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1. 12:00 AM - Re: Doors and painting (R.C.Harrison)
2. 12:02 AM - Re: Fitting the doors (Gerry Holland)
3. 12:17 AM - Re: Wing Conduits (Jeremy Davey)
4. 12:18 AM - Re: Administrator's questionnaire (Jeremy Davey)
5. 02:07 AM - exhaust blackening and tyre wear (Richard Iddon)
6. 02:29 AM - Re: exhaust blackening and tyre wear (Mark Burton)
7. 03:47 AM - Administrator's e-mail????? etc etc (Tony Renshaw)
8. 04:13 AM - Re:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August (Alan Burrows)
9. 04:27 AM - EMIL Administrator's contact and notes (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
10. 05:10 AM - Re: Administrator's questionnaire (josok)
11. 06:25 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 42 Msgs - 08/03/04 (Graham Singleton)
12. 06:45 AM - Oshkosh (Graham Singleton)
13. 06:47 AM - Do I have a record? (Vaughn Teegarden)
14. 06:53 AM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Troy Maynor)
15. 07:03 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 42 Msgs - 08/03/04 (Doug Lawton)
16. 07:38 AM - Re: Fitting the doors (Troy Maynor)
17. 08:04 AM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (rlborger)
18. 08:05 AM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Dean Wiegand)
19. 08:39 AM - Re: Doors and painting (Fred Fillinger)
20. 08:52 AM - Re: Fitting the doors (Fred Fillinger)
21. 09:03 AM - Lightnoing Strike (Paul McAllister)
22. 09:05 AM - Tailkit dilemma (Europa)
23. 09:21 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (Paul Boulet)
24. 09:29 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Fred Fillinger)
25. 09:41 AM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
26. 10:24 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (M.J. Gregory)
27. 10:24 AM - Re: Lightnoing Strike (Chris Beck)
28. 10:38 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
29. 10:47 AM - Re: exhaust blackening and tyre wear (bryan allsop)
30. 10:51 AM - Re: Re:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August (bryan allsop)
31. 11:03 AM - Retail source for KILOVAC CAP200 low holdin battery contactor (Paul McAllister)
32. 11:23 AM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Joe Proctor)
33. 11:27 AM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Joe Proctor)
34. 11:35 AM - Europa list a bit of light relief (User)
35. 11:52 AM - Re: Re:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August (Duncan McFadyean)
36. 12:07 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Duncan McFadyean)
37. 12:12 PM - Re: Administrator's questionnaire (Rowland Carson)
38. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: service bulletin 13 with parts? (Rowland Carson)
39. 12:12 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Rowland Carson)
40. 12:13 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Rocketman)
41. 12:15 PM - Re: Doors and painting (Rocketman)
42. 12:16 PM - Re: Lightning Strike (Duncan McFadyean)
43. 12:36 PM - Lightning and all........ (Fergus Kyle)
44. 01:11 PM - Rotax 912 S E.G.T's (philip george)
45. 01:46 PM - Re: Subcontractor lists? (Rowland Carson)
46. 01:46 PM - Re: Tailkit dilemma (Rowland Carson)
47. 02:50 PM - Subcontractor List. (NevEyre@aol.com)
48. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: Administrator's questionnaire (Jeremy Davey)
49. 03:25 PM - Re: Lightnoing Strike (Jeremy Davey)
50. 03:33 PM - Re: Europa list a bit of light relief (Jeremy Davey)
51. 03:42 PM - tech support (Fred R. Klein)
52. 03:53 PM - Re: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's (Paul McAllister)
53. 04:01 PM - Re: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's (Duncan McFadyean)
54. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Administrator's questionnaire (Fred R. Klein)
55. 04:36 PM - Removing Paint from Engine Mount????? (Tony Renshaw)
56. 04:37 PM - Re: Lightning Strike (Fred Fillinger)
57. 05:15 PM - Re: Subcontractors Lists (rlborger)
58. 06:13 PM - Re: Retail source for KILOVAC CAP200 low holdin (Jim Brown)
59. 06:19 PM - Re: Lightnoing Strike (JR (Bob) Gowing)
60. 07:06 PM - Re: Lightning Strike ()
61. 07:34 PM - Re: Doors and painting (Craig Ellison)
62. 09:31 PM - glider wing C-spar (steve)
63. 11:24 PM - Re: glider wing C-spar (NevEyre@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Doors and painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Craig.
The adhesive on masking tape dries hard and is difficult to remove.
Also masking tape can't be stretched to give gentle curves as can pvc
electricians tape.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors and painting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
<craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Neville,
>
> What's will masking tape do to the plexi. I used it. Is there something
I
> should know or do now since it's still on there waiting for paint.
>
> craig ellison
> A205
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors and painting
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> > The doors [ and other grey bits] are made in Polyester Resin, scuff the
> grey
> > gelcoat off completely in the bonding area, [80 Grit] and stick the
> glazing
> > directly onto the exposed fibres.Reason ? The original rebate in the
door
> is
> > 2mm, the Perspex [ Plexiglass] is now 3mm thick.
> > The grey finnish only needs flatting before primer, the paint should be
> > carried over onto the perspex, to hide the glue line.There will be a
> joggle between
> > the level of the perspex, and the door skin, fill with expancell /
epoxy.
> > Make sure you mask both sides of the glazing before you start bonding,
and
> > use pvc tape [ electrical insulation tape] NOT PAPER MASKING TAPE. Leave
> the
> > glazing covered until after painting.
> > Cheers,
> > Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Simon Hi!
> I've started trying to fit the doors to my Tri-gear and am having a few
> problems.
Just to make you feel better.... The Engine Cowlings are even worse but...
>
> Firstly, the guides for the shoot-bolts in the doors interfere (very
> slightly) with the door frame - I have checked the guides and they are as
> flush as they can be to the doors so there appears to be no possibility of
> installing the partner guides in the door frame without some surgery. Is
> this normal?
As I remember I did have to recess the Fuselage door frame positions
slightly but ensuring a good foundation of Redux/Flox Mix at rear of
fitting. It all works fine now.
>
> Secondly, I am finding it difficult to get the doors to sit in position
> without them springing-out proud of the door recess mid-way between the top
> and bottom. I can't see where I should be trimming the doors to avoid this.
> Advice would be appreciated.
Not sure why. I did have a similar situation and decided on taking a happy
medium. The Door hinged Ok and shut Ok but did rise slightly above the
Fuselage 'natural' profile. I minimised that appearance by subtly add a
little filler to fuselage in that area to maintain a more continuous line.
It looks OK now and it wasn't a lot of added filler.
> Thirdly, if there is any other problem to look forward to with door
> installation I'd be pleased to be forewarned!
Not really. You are reversing the Gas struts? Might be worth adding 'D'
handles to rear inner door skin to assist with efficient closure of rear
pin.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine near to starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit in construction.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Dave,
IMHO it's well worth doing - especially since if we get extended privileges
in the UK in the future you'll want to run wires down for lights. It adds
bugger-all weight.
The Club is producing a 'Standard Mod' (in PFA terminology) for this based
on my approved mod. It's intended to test the new PFA system, too. Talk to
Ian Rickard if you need details in a hurry!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moore, Dave
Subject: Europa-List: Wing Conduits
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
The build manual specifies 6mm diameter clear plastic tubing along the
wings, through the ribs, for pitot / static lines and stall warner.
I have a concern that if the tubing got blocked or damaged, it could not
be replaced easily once the wings are closed.
I note that some folk have installed plastic conduit (diameter
20-25mm..?) through which smaller diameter tubing or wiring can be run.
A couple of questions on this, please:
Is it worth installing plastic conduit? Am I just being paranoid /
overly pessimistic.!? (I am not sending any cables along the wings).
In the UK, is this a mod which needs formal approval, or could it be
checked and sanctioned by my PFA inspector? (If it is the former, is it
a PFA-accepted mod..?)
(PS I've noted previous correspondence and factory recommendations on
rib reinforcement and conduit placement).
With thanks,
Dave Moore
Monowheel #550
Aberdeen UK.
400+ Hours done & about 4000 to go......!!
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| Subject: | Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
I'd expect it to take 5 days or so to cross the pond, Dan - anyone else over
there or in Oz, France, Finland, etc. got one yet?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bish
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
No questionaire on this side of the pond.
Dan
A144
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> The last two paragraphs on page 2 are interesting, though...
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Gilbert
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert"
> <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
>
> I received mine - I wouldn't hold out too much hope for returned funds as
a
> creditor - Have you seen how much the Administrators are charging the
> company?? Jeezus - almost as much as Wilson's salary! ! !
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> >
> > Just a heads-up for those wondering about how to best contact the
> > administrators. I got (unsolicited by me) a questionnaire from Redman
> > Nichols this morning. I assume they are going out to all creditors and
> > suppliers - but I'm sure the validity of that assumption will become
clear
> > in the next few days.
> >
> >
> > If you're a creditor I presume it would be best to hang on a few days
and
> > wait for your copy. Also, perhaps the overseas folks could advise if
they
> > get a questionnaire too, so we know how wide Redman Nichols are
spreading
> > their net?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Jeremy Davey
> >
> > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> >
> > Tail done
> > Standard XS wings with mods underway
> > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> >
> > 1200 build hours to date
> >
> > Intended fit:
> > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | exhaust blackening and tyre wear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
On checking my engine bay (912S, approx 80 hours) I note that there is a
good deal of blackening around various parts, presumably caused by a
slight leak somewhere from the exhaust. Is it acceptable to use an
exhaust sealant (like Gun Gum) in the silencer sockets when assembling
to reduce the amount of exhaust fumes escaping or should they just be
assembled dry?
Also, due to my inexpertise in crosswind landings, I seem to have
scrubbed the outside of my tyres off considerably more than the inside.
Is it acceptable to reverse the tyres on the rims to even out the wear?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust blackening and tyre wear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
Richard,
> Also, due to my inexpertise in crosswind landings, I seem to have
> scrubbed the outside of my tyres off considerably more than the inside.
> Is it acceptable to reverse the tyres on the rims to even out the wear?
Uneven main gear tyre wear is very common on Europa tri-gears.
I have heard it said that this is due to bad alignment of the main
gear axles. That may be true but my belief is that the main gear tyres
supplied by Europa are not suitable for the aircraft when it is used
on tarmac (or at all) due to their very soft compound and lack of
rigidity. (just my opinion, I have no expertise in tyres).
Having worn out a set of main gear tyres in no time at all, I decided
to fit something better. G-NEAT is now fitted with Goodyear
FlightCustom III 6 ply tyres (inflated to 30PSI) and they have now
been used for 36 (flight) hours with very little sign of wear. This
has included a lot of taxying on tarmac. Even though they are twice
the price of the other tyres, I am confident that they will provide
much better value. One caveat, they have a much "squarer" profile and
I am told that it is possible that they will foul the wheel spat
cutouts.
Regards,
Mark
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| Subject: | Administrator's e-mail????? etc etc |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
No notice from the administrators downunder, here inAussie. Any update on
the e-mail address to use to get to the administrator? I have only used the
one which addresses an individual, and that is a little easy to claim you
didn't receive a message. I have sent my first message to:
stephanie.coulter@redman-nichols.co.uk
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 05:18 PM 8/4/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
>I'd expect it to take 5 days or so to cross the pond, Dan - anyone else over
>there or in Oz, France, Finland, etc. got one yet?
>
>Regards,
>Jeremy
>
>Jeremy Davey
>Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>Tail done
>Standard XS wings with mods underway
>CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
>1200 build hours to date
>Intended fit:
>Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
>Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bish
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
>
>No questionaire on this side of the pond.
>
>Dan
>A144
>Tucson, AZ
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> >
> > The last two paragraphs on page 2 are interesting, though...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Jeremy Davey
> > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> > Tail done
> > Standard XS wings with mods underway
> > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> > 1200 build hours to date
> > Intended fit:
> > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Gilbert
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert"
> > <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
> >
> > I received mine - I wouldn't hold out too much hope for returned funds as
>a
> > creditor - Have you seen how much the Administrators are charging the
> > company?? Jeezus - almost as much as Wilson's salary! ! !
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> > To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Administrator's questionnaire
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
><EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> > >
> > > Just a heads-up for those wondering about how to best contact the
> > > administrators. I got (unsolicited by me) a questionnaire from Redman
> > > Nichols this morning. I assume they are going out to all creditors and
> > > suppliers - but I'm sure the validity of that assumption will become
>clear
> > > in the next few days.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you're a creditor I presume it would be best to hang on a few days
>and
> > > wait for your copy. Also, perhaps the overseas folks could advise if
>they
> > > get a questionnaire too, so we know how wide Redman Nichols are
>spreading
> > > their net?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jeremy
> > >
> > > Jeremy Davey
> > >
> > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> > >
> > > Tail done
> > > Standard XS wings with mods underway
> > > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> > >
> > > 1200 build hours to date
> > >
> > > Intended fit:
> > > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> > > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Anyone still need accommodation or transport this weekend? I have
details available if you need them. Also I will have my car around for
anyone needing a ride.
Alan
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| Subject: | EMIL Administrator's contact and notes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
<<<<<<
Gidday,
No notice from the administrators downunder, here inAussie. Any update on the e-mail
address to use to get to the administrator? I have only used the one which
addresses an individual, and that is a little easy to claim you didn't receive
a message. I have sent my first message to:
stephanie.coulter@redman-nichols.co.uk
Reg
Tony Renshaw
>>>>>
Tony, and All,
The text of a message to members is now available on:
http://www.europaclub.org.uk
in the 'News' section under 'Europa club'
This gives full contact details for the Administrator, and I would recommend
ALL builders contact him and *consider* registering whatever interest you may
still have with EMIL. Some Europa owners have received a letter from the administrator
already.
It also gives the latest news about EMIL. There has been no public statement
from anyone involved with the firm, and no-one on the Club committee has been
advised of any action/plans for the future. At the moment we can only wait for
answers from those involved, so please dont inundate Rowland with 'what's happening'
emails!
It's good to see a list starting for suppliers of parts Steve - but unfortunate
that some suppliers are still not aware of EMIL's problems and wont yet deal
direct with builders. Perhaps giving them the Administrators contact details
will speed things up. We dont yet know the position of parts suppliers in the
UK/ Europe, but are trying to find out.
When there's more to say, the Club will say it: Members will get it first ;-)
All the best,
dave bosomworth
Europa Club Chairman
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| Subject: | RE: Administrator's questionnaire |
2.6 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Yes, Finland!
Letter arrived today, the 4th of Aug. 2004. Not that i have much outstanding. Did
not get the sticky stuff dispenser that i paid for, but got some hingewire
and the stall warner mod delivered. Have to wade through the bills to get the
amounts.
----------------
Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 42 Msgs - 08/03/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 03/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Subcontractor lists?
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
>Bob,
>
>I need my windscreens also and I'm sure there are many others like us.
>
>Dan
>A144
Dan & Bob
The US windscreens are made by LP Aero, the UK and Europe ones by me. I do
have a few sets in stock,
European ones are mostly bronze, LP Aero use gray smoked. Clear is always
available but not always in stock.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 03/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
Oshkosh visitors
this might interest you, especially if you have broadband, (which I don't !:-(>
Rick flies an EZ btw.
Graham
Thanks satellite guys! A beautiful picture that includes an empty
parking space where my airplane was just hours before. :-<
Rick Maddy wrote:
> You just have to look at the coolest picture I've ever seen. Go to
> http://www.airventure.org and scroll to the bottom. Click on the small
> satellite photo for links to full versions. The big one (2MB) is
> absolutely cool. It was taken sometime Saturday the 31st. I know it is
> after 10am because that's when Marc left and I can see where he was
> parked.
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| Subject: | Do I have a record? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
I ordered my kit (A289) at the end of December, 2004 and still don't have it.
Do I qualify for some kind of award or at least a mention in the record books.
Is it really worth waiting much longer or should I cancel my order. I'm really
torn.....Vaughn
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Wonder what it'll cost to get a set of windows??<<<
For what it's worth as a reference only, Europa's price about a year ago was
$186.00 for each piece (x 3) for medium smoked grey.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 42 Msgs - 08/03/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Bob,
I too need my windscreens. And they have been "ordered" through the
Lakeland office. But as yet I've had no response from John.
Doug
A244
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
<<<I have checked the guides and they are as
flush as they can be to the doors so there appears to be no possibility of
installing the partner guides in the door frame without some surgery. Is
this normal?>>>
It was for me. I had to sand each mating guide flat a little to allow the
doors to close. Be shure you have at least 1/2 inch of the unradiused (or
the straight part)shoot bolt penetration when the latch is closes.
<<<Secondly, I am finding it difficult to get the doors to sit in position
without them springing-out proud of the door recess mid-way between the top
and bottom. I can't see where I should be trimming the doors to avoid this.
Advice would be appreciated.>>>
Maybe leaving them strapped down tightly with baggage straps with small
spacers at top and bottom will take out some of the bow.(?)
<<<Thirdly, if there is any other problem to look forward to with door
installation I'd be pleased to be forewarned!>>
Several Things, others may disagree.
Change the gas strut attaching locations to keep it from deforming the door
to fuselage alignment as many have done.
For the same reason, lay up some carbon uni in the 14 to 16 inch area of the
door. Even with the gas strut attach points reversed, the door still has a
little outward bow to it. Do this in the already strong sides not the thin
skin front.
A pull handle is needed at the rear of the door to close it against the
weather seal from the inside. The inside skin is too thin on its own to
attach to only this unless it is near the stronger edge areas. Just think
about this.
Turn the bolt and nut around that holds the handle to the latch mechnism.
Flox the bolt head into the outside handle and fill leaving only the nut to
be loosened inside. The manual says to redux the splash-made cover over the
latching mechanism but I put mine back on with anchor nuts and screws so it
maintenance friendly.
This may be more than you wanted to know but ...
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Eruopaphiles,
I appreciate the very positive response to my suggestion.
I will do my best to collect subcontractor information as it is
presented to me on or off the web. I will also try to gather names and
e-mails for anyone who needs parts.
I also see that Steve D has added a subcontractors list to The Europa
Forum. Thanks Steve. Perhaps you could add a place where folks could
add their contact info and a list of parts owed?
I have dropped an e-mail to L P Aero concerning Plexi. I will follow
up later today with a phone call. When I have any information, I will
post it to The Digest..
We'll get through this mess if we all work together.
Personally, I'm not in that bad a shape from a parts availability
standpoint. Europa owes me Plexi, Airmaster C/S Prop & Controller, 2nd
alternator, trailer and interior kit. Only the plexi presently can't
be 2nd sourced. The rest is only $$$$$$ (or or sorry don't have
a Euro symbol right now).
Speaking of props... I have been in touch with Mr. Martin Eskildsen,
General Manager at Airmaster and they have offered to provide props at
a 20% discount for those who have ordered, paid for and not had a prop
delivered through Europa.
If other subcontractors are willing to provide similar support to L P
Aero Plastics and Airmaster we may be able to get through this.
Gotta get back to fitting the tie bar (page 27-8 Step 10).
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
- 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
Does anyone have a complete firewall back inventory list? I am looking for
something with all the kit parts kits on one list , hopefully in MS Excel
Thanks
Dean Wiegand
Mankato Minnesota USA
email: dwiegand@ice-telecom.net
web: http://www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
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| Subject: | Re: Doors and painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> ...
> use pick tape [ electrical insulation tape] NOT PAPER MASKING TAPE.
> Leave the glazing covered until after painting.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
Agree that common masking is completely inappropriate for paint lines.
Preferable to electrical tape I think is a 3M product sold by auto
body supply stores -- a plastic "fine line" tape in many widths down
to 1/8" in. Is what pros use for fancy trim striping.
However, there is an excellent masking tape dubbed Easy Mask
"KleenEdge" -- no space for googling purposes -- and outstanding for
even household uses. It doesn't dry out quickly sitting on the shelf
after opening the package, and it removes easy even after months.
It's actually adequate enough for doing the paint lines, but in the
U.S. I've seen it only at WalMart.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
simon miles wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "simon miles"
<simon.miles@tiscali.be>
>
> I've started trying to fit the doors to my Tri-gear and am having a
few
> problems.
>
> Firstly, the guides for the shoot-bolts in the doors interfere (very
> slightly) with the door frame - I have checked the guides and they
are as
> flush as they can be to the doors so there appears to be no
possibility of
> installing the partner guides in the door frame without some
surgery. Is
> this normal?
It's normal only with homebuilt A/C, kitplane notwithstanding! There
appears more than enough beef in the exposed part of the shoot bolt
guide to grind down to suit. Then grind and reshape the pointy part
of the shoot bolt.
It can still strike the fuselage door surround in wind and prop wash,
so I added "striker plates" made from .018" stainless steel strip sold
by my local hobby store for about $1, and they had .010" if preferred.
Best if formed to wrap around the 90-deg bend in the surround, and it
will be reasonably flush if a recess is Dremel'd out by removing
basically epoxy, not cutting a lot of fibers. Glue into place; cr. to
Tony K for the basic idea..
Drilling a 1/'2" hole in thin SS won't be easy, but I sandwiched it
between two thin pieces of hard wood and used a Black and Decker
"Bullet Bit." A very handy tool elsewhere in the build, and any bit
which cuts around the circumference vs. the point of the drill except
in a pilot hole does the job if a real slow drill speed is used.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Lightnoing Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I departed yesterday from KUES up to Canada. About 90 minutes into the trip I
took a lightning hit. The weather was forecasted VFR clear, however about 70
minutes into the trip I began to suspect all was "not as advertised". I noticed
a cloud about 15 miles of my port side this looked ominous so I diverted away
from it. I was about to call flight service when suddenly I saw a bright flash
on the tip of my starboard wind. The starboard side was clear weather so
I may have been struck from the port side, but it was hard to tell. The main
contactor dropped off line so things went pretty quite until I kicked in the
"E Buss" circuit.
Damage is as follows. The paint is blistered on the starboard wing tip and the
port side is only blackened. Internal inspection reveals no sign of burning.
The wind tip lights are destroyed with some of the screws melted. My Narco
122 VOR/LOC/GS is destroyed, my Navaids the electronic fuel gauge, the main battery
contactor and the manifold pressure sensing input to the EIS engine monitor.
The Apollo GX 60 GPS/NAV/Com and transponder survived.
There appears to by no structural damage to the aircraft or welding of the control
elements. I will know more over the next few days. It appeared that the
lighting entered a wing tip, traveled along the common ground between the LED
wing tip lights and exited the other wing tip.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa <europa@brownfamily.org.uk>
Hi folks,
having absorbed the blow of emil crashing I'm left with a mostly
completed tailkit and no currrent prospect of getting the wings and
fusilage (or my gbp1500 deposit for that matter). The only positive is
that I've only paid for the tailkit.
Who else out there is in a similar position? I wonder if there is any
way to cut my losses - don't suppose it would hurt to put what I have on
ebay... or I could buy someone else's kit...
Andy Brown - kit 588 (grrr!!!) - in the Scottish Highlands
control surfaces mostly complete
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Wow what a wild ride. So sorry to hear of your misfortune... this is the first
lightning strike I've heard of in a Europa. Can anything be done to prevent
future damage? Anyone know?
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA
Awaiting test pilot to complete initial flight testing
Do not archive
Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net> wrote:
...Damage is as follows. The paint is blistered on the starboard wing tip and the
port side is only blackened. Internal inspection reveals no sign of burning.
The wind tip lights are destroyed with some of the screws melted. My Narco 122
VOR/LOC/GS is destroyed, my Navaids the electronic fuel gauge, the main battery
contactor and the manifold pressure sensing input to the EIS engine monitor.
The Apollo GX 60 GPS/NAV/Com and transponder survived.
There appears to by no structural damage to the aircraft or welding of the control
elements. I will know more over the next few days. It appeared that the lighting
entered a wing tip, traveled along the common ground between the LED wing
tip lights and exited the other wing tip.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Thanks satellite guys! A beautiful picture that includes an empty
> parking space where my airplane was just hours before. :-<
>
www.keyhole.com ofers a subscription service where you can get online
views of anywhere, including zoom down and tilt, but only highest
resolution for populous areas such as to see my red truck was in my
driveway when the sat passed over. Great little play toy for pilots
alone as tool for x-country flight planning, and a serious tool for
home buyers to quickly tour the neighborhood from the home desktop.
But...broadband connection and oodles of RAM will really earn their
keep.
Do not archive
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hey Jeff,
I too needed the actuator. Europa gets them from
Motion Systems Corp.
600 Industrial Way West
Eatontown, NJ 07724
Phone 732 222-1800
Fax 732 389-9191
I ordered:
Ball Drive Actuator
P/N 85615
4" Stroke
15:1 Reduction
12 VDC 7400 RPM Motor
Support Bushing
Cover Tube
Rod End TM-4
Type "C" Gearbox Housing
1/4" dia. 90 std
$225
Then you will probably have to get some "U" channel to make a mounting
bracket.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Lightning Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Paul,
Many thanks for giving details of your lightning strike incident. It
appears that the ground for your wing tip lights may have acted as a
diverter to prevent the lightning current passing through the controls and
ruining the entire day.
I see from the Europa Club membership list that you are running a Rotax 914.
When you say that things went pretty quiet because the main contactor
dropped off line, did this include the engine stopping because neither
electric fuel pump received any power, or did one fuel pump continue to work
with a supply direct from the alternator? Your wiring of an E-buss
(endurance/essential) circuit was presumably the only way to restore power
to what was left of your electronics once the main contactor had been
knocked out.
Once you have completed your investigation, apart from posting any further
details on this forum, it would be useful to publish the complete story in
the Europa Flyer, preferably with pictures. I am sure the new Editor, Peter
Grant, would appreciate your input to editor@europaclub.org.uk.
Best regards
Mike
Mike Gregory, Europa Club Safety Officer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Lightnoing Strike
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I departed yesterday from KUES up to Canada. About 90 minutes into the trip
I took a lightning hit. The weather was forecasted VFR clear, however about
70 minutes into the trip I began to suspect all was "not as advertised". I
noticed a cloud about 15 miles of my port side this looked ominous so I
diverted away from it. I was about to call flight service when suddenly I
saw a bright flash on the tip of my starboard wind. The starboard side was
clear weather so I may have been struck from the port side, but it was hard
to tell. The main contactor dropped off line so things went pretty quite
until I kicked in the "E Buss" circuit.
Damage is as follows. The paint is blistered on the starboard wing tip and
the port side is only blackened. Internal inspection reveals no sign of
burning. The wind tip lights are destroyed with some of the screws melted.
My Narco 122 VOR/LOC/GS is destroyed, my Navaids the electronic fuel gauge,
the main battery contactor and the manifold pressure sensing input to the
EIS engine monitor. The Apollo GX 60 GPS/NAV/Com and transponder survived.
There appears to by no structural damage to the aircraft or welding of the
control elements. I will know more over the next few days. It appeared
that the lighting entered a wing tip, traveled along the common ground
between the LED wing tip lights and exited the other wing tip.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Lightnoing Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Chris Beck" <n9zes@execpc.com>
Whollyt freakin' cow, man! You're a very lucky person!
Yeah, I was chuckling yesterday as in the a.m. the weathermen dropped
all precipitation from the forecast for the day, and later on in the
afternoon there was baseball size 'clear and sunny' falling on parts of
our area along with tornado warnings and severe thunderstorm watches.
Must be nice to be a weatherman and get paid for being wrong.
I was also thinking of taking up one of West Bend Air's 172's and
putting around for a while, but that idea quickly went away when I saw
the dark clouds in the west.
Glad to hear you are ok, Paul. Radios can be replaced...
Chris
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I departed yesterday from KUES up to Canada. About 90 minutes into
the trip I took a lightning hit. The weather was forecasted VFR clear,
however about 70 minutes into the trip I began to suspect all was "not
as advertised". I noticed a cloud about 15 miles of my port side this
looked ominous so I diverted away from it. I was about to call flight
service when suddenly I saw a bright flash on the tip of my starboard
wind. The starboard side was clear weather so I may have been struck
from the port side, but it was hard to tell. The main contactor
dropped off line so things went pretty quite until I kicked in the "E
Buss" circuit.
>
> Damage is as follows. The paint is blistered on the starboard wing
tip and the port side is only blackened. Internal inspection reveals
no sign of burning. The wind tip lights are destroyed with some of the
screws melted. My Narco 122 VOR/LOC/GS is destroyed, my Navaids the
electronic fuel gauge, the main battery contactor and the manifold
pressure sensing input to the EIS engine monitor. The Apollo GX 60
GPS/NAV/Com and transponder survived.
>
> There appears to by no structural damage to the aircraft or welding
of the control elements. I will know more over the next few days. It
appeared that the lighting entered a wing tip, traveled along the
common ground between the LED wing tip lights and exited the other wing
tip.
>
> Paul
>
>
> _-
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>
>
>
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>
>
> _____________________________________________________
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Paul,
I hope you bought a lottery tix when you got down because you were having
one lucky day. Yes! Photos! Please......
Do Not Archive.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust blackening and tyre wear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Richard,
Try converting it to a Mono, you'll get even wear both sides then.
Best regards. Bryan Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: Europa-List: exhaust blackening and tyre wear
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> On checking my engine bay (912S, approx 80 hours) I note that there is a
> good deal of blackening around various parts, presumably caused by a
> slight leak somewhere from the exhaust. Is it acceptable to use an
> exhaust sealant (like Gun Gum) in the silencer sockets when assembling
> to reduce the amount of exhaust fumes escaping or should they just be
> assembled dry?
>
> Also, due to my inexpertise in crosswind landings, I seem to have
> scrubbed the outside of my tyres off considerably more than the inside.
> Is it acceptable to reverse the tyres on the rims to even out the wear?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Alan,
I think that the weather is going to put us off. We were gong to camp over
night on Saturday. Sad, but that is flying
Best regards Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Europa-List: RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>
> Anyone still need accommodation or transport this weekend? I have
> details available if you need them. Also I will have my car around for
> anyone needing a ride.
>
> Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | Retail source for KILOVAC CAP200 low holdin battery contactor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I installed one of these in my Europa and I can't remember where I purchased it
from. Its made by Tyco. I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me the retail source
for them. The original one got sent to the "contactor heaven in the sky"
by a visit from the lighting demon.
Off to buy some lottery tickets......
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
He
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
>
> Does anyone have a complete firewall back inventory list? I am looking
for
> something with all the kit parts kits on one list , hopefully in MS Excel
>
> Thanks
>
> Dean Wiegand
> Mankato Minnesota USA
> email: dwiegand@ice-telecom.net
> web: http://www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Hey list
I need a firewall aft list as well. I know that I need the glass as well.
Thanks in advance.
Joe
A272
pjoe2@qwest.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
>
> Does anyone have a complete firewall back inventory list? I am looking
for
> something with all the kit parts kits on one list , hopefully in MS Excel
>
> Thanks
>
> Dean Wiegand
> Mankato Minnesota USA
> email: dwiegand@ice-telecom.net
> web: http://www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "User" <nfrance@avnet.co.uk>
My entry for the caption competition,
Keith is saying ; '' OK Ray, I'll keep Neville distracted with these two
whilst you go and use his computer,....and don't forget to put me a good
word in as well as yourself.......''
Neil
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| Subject: | Re: RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
The Wx forecast is looking too poor to venture out this w'end!
Duncan Mcf.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Europa-List: RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>
> Anyone still need accommodation or transport this weekend? I have
> details available if you need them. Also I will have my car around for
> anyone needing a ride.
>
> Alan
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Watch out!
If you let them know that your use of the servo is for flight-critical
operations they won't deal with you.
Non flight-critical uses (such as oil cooler vent FLAP) is OK.
If anyone in the UK needs one of these servos then I'd be happy to part with
mine; I'll then order a new servo with a longer stroke more suited to the
fixed-taildragger conversion.
Duncan McF
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----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Subcontractor lists?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> I too needed the actuator. Europa gets them from
>
> Motion Systems Corp.
> 600 Industrial Way West
> Eatontown, NJ 07724
> Phone 732 222-1800
> Fax 732 389-9191
>
> I ordered:
>
> Ball Drive Actuator
> P/N 85615
> 4" Stroke
> 15:1 Reduction
> 12 VDC 7400 RPM Motor
> Support Bushing
> Cover Tube
> Rod End TM-4
> Type "C" Gearbox Housing
> 1/4" dia. 90 std
> $225
>
> Then you will probably have to get some "U" channel to make a mounting
> bracket.
>
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
> that.
>
>
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| Subject: | Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-03 22:34 +0100 Jeremy Davey wrote:
>The last two paragraphs on page 2 are interesting, though...
For the benefit of those who haven't received a questionnare, the
paras in question are reproduced below (no I didn't ask if I could
quote them):
"I have a duty to consider whether the conduct of those who have been
directors of the company at any time within the 3 years preceding my
appointment makes them unfit to be concerned in the management of a
company. In addition, as part of my firm's standard procedures, I
shall be considering whether any civil proceeedings can be brought
against such persons or indeed others for the recovery of company
assets or to otherwise enhance the administration estate.
Therefore if there are any matters which you consider I should be
made aware of, please complete and return to me this questionnaire.
This request forms part of my firm's standard investigation
procedures and does not imply that there may be a cause of action
lying against any person concerned in the manageent of the affairs of
the company."
I imagine you could get a copy of the questionnaire by contacting
them at the e-mail address given on my copy of the letter:
<info@redman-nichols.co.uk>.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | RE: service bulletin 13 with parts? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-03 22:32 +0100 Jeremy Davey wrote:
>SWMBO????
She Who Must Be Obeyed ...
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Subcontractor lists? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-03 20:10 -0400 Dean Seitz wrote:
>I called LP Areo the other day and asked about windows. The woman that
>answered said they only sell Europa glass to Europa.
I've been thinking about this whole business of subcontractors,
trying to imagine the motives for various course of action.
If I was considering putting together some sort of financial rescue
package for the Europa factory (which I am not!) I believe I'd want
the administrators to keep that list of subcontractors close to their
chest. If the list gets public now, then later when I unveil The New
Europa Company, people may not want to buy stuff from me if they
think they can get it direct from the original manufacturer for a
similar price. Perhaps my markup on the bulk price I'd get from the
supplier might bring it close to the supplier's one-off price to
individuals. That fear of that situation might even prevent a New
Europa Company emerging at all. I'm sure most of us would prefer to
see the company revived in some fashion, but a headlong rush to track
down all the factory's suppliers could actually diminish the chances
of that happening.
On the other hand, if I was one of those suppliers, I might prefer to
do bulk deals with the factory (provided they paid!) than ship ones
and twos to individuals all over the place with all the extra hassle
that could give me, so maybe the previous scenario might not arise.
Looks like LP Aero is in this camp at present.
A lot depends on how urgently parts are needed by customers. I may be
wildly optimistic, but I'm hoping that the administrators can get
things sorted out enough to re-start the flow of parts to customers
within a few weeks. That would certainly be an important step towards
achieving their stated objective of rescuing the company as a going
concern.
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
>Hey Jeff,
>
>I too needed the actuator. Europa gets them from
>
>Motion Systems Corp.
>600 Industrial Way West
>Eatontown, NJ 07724
>Phone 732 222-1800
>Fax 732 389-9191
>
>I ordered:
>
>Ball Drive Actuator
>P/N 85615
>4" Stroke
>15:1 Reduction
>12 VDC 7400 RPM Motor
>Support Bushing
>Cover Tube
>Rod End TM-4
>Type "C" Gearbox Housing
>1/4" dia. 90 std
>$225
>
>Then you will probably have to get some "U" channel to make a mounting
>bracket.
>
>
>Mike Duane A207
>Redding, California
>XS Conventional Gear
>Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
>that.
>
>
>
Thanks for the info, Mike. This might advance the build, a bit... :)
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http://www.n55xs.com
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| Subject: | Re: Doors and painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Fred Fillinger wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
>
>
>>...
>>use pick tape [ electrical insulation tape] NOT PAPER MASKING TAPE.
>>Leave the glazing covered until after painting.
>>Cheers,
>>Nev.
>>
>>
>
>Agree that common masking is completely inappropriate for paint lines.
>Preferable to electrical tape I think is a 3M product sold by auto
>body supply stores -- a plastic "fine line" tape in many widths down
>to 1/8" in. Is what pros use for fancy trim striping.
>
>However, there is an excellent masking tape dubbed Easy Mask
>"KleenEdge" -- no space for googling purposes -- and outstanding for
>even household uses. It doesn't dry out quickly sitting on the shelf
>after opening the package, and it removes easy even after months.
>It's actually adequate enough for doing the paint lines, but in the
>U.S. I've seen it only at WalMart.
>
>Reg,
>Fred F.
>
>
>
>
We used the fine line tape, when painting the stabilators. Works like a
charm...
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Hear hear.
Fully documented feedback needed, before you forget the details.
Duncan McF.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Lightning Strike
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
>
> Paul,
>
> Many thanks for giving details of your lightning strike incident. It
> appears that the ground for your wing tip lights may have acted as a
> diverter to prevent the lightning current passing through the controls and
> ruining the entire day.
>
> I see from the Europa Club membership list that you are running a Rotax
914.
> When you say that things went pretty quiet because the main contactor
> dropped off line, did this include the engine stopping because neither
> electric fuel pump received any power, or did one fuel pump continue to
work
> with a supply direct from the alternator? Your wiring of an E-buss
> (endurance/essential) circuit was presumably the only way to restore power
> to what was left of your electronics once the main contactor had been
> knocked out.
>
> Once you have completed your investigation, apart from posting any further
> details on this forum, it would be useful to publish the complete story in
> the Europa Flyer, preferably with pictures. I am sure the new Editor,
Peter
> Grant, would appreciate your input to editor@europaclub.org.uk.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mike
> Mike Gregory, Europa Club Safety Officer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Lightnoing Strike
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I departed yesterday from KUES up to Canada. About 90 minutes into the
trip
> I took a lightning hit. The weather was forecasted VFR clear, however
about
> 70 minutes into the trip I began to suspect all was "not as advertised".
I
> noticed a cloud about 15 miles of my port side this looked ominous so I
> diverted away from it. I was about to call flight service when suddenly I
> saw a bright flash on the tip of my starboard wind. The starboard side
was
> clear weather so I may have been struck from the port side, but it was
hard
> to tell. The main contactor dropped off line so things went pretty quite
> until I kicked in the "E Buss" circuit.
>
> Damage is as follows. The paint is blistered on the starboard wing tip
and
> the port side is only blackened. Internal inspection reveals no sign of
> burning. The wind tip lights are destroyed with some of the screws
melted.
> My Narco 122 VOR/LOC/GS is destroyed, my Navaids the electronic fuel
gauge,
> the main battery contactor and the manifold pressure sensing input to the
> EIS engine monitor. The Apollo GX 60 GPS/NAV/Com and transponder
survived.
>
> There appears to by no structural damage to the aircraft or welding of the
> control elements. I will know more over the next few days. It appeared
> that the lighting entered a wing tip, traveled along the common ground
> between the LED wing tip lights and exited the other wing tip.
>
> Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Lightning and all........ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Paul et al,
Sorry to hear of the interuption of your great trip.........
Lightning has its bad points and thought i might draw attention to the
accident report of a glider struck (well outside a Cb) in southern England.
A good base rule is 20-25 miles outside a Cb below the freezing
level, and 15-20 miles above that line. Many strikes occur in clear air when
conditions are ripe, and it's our job to figure out what 'ripe' is.
The Schleicher soarplane in question is built very much like the
Europa and the construction topic is pertinent.
Please see,
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_avsafety/documents/page/dft_avsafety_500699.hcsp
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 S E.G.T's |
2.3 GAPPY_SUBJECT Subject: contains G-a-p-p-y-T-e-x-t
--> Europa-List message posted by: "philip george" <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com>
What sort of e.g.t. values are normal in the cruise at 4800-5000 rpm and
what sort of variation in values are normal between front and rear cylinders
as shown on a flydat. What sort of difference is (normal) using std wide
blade warpdrive set at 19degrees
Philip George (G-EORJ)
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-04 10:05 -0500 Dean Wiegand wrote:
>Does anyone have a complete firewall back inventory list? I am looking for
>something with all the kit parts kits on one list , hopefully in MS Excel
Dean - sure, you do! It's on the CD-ROM I sent to you in your
new-member pack on 30th April 2004. Look in the folder called
"part-page xref" and open the file "parts.xls". The info is also
included as dBase files (.dbf) and (of course) several linked
FileMaker files (.fp5)
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Tailkit dilemma |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-04 17:05 +0100 Europa wrote:
>I'm left with a mostly
>completed tailkit and no currrent prospect of getting the wings and
>fusilage (or my gbp1500 deposit for that matter)
Andy - don't be too hasty. The people who made those parts are still
in business, and some of them may even have inventory they'd like to
exchange for cash.
>I wonder if there is any
>way to cut my losses
If you really really can't wait to get rid of it, I know there's at
least one builder on the other side of the Alantic waiting for a
fast-build tail kit - maybe you & he should get together!
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi All,
Before anyone gets too carried away re future supply of parts, can I let it
be known there are at least three seperate parties actively in talks with the
reciever, all with the intention of keeping Europa alive.
If anyone out there jumps the gun, it could screw up the whole thing, [ and I
expect that the individual responsable, may not be ''flavour of the month''
with the new owner either ?]
Also, on a different tack, I am still takeing Tech' Questions on my old shop
phone number , until BT turn it off ! [ no charge on incoming calls ?] so
feel free to ring if you are really stuck.
I feel I owe it to you guys [ and gals] out there.The line has a divert on
it, so excuse any unusual background noises [ it will be the beach next week,
model planes the next !]...my email is better for me, I can choose my time to
answer.
Get busy finnishing where you can, give everyone a couple of weeks breathing
space.... companies producing aeroplanes far, far worse than the Europa have
bounced back ?
Cheers,
Nev.
P.S. Neil France wins my vote so far for the best caption ! I have another
one myself, but I fear there would be too many ***** ******* ***** words in it
?
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| Subject: | RE: Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Jos,
You're better off without the sticky-stuff dispenser. The latter ones from
Rook/Michael Engineering are utter junk. After two whole units and three
sets of pump modules I gave up and asked for my money back. It still cost me
about 20 hours and a load of resin and hardener.
On the other hand, if you can get a decent second-hand one from the days
when Rook turned out good product, you're a lucky man!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josok
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Administrator's questionnaire
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Yes, Finland!
Letter arrived today, the 4th of Aug. 2004. Not that i have much
outstanding. Did not get the sticky stuff dispenser that i paid for, but got
some hingewire and the stall warner mod delivered. Have to wade through the
bills to get the amounts.
----------------
Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Paul,
So glad you're OK! The plane bits can be fixed.
Let me know if you need some replacement wing-tip lenses - I can let you
have mine in a hurry as I won't be fitting for a little while now.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Lightnoing Strike
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I departed yesterday from KUES up to Canada. About 90 minutes into the trip
I took a lightning hit. The weather was forecasted VFR clear, however about
70 minutes into the trip I began to suspect all was "not as advertised". I
noticed a cloud about 15 miles of my port side this looked ominous so I
diverted away from it. I was about to call flight service when suddenly I
saw a bright flash on the tip of my starboard wind. The starboard side was
clear weather so I may have been struck from the port side, but it was hard
to tell. The main contactor dropped off line so things went pretty quite
until I kicked in the "E Buss" circuit.
Damage is as follows. The paint is blistered on the starboard wing tip and
the port side is only blackened. Internal inspection reveals no sign of
burning. The wind tip lights are destroyed with some of the screws melted.
My Narco 122 VOR/LOC/GS is destroyed, my Navaids the electronic fuel gauge,
the main battery contactor and the manifold pressure sensing input to the
EIS engine monitor. The Apollo GX 60 GPS/NAV/Com and transponder survived.
There appears to by no structural damage to the aircraft or welding of the
control elements. I will know more over the next few days. It appeared
that the lighting entered a wing tip, traveled along the common ground
between the LED wing tip lights and exited the other wing tip.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Sorry, but IMHO neither of those young ladies were sufficiently well endowed
to get Neville's interest :-) He is a keen customer of Hooters...
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of User
Subject: Europa-List: Europa list a bit of light relief
--> Europa-List message posted by: "User" <nfrance@avnet.co.uk>
My entry for the caption competition,
Keith is saying ; '' OK Ray, I'll keep Neville distracted with these two
whilst you go and use his computer,....and don't forget to put me a good
word in as well as yourself.......''
Neil
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi Neville,
You wrote:
> Also, on a different tack, I am still takeing Tech' Questions on my old shop
> phone number , until BT turn it off ! [ no charge on incoming calls ?] so
> feel free to ring if you are really stuck.
> I feel I owe it to you guys [ and gals] out there.
You are indeed a prince!..thank you very much
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Philip,
I am seeing 1450 on my 914 rear EHT's. I can't recall the front ones but
they are cooler and I was told by the Rotax agent that this is normal.
Mine is using too much fuel and I suspect that it is running a bit rich. I'd
be interested in hearing what other 914 people are seeing for EHT's.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
At 4930rpm, 912S, wide chord Warp Drive set at 19 degrees I have recorded
EGTs of 1300 and 1275 degF on the front cylinders and 1190 and 1250 on the
rear.
At other power settings the rear cylinders run a lot cooler than the front
and there is often an imbalance left to right on the rear. The front
cylinders are far better behaved.
I haven't tried swapping probes around to see if the imbalance is down to
instrument error, but doubt that it is. Rather, appalling inlet manifold
design allied to the shared cylinders not operating 360 degrees apart is
likely to blame.
The old 1200 Honda Goldwing (which is probably where many of the parameters
on the Rotax were copied from) has one carb. per cylinder; one way of
avoiding the problem.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "philip george" <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "philip george"
<philipgeorge347@hotmail.com>
>
> What sort of e.g.t. values are normal in the cruise at 4800-5000 rpm and
> what sort of variation in values are normal between front and rear
cylinders
> as shown on a flydat. What sort of difference is (normal) using std wide
> blade warpdrive set at 19degrees
> Philip George (G-EORJ)
>
> http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Administrator's questionnaire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Jos,
>
> You're better off without the sticky-stuff dispenser. The latter ones from
> Rook/Michael Engineering are utter junk. After two whole units and three
> sets of pump modules I gave up and asked for my money back. It still cost me
> about 20 hours and a load of resin and hardener.
>
> On the other hand, if you can get a decent second-hand one from the days
> when Rook turned out good product, you're a lucky man!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
Two more cents worth: I've also had bad experience with a Michael
Engineering pump.
I've found the balance shown in the Manual to be quite satisfactory, the
original sketch of which was done by Rutan many years ago.
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Removing Paint from Engine Mount????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am looking for advice on the removal of the white paint from the engine
mount. The one that I have is second hand, and a portion of it needs
welding attention. So, the question is "is sand blasting acceptable, or in
fact the best treatment, or is there a type of acid bath that will remove
the paint without hurting the metal" ???
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Paul McAllister wrote:
> My Narco 122 VOR/LOC/GS is destroyed...The Apollo GX 60 GPS/NAV/Com
> and transponder survived.
Paul --
You didn't say whether any physical damage to the [$$$] NAV-122. If
not, it could be only a cheapie 40868 MOSFET transistor never knew
what hit it, and even the varicap tuning diodes felt only a pinch in
the butt. This is because a likely electroastatic-only event also at
the antennas should not affect a transponder, UPS/Apollo may know more
than Narco/King in this regard - these latter big brands typically
have no such protection, but the surge on the ground line could have
killed all 3 boxes if the internal power supplies were excessively
assaulted.
Narco gets $100/hour to fix, and they charge $35 for 10-cent
components. $X for just looksee. Contact me off-list if you'd like
to send it to me for "triage" at least, if not simple repair. I don't
have a service manual for it, but Narco uses a common circuit design
approach dating back to 1970, but the manual is only about $50 only if
needed. Yes, I have VOR, marker, and RF signal generators, and a
200-MHz Tektronics scope for such mundane duties and years of Narco
fixing exp.
Sounds like you had your lifetime "once" already, so from here on just
watch out for safes falling from tall buildings!
Do not archive
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractors Lists |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Nev,
Thank you very much for your update on the status of EMIL and the
reorganization. I can guarantee that I with this knowledge I will
cease any further attempts to contact subcontractors for Europa. It's
too bad that the other folks responsible for this can't bring this
information forward to all of us who are sitting here on partially
completed kits wondering if we'll be able to find the necessary bits to
complete them.
I appreciate your offer of continued assistance while these things sort
themselves out. You technical help has been invaluable.
Enjoy your free time as I would imagine that free time will become
harder to come by when this settles.
I think all of us out here would agree that the Europa is much to fine
an aircraft to be dumped on the rubbish heap of bad management.
Give my best regard to all the good folks at Europa.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
- 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Retail source for KILOVAC CAP200 low holdin |
batterycontactor
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Paul;
Forget about buying lottery tickets;
You've used up about two years of good luck, no way are you going to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim Brown
Paul McAllister wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I installed one of these in my Europa and I can't remember where I purchased
it from. Its made by Tyco. I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me the retail
source for them. The original one got sent to the "contactor heaven in the sky"
by a visit from the lighting demon.
>
> Off to buy some lottery tickets......
>
> Paul
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightnoing Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Paul
I believe you were very lucky that there was not water in your wings. The
glider accident they talk about exploded, I think because water was suddenly
converted to steam pressure which blew off the wing skins.
Every one waiting breathlessly for the report
do not archive
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz setting up flap operation
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Lightnoing Strike
snipped
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| Subject: | Lightning Strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Fred WHAT A GUY!!! How generous you are with your experience and
knowledge! I will contact you before my next lightning strike to ask
advice..
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Fillinger
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lightning Strike
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Paul McAllister wrote:
> My Narco 122 VOR/LOC/GS is destroyed...The Apollo GX 60 GPS/NAV/Com
> and transponder survived.
Paul --
You didn't say whether any physical damage to the [$$$] NAV-122. If
not, it could be only a cheapie 40868 MOSFET transistor never knew
what hit it, and even the varicap tuning diodes felt only a pinch in
the butt. This is because a likely electroastatic-only event also at
the antennas should not affect a transponder, UPS/Apollo may know more
than Narco/King in this regard - these latter big brands typically
have no such protection, but the surge on the ground line could have
killed all 3 boxes if the internal power supplies were excessively
assaulted.
Narco gets $100/hour to fix, and they charge $35 for 10-cent
components. $X for just looksee. Contact me off-list if you'd like
to send it to me for "triage" at least, if not simple repair. I don't
have a service manual for it, but Narco uses a common circuit design
approach dating back to 1970, but the manual is only about $50 only if
needed. Yes, I have VOR, marker, and RF signal generators, and a
200-MHz Tektronics scope for such mundane duties and years of Narco
fixing exp.
Sounds like you had your lifetime "once" already, so from here on just
watch out for safes falling from tall buildings!
Do not archive
Reg,
Fred F.
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Doors and painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Thanks Bob,Tony and Fred for advice on what to use for masking on plexi.
I'll go see if I can get the masking tape off and go with "fine line" or
electrical tape.
craig ellison
A205
everything primed and ready for paint. have the engine(914) but none of the
FWF bits to attach it to the fuselage!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors and painting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Fred Fillinger wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> >
> >
> >
> >>...
> >>use pick tape [ electrical insulation tape] NOT PAPER MASKING TAPE.
> >>Leave the glazing covered until after painting.
> >>Cheers,
> >>Nev.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Agree that common masking is completely inappropriate for paint lines.
> >Preferable to electrical tape I think is a 3M product sold by auto
> >body supply stores -- a plastic "fine line" tape in many widths down
> >to 1/8" in. Is what pros use for fancy trim striping.
> >
> >However, there is an excellent masking tape dubbed Easy Mask
> >"KleenEdge" -- no space for googling purposes -- and outstanding for
> >even household uses. It doesn't dry out quickly sitting on the shelf
> >after opening the package, and it removes easy even after months.
> >It's actually adequate enough for doing the paint lines, but in the
> >U.S. I've seen it only at WalMart.
> >
> >Reg,
> >Fred F.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> We used the fine line tape, when painting the stabilators. Works like a
> charm...
>
> do not archive
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
>
>
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| Subject: | glider wing C-spar |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve" <flyer208@charter.net>
I would like to confirm a build detail before I close up the SB glider
wing.
The manual makes no mention of bid reinforcement between the C-spar and
the 3/4
panel wing skin - only an Araldite bond. Is this correct?
Steve L.
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| Subject: | Re: glider wing C-spar |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Steve,That is correct, no tapes between C spar and outer skin. The load is
much less out there. Cheers, Nev.
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