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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Cargas availability in Europe (Runnymede73@aol.com)
2. 12:18 AM - Re: Subject: Re: A bit of light relief (Kingsley Hurst)
3. 01:19 AM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. (Alan Burrows)
5. 07:18 AM - Re: EGT temp difference unknown, but 30C CHT difference is normal (William Mills)
6. 08:33 AM - Re: Removing Paint from Engine Mount????? (Mike Baker)
7. 01:17 PM - Re: Re:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August (Duncan McFadyean)
8. 01:29 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (Duncan McFadyean)
9. 01:44 PM - Re: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's (Duncan McFadyean)
10. 01:47 PM - Re: Max CHT Temp is 240F not 240C (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
11. 01:52 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (Gerry Holland)
12. 02:00 PM - Re: Removing Paint from Engine Mount????? (SteveD)
13. 02:09 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (Duncan McFadyean)
14. 02:55 PM - Re: Removing Paint from Engine Mount????? (Robert Berube)
15. 03:07 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (Pete Lawless)
16. 03:26 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (Duncan McFadyean)
17. 03:45 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (Mike Parkin)
18. 05:01 PM - Engine failure test for glider wings (Dave Anderson)
19. 05:20 PM - Re: Engine failure test for glider wings (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
20. 06:52 PM - Do I have a Record (Vaughn Teegarden)
21. 07:31 PM - Too much quiet (rlborger)
22. 07:49 PM - Re: Subcontractor List. (JR (Bob) Gowing)
23. 09:26 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday FREE BITS! (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Cargas availability in Europe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com
Austria is blessed with Mogas on most minor airports
Some in France in Germany - but not much
Bill Dewey G-UILD and kit 458
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| Subject: | Re: A bit of light relief |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> > To put us all in a good mood again, I propose a caption competition.
"Europa in Serious Trouble - Wilson's Face Tells It All"
and yours was a beauty Richard ie "Hmmm? I wonder if I can do . . . .
. . ."
Cheers
Kingsley Hurst
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
Silly Sod !!! lol noooooooooooooo all free apart from your food and 10 landing
fee Gloucestershire airport have decided to reduce their landing fee for PFA
aircraft u must b a Scottsman with a purse lol I hear they are a bit tight
!
Duncan McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:--> Europa-List message
posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>>no charge but ...........................PFA aircraft landing fee is
10.oo<<
Please clarify. Is this ten Pounds to get in? Blimey!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> Hi All
> just to let you know ther is a fly-in at Gloucester/Staverton airport this
>
> Sunday
>
> Its being hosted at Cotswold Aero Club and Local strut of the PFA
> all welcome I think we call it people meet Pilots There is no charge but
try our raffels and
>
> PFA aircraft landing fee is 10.oo and Gloucester have now made this
charge for all PFA aircraft for the foreseable future
>
> So whats on this weekend ???? U might ask
>
> BBQ so bring some pocket money Tina's bbq chilli sauce is almot a
legend !!
>
> Police avaition have given us a chopper with the covers off
>
> RGV maintanaince have the Garmin stand including the new 296 to play
with and the new ( 96c ) well I think that is what it's called! smaller
than the new 296 [ see it here first !!!!! ]
> RGV are also giving away an electric scooter as a prize check out broken
aircraft and write down the faults
> Also try an alectric scooter !!
>
> Excutive Jets have a Citation Jet to look at and could get to see
inside. Also G-TOGO an RV that is stunning !! Well I think so
>
> WestFlight will be there a company who offer commercial training to Pilots
with some Students
>
> Ultimate High should call in with 2 extra aircraft you could try our
club raffel which will be sending somebody to have a day out with Ultimate
high for lessons in aerobatics and dog fighting !
>
> invited aircraft to look at
>
> Stearman
> Acro dyn air Bambi
> A brace of Long ez bill Allens possibly one of the best in the world !!
> Pitts Special
> Brand new robins
> Brussard Autogiro
> Police Chopper
> Excutive Jet
> Robins
> cub
> bulldog
> RV'S
> Glass Air
> + other interesting aircraft should arrive throught SUNDAY
>
> MY slightly broken Europa will hiding in the back of the hangar ! Hurry up
Nev ! I need you !!!
>
> I you want to know more or need Help speak to Tina Mathews at Cotswold
Aero Club 01242 713924
>
> Thanks 4 reading and come if u can by car or plane bike or foot
>
> Nigel Henry
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
lly
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
For anyone coming over to the I.O.M this weekend the weather on Saturday
is looking ok now so it promises to be a good event. A useful phone No.
to store away is the pilots line at Ronaldsway met office who are
extremely helpful and can usually give reliable w/x forecasts for most
parts of the UK i.e. on route weather and even the time of expected
problems, so store this one away as its not usually published 01624
821640. Hope to see you over the weekend. Cheers Alan
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| Subject: | Re: EGT temp difference unknown, but 30C CHT difference is |
normal
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Ira,
Very interesting info. Do you have any more background on the following
topics:-
> rebuild (service) carbs every 600 hr - Should any parts be replaced? The
pins on my floats seem to be wearing significantly.
> gear box should get replacement spring washers at every service, i.e., 300
> hrs - What is the reason for this? Is it anything to do with the slipper
clutch friction and consequential wear on the sprag clutch?
> Do not bother with coolant temperature measurement. Mark Beal of Skydrive
UK Rotax distributor, suggested that EGT measurement was not required on the
912s and 912Ss, because the mixture was not controllable. I also understand
that we should aim to keep the coolant temp at about 90*C and the oil temp
at about 95* - 100*C, in the cruise.
Many thanks,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Europa-List: EGT temp difference unknown, but 30C CHT difference is
normal
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Disclaimer - Not PFA or Europa Club Directorate Approved Knowledge
>
> UK Builders Please Avert eyes
>
> From Eric Tucker (Chief Technical Officer, Kodiak, Rotax's only Western
> Hemisphere Importer)and Phil Lockwood (CEO Lockwood Aviation, Rotax
> Approved Engine Repair Station)
> During Rotax Maintenence Seminar, Airventure 2004
> (NB there were at least 6 Europa Owners at forum out of about 70 people in
> tent)
>
> 30 degree C CHT difference is normal -> Use only the rear CHT (hottest)
> for decision making.
> CHT > 240F will soften head castings despite manual
> EGT in cruise should be 1350-1450 for 912s
> Do not bother with coolant temperature measurement
> Do not use Castrol GPS oil
> Pensoil MC oil is fine despite not being listed as semisynthetic
> Honda mc semisynthetic oil is also just fine but will never appear in
> approved list
> TCP additive is fine for engine when using leaded av gas, but it may react
> with
> plastics in tank or tubing to engine
> set Idle rpm to 1400-1800, not lower despite manual
> Synch carbs every 100 hrs
> rebuild (service) carbs every 600 hr
> always start engine at idle to allow function of enrichening circuit
> do not bend carb idle stops, make sure quadrant stops protect card stops
> at idle position
> otherwise idle will get desynchronized
> never, ever turn engine backwards!!!!! oil pump runs backward and will
> embolise air into engine
> this is very bad despite advise on web to do so!!!
> gear box should get replacement spring washers at every service, i.e., 300
> hrs
> when replacing oil filter, rotate to touch gasket, then no more than
> 3/4ths turn
>
>
> Ira N224XS
>
>
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| Subject: | Removing Paint from Engine Mount????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
Powder coat is very abrasion resistant. I think you
will get very tired trying to skuff it off. MEK will
take it off. Try MEK first. ACE Hardware has it. Wear
gloves, bad stuff. evaporates immediately, thats why
it was used as a cleaner before paint and sealer. So
use in a well ventalated area.
--- Rob Housman <RobH@hyperion-ef.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
> <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> Oops, that should have read "powder coating" not
> "power coating."
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Alexander
> Kaarsberg
> To: Europa-list
> Subject: Europa-List: Removing Paint from Engine
> Mount?????
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander
> Kaarsberg"
> <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
> Tony
> Bead blasting is OK it makes the part stronger if
> done carefully, (by
> compression the surface and stretching the inside,
> oversimplification! )
> Grit blasting is dubious.
> Graham
>
>
> -- beadblasting and flappeening are techniques
> employed when surface
> hardening is desired, it is a gentle way of
> coldworking a metal
> surface- but while it hardens the surface, it would
> also become more
> brittle.
> Whether an engine mount would benefit from that or
> not would be
> interesting to learn from our resident and always
> helpful
> metallurgist, the good Mr. Housman?
>
> Alex #529
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I've scratched going.
The Met Office seem to have gone on holiday and left the receptionist to do
the forecasting. The F215 is completely devoid of the front that the general
synoptic shows.
The remnants of hurricane Andrew (currently in the Atlantic) seem to be
causing some puzzlement, if not rather severe weather from late Saturday
(see USAF interpretation) onwards.
Have a nice time and send some photos!
Rgds.,
Duncan
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Duncan and Others planning to visit IOM,
> Bryan Allsop and I have looked at the weather and it looks fine for
> Saturday, but not for Sunday. If it stays that way, we intend to fly to
> Jurby for just Saturday. We plan to arrive before 1100 hrs (1115 latest
> accepted) local and return home after the air-show has finished. Why not
> join us? If you do, don't forget to do the Special Branch form ASAP.
> We could also go to Gloucester on Sunday if you wish.
> Best wishes,
> William
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > The Wx forecast is looking too poor to venture out this w'end!
> >
> > Duncan Mcf.
> >
> > do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: RE:I.O.M. Festival of Aviation &th & 8th August
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
> > <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone still need accommodation or transport this weekend? I have
> > > details available if you need them. Also I will have my car around for
> > > anyone needing a ride.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> Silly Sod !!! lol noooooooooooooo all free apart from your food and 10
landing fee Gloucestershire airport have decided to reduce their landing
fee for PFA aircraft u must b a Scottsman with a purse lol I hear they
are a bit tight !
>
> Duncan McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:--> Europa-List
message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>
> >>no charge but ...........................PFA aircraft landing fee is
> 10.oo<<
>
> Please clarify. Is this ten Pounds to get in? Blimey!
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Subject: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by:
> >
> > Hi All
> > just to let you know ther is a fly-in at Gloucester/Staverton airport
this
> >
> > Sunday
> >
> > Its being hosted at Cotswold Aero Club and Local strut of the PFA
> > all welcome I think we call it people meet Pilots There is no charge but
> try our raffels and
> >
> > PFA aircraft landing fee is 10.oo and Gloucester have now made this
> charge for all PFA aircraft for the foreseable future
> >
> > So whats on this weekend ???? U might ask
> >
> > BBQ so bring some pocket money Tina's bbq chilli sauce is almot a
> legend !!
> >
> > Police avaition have given us a chopper with the covers off
> >
> > RGV maintanaince have the Garmin stand including the new 296 to play
> with and the new ( 96c ) well I think that is what it's called! smaller
> than the new 296 [ see it here first !!!!! ]
> > RGV are also giving away an electric scooter as a prize check out broken
> aircraft and write down the faults
> > Also try an alectric scooter !!
> >
> > Excutive Jets have a Citation Jet to look at and could get to see
> inside. Also G-TOGO an RV that is stunning !! Well I think so
> >
> > WestFlight will be there a company who offer commercial training to
Pilots
> with some Students
> >
> > Ultimate High should call in with 2 extra aircraft you could try our
> club raffel which will be sending somebody to have a day out with Ultimate
> high for lessons in aerobatics and dog fighting !
> >
> > invited aircraft to look at
> >
> > Stearman
> > Acro dyn air Bambi
> > A brace of Long ez bill Allens possibly one of the best in the world !!
> > Pitts Special
> > Brand new robins
> > Brussard Autogiro
> > Police Chopper
> > Excutive Jet
> > Robins
> > cub
> > bulldog
> > RV'S
> > Glass Air
> > + other interesting aircraft should arrive throught SUNDAY
> >
> > MY slightly broken Europa will hiding in the back of the hangar ! Hurry
up
> Nev ! I need you !!!
> >
> > I you want to know more or need Help speak to Tina Mathews at Cotswold
> Aero Club 01242 713924
> >
> > Thanks 4 reading and come if u can by car or plane bike or foot
> >
> > Nigel Henry
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
> lly
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Oh no! I feel another Jeremy Davey modification coming on!!
Actually, the best way to get additional power from the electronically
controlled fuel injection on the BMW R1100 is to .....................fit
carburettors!
But that's probably because the original system is optimised for road use
and low emissions, which is the main benefit and reason for widespread use
in cars.
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> I remain amazed that no-one has yet come up with an add-on for the Rotax
> that replaces the carburettors and magnetos with multipoint electronic
> injection and electronic ignition. The benefits would seem obvious: better
> economy, more power, longer TBO, better starting, etc.
>
> The more I think about it, the more I think the Europa community is big
> enough to drive such an exercise. Anyone else interested?
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
> Singleton
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 04/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >At other power settings the rear cylinders run a lot cooler than the
front
> >and there is often an imbalance left to right on the rear. The front
> >cylinders are far better behaved.
> >
> >I haven't tried swapping probes around to see if the imbalance is down to
> >instrument error, but doubt that it is. Rather, appalling inlet manifold
> >design allied to the shared cylinders not operating 360 degrees apart is
> >likely to blame.
>
> I found exactly the same with the 912 and came to the same conclusion.
Time
> Rotax gave us fuel injection.
> I believe Ellison did a throttle body installation for the 912. I had good
> experience with one on a Lycosaurus but haven't heard about any Rotax
> installations
> Graham
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Max CHT Temp is 240F not 240C |
08/06/2004 04:47:36 PM,
Serialize complete at 08/06/2004 04:47:36 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings,
Look at Rotax Operators Manual page 10.1
There it says max CHT is 300F, max oil temp is 285F
At Oshkosh, two actual Rotax experts say Do Not Exceed 240F
because to do so will over time remove the heat treatment of the
casting which may then warp, etc.
At some point in operation the oil temp should exceed 220F to boil off
any water condensate from the products of combustion or elsewhere.
Interesting factoid <<do not attempt this at home>> Rotax 9 series will
run without coolant or oil for
perhaps 30 min to get you home, at which point you can thank it for giving
its life to save yours!
As for Carbs, Phil did mention some parts requiring examination but not
necessarily replacement, same for the gearbox
Ira Rampil N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> Duncan McF
I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee and
everything else costs too.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | RE: Removing Paint from Engine Mount????? |
2.6 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
0.5 REMOVE_PAGE URI: URL of page called "remove"
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
I have never tried this stuff but it should do the trick.
http://www.eastwood.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=750&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=remove+powder+coat
I've powder coated some of the parts on the plane and form what little I've done
I know the job on the engine mounts isn't all that good. In some spots where
the coating has chipped of you can see the metal was not prepped. The coating
went on right on surface dirt and corrosion. Surface prep is job one with powder
coating.
Steved.
If that long URL got chopped up in the email. The posting on the Europa Forum has
a much shorter one.
----------------
Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
Some concession!
Duncan Mcf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > Duncan McF
>
> I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee and
> everything else costs too.
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Removing Paint from Engine Mount????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
We have had to remove powder coating at various times and heavy duty paint
remover takes it off easily.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Baker
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Removing Paint from Engine Mount?????
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
Powder coat is very abrasion resistant. I think you
will get very tired trying to skuff it off. MEK will
take it off. Try MEK first. ACE Hardware has it. Wear
gloves, bad stuff. evaporates immediately, thats why
it was used as a cleaner before paint and sealer. So
use in a well ventalated area.
--- Rob Housman <RobH@hyperion-ef.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
> <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> Oops, that should have read "powder coating" not
> "power coating."
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Alexander
> Kaarsberg
> To: Europa-list
> Subject: Europa-List: Removing Paint from Engine
> Mount?????
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander
> Kaarsberg"
> <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
> Tony
> Bead blasting is OK it makes the part stronger if
> done carefully, (by
> compression the surface and stretching the inside,
> oversimplification! )
> Grit blasting is dubious.
> Graham
>
>
> -- beadblasting and flappeening are techniques
> employed when surface
> hardening is desired, it is a gentle way of
> coldworking a metal
> surface- but while it hardens the surface, it would
> also become more
> brittle.
> Whether an engine mount would benefit from that or
> not would be
> interesting to learn from our resident and always
> helpful
> metallurgist, the good Mr. Housman?
>
> Alex #529
>
>
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| Subject: | Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Duncan
For an airfield with 3 hard runways, radar, ATIS, approach, tower and
all the services 10 is good value! You obviously have not been to the
likes of Goodwood recently at 14.50 for air-ground and some grass.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
--> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
Some concession!
Duncan Mcf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
> --> <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > Duncan McF
>
> I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee
> and everything else costs too.
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Goodwood charge L5 for strut fly-ins!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Duncan
>
> For an airfield with 3 hard runways, radar, ATIS, approach, tower and
> all the services 10 is good value! You obviously have not been to the
> likes of Goodwood recently at 14.50 for air-ground and some grass.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
> Some concession!
>
> Duncan Mcf
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
> > --> <gnholland@onetel.com>
> >
> > > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > > Duncan McF
> >
> > I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee
> > and everything else costs too.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Pete,
That may be true if it were a normal day and not a fly-in. I still think
10.00 is a lot to pay to use 300m of anyones' concrete with our light
weight speed machine.
It's really the law of diminishing returns. Charge more, less people go,
charge even more, even less people go ........
Why is it that in many places overseas there are minimal landing charges,
particularly in the USA and Canada - but in rip-off Britain, at least a pint
of blood is the starting minimum charge.
Its a bit like the PFA Rally. Lets make the entrance fee so high that Joe
Public just will not pay it, the pitch rental so high that manufacturers etc
will not pay it. Result a financial loss and, rumour has it, no Rally next
year.
Has the PFA finally lost the plot!!!!
regards,
Mike (G-JULZ)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Duncan
>
> For an airfield with 3 hard runways, radar, ATIS, approach, tower and
> all the services 10 is good value! You obviously have not been to the
> likes of Goodwood recently at 14.50 for air-ground and some grass.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
> Some concession!
>
> Duncan Mcf
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
> > --> <gnholland@onetel.com>
> >
> > > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > > Duncan McF
> >
> > I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee
> > and everything else costs too.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Engine failure test for glider wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Well, it has happened. The airplane has itself demonstrated its capability for
safety by having an engine failure - a slow motion failure. I was climbing out
on the usual profile that provides an easy glide back to the departure airport,
when I heard a sound change. It was enough to look over at the manifold pressure
gauge to see 30 inches, when it is normally 36 inches in the cruise climb.
I throttled back and then increased power to confirm the 30 inches was not
a hallucination. I checked the fuel flow to see if there might be some sort of
fuel leak - a hazardous condition to be sure. The fuel flow was normal, so I
throttled back to idle and returned to the airport. I considered shutting down
and feathering, but it was running OK at idle, so I didn't. The airplane arrived
over the field at 3500 agl. A circle followed with full speed brakes, with
a high downwind leg. On downwind, the engine started to vibrate in a quite pronounced
manner, so with the field made, I shut it down , leaving it to windmill.
The vibration stopped as soon as I turned off the ignition, throttle at idle.
The airplane lands the same way regardless of the power - engine at idle or shut
down. The landing was normal and I just took the high speed exit, coasting to
a stop. By that time, the airport people were out there with their trucks and
flashing lights (un-invited). A brief look over the airplane showed nothing
obvious and a peek in the engine cowl showed nothing obvious either. I tried to
restart, but it would not start so it was towed to the hangar (by my Dad, who
had just arrived in his airplane).
The problem turned out to be a very simple one - yet a show stopper. The engine
has two carburetors which are held to the intake manifold via rubber flanges.
It is really quite a Mickey mouse design that I will be doing something about
in the future - a back-up to keep this from resulting in a non running - or rough
running engine. The rubber flange on the left side of the engine cracked
and split 180 degrees, causing the carburetor to separate enough from the intake
to let in enough air to essentially kill the two cylinders on the port side
of the engine. The fix would take about 10 minutes, if I had the $75 part that
has already been ordered. The glider wings paid off making this thing a very
easy and almost relaxing event. The only hiccup was a Cessna taking the runway
when I was abeam the numbers on downwind announcing what was going on. Some
people's kids???
To quote Forrest Gump "That's all I have to say about that!"
Dave
A227
mini U2
215 hours TT
I'll probably attach the picture of the flange to the Mini U2 web site.....
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| Subject: | Re: Engine failure test for glider wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Congratulations on the observation and smooth troubleshooting of what could
have been a real bad problem.
As for the Cessna....it simply justifies my mounting a .30 cal machine gun
under the nose!
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Do I have a Record |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
Thanks Ian. I should have replied sooner. I did send my info to the administrator.
I'm pretty put of on doing a Europa at this time as I've wasted most of the
summer anticipating the arrival of my kit and hearing seveal reasons why it
wasn't shipped. If someone buys out the company and it gets going again, I may
reconsider. I live in Virginia,USA and have seen some for sale, but I had wanted
to build my own. Stupid, isn't it!...Vaughn
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Dave,
Very interesting report on your engine problem. I saw your pic on your
web site. Something to keep an eye on.
You are encouraging the eventual acquisition of a set of those long
wings. Assuming that a New Eruopa rises from the ashes of the old.
Keep us posted.
Good flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set. Working in
- 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27 Setting Wings, 29 Main Gear,
30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Subcontractor List. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
And so say all of us!
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Subcontractor List.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
>
> Considering Neville is now an ex employee of EMIL I think his offer to
continue
> to give us all the benefit of his knowledge and experience is to be
applauded.
> Some of us may have lost money through the fall of the company but Neville
> and Andy have been made redundant and still make it their business to
provide
> a support service unpaid. Obviously this cannot go on indefinitely and I
> hope that anyone taking over the company realises that they represent the
> technical brains of the operation and include them in their future plans.
> Their attitude and integrity in these difficult times is to be admired and
> it is no wonder that they were both made honourary members of the Europa
> Club at the AGM.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: NevEyre@aol.com
> >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:49:12 EDT
> >Subject: Europa-List: Subcontractor List.
> >To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
> >
> >Hi All,
> >Before anyone gets too carried away re future supply of parts, can I let
> >it
> >be known there are at least three seperate parties actively in talks with
> >the
> >reciever, all with the intention of keeping Europa alive.
> >If anyone out there jumps the gun, it could screw up the whole thing, [
> and
> >I
> >expect that the individual responsable, may not be ''flavour of the
month''
> >
> >with the new owner either ?]
> >Also, on a different tack, I am still takeing Tech' Questions on my old
> shop
> >
> >phone number , until BT turn it off ! [ no charge on incoming calls ?]
> >so
> >feel free to ring if you are really stuck.
> >I feel I owe it to you guys [ and gals] out there.The line has a divert
> on
> >
> >it, so excuse any unusual background noises [ it will be the beach next
> week,
> >
> >model planes the next !]...my email is better for me, I can choose my
time
> >to
> >answer.
> >Get busy finnishing where you can, give everyone a couple of weeks
breathing
> >
> >space.... companies producing aeroplanes far, far worse than the Europa
> have
> >
> >bounced back ?
> >Cheers,
> >Nev.
> >P.S. Neil France wins my vote so far for the best caption ! I have
another
> >
> >one myself, but I fear there would be too many ***** ******* ***** words
> >in it
> >?
> >
> >
>
>
> Get Tiscali Broadband From 15:99
> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday FREE BITS! |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
Well I did go and speak to the Airport [the lovely Lesley] to see if it could be
made a free landing charge for the day! But as always it's Y should we !!!
Cotswold Aero Club is one of the oldest flying clubs in the country
the local PFA strut is 100+ strong
This year we decided to see if we could add a bit more to it than just a sausage
in a bun ! Yes you have to pay for food if u want it, and drinks.
I hear the chef does a megga burger and as always salads puddings and nice bits
to eat [We do it ! Not some over priced outside caterers]
RGV are giving away an electric scooter ! all u have to do is find the faults
on an aircraft between 10 and 15 faults the winners go into a hat and
somebody gets a scooter [FREE |!!!!!!! ] about 90.00 worth
You can try an electric scooters FREE !!!!!!!!
Play with a Garmin 430 for FREE
Play with a Garmin 296 for FREE
If you wish to drive to Staverton you can enter and chat for FREE!!!!!
Parking your car FREE
If you bring small Children they get a baloon FREE !
Look at planes FREE
Chat to other pilots FREE
Stay all day FREE
NO CHARGE its FREE
BUT if u want to land your plane its a 10 note sorry
Nigel Henry
Mike Parkin <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin"
Pete,
That may be true if it were a normal day and not a fly-in. I still think
10.00 is a lot to pay to use 300m of anyones' concrete with our light
weight speed machine.
It's really the law of diminishing returns. Charge more, less people go,
charge even more, even less people go ........
Why is it that in many places overseas there are minimal landing charges,
particularly in the USA and Canada - but in rip-off Britain, at least a pint
of blood is the starting minimum charge.
Its a bit like the PFA Rally. Lets make the entrance fee so high that Joe
Public just will not pay it, the pitch rental so high that manufacturers etc
will not pay it. Result a financial loss and, rumour has it, no Rally next
year.
Has the PFA finally lost the plot!!!!
regards,
Mike (G-JULZ)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless"
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless"
>
> Duncan
>
> For an airfield with 3 hard runways, radar, ATIS, approach, tower and
> all the services 10 is good value! You obviously have not been to the
> likes of Goodwood recently at 14.50 for air-ground and some grass.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> -->
>
> L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
> Some concession!
>
> Duncan Mcf
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Holland"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
> > -->
> >
> > > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > > Duncan McF
> >
> > I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee
> > and everything else costs too.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
>
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