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1. 12:01 AM - Batteries (Steven Pitt)
2. 12:40 AM - Re: Batteries (Gerry Holland)
3. 01:00 AM - Re: Engine failure test for glider wings (Duncan McFadyean)
4. 01:19 AM - Re: Batteries (Simon Smith)
5. 02:25 AM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (Pete Lawless)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: Engine Failure Test and Rotax Specials (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Engine failure test for glider wings (Jeff Roberts)
8. 02:15 PM - Re: Engine failure test for glider wings (Richard Iddon)
9. 02:15 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (R.C.Harrison)
10. 02:20 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (R.C.Harrison)
11. 02:45 PM - Gap Between CP Module Tunnel & Firewall (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
12. 03:32 PM - Re: Gap Between CP Module Tunnel & Firewall (Rocketman)
13. 03:38 PM - Re: Gap Between CP Module Tunnel & Firewall (John & Amy Eckel)
14. 11:42 PM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday FREE BITS! (William Mills)
15. 11:43 PM - Re: Re: Max CHT Temp is 240F not 240C (William Mills)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
I now need to source a battery for my 912S trigear. I have a fairly full electrical
fit with radios, txpdr, GPS etc and wonder what you flyers are using.
Earlier postings are vague on the subject and the only thing that I have gleaned
is that I need 16ah minimum and RG batteries appear to have the nod.
The factory sold Red Top and Yuasu but Aircraft Spruce has not added to my knowledge
on this subject.
My battery is going into the back of the plane so weight (as ever) will be an issue.
Your thoughts and advice please.
Steve Pitt #403
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Steve
> I now need to source a battery for my 912S trigear. I have a fairly full
> electrical fit with radios, txpdr, GPS etc and wonder what you flyers are
> using.
Contact Jerry Davies at Lyndhurst Touchdown Services on:
02380 28 26 19 or 07747 690078. Leave a message if needs as he will probably
be flying.
Website: http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine near to starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit in construction.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engine failure test for glider wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>...That's all I have to say about that!"...<<
The carb rubbers aren't supposed to be prone to splitting in cases where the
Rotax airbox has been fitted. So it would be useful for you to say and us to
know whether there were other factors at play.
e.g. fuel type, starting problems (i.e. severe vibration at sometime during
the running cycle), over-tightened carb. clips on the rubber, pre-stressing
of the rubber due to the way the airbox had been tightened down, long
flights at 17,000' (!) ETC.
Otherwise, I guess "...you never know what you're going to get.....", to
also quote FG.
Duncan mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Engine failure test for glider wings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> Well, it has happened. The airplane has itself demonstrated its capability
for safety by having an engine failure - a slow motion failure. I was
climbing out on the usual profile that provides an easy glide back to the
departure airport, when I heard a sound change. It was enough to look over
at the manifold pressure gauge to see 30 inches, when it is normally 36
inches in the cruise climb. I throttled back and then increased power to
confirm the 30 inches was not a hallucination. I checked the fuel flow to
see if there might be some sort of fuel leak - a hazardous condition to be
sure. The fuel flow was normal, so I throttled back to idle and returned to
the airport. I considered shutting down and feathering, but it was running
OK at idle, so I didn't. The airplane arrived over the field at 3500 agl. A
circle followed with full speed brakes, with a high downwind leg. On
downwind, the engine started to vibrate in a quite pronounced manner, so
with the field made, I shut it !
> down , leaving it to windmill. The vibration stopped as soon as I turned
off the ignition, throttle at idle.
>
> The airplane lands the same way regardless of the power - engine at idle
or shut down. The landing was normal and I just took the high speed exit,
coasting to a stop. By that time, the airport people were out there with
their trucks and flashing lights (un-invited). A brief look over the
airplane showed nothing obvious and a peek in the engine cowl showed nothing
obvious either. I tried to restart, but it would not start so it was towed
to the hangar (by my Dad, who had just arrived in his airplane).
>
> The problem turned out to be a very simple one - yet a show stopper. The
engine has two carburetors which are held to the intake manifold via rubber
flanges. It is really quite a Mickey mouse design that I will be doing
something about in the future - a back-up to keep this from resulting in a
non running - or rough running engine. The rubber flange on the left side of
the engine cracked and split 180 degrees, causing the carburetor to separate
enough from the intake to let in enough air to essentially kill the two
cylinders on the port side of the engine. The fix would take about 10
minutes, if I had the $75 part that has already been ordered. The glider
wings paid off making this thing a very easy and almost relaxing event. The
only hiccup was a Cessna taking the runway when I was abeam the numbers on
downwind announcing what was going on. Some people's kids???
>
>
> To quote Forrest Gump "That's all I have to say about that!"
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> mini U2
> 215 hours TT
>
> I'll probably attach the picture of the flange to the Mini U2 web
site.....
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Have a look at
http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/shop/productprofile.asp?ProductGroupID=1083
I've gone for the Redtop25 for my 914 tri. The same battery seems to be
available with different labels from various sources.
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
Subject: Europa-List: Batteries
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
--> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
I now need to source a battery for my 912S trigear. I have a fairly full
electrical fit with radios, txpdr, GPS etc and wonder what you flyers are
using. Earlier postings are vague on the subject and the only thing that I
have gleaned is that I need 16ah minimum and RG batteries appear to have the
nod. The factory sold Red Top and Yuasu but Aircraft Spruce has not added to
my knowledge on this subject. My battery is going into the back of the plane
so weight (as ever) will be an issue. Your thoughts and advice please. Steve
Pitt #403
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
But this is 10 any time you fly in to Gloster in a PFA type!
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
--> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Goodwood charge L5 for strut fly-ins!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Duncan
>
> For an airfield with 3 hard runways, radar, ATIS, approach, tower and
> all the services 10 is good value! You obviously have not been to the
> likes of Goodwood recently at 14.50 for air-ground and some grass.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
> Some concession!
>
> Duncan Mcf
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
> > --> <gnholland@onetel.com>
> >
> > > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > > Duncan McF
> >
> > I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee
> > and everything else costs too.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | re: Engine Failure Test and Rotax Specials |
08/07/2004 09:44:05 AM,
Serialize complete at 08/07/2004 09:44:05 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hi Dave and All,
Sorry to hear about your flange!
Oddly enough the carb flanges were also mentioned at Oshkosh
in the Rotax 9 series Workshop.
.
It seems the early production of the 9 series had an inflexible
attachment which worked just fine in Austrian test cells.
Out in the field (or in the air) these had an unfortunate habit of
coming undone due to various and sundry resonance vibrations
of what ever was hung for airboxes. Bottom line: be careful
about changing the flange from a soft connection!
My first three test flights were EFATO and also non-events even with
the short wings. It seems that my series combination of the Europa
cartridge fuel filters with an Andair mini-gascolator proved too much
resistance when nose up and would entrain air upstream of the fuel
pump. I took out the gascolator until I am sure the fiberglass crud
is out of the tank, then I will bypass the cartridges for the gascolator
filter/water trap. Also of note, premium mogas purchased in
small towns like Zephyrhills, Fl is highly likely to be stale!
While I am typing, I thought I would just mention the result of a
private question I had for Eric Tucker. I told him I had heard that
the special souped up 914s used in the Predator were removed from
service after 100 hrs and could they find their way onto the surplus
market. He laughed and said they get inspected every 100 hr but not
pulled from service until 1500 hours. Keep in mind that these engine
have a 3 stage turbo and fuel injection among other goodies. The fuel
injection is not done by Rotax but by a private company under exclusive
contract to USAF. Then, tantalizingly, Eric said some of these engines
have in fact been released to surplus. Good Hunting!!
BTW Dave sorry to have missed you at the show. I did see your
beautiful bird there.
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Engine failure test for glider wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 8/6/04 7:00 PM, Dave Anderson at dja767@charter.net wrote:
Someone mentioned the other day about the thought of fuel injection on these
engines. I would love to here of any intent to do that. I am still wiring
the engine and everytime I look at those rubber tubes I wonder. There must
be somthing better.
Jeff
A258 Getting closer and loving it.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> Well, it has happened. The airplane has itself demonstrated its capability for
> safety by having an engine failure - a slow motion failure. I was climbing out
> on the usual profile that provides an easy glide back to the departure
> airport, when I heard a sound change. It was enough to look over at the
> manifold pressure gauge to see 30 inches, when it is normally 36 inches in the
> cruise climb. I throttled back and then increased power to confirm the 30
> inches was not a hallucination. I checked the fuel flow to see if there might
> be some sort of fuel leak - a hazardous condition to be sure. The fuel flow
> was normal, so I throttled back to idle and returned to the airport. I
> considered shutting down and feathering, but it was running OK at idle, so I
> didn't. The airplane arrived over the field at 3500 agl. A circle followed
> with full speed brakes, with a high downwind leg. On downwind, the engine
> started to vibrate in a quite pronounced manner, so with the field made, I
> shut it !
> down , leaving it to windmill. The vibration stopped as soon as I turned off
> the ignition, throttle at idle.
>
> The airplane lands the same way regardless of the power - engine at idle or
> shut down. The landing was normal and I just took the high speed exit,
> coasting to a stop. By that time, the airport people were out there with their
> trucks and flashing lights (un-invited). A brief look over the airplane showed
> nothing obvious and a peek in the engine cowl showed nothing obvious either.
I
> tried to restart, but it would not start so it was towed to the hangar (by my
> Dad, who had just arrived in his airplane).
>
> The problem turned out to be a very simple one - yet a show stopper. The
> engine has two carburetors which are held to the intake manifold via rubber
> flanges. It is really quite a Mickey mouse design that I will be doing
> something about in the future - a back-up to keep this from resulting in a non
> running - or rough running engine. The rubber flange on the left side of the
> engine cracked and split 180 degrees, causing the carburetor to separate
> enough from the intake to let in enough air to essentially kill the two
> cylinders on the port side of the engine. The fix would take about 10 minutes,
> if I had the $75 part that has already been ordered. The glider wings paid off
> making this thing a very easy and almost relaxing event. The only hiccup was
a
> Cessna taking the runway when I was abeam the numbers on downwind announcing
> what was going on. Some people's kids???
>
>
> To quote Forrest Gump "That's all I have to say about that!"
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> mini U2
> 215 hours TT
>
> I'll probably attach the picture of the flange to the Mini U2 web site.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine failure test for glider wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I have a good friend who happens to be a Rotax dealer / engineer. He
advised me to check the carb flanges on my 912S at every service as he
has known them to fail even on new engines. It is easy to do. Just
unscrew the Phillips screw holding the flange to the carburettor and
slip the whole carb assembly off then you can have a good look and feel
around the flange for early signs of splitting. See Rotax service
bulletin at http://www.ultralightnews.ca/bing/912intaksocketadvisory.pdf
issued 2001. Not sure if this is still current but my advisor says it is
still worth doing.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Anderson
Subject: Europa-List: Engine failure test for glider wings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Well, it has happened. The airplane has itself demonstrated its
capability for safety by having an engine failure - a slow motion
failure
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Goodwood ....?
Rough grass at that more ups and down than an whores draws!
Still 10 is not a concession in my book.
It was 10 at Jurby and you got a cracking air show for your money.
Pity they made us wait 'til the race was over to get out though. Really
worth while trip. Dramatic scenery too.
Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG back "on song"!
Do not archive......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Duncan
>
> For an airfield with 3 hard runways, radar, ATIS, approach, tower and
> all the services 10 is good value! You obviously have not been to the
> likes of Goodwood recently at 14.50 for air-ground and some grass.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
> Some concession!
>
> Duncan Mcf
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
> > --> <gnholland@onetel.com>
> >
> > > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > > Duncan McF
> >
> > I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee
> > and everything else costs too.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Mike
My sentiments entirely.... 'Then on top of that we may have to start
negotiating Europa spares from suppliers who have been ripped off by Europa
! Our "birds" ARE GETTING VERY EXPENSIVE SUDDENLY .
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
dp not archive......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin"
<mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> Pete,
>
> That may be true if it were a normal day and not a fly-in. I still think
> 10.00 is a lot to pay to use 300m of anyones' concrete with our light
> weight speed machine.
> It's really the law of diminishing returns. Charge more, less people go,
> charge even more, even less people go ........
>
> Why is it that in many places overseas there are minimal landing charges,
> particularly in the USA and Canada - but in rip-off Britain, at least a
pint
> of blood is the starting minimum charge.
>
> Its a bit like the PFA Rally. Lets make the entrance fee so high that Joe
> Public just will not pay it, the pitch rental so high that manufacturers
etc
> will not pay it. Result a financial loss and, rumour has it, no Rally
next
> year.
>
> Has the PFA finally lost the plot!!!!
>
> regards,
>
> Mike (G-JULZ)
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| Subject: | Gap Between CP Module Tunnel & Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hello friends.
I plopped my cockpit module in the canoe for a trial fit and cleco hole
drilling today.
When the module is pushed all the way forward I still have a wide gap at the
top of the tunnel. About 10 mm or 3/8 inch between tunnel top flange and
firewall bulkhead. Can that be correct?
Page 11-6 of the manual reads that some sanding may be required to fit but be
sure not to sand away any glass. There is no way I can sand enough away at
the bottom to compensate for what appears to be nonparallel surfaces without
hitting glass or completely removing the bottom module flange!
Questions:
Is this normal?
What is the fix?
Perhaps a think layer of Redux at bonding time?
Any other issues I should be concerned with at this stage?
Once again. Thank you for your ideas and most welcomed comments.
Gentlemen, no matter what the outcome in the UK. This plane is going to get
built!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Gap Between CP Module Tunnel & Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
>Hello friends.
>
>I plopped my cockpit module in the canoe for a trial fit and cleco hole
>drilling today.
>When the module is pushed all the way forward I still have a wide gap at the
>top of the tunnel. About 10 mm or 3/8 inch between tunnel top flange and
>firewall bulkhead. Can that be correct?
>
>Page 11-6 of the manual reads that some sanding may be required to fit but be
>sure not to sand away any glass. There is no way I can sand enough away at
>the bottom to compensate for what appears to be nonparallel surfaces without
>hitting glass or completely removing the bottom module flange!
>
>Questions:
> Is this normal?
>
> What is the fix?
>
>Perhaps a think layer of Redux at bonding time?
>
>Any other issues I should be concerned with at this stage?
>
>Once again. Thank you for your ideas and most welcomed comments.
>
>Gentlemen, no matter what the outcome in the UK. This plane is going to get
>built!
>
>Brian S
>A276 Tri Gear. Texas
>See my build photos at:
>http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
>
>
>
>
Brian,
All is well. Simply add more Rudux to fill the gap... Congratulations
on your progress...
--
Jeff A055
http://www.n55xs.com
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| Subject: | Re: Gap Between CP Module Tunnel & Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Brian,
The 3/8 inch gap is normal, just fill it with redux and flox.
After you cut out the firewall to expose the tunnel you can
add filler as necessary.
John, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Gap Between CP Module Tunnel & Firewall
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Hello friends.
>
> I plopped my cockpit module in the canoe for a trial fit and cleco hole
> drilling today.
> When the module is pushed all the way forward I still have a wide gap at
the
> top of the tunnel. About 10 mm or 3/8 inch between tunnel top flange and
> firewall bulkhead. Can that be correct?
>
> Page 11-6 of the manual reads that some sanding may be required to fit but
be
> sure not to sand away any glass. There is no way I can sand enough away at
> the bottom to compensate for what appears to be nonparallel surfaces
without
> hitting glass or completely removing the bottom module flange!
>
> Questions:
> Is this normal?
>
> What is the fix?
>
> Perhaps a think layer of Redux at bonding time?
>
> Any other issues I should be concerned with at this stage?
>
> Once again. Thank you for your ideas and most welcomed comments.
>
> Gentlemen, no matter what the outcome in the UK. This plane is going to
get
> built!
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> See my build photos at:
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday FREE BITS! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Nigel,
It sounds like we are all being encouraged to drive there by car! Free
entry and free parking and the rest is the same. That sounds like
discrimination against pilots and aviation.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday FREE BITS!
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> Well I did go and speak to the Airport [the lovely Lesley] to see if it
could be made a free landing charge for the day! But as always it's Y should
we !!!
> Cotswold Aero Club is one of the oldest flying clubs in the country
> the local PFA strut is 100+ strong
>
> This year we decided to see if we could add a bit more to it than just a
sausage in a bun ! Yes you have to pay for food if u want it, and drinks.
>
> I hear the chef does a megga burger and as always salads puddings and nice
bits to eat [We do it ! Not some over priced outside caterers]
>
> RGV are giving away an electric scooter ! all u have to do is find the
faults on an aircraft between 10 and 15 faults the winners go into a
hat and somebody gets a scooter [FREE |!!!!!!! ] about 90.00 worth
>
> You can try an electric scooters FREE !!!!!!!!
>
> Play with a Garmin 430 for FREE
>
> Play with a Garmin 296 for FREE
>
> If you wish to drive to Staverton you can enter and chat for FREE!!!!!
>
> Parking your car FREE
>
> If you bring small Children they get a baloon FREE !
>
> Look at planes FREE
>
> Chat to other pilots FREE
>
> Stay all day FREE
>
> NO CHARGE its FREE
>
> BUT if u want to land your plane its a 10 note sorry
>
> Nigel Henry
>
>
> Mike Parkin <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin"
>
> Pete,
>
> That may be true if it were a normal day and not a fly-in. I still think
> 10.00 is a lot to pay to use 300m of anyones' concrete with our light
> weight speed machine.
> It's really the law of diminishing returns. Charge more, less people go,
> charge even more, even less people go ........
>
> Why is it that in many places overseas there are minimal landing charges,
> particularly in the USA and Canada - but in rip-off Britain, at least a
pint
> of blood is the starting minimum charge.
>
> Its a bit like the PFA Rally. Lets make the entrance fee so high that Joe
> Public just will not pay it, the pitch rental so high that manufacturers
etc
> will not pay it. Result a financial loss and, rumour has it, no Rally next
> year.
>
> Has the PFA finally lost the plot!!!!
>
> regards,
>
> Mike (G-JULZ)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Lawless"
>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless"
>
> >
> > Duncan
> >
> > For an airfield with 3 hard runways, radar, ATIS, approach, tower and
> > all the services 10 is good value! You obviously have not been to the
> > likes of Goodwood recently at 14.50 for air-ground and some grass.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> > McFadyean
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> > -->
> >
> > L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
> > Some concession!
> >
> > Duncan Mcf
> > do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gerry Holland"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
> > > -->
> > >
> > > > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > > > Duncan McF
> > >
> > > I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee
> > > and everything else costs too.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ==
> > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > ==
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> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Max CHT Temp is 240F not 240C |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Thanks, Ira,
Would it be possible to obtain definitive answers to my questions from the
Rotax experts?
Many thanks,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Max CHT Temp is 240F not 240C
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Greetings,
> Look at Rotax Operators Manual page 10.1
> There it says max CHT is 300F, max oil temp is 285F
> At Oshkosh, two actual Rotax experts say Do Not Exceed 240F
> because to do so will over time remove the heat treatment of the
> casting which may then warp, etc.
> At some point in operation the oil temp should exceed 220F to boil off
> any water condensate from the products of combustion or elsewhere.
>
> Interesting factoid <<do not attempt this at home>> Rotax 9 series will
> run without coolant or oil for
> perhaps 30 min to get you home, at which point you can thank it for giving
> its life to save yours!
>
> As for Carbs, Phil did mention some parts requiring examination but not
> necessarily replacement, same for the gearbox
>
>
> Ira Rampil N224XS
>
>
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