was looking for, he
recommended that I try their ES6228 adhesive. It's used by Velocity
Aircraft, as well as others and has a shear strength of 9,500#. I
explained what I was going to use it for and that it may need to be
mixed with flox. His reply was that he was completely confident that
the material would more than meet the need. Best part is, the quart kit
(2 quarts with hardner) is only $39.20 and they were able to ship,
directly from the factory.
Given the cost difference and assurances by Scot (he steered me right
when I contacted him about the darkened hardner for Aeropoxy) that this
product will work, I ordered some. I'll follow up with my evaluation,
once I've had a chance to test it...
--
Jeff - A055
Http://www.n55xs.com
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Bob - Dan
> I need my windscreens also and I'm sure there are many others like us.
The Windscreens and Perspex came from:
LP Aero Plastics
1086 Boquet Road
Jeannette, PA
15644
USA
Tel No: +1 724 744 4448
Fax No: +1 724 744 7372
They know of Europa XS and have a range of Colour tints + the small vent if
required in windows.
I got mine from them with help of John Hurst and delivered to UK too.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine almost ready for starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit in production.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ken Stribling" <ken@striblingranch.com>
IF you find out the list off the board could you forward it my way I am
missing windscreens, doors and cowlings. I presume that motor mount and
FWF parts would come from rotex and airmaster.
Ken Stribling
Ken@striblingranch.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rlborger
Subject: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Europaphiles,
Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
tooling.
Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and perhaps
we could assemble a minimum order.
Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for us.
Just some ideas.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
- 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: service bulletin 13 with parts? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-03 16:00 +0300 Jos Okhuijsen wrote:
>how or where did
>you obtain that 13th (sic) service bulletin
Jos - it arrived in the morning post in a Jiffy-bag with the usual
Europa factory franking. I must say I was a bit surprised to get it
at that time, given all the other things going on. It only applies to
OR5 parts delivered between the beginning of May 2001 and the end of
February 2002 (there is a safety margin built into that time frame).
>Can't find anything more
>recent then 11 from July 2002 on the factory site
Haven't looked there recently, but it's perhaps to be expected that
the factory's website maintenance has had a low priority recently.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | RE: service bulletin 13 with parts? |
2.6 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
So there are really jiffy bags with parts being sent around!
Not for me to worry about then, out of my timetrame. Remains service bulletin 12,
what was that about? Anybody who knows?
regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
----------------
Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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| Subject: | A bit of light relief. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
''Selling an aeroplane is like makeing love to a beautiful woman'' said Swiss
Tony.
[This will only mean something to fans of the TV ''Fast Show]
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Aileron in Wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
In a message dated 03/08/04 17:37:40 GMT Standard Time, dsimenauer@cox.net
writes:
> I have just started to fit the port aileron into the wing. It does not fit
> into the closeout on the root end (next to the flap) Should I trim back the
> top of the closeout or is there something else I should do? If I trim the
> closeout how far back can I safely go?
>
Dave
I had a similar problem with my XS wings and asked Neville at the factory. He
sent me the following reply:
Hi John,
The best way to deal with this is as follows.
Cut away the vertical end web at the root of the aileron in it's entirety,
flush with the octaganal aileron closeout, and also cut away some of the bonded
area of the rib to the closeout, and if needed, take a slice out of the rib,
to let the closeout move up.
This will allow the closeout to spring open enough to allow the aileron to
fit.
When the aileron is fitting in the gap=A0 OK , rebond the rib to the closeout.
Hope this will help,
Cheers,
Nev.
I followed Neville's advice and this solved the problem.
Regards
John Heykoop
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Augustene Brown <augustene@cfl.rr.com>
Try:
LP Aero Plastics, 1086 Boquet Road, Jeannette, PA 15644-4707
1 800-957-2376 & 724-744-4448
www.Iparo.com Email: W indshields@lpaero.com
Ask for George....
Augustene
N398JB
500+and still going strong....
rlborger wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
>Europaphiles,
>
>Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
>Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
>assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
>many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
>modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
>tooling.
>
>Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
>individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
>subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
>
>For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
>was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
>contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
>directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
>for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
>run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and perhaps
>we could assemble a minimum order.
>
>Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for us.
>
>Just some ideas.
>
>Good building and great flying,
>Bob Borger
>Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
>http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
>(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
>system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
>Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
>- 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
>30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
>3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>Corinth, TX 76208
>Home: 940-497-2123
>Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Aileron in Wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
In adddition to John Heykoop's forwarding of a previous answer from me [
please do that, it saves me from doing it ! ] The minimum glue line width [ the
last facet of the aileron / flap closeout] which will be bonded to the upper
panel, should be 3/8'' [ 10mm in foriegn]
Don't forget to tape a piece of floor ''lino'' onto the upper leading edge of
both the aileron and flap, when closeing out the upper panel, when removed
after full cure of the Redux, you will have a uniform gap twixt the two.
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: service bulletin 13 with parts? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-03 13:16 -0700 josok wrote:
>So there are really jiffy bags with parts being sent around!
Jos - make that "were" - it was before the adminstrator moved in. And
I'll try to get Jeremy to add my journal to the links on the Club
"builders" page - obviously his new SWMBO is taking up too much of
his energy!
regards
Rowland
--
| Wilma & Rowland Carson <http://home.clara.net/rowil/>
| <rowil@clara.net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| Subject: | Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Gerry Holland provided the address and phone and fax numbers for LP Aero
Plastics, Inc. to which I will add the part numbers:
Windscreen 1460
Door windows, 1461 and 1462
It has been a few years and I may not recall correctly, but I recall that
mine were shipped from Long Beach, CA (clear replacements for the dark
tinted windows provided with the kit).
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Bish
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Bob,
I need my windscreens also and I'm sure there are many others like us.
Dan
A144
N914RB
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Europaphiles,
>
> Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
> Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
> assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
> many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
> modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
> tooling.
>
> Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
> individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
> subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
>
> For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
> was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
> contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
> directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
> for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
> run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and perhaps
> we could assemble a minimum order.
>
> Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for us.
>
> Just some ideas.
>
> Good building and great flying,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
> (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
> - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
> 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
I received mine - I wouldn't hold out too much hope for returned funds as a
creditor - Have you seen how much the Administrators are charging the
company?? Jeezus - almost as much as Wilson's salary! ! !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Just a heads-up for those wondering about how to best contact the
> administrators. I got (unsolicited by me) a questionnaire from Redman
> Nichols this morning. I assume they are going out to all creditors and
> suppliers - but I'm sure the validity of that assumption will become clear
> in the next few days.
>
>
> If you're a creditor I presume it would be best to hang on a few days and
> wait for your copy. Also, perhaps the overseas folks could advise if they
> get a questionnaire too, so we know how wide Redman Nichols are spreading
> their net?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
>
> 1200 build hours to date
>
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: service bulletin 13 with parts? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
SWMBO???? Not sure I know the abbreviation. But if you mean Liza, yes. Mind
you, she is happy for me to do plane stuff, too :-) She's even OK'd me to
buy a runway, as long as she can keep a horse on it. I can't understand,
though, why anyone would want a horse without wings, and one that didn't
always do what it's told to boot. In return for use of the runway, I've
insisted she clear up after said horse when I want to go flying... Horse poo
is strictly her responsibility until it reaches my vegetable-fertiliser
heap!
Actually the biggest blockers to progress on the Web Site updates recently
have been a change of laptop and all the work this Factory situation has
created. Sorry about that, all. Configuration of the new machine is now done
and I'm working on the updates again - including last night's update with
DaveBuzz's letter to Club members.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: service bulletin 13 with parts?
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-03 13:16 -0700 josok wrote:
>So there are really jiffy bags with parts being sent around!
Jos - make that "were" - it was before the adminstrator moved in. And
I'll try to get Jeremy to add my journal to the links on the Club
"builders" page - obviously his new SWMBO is taking up too much of
his energy!
regards
Rowland
--
| Wilma & Rowland Carson <http://home.clara.net/rowil/>
| <rowil@clara.net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| Subject: | Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
The last two paragraphs on page 2 are interesting, though...
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Gilbert
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert"
<alangilbert@classicfm.net>
I received mine - I wouldn't hold out too much hope for returned funds as a
creditor - Have you seen how much the Administrators are charging the
company?? Jeezus - almost as much as Wilson's salary! ! !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Just a heads-up for those wondering about how to best contact the
> administrators. I got (unsolicited by me) a questionnaire from Redman
> Nichols this morning. I assume they are going out to all creditors and
> suppliers - but I'm sure the validity of that assumption will become clear
> in the next few days.
>
>
> If you're a creditor I presume it would be best to hang on a few days and
> wait for your copy. Also, perhaps the overseas folks could advise if they
> get a questionnaire too, so we know how wide Redman Nichols are spreading
> their net?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
>
> 1200 build hours to date
>
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Redux/Araldite 420 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "DJGeldermann" <djgeldermann@cox.net>
Al and others,
I ordered 3 quarts from Grayco last week. Update- New price is $175 per
quart and about $26 shipping (Texas to Virginia). Thanks for the lead. I
need the stuff to keep making progress.
Dan
A-139
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Redux/Araldite 420
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Al Stills wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
> >
> >Dan and others,
> >I inquired to the factory about the Epibond 420 and bought from Grayco in
Texas. Price is about the same as factory......150.00 per qt + shipping and
can be bought one qt at a time. Freight approx 25.00 into Phx........ Gray
Co 817-429-0466.
> >Al Stills
> >A095
> >
> >
>
> Listers,
>
> First, let me thank everyone who responded to this thread, both on and
> off list. At one listers recommendation, I contacted the folks who make
> Aeropoxy and spoke with Scot Stettler, in their technical department.
> He was most helpful and emailed me some data sheets, immediately, that
> we talked about, while we were on the phone. After explaining to him
> what the requirements were, and what pot life I was looking for, he
> recommended that I try their ES6228 adhesive. It's used by Velocity
> Aircraft, as well as others and has a shear strength of 9,500#. I
> explained what I was going to use it for and that it may need to be
> mixed with flox. His reply was that he was completely confident that
> the material would more than meet the need. Best part is, the quart kit
> (2 quarts with hardner) is only $39.20 and they were able to ship,
> directly from the factory.
>
> Given the cost difference and assurances by Scot (he steered me right
> when I contacted him about the darkened hardner for Aeropoxy) that this
> product will work, I ordered some. I'll follow up with my evaluation,
> once I've had a chance to test it...
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
> Http://www.n55xs.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
No questionaire on this side of the pond.
Dan
A144
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> The last two paragraphs on page 2 are interesting, though...
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Gilbert
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert"
> <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
>
> I received mine - I wouldn't hold out too much hope for returned funds as
a
> creditor - Have you seen how much the Administrators are charging the
> company?? Jeezus - almost as much as Wilson's salary! ! !
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> >
> > Just a heads-up for those wondering about how to best contact the
> > administrators. I got (unsolicited by me) a questionnaire from Redman
> > Nichols this morning. I assume they are going out to all creditors and
> > suppliers - but I'm sure the validity of that assumption will become
clear
> > in the next few days.
> >
> >
> > If you're a creditor I presume it would be best to hang on a few days
and
> > wait for your copy. Also, perhaps the overseas folks could advise if
they
> > get a questionnaire too, so we know how wide Redman Nichols are
spreading
> > their net?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Jeremy Davey
> >
> > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> >
> > Tail done
> > Standard XS wings with mods underway
> > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> >
> > 1200 build hours to date
> >
> > Intended fit:
> > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering if the 912S exhaust is the same shape as the 912? I am
wondering about borrowing a friends as a template, but he has the 912
engine, and I intend on a 912S. Thanks in anticipation.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
rlborger wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
>Europaphiles,
>
>Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
>Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
>assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
>many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
>modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
>tooling.
>
>Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
>individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
>subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
>
>For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
>was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
>contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
>directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
>for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
>run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and perhaps
>we could assemble a minimum order.
>
>Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for us.
>
>Just some ideas.
>
>
>
While we're looking for sub contractors, I need a nose strut and fork,
as well as an electric flap actuator...
Anyone have any leads?
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Tony,
Depends on what cowlings you have and therefore cooling system, (Classic or
XS)
My Classic cowlings require a different exhaust system to the XS cowling.
Different routing due to the shape and air intake position.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph 0064 3 3515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Exhausts
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am wondering if the 912S exhaust is the same shape as the 912? I am
> wondering about borrowing a friends as a template, but he has the 912
> engine, and I intend on a 912S. Thanks in anticipation.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
>
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
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| Subject: | Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
I called LP Areo the other day and asked about windows. The woman that
answered said they only sell Europa glass to Europa. She didn't know the
situation they are in. She told me all the other people were at Oskosh right
now and would relay the message to them.
Dean Seitz
Europa XS/NG A284
N284A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Gerry Holland provided the address and phone and fax numbers for LP Aero
Plastics, Inc. to which I will add the part numbers:
Windscreen 1460
Door windows, 1461 and 1462
It has been a few years and I may not recall correctly, but I recall that
mine were shipped from Long Beach, CA (clear replacements for the dark
tinted windows provided with the kit).
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Bish
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Bob,
I need my windscreens also and I'm sure there are many others like us.
Dan
A144
N914RB
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Europaphiles,
>
> Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
> Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
> assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
> many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
> modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
> tooling.
>
> Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
> individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
> subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
>
> For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
> was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
> contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
> directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
> for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
> run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and perhaps
> we could assemble a minimum order.
>
> Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for us.
>
> Just some ideas.
>
> Good building and great flying,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
> (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
> - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
> 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Wonder what it'll cost to get a set of windows??
Dan
A144
N914RB
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
>
> I called LP Areo the other day and asked about windows. The woman that
> answered said they only sell Europa glass to Europa. She didn't know the
> situation they are in. She told me all the other people were at Oskosh
right
> now and would relay the message to them.
>
> Dean Seitz
> Europa XS/NG A284
> N284A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> Gerry Holland provided the address and phone and fax numbers for LP Aero
> Plastics, Inc. to which I will add the part numbers:
>
> Windscreen 1460
> Door windows, 1461 and 1462
> It has been a few years and I may not recall correctly, but I recall that
> mine were shipped from Long Beach, CA (clear replacements for the dark
> tinted windows provided with the kit).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Bish
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> I need my windscreens also and I'm sure there are many others like us.
>
> Dan
> A144
> N914RB
> Tucson, AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
> >
> > Europaphiles,
> >
> > Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
> > Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
> > assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
> > many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
> > modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
> > tooling.
> >
> > Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
> > individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
> > subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
> >
> > For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
> > was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
> > contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
> > directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
> > for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
> > run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and perhaps
> > we could assemble a minimum order.
> >
> > Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for us.
> >
> > Just some ideas.
> >
> > Good building and great flying,
> > Bob Borger
> > Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
> > (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> > system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> > Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
> > - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
> > 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
> > 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> > Corinth, TX 76208
> > Home: 940-497-2123
> > Cel: 817-992-1117
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
I spoke to the folks at LP Aero at Oshkosk. Here's the deal. They
can't sell anything to an individual right now, as they are waiting to
see what happens with Europa, but they assured me that if Europa folds,
they will produce the windows for the people who need them. I got the
idea that they would do it at Europa's price, rather than retail, since
most of us have already paid Europa for these.
On Aug 3, 2004, at 8:10 PM, Dean Seitz wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
>
> I called LP Areo the other day and asked about windows. The woman that
> answered said they only sell Europa glass to Europa. She didn't know
> the
> situation they are in. She told me all the other people were at Oskosh
> right
> now and would relay the message to them.
>
> Dean Seitz
> Europa XS/NG A284
> N284A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
> Housman
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> Gerry Holland provided the address and phone and fax numbers for LP
> Aero
> Plastics, Inc. to which I will add the part numbers:
>
> Windscreen 1460
> Door windows, 1461 and 1462
> It has been a few years and I may not recall correctly, but I recall
> that
> mine were shipped from Long Beach, CA (clear replacements for the dark
> tinted windows provided with the kit).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Bish
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> I need my windscreens also and I'm sure there are many others like us.
>
> Dan
> A144
> N914RB
> Tucson, AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>>
>> Europaphiles,
>>
>> Does anyone have a list of the subcontractors (U.S., U.K., E.U.) that
>> Europa used? Nuts, bolts, screws, bearing, rod-ends and all that
>> assorted hardware is available through companies like ACS, Wickes and
>> many others. Landing gear structure, engine mounts, wings, cockpit
>> modules, etc can only be obtained from those who have the needed
>> tooling.
>>
>> Would there be any possibility that an individual or group of
>> individuals (through The Europa Club, for instance) could approach the
>> subcontractors to obtain needed parts and/or spares for their kits?
>>
>> For instance, I have not received my plexi windscreens. I know there
>> was a U.S. company that produced them for Europa U.S. If the name and
>> contact information for the provider were known, I could contact them
>> directly to request a set of windscreens. Or, if it is not feasible
>> for them to produce a one-off, I could find out what a minimum product
>> run would be and I could locate others who need windscreens and
>> perhaps
>> we could assemble a minimum order.
>>
>> Perhaps some of the Europa folks could assemble this information for
>> us.
>>
>> Just some ideas.
>>
>> Good building and great flying,
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
>> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
>> (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
>> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
>> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working
>> in
>> - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
>> 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>> Corinth, TX 76208
>> Home: 940-497-2123
>> Cel: 817-992-1117
>>
>>
>
>
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> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Tony,
What little I know is
Stainless Exhausts for Rotax
is a Company called CKT
based in West of England
Listers,
I've started a list of vendors at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewforum.php?f=24
Feel free to add to it as you find more
Steved
----------------
Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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| Subject: | Re: Doors and painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Hi Neville,
What's will masking tape do to the plexi. I used it. Is there something I
should know or do now since it's still on there waiting for paint.
craig ellison
A205
----- Original Message -----
From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors and painting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Hi Steve,
> The doors [ and other grey bits] are made in Polyester Resin, scuff the
grey
> gelcoat off completely in the bonding area, [80 Grit] and stick the
glazing
> directly onto the exposed fibres.Reason ? The original rebate in the door
is
> 2mm, the Perspex [ Plexiglass] is now 3mm thick.
> The grey finnish only needs flatting before primer, the paint should be
> carried over onto the perspex, to hide the glue line.There will be a
joggle between
> the level of the perspex, and the door skin, fill with expancell / epoxy.
> Make sure you mask both sides of the glazing before you start bonding, and
> use pvc tape [ electrical insulation tape] NOT PAPER MASKING TAPE. Leave
the
> glazing covered until after painting.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
All,
I called the administrators this morning and I was not on their list to send
a questonnaire to even though I had paid for parts and not received them. I
wouldn't assume they know who has unfinished business with Europa, I'd call
and give them your mailing address.
craig ellison
A205
silverton, OR USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Just a heads-up for those wondering about how to best contact the
> administrators. I got (unsolicited by me) a questionnaire from Redman
> Nichols this morning. I assume they are going out to all creditors and
> suppliers - but I'm sure the validity of that assumption will become clear
> in the next few days.
>
>
> If you're a creditor I presume it would be best to hang on a few days and
> wait for your copy. Also, perhaps the overseas folks could advise if they
> get a questionnaire too, so we know how wide Redman Nichols are spreading
> their net?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
>
> 1200 build hours to date
>
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
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| Subject: | Doors and painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> What's will masking tape do to the plexi. I used it. Is there
something I should know or do now since it's still on there waiting for
paint.
It's a pain to get off if you leave it there for any length of time. But
all is not lost as one of the citrus based cleaners will remove the
residue. It also works very well on unset Redux.
Tony
[Still connecting white wires to white wires when I get some free time!
No smoke so far]
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| Subject: | LP Aero Perspex costs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Dan Hi!
> Wonder what it'll cost to get a set of windows??
I paid $770 for the the 3 pieces of Perspex in Light Smoke Grey (Gray) and
that included a opening 'flap' in port side window. That was 2 years ago.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine near to starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit in construction.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Europa Exhaust System |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Details of Exhaust Supplier to Europa:
C K T Aero & Automotive Engineering
Specialists in the design, development & production of lightweight tubular &
fabricated components in most materials to quality standard ISO9001:2000+
TS157 & AS9100 currently being implemented
The Old Stores
Lowman Works
Lowman Green
Tiverton
Devon
EX16 4LA
United Kingdom
Tel:=A0+1 (0) 1884 242211
Website: http://www.ckt-engineering.com/
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: LP Aero Perspex costs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Guess we could learn to live with a few bugs in our teeth!
Dan
A144
N914RB
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Europa-List: LP Aero Perspex costs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Dan Hi!
>
> > Wonder what it'll cost to get a set of windows??
>
> I paid $770 for the the 3 pieces of Perspex in Light Smoke Grey (Gray) and
> that included a opening 'flap' in port side window. That was 2 years ago.
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
> Europa 384 G-FIZY
> Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
> Engine near to starting.
> Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
> Completing Wiring to Panel.
> Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
> Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit in construction.
>
> http://www.g-fizy.com
> +44 7808 402404
> gnholland@onetel.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Fitting the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "simon miles" <simon.miles@tiscali.be>
I've started trying to fit the doors to my Tri-gear and am having a few
problems.
Firstly, the guides for the shoot-bolts in the doors interfere (very
slightly) with the door frame - I have checked the guides and they are as
flush as they can be to the doors so there appears to be no possibility of
installing the partner guides in the door frame without some surgery. Is
this normal?
Secondly, I am finding it difficult to get the doors to sit in position
without them springing-out proud of the door recess mid-way between the top
and bottom. I can't see where I should be trimming the doors to avoid this.
Advice would be appreciated.
Thirdly, if there is any other problem to look forward to with door
installation I'd be pleased to be forewarned!
Simon Miles,
Builder #508,
Top on, wheels on, 912S in, Airmaster Prop fitted.
Searching for a big enough shop to fit the wings...
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