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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. (Alan Burrows)
2. 01:00 AM - Aircraft Manual (p-a.austin)
3. 01:39 AM - FW: Morning (Alan Burrows)
4. 01:40 AM - Re: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's (Jeremy Davey)
5. 02:29 AM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Pete Lawless)
6. 02:59 AM - Fuel Pump (Alan Burrows)
7. 03:17 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (Tim Ward)
8. 03:53 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (Jeremy Davey)
9. 04:14 AM - Lightning strike (David Joyce)
10. 05:22 AM - Re: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol (Jeremy Davey)
11. 05:31 AM - Re: Engine failure test for glider wings (Jeremy Davey)
12. 05:41 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. (Jeremy Davey)
13. 07:35 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. (Alan Burrows)
14. 07:35 AM - New carb flanges (Dave Anderson)
15. 07:43 AM - Europa Administration (G-IANI)
16. 07:53 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. (Jeremy Davey)
17. 08:10 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (bryan allsop)
18. 08:20 AM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Rob Housman)
19. 08:27 AM - Re: Lightning strike (Fred Fillinger)
20. 08:30 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (Gillian and Charlie Laverty)
21. 08:38 AM - Europa Administration (Carl Pattinson)
22. 08:39 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (Gillian and Charlie Laverty)
23. 08:55 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (Alan Burrows)
24. 09:19 AM - Re: Europa Administration (Steven Pitt)
25. 09:42 AM - Re: Lightning strike (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
26. 09:49 AM - Smart level operation? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
27. 10:17 AM - FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (Kevin Klinefelter)
28. 10:21 AM - Re: Europa Administration (Jeremy Davey)
29. 10:21 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (Jeremy Davey)
30. 10:43 AM - Re: Europa Administration (Carl Pattinson)
31. 10:59 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (R.C.Harrison)
32. 11:21 AM - Re: Europa Administration (R.C.Harrison)
33. 11:23 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (Richard Iddon)
34. 11:34 AM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (Mike Parkin)
35. 11:44 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (RMRRick@aol.com)
36. 12:01 PM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Duncan McFadyean)
37. 12:19 PM - fuel injected 912 (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
38. 12:39 PM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (bryan allsop)
39. 01:03 PM - Re: Fuel Injection (Jeff Roberts)
40. 01:21 PM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Mike Parkin)
41. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Injection (Duncan McFadyean)
42. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Injection (Gerry Holland)
43. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Injection (Duncan McFadyean)
44. 03:27 PM - Exhaust Supplier (Tony Bale)
45. 03:27 PM - Throttle Cables (Tony Bale)
46. 03:55 PM - Re: Lightning strike (Tony Renshaw)
47. 06:11 PM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (Craig Ellison)
48. 07:35 PM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Dale G. HetriG Hetrick)
49. 08:44 PM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (Fred Fillinger)
50. 11:00 PM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (David DeFord)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bob
It was good to meet everyone this weekend also. I agree about the long
wait for departure, but the guy in front of both of us didn't do much to
improve the situation either. I sometimes wonder how you can be at the
front of a queue at the hold and not be listening out on the radio!
Never mind I think he got the message(eventually).Glad you liked the
fuel pump. As soon as I hear back from my contact I will post a price so
everyone who wants one can order from him. With regards to Kate having
any sisters, yes she has two I'll ask if either are available, maybe
there's a business opportunity here in supplying "flying girlfriends"
uum :-)
Hey can anyone tell me how to post a picture so I can let everyone see
my super little fuel pump ?...Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Alan.
So Good to meet you and Katie over the weekend.
Excellent air show ( except they do wear a bit thin after one a year and
four days at Berlin !) Also the materpiece of an idea to tempt the Rutan
Brothers was out of this world. Wouldn't have missed it for the world.
Damn shame about holding us so long for departure not at all considerate
of distance flyers. Let me know about the pump ASAP since I have to
change my ways on the filling technique anyway. BTW I meant to ask Katie
if she has a sister that flys?! regards Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>
> For anyone coming over to the I.O.M this weekend the weather on
> Saturday is looking ok now so it promises to be a good event. A useful
> phone No. to store away is the pilots line at Ronaldsway met office
> who are extremely helpful and can usually give reliable w/x forecasts
> for most parts of the UK i.e. on route weather and even the time of
> expected problems, so store this one away as its not usually published
> 01624 821640. Hope to see you over the weekend. Cheers Alan
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
When I purchased my Kit ( oh so long ago ) was advised by the oracle himself
to request the Aircraft manual and pre-flight check list when approaching
the end of the building stage!?!?!?! But I don't think Ivan Shaw could ever
have envisaged what has happened to what he started.
I have a copy of the preflight checklist kindly copied for me by Bill
Sisley, has anyone any ideas how to obtain a copy of the Europa Aircraft
Manual?
Regards
Peter Austin
Builder #198
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hope you all had a good weekend even the one's that didn't make it to
the I.O.M.!!
Any comments ?
THE TEN-SECOND FUNNY: MORE DEAD HORSES
Well, someone's come up with a variant on that supposed old 'Dakota
tribal wisdom' email about what to do when you find you are riding a
dead horse. Here it is:
"The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed down from generation to
generation, says that when you discover that you are riding a dead
horse, the best strategy is to dismount. In many organizations, however,
a whole range of far more advanced strategies are often employed, such
as:
1. Change riders
2. Buy a stronger whip
3. Do nothing: "This is the way we have always ridden dead horses" 4.
Visit other companies or countries to see how they ride dead horses 5.
Perform a productivity study to see if lighter riders improve the dead
horse's performance 6. Outsource: Hire a contractor to ride the dead
horse
7. Harness several dead horses together in an attempt to increase the
speed 8. Provide additional funding and/or training to increase the dead
horse's performance 9. Appoint a committee to study the horse and assess
how dead it actually is 10. Re-classify the dead horse as
"living-impaired" 11. Develop a Strategic Plan for the management of
dead horses
12. Rewrite the expected performance requirements for all horses 13.
Modify existing standards to include dead horses 14. Declare that, as
the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower
overheads, and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom
line than many other horses 15. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory
position."
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 S E.G.T's |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Yes, but in the case of the R1100, that's because you have no way of
remapping the injection system (currently optimised as you say for emissions
and road use) for your requirements.
Compare and contrast with my Subaru Impreza - remapping those for power,
torque, lag reduction, etc. is very common. I'm not suggesting those types
of mappings for an aircraft engine (overstressing the Rotax would not be
good :-)), but trying to indicate that an electronic injection and ignition
would give much greater tuning flexibility.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Oh no! I feel another Jeremy Davey modification coming on!!
Actually, the best way to get additional power from the electronically
controlled fuel injection on the BMW R1100 is to .....................fit
carburettors!
But that's probably because the original system is optimised for road use
and low emissions, which is the main benefit and reason for widespread use
in cars.
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> I remain amazed that no-one has yet come up with an add-on for the Rotax
> that replaces the carburettors and magnetos with multipoint electronic
> injection and electronic ignition. The benefits would seem obvious: better
> economy, more power, longer TBO, better starting, etc.
>
> The more I think about it, the more I think the Europa community is big
> enough to drive such an exercise. Anyone else interested?
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
> Singleton
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912 S E.G.T's
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 04/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >At other power settings the rear cylinders run a lot cooler than the
front
> >and there is often an imbalance left to right on the rear. The front
> >cylinders are far better behaved.
> >
> >I haven't tried swapping probes around to see if the imbalance is down to
> >instrument error, but doubt that it is. Rather, appalling inlet manifold
> >design allied to the shared cylinders not operating 360 degrees apart is
> >likely to blame.
>
> I found exactly the same with the 912 and came to the same conclusion.
Time
> Rotax gave us fuel injection.
> I believe Ellison did a throttle body installation for the 912. I had good
> experience with one on a Lycosaurus but haven't heard about any Rotax
> installations
> Graham
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Peter
I have a Classic manual, if you are desparate I will scan it and send
you a CD with it on, it will be a bit too big to email.
Let me know.
Regards
Pete
Do not archive.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of p-a.austin
Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
--> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
When I purchased my Kit ( oh so long ago ) was advised by the oracle
himself to request the Aircraft manual and pre-flight check list when
approaching the end of the building stage!?!?!?! But I don't think Ivan
Shaw could ever have envisaged what has happened to what he started. I
have a copy of the preflight checklist kindly copied for me by Bill
Sisley, has anyone any ideas how to obtain a copy of the Europa Aircraft
Manual?
Regards
Peter Austin
Builder #198
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi everyone
I now have pictures of my system for refuelling the aircraft, the
plastic container is about 25 ltrs and is available from demon tweeks.
The whole process takes about 2 mins per can. Please don't ask me about
pumping capacity or anything technical. I just know it works and is
simple. Anyone wanting to see them drop me a note with your email
address Cheers.. Alan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Alan,
Yes please,would like to see the pictures.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph 0064 3 3515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Pump
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi everyone
> I now have pictures of my system for refuelling the aircraft, the
> plastic container is about 25 ltrs and is available from demon tweeks.
> The whole process takes about 2 mins per can. Please don't ask me about
> pumping capacity or anything technical. I just know it works and is
> simple. Anyone wanting to see them drop me a note with your email
> address Cheers.. Alan
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Yes, please, Alan!
EuropaFlyer@msn.com
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Pump
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi everyone
I now have pictures of my system for refuelling the aircraft, the
plastic container is about 25 ltrs and is available from demon tweeks.
The whole process takes about 2 mins per can. Please don't ask me about
pumping capacity or anything technical. I just know it works and is
simple. Anyone wanting to see them drop me a note with your email
address Cheers.. Alan
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| Subject: | Lightning strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Returned yesterday from Glasgow (Cumbernauld) to Kemble through the fringes of
Hurricane Alex - 35 kt headwind, 3* turbulence thru Scotland & Lake District,
22kts gusting 32kts on finals into Blackpool, etc. But the thing that really kept
me awake was the embedded Cunims said to be in the front we were trying to
outrun as it approached from the W. Much aware of the glider whose wings blew
apart, and regretting having no chute! My rather anxious & rather seasick passenger
managed to see two flashes, which I am pretty certain were reflections
of the fin mounted strobe on the metal frame of his specs, but added something
to the atmosphere!
In the aftermath of this it was particularly interesting to read about Paul's
strike, and many congratulations Paul on surviving! The point that I am coming
to is that I would not expect to have survived a lightning strike on my
plane yesterday. Having no nav lights, I guess the lightning path would have involved
an arc across the enclosed wing space to the control runs. My understanding
of the glider episode reports was that it was the massive heating of the
air in an enclosed space that produced enough expansion to blow the wing apart,
and I did not think that water was a key part of it (but I may be wrong on
that).
Paul's experience strongly suggests that the fitting of a ground wire
from wing tip to wing tip gives a significant degree of protection. I had been
thinking of retro-fitting nav lights when/if UK Permit privileges are extended,
but this makes me feel that it would be worth getting on with it soonest. The
glider report included analysis of lightning strike data for the day to give
a close estimate of the strength of the strike. It would be interesting and
possibly important, Paul if it were possible to get that info for your strike.
David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Mike,
Maybe I can help a bit on the Rally side. As part of my role as PFA NC Rep
for the Club and some other responsibilities, I'm collating feedback on the
Rally - Rowland has forwarded all he's got to me. If you've got some ideas,
please let me have them!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin"
<mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Pete,
That may be true if it were a normal day and not a fly-in. I still think
10.00 is a lot to pay to use 300m of anyones' concrete with our light
weight speed machine.
It's really the law of diminishing returns. Charge more, less people go,
charge even more, even less people go ........
Why is it that in many places overseas there are minimal landing charges,
particularly in the USA and Canada - but in rip-off Britain, at least a pint
of blood is the starting minimum charge.
Its a bit like the PFA Rally. Lets make the entrance fee so high that Joe
Public just will not pay it, the pitch rental so high that manufacturers etc
will not pay it. Result a financial loss and, rumour has it, no Rally next
year.
Has the PFA finally lost the plot!!!!
regards,
Mike (G-JULZ)
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From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Duncan
>
> For an airfield with 3 hard runways, radar, ATIS, approach, tower and
> all the services 10 is good value! You obviously have not been to the
> likes of Goodwood recently at 14.50 for air-ground and some grass.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> L10.00 landing fee really means "...go somewhere else".
> Some concession!
>
> Duncan Mcf
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In Gloucester Sunday lol
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
> > --> <gnholland@onetel.com>
> >
> > > If that's clarification................I still don't understand.
> > > Duncan McF
> >
> > I'm with you on that Duncan! I still think you pay 10.00 Landing Fee
> > and everything else costs too.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Engine failure test for glider wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Jeff,
It was I and it's very much a wish of mine - I'm not a fan on steam-age
technology in modern aircraft!
I'm rather behind you with my build, though, so it's unlikely I'll have a
solution in time for you - unless you're happy to retrofit in a few years.
At this stage, I'm just trying to find out who has done what to date - the
factory intercooler is one item that won't need to be developed, for
example.
Getting it all through the PFA will be another matter... But at least it
should be safe if Francis anoints the solution with holy water!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine failure test for glider wings
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 8/6/04 7:00 PM, Dave Anderson at dja767@charter.net wrote:
Someone mentioned the other day about the thought of fuel injection on these
engines. I would love to here of any intent to do that. I am still wiring
the engine and everytime I look at those rubber tubes I wonder. There must
be somthing better.
Jeff
A258 Getting closer and loving it.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> Well, it has happened. The airplane has itself demonstrated its capability
for
> safety by having an engine failure - a slow motion failure. I was climbing
out
> on the usual profile that provides an easy glide back to the departure
> airport, when I heard a sound change. It was enough to look over at the
> manifold pressure gauge to see 30 inches, when it is normally 36 inches in
the
> cruise climb. I throttled back and then increased power to confirm the 30
> inches was not a hallucination. I checked the fuel flow to see if there
might
> be some sort of fuel leak - a hazardous condition to be sure. The fuel
flow
> was normal, so I throttled back to idle and returned to the airport. I
> considered shutting down and feathering, but it was running OK at idle, so
I
> didn't. The airplane arrived over the field at 3500 agl. A circle
followed
> with full speed brakes, with a high downwind leg. On downwind, the engine
> started to vibrate in a quite pronounced manner, so with the field made, I
> shut it !
> down , leaving it to windmill. The vibration stopped as soon as I turned
off
> the ignition, throttle at idle.
>
> The airplane lands the same way regardless of the power - engine at idle
or
> shut down. The landing was normal and I just took the high speed exit,
> coasting to a stop. By that time, the airport people were out there with
their
> trucks and flashing lights (un-invited). A brief look over the airplane
showed
> nothing obvious and a peek in the engine cowl showed nothing obvious
either. I
> tried to restart, but it would not start so it was towed to the hangar (by
my
> Dad, who had just arrived in his airplane).
>
> The problem turned out to be a very simple one - yet a show stopper. The
> engine has two carburetors which are held to the intake manifold via
rubber
> flanges. It is really quite a Mickey mouse design that I will be doing
> something about in the future - a back-up to keep this from resulting in a
non
> running - or rough running engine. The rubber flange on the left side of
the
> engine cracked and split 180 degrees, causing the carburetor to separate
> enough from the intake to let in enough air to essentially kill the two
> cylinders on the port side of the engine. The fix would take about 10
minutes,
> if I had the $75 part that has already been ordered. The glider wings paid
off
> making this thing a very easy and almost relaxing event. The only hiccup
was a
> Cessna taking the runway when I was abeam the numbers on downwind
announcing
> what was going on. Some people's kids???
>
>
> To quote Forrest Gump "That's all I have to say about that!"
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> mini U2
> 215 hours TT
>
> I'll probably attach the picture of the flange to the Mini U2 web
site.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Alan,
I suspect there's a much bigger market out there for supplying 'flying
mistresses' :-) You need to be careful that the liaisons are strictly
non-concurrent and at least medium-term, or you may find this little
sideline counts as pimping :-). There again, maybe the Tynwald sets
different rules?
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bob
It was good to meet everyone this weekend also. I agree about the long
wait for departure, but the guy in front of both of us didn't do much to
improve the situation either. I sometimes wonder how you can be at the
front of a queue at the hold and not be listening out on the radio!
Never mind I think he got the message(eventually).Glad you liked the
fuel pump. As soon as I hear back from my contact I will post a price so
everyone who wants one can order from him. With regards to Kate having
any sisters, yes she has two I'll ask if either are available, maybe
there's a business opportunity here in supplying "flying girlfriends"
uum :-)
Hey can anyone tell me how to post a picture so I can let everyone see
my super little fuel pump ?...Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Alan.
So Good to meet you and Katie over the weekend.
Excellent air show ( except they do wear a bit thin after one a year and
four days at Berlin !) Also the materpiece of an idea to tempt the Rutan
Brothers was out of this world. Wouldn't have missed it for the world.
Damn shame about holding us so long for departure not at all considerate
of distance flyers. Let me know about the pump ASAP since I have to
change my ways on the filling technique anyway. BTW I meant to ask Katie
if she has a sister that flys?! regards Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>
> For anyone coming over to the I.O.M this weekend the weather on
> Saturday is looking ok now so it promises to be a good event. A useful
> phone No. to store away is the pilots line at Ronaldsway met office
> who are extremely helpful and can usually give reliable w/x forecasts
> for most parts of the UK i.e. on route weather and even the time of
> expected problems, so store this one away as its not usually published
> 01624 821640. Hope to see you over the weekend. Cheers Alan
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Jeremy
Rules....? Rules....? I'm a pilot...what are they..!
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Alan,
I suspect there's a much bigger market out there for supplying 'flying
mistresses' :-) You need to be careful that the liaisons are strictly
non-concurrent and at least medium-term, or you may find this little
sideline counts as pimping :-). There again, maybe the Tynwald sets
different rules?
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bob
It was good to meet everyone this weekend also. I agree about the long
wait for departure, but the guy in front of both of us didn't do much to
improve the situation either. I sometimes wonder how you can be at the
front of a queue at the hold and not be listening out on the radio!
Never mind I think he got the message(eventually).Glad you liked the
fuel pump. As soon as I hear back from my contact I will post a price so
everyone who wants one can order from him. With regards to Kate having
any sisters, yes she has two I'll ask if either are available, maybe
there's a business opportunity here in supplying "flying girlfriends"
uum :-)
Hey can anyone tell me how to post a picture so I can let everyone see
my super little fuel pump ?...Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Alan.
So Good to meet you and Katie over the weekend.
Excellent air show ( except they do wear a bit thin after one a year and
four days at Berlin !) Also the materpiece of an idea to tempt the Rutan
Brothers was out of this world. Wouldn't have missed it for the world.
Damn shame about holding us so long for departure not at all considerate
of distance flyers. Let me know about the pump ASAP since I have to
change my ways on the filling technique anyway. BTW I meant to ask Katie
if she has a sister that flys?! regards Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>
> For anyone coming over to the I.O.M this weekend the weather on
> Saturday is looking ok now so it promises to be a good event. A useful
> phone No. to store away is the pilots line at Ronaldsway met office
> who are extremely helpful and can usually give reliable w/x forecasts
> for most parts of the UK i.e. on route weather and even the time of
> expected problems, so store this one away as its not usually published
> 01624 821640. Hope to see you over the weekend. Cheers Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | New carb flanges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Of course, I did not have a problem with the carb flange - right up to the point
it failed!!
It seems like they have done what is needed to resolve this problem. Here is a
description from the California power systems catalog on the new and improved
part:
267-788 Carb Flange for Rotax 912
267-788 Carb Flange for Rotax 912. New style Kevlar impregnated rubber holds carb
firmer than older units. Also includes screw stop to prevent overtightening.
The Kevlar impregnated phrase is the key there. I will be ordering another one
today for the side that has not yet failed and start working on a simple, hopefully
light weight support for the airbox.
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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| Subject: | Europa Administration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
I have spoken today (Monday 09/08/04) to Stephanie Coulter at Redman
Nichols, the Europa Administrators. It appears that her e-mail is not very
reliable. She is concerned to ensure that everyone who is owed parts and
kits is contacted.
If you have received the "Creditors" letter from Redman Nichols please
complete the "Creditors Questionnaire" and "Statement of Claim Form" and
return then by post.
If you have not received the "Creditors" letter and need to make a claim
please contact her on 01377 257788, fax her on 01377 249119 or write to.
Stephanie Coulter
Redman Nichols
Maclaren House
Skerne Road
Great Driffield
East Yorkshire
YO25 6PN
The e-mail address stephanie.coulter@redman-nichols.co.uk may work but
ensure you get a reply.
Please ensure that this communication includes your full name, address,
telephone number, and other details such as fax or e-mail.
Please provide your kit number (which Europa use as your Account Number) and
if possible the order date and order number from which the parts are
missing. If payment was made against an offer letter rather than an invoice
you may need a copy of this. Please give as much detail as you can
regarding the outstanding Items.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct on g-iani@ntlworld.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Pilots are people who fly aeroplanes. I'd have thought you'd know that :-)
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Jeremy
Rules....? Rules....? I'm a pilot...what are they..!
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Alan,
I suspect there's a much bigger market out there for supplying 'flying
mistresses' :-) You need to be careful that the liaisons are strictly
non-concurrent and at least medium-term, or you may find this little
sideline counts as pimping :-). There again, maybe the Tynwald sets
different rules?
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bob
It was good to meet everyone this weekend also. I agree about the long
wait for departure, but the guy in front of both of us didn't do much to
improve the situation either. I sometimes wonder how you can be at the
front of a queue at the hold and not be listening out on the radio!
Never mind I think he got the message(eventually).Glad you liked the
fuel pump. As soon as I hear back from my contact I will post a price so
everyone who wants one can order from him. With regards to Kate having
any sisters, yes she has two I'll ask if either are available, maybe
there's a business opportunity here in supplying "flying girlfriends"
uum :-)
Hey can anyone tell me how to post a picture so I can let everyone see
my super little fuel pump ?...Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Alan.
So Good to meet you and Katie over the weekend.
Excellent air show ( except they do wear a bit thin after one a year and
four days at Berlin !) Also the materpiece of an idea to tempt the Rutan
Brothers was out of this world. Wouldn't have missed it for the world.
Damn shame about holding us so long for departure not at all considerate
of distance flyers. Let me know about the pump ASAP since I have to
change my ways on the filling technique anyway. BTW I meant to ask Katie
if she has a sister that flys?! regards Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>
> For anyone coming over to the I.O.M this weekend the weather on
> Saturday is looking ok now so it promises to be a good event. A useful
> phone No. to store away is the pilots line at Ronaldsway met office
> who are extremely helpful and can usually give reliable w/x forecasts
> for most parts of the UK i.e. on route weather and even the time of
> expected problems, so store this one away as its not usually published
> 01624 821640. Hope to see you over the weekend. Cheers Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Alan
Twas nice meeting you at the Isle Of Man. What an unexpected delight the air
display was. I did enjoy it.
For future visitors though I would add just one word of advice. Do not
promise to phone you loved ones to re-assure them that you have safely
transited 60 miles of the Irish Sea. The Rulers of the isle have decreed
that visiting mobiles shall not operate from the island, nor shall they
offer any other means of communication from an airfield.We were advised that
there is a local connection charge for the mobile service.
Caused some unnecessary worries.
All the best. Bryan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
By "Aircraft Manual" I presume (because you are near completion) that you
mean what we in the US call the POH (Pilot's Operating Handbook). Europa
calls it (for my aircraft) the "XS Tri Owners Manual" which is 113 pages of
text and illustrations (660 Kb) in pdf format - mine is not a scanned copy
but the "original" from Europa. Contact me off-list if you would like a
copy, and will send it to you (or anyone else that wants one).
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of p-a.austin
Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
--> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
When I purchased my Kit ( oh so long ago ) was advised by the oracle himself
to request the Aircraft manual and pre-flight check list when approaching
the end of the building stage!?!?!?! But I don't think Ivan Shaw could ever
have envisaged what has happened to what he started.
I have a copy of the preflight checklist kindly copied for me by Bill
Sisley, has anyone any ideas how to obtain a copy of the Europa Aircraft
Manual?
Regards
Peter Austin
Builder #198
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
David Joyce wrote:
> ...
> Paul's experience strongly suggests that the fitting of a
> ground wire from wing tip to wing tip gives a significant
> degree of protection.
> I had been thinking of retro-fitting nav lights when/if UK
> Permit privileges are extended, but this makes me feel that
> it would be worth getting on with it soonest.
I think we need to be careful with words like "significant." I have
relevant tech documents by the experts, plus reports of other
incidents to composite aircraft with lighting systems, and it seems
lightning enters/exits/or doesn't as it wishes.
It is true that the tips of the 4 aircraft extremities are involved in
almost all incidents for known reasons. What I cannot find is
anything suggesting that adding wire out to the tips (into the
relevant "Zone 1A" as they call it) will makes things safer. If
lightning sees nowhere to travel from a tip in the pre-events
preceding the actual electrical discharge, it may just do nothing.
Seems to me that if the answer were as simple as heavy gauge wire
sufficient for many kiloamperes -- from the 4 extremities and easily
calculated to be a safe arcing distance from other metal -- were a
solution, it would be an attractive one. But the only approved
solution after all the research and testing done is metal mesh in the
skins.
The other thing about a ground and hot wire doing such double duty is
that it's connected to many other wires. In my case, this includes
the sender in the fuel tank. Paul has sent me add'l "forensic"
tidbits concerning his strike, and it seems these pathways may have
whacked an avionics box and the battery contactor.
In the famous UK glider incident, it involved a metal aileron control
tube extending out to within Zone 1A. On an unlighted Europa, the
metal extends only out to about 60% of semispan, electrically miles
away from this zone.
I also have a doc which suggests one incident, and Paul's, was only a
little "streamer," not the full bolt. Likely also the one I
encountered years ago. Hence, minimal physical damage.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gillian and Charlie Laverty" <bb@baliscate.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi Alan
Would very much like contact number for the fuel pump you
describe & any other gen you are able to let me have, sounds ideal
Getting there slowly,
Charlie (kit no 60)
Gillian and Charlie
Baliscate Guest House
Tobermory
Isle of Mull PA75 6QA
Tel 44( 0)1688 302048
Fax 44())1688 302666
www.baliscate.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Pump
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Alan,
> Yes please,would like to see the pictures.
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8005
> New Zealand.
> Ph 0064 3 3515166
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Pump
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> >
> > Hi everyone
> > I now have pictures of my system for refuelling the aircraft, the
> > plastic container is about 25 ltrs and is available from demon tweeks.
> > The whole process takes about 2 mins per can. Please don't ask me about
> > pumping capacity or anything technical. I just know it works and is
> > simple. Anyone wanting to see them drop me a note with your email
> > address Cheers.. Alan
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Administration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Hi All,
Dont know if anybody saw the article in the Mail On Sunday financial
section. Headed "Award- winning plane maker grounded by debt" there was a
picture of Ivan Shaw with the Duke of Edinburgh. The caption Captivated the
Duke of Edinburgh with "another observer". I was surprised the paper didnt
bother to find out who Ivan is but then maybe the omission of his name was
deliberate.
The article went on to say that KW said the problems were down to "the next
project which took longer and cost more than anticipated". I wasnt aware
they were working on anything unless he meant the glider wings???
I suspect the article was an attempt by the administrator to attract an
investor with deep pockets. Hope it works.
Carl & Dot
G-LABS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gillian and Charlie Laverty" <bb@baliscate.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi Alan
Would be very pleased to have a contact number & any other info
on the fuel pump you have, sounds ideal
Best wishes,
Charlie (very slow builder no 60).
Gillian and Charlie
Baliscate Guest House
Tobermory
Isle of Mull PA75 6QA
Tel 44( 0)1688 302048
Fax 44())1688 302666
www.baliscate.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Pump
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi everyone
> I now have pictures of my system for refuelling the aircraft, the
> plastic container is about 25 ltrs and is available from demon tweeks.
> The whole process takes about 2 mins per can. Please don't ask me about
> pumping capacity or anything technical. I just know it works and is
> simple. Anyone wanting to see them drop me a note with your email
> address Cheers.. Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bryan
Sorry to hear about your mobile phone problems, if you had told me then
I would have let you use mine. The reason for yours not working is that
the I.O.M. is a different country and has its own phone network.
Although the network is owned by BT they (BT) decree that its completely
separate so no connectivity between the two systems. I have the same
problem when in U.K.
Anyway next time let me know and you can make a call on mine. Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
--> <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Alan
Twas nice meeting you at the Isle Of Man. What an unexpected delight the
air display was. I did enjoy it.
For future visitors though I would add just one word of advice. Do not
promise to phone you loved ones to re-assure them that you have safely
transited 60 miles of the Irish Sea. The Rulers of the isle have decreed
that visiting mobiles shall not operate from the island, nor shall they
offer any other means of communication from an airfield.We were advised
that there is a local connection charge for the mobile service. Caused
some unnecessary worries.
All the best. Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Administration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Good spot - I was going to make the same observations as you did.
It was interesting to note that the article mentioned debts of 700,000 (or
$1.3m to our Atlantic cousins).
This equates to 700 per kit - seems a bit expensive for a research and
development fund into .........?
As an aside has anyone had any feedback on what Ivan thinks of this
(financial) development in his design.
Steve Pitt #403 Trigear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Administration
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Dont know if anybody saw the article in the Mail On Sunday financial
> section. Headed "Award- winning plane maker grounded by debt" there was a
> picture of Ivan Shaw with the Duke of Edinburgh. The caption Captivated
the
> Duke of Edinburgh with "another observer". I was surprised the paper didnt
> bother to find out who Ivan is but then maybe the omission of his name was
> deliberate.
>
> The article went on to say that KW said the problems were down to "the
next
> project which took longer and cost more than anticipated". I wasnt aware
> they were working on anything unless he meant the glider wings???
>
> I suspect the article was an attempt by the administrator to attract an
> investor with deep pockets. Hope it works.
>
> Carl & Dot
> G-LABS
>
>
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| From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
I know that a few years ago (about 10 or so) that Stoddard-Hamilton the
previous makes of the Glasairs had a lighting strike test aircraft under a
NASA contract. With a N-number something like NxxxLP, the LP for Lighting
Protected. Possibly Bruce Grey from the Glasair website can give you, or
direct you to more information on this aircraft. My very limited
understanding is that they built a wire mess into the composite with
dissipators at the trailing edge surfaces.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://www.engravers.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lightning strike
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> David Joyce wrote:
> > ...
> > Paul's experience strongly suggests that the fitting of a
> > ground wire from wing tip to wing tip gives a significant
> > degree of protection.
> > I had been thinking of retro-fitting nav lights when/if UK
> > Permit privileges are extended, but this makes me feel that
> > it would be worth getting on with it soonest.
>
> I think we need to be careful with words like "significant." I have
> relevant tech documents by the experts, plus reports of other
> incidents to composite aircraft with lighting systems, and it seems
> lightning enters/exits/or doesn't as it wishes.
>
> It is true that the tips of the 4 aircraft extremities are involved in
> almost all incidents for known reasons. What I cannot find is
> anything suggesting that adding wire out to the tips (into the
> relevant "Zone 1A" as they call it) will makes things safer. If
> lightning sees nowhere to travel from a tip in the pre-events
> preceding the actual electrical discharge, it may just do nothing.
>
> Seems to me that if the answer were as simple as heavy gauge wire
> sufficient for many kiloamperes -- from the 4 extremities and easily
> calculated to be a safe arcing distance from other metal -- were a
> solution, it would be an attractive one. But the only approved
> solution after all the research and testing done is metal mesh in the
> skins.
>
> The other thing about a ground and hot wire doing such double duty is
> that it's connected to many other wires. In my case, this includes
> the sender in the fuel tank. Paul has sent me add'l "forensic"
> tidbits concerning his strike, and it seems these pathways may have
> whacked an avionics box and the battery contactor.
>
> In the famous UK glider incident, it involved a metal aileron control
> tube extending out to within Zone 1A. On an unlighted Europa, the
> metal extends only out to about 60% of semispan, electrically miles
> away from this zone.
>
> I also have a doc which suggests one incident, and Paul's, was only a
> little "streamer," not the full bolt. Likely also the one I
> encountered years ago. Hence, minimal physical damage.
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Smart level operation? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Has anyone ever flown with a smart level?
How does acceleration, rate of turn and gs effect it?
If easy to do, next time out bring one along and post results.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
A265
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| Subject: | FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Klinefelter [mailto:kevann@gte.net]
Subject: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe
Hi All, I am cutting the hole for the exhaust tailpipe in the lower cowl
of the 914 powered XS. It looks like the new muffler (silencer) makes the
bulge in the cowling no longer necessary? I was thinking cutting it off and
re-glassing the area smooth and symmetrical with the other side. Has anyone
else done this yet? Probably a lot work for a tiny reduction in drag?
Also the new tailpipe is longer. I have noticed on the XS (pictures) that
the pipe is pointing pretty much down instead of back. A less draggy look
would be aimed back with the flow more. Is there any reason for not aiming
the pipe a lot more aft?
Kevin, A211, N211KA
Working on paint and electrical system
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| Subject: | Europa Administration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
I assume Keith was referring to the Liberty - but I was under the impression
that that project was financially separate from Europa.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Administration
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Hi All,
Dont know if anybody saw the article in the Mail On Sunday financial
section. Headed "Award- winning plane maker grounded by debt" there was a
picture of Ivan Shaw with the Duke of Edinburgh. The caption Captivated the
Duke of Edinburgh with "another observer". I was surprised the paper didnt
bother to find out who Ivan is but then maybe the omission of his name was
deliberate.
The article went on to say that KW said the problems were down to "the next
project which took longer and cost more than anticipated". I wasnt aware
they were working on anything unless he meant the glider wings???
I suspect the article was an attempt by the administrator to attract an
investor with deep pockets. Hope it works.
Carl & Dot
G-LABS
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| Subject: | Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Surely these guys could have managed a roaming agreement? Mine works in
pretty well every country I've ever visited with is - including the US,
Canada, France, Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Denmark,
Switzerland, ... You'd think they could agree roaming access across 60 miles
of Irish Sea!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bryan
Sorry to hear about your mobile phone problems, if you had told me then
I would have let you use mine. The reason for yours not working is that
the I.O.M. is a different country and has its own phone network.
Although the network is owned by BT they (BT) decree that its completely
separate so no connectivity between the two systems. I have the same
problem when in U.K.
Anyway next time let me know and you can make a call on mine. Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
--> <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Alan
Twas nice meeting you at the Isle Of Man. What an unexpected delight the
air display was. I did enjoy it.
For future visitors though I would add just one word of advice. Do not
promise to phone you loved ones to re-assure them that you have safely
transited 60 miles of the Irish Sea. The Rulers of the isle have decreed
that visiting mobiles shall not operate from the island, nor shall they
offer any other means of communication from an airfield.We were advised
that there is a local connection charge for the mobile service. Caused
some unnecessary worries.
All the best. Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Administration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
You are right in that assumption.
The Liberty project and Europa Aviation (as it was known then) went their
separate financial ways about four years ago, about the same time as Keith
took over the management of the company.
The Liberty project would have been too big and costly for EMI to fund. This
was done elsewhere though I believe a major investor in Liberty was also an
investor in Europa Aviation. If you want to know who the key players are in
EMI' have a look on the companies house register. You can get access to this
through a small subscription to 192.com.
Trouble is because of the way companies file accounts it could be up to 12
months out of date. I know Ivan resigned from the board a long time ago.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Administration
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> I assume Keith was referring to the Liberty - but I was under the
impression
> that that project was financially separate from Europa.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Brian.
My Erricson T39 triple band worked OK but wasn't aware of any surcharges!
Probably it was a good job a Canadian Client wasn't in when I 'phoned him !
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
do not archive....
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> Hi Alan
>
> Twas nice meeting you at the Isle Of Man. What an unexpected delight the
air
> display was. I did enjoy it.
>
> For future visitors though I would add just one word of advice. Do not
> promise to phone you loved ones to re-assure them that you have safely
> transited 60 miles of the Irish Sea. The Rulers of the isle have decreed
> that visiting mobiles shall not operate from the island, nor shall they
> offer any other means of communication from an airfield.We were advised
that
> there is a local connection charge for the mobile service.
> Caused some unnecessary worries.
>
> All the best. Bryan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Administration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Steven, (Without prejudice.)
I ensured Ivan was aware or at least checked that HE wasn't allowing the
debacle to happen. He said he was as disappointed as anyone, but wasn't now
connected in any way and hadn't been since it became EMIL.
The Liberty connection wouldn't have been allowed to stand under the
original Department of Trade and Industry Start Up Grant.
Or put another way a second grant wouldn't have been allowable whilst there
was management connection with the original one.
700,000 takes a bit of running up but on my understanding it would only
amount to about 7 years salary of the CE and his wife not withstanding any
other "hanger on" that didn't have any useful input to the company! Then
with photographic trips and costs bouncing back on the Europa Account it
would be quite achievable. Especially if the creditors were a trusting
bunch.
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
do not archive....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Administration
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
<steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> Good spot - I was going to make the same observations as you did.
> It was interesting to note that the article mentioned debts of 700,000 (or
> $1.3m to our Atlantic cousins).
> This equates to 700 per kit - seems a bit expensive for a research and
> development fund into .........?
> As an aside has anyone had any feedback on what Ivan thinks of this
> (financial) development in his design.
> Steve Pitt #403 Trigear
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
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| Subject: | Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I have a Vodafone on a contract and it worked perfectly well in the IOM.
Maybe it was just the service provider Brian is using.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Surely these guys could have managed a roaming agreement?
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| Subject: | Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Kevin,
I pointed my 914 exhaust down in an effort to take the gases away from the
fuselage/wings. Over time underwing and particuarly the port inner flap
hinge fairing collects a brown exhaust deposit. Not really sure how
successful pointing it down is.
regards,
Mike (G-JULZ)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: Europa-List: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Klinefelter [mailto:kevann@gte.net]
> To: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> Subject: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe
>
> Hi All, I am cutting the hole for the exhaust tailpipe in the lower cowl
> of the 914 powered XS. It looks like the new muffler (silencer) makes the
> bulge in the cowling no longer necessary? I was thinking cutting it off
and
> re-glassing the area smooth and symmetrical with the other side. Has
anyone
> else done this yet? Probably a lot work for a tiny reduction in drag?
>
> Also the new tailpipe is longer. I have noticed on the XS (pictures) that
> the pipe is pointing pretty much down instead of back. A less draggy look
> would be aimed back with the flow more. Is there any reason for not aiming
> the pipe a lot more aft?
>
> Kevin, A211, N211KA
> Working on paint and electrical system
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
I have a tri-band Panasonic on Orange with roaming working in the last month
in Indianapolis, Naples Florida, Bermuda and Johannesburg that worked in
Douglas IOM at 7:00 pm but refused point blank after the lecture at 10:30 pm.
Mind you sometimes in won't work in the next village in Hertfordshire. I
blame witchcraft.
Rick Morris
G-RIKS
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Manual |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Pete,
It would be useful for this to be available more widely; I don't recall that
the manual has any indication of "copyright" printed within it (but would
need to check).
In any case I'd be interested in a copy of the Classic POH. The one I was
sent by the Factory covers the XS 1370lbs; not the same.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Peter
>
> I have a Classic manual, if you are desparate I will scan it and send
> you a CD with it on, it will be a bit too big to email.
>
> Let me know.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of p-a.austin
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
>
> When I purchased my Kit ( oh so long ago ) was advised by the oracle
> himself to request the Aircraft manual and pre-flight check list when
> approaching the end of the building stage!?!?!?! But I don't think Ivan
> Shaw could ever have envisaged what has happened to what he started. I
> have a copy of the preflight checklist kindly copied for me by Bill
> Sisley, has anyone any ideas how to obtain a copy of the Europa Aircraft
> Manual?
>
> Regards
>
> Peter Austin
>
> Builder #198
>
>
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>
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>
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--> Europa-List message posted by:
Subject: fuel injected 912
From: Houlihan,Tim
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine failure test for glider wings
Jeff
It's already been done, Gloster strut members will remember that Eddie
Clapham ( ex Rolls Royce development engineer and serial builder of
kitplanes) had a 912 in a RANS Coyote ( or something similar) which he had
installed a fuel injection system. He ran it for some time. Other than that
I don't remember any more details at present. Its possible that Jeremy and I
will see him at the Gloster Strut meeting tomorrow evening.
Regards
Tim Houlihan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine failure test for glider wings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Jeff,
It was I and it's very much a wish of mine - I'm not a fan on steam-age
technology in modern aircraft!
I'm rather behind you with my build, though, so it's unlikely I'll have a
solution in time for you - unless you're happy to retrofit in a few years.
At this stage, I'm just trying to find out who has done what to date - the
factory intercooler is one item that won't need to be developed, for
example.
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| Subject: | Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Mine was an O2 triband. It works throughout Europe and the States. It did
not work there. I spoke to many people at the rally who confirmed the same
problem. Most interesting was the man (a Liverpudlian) who was selling
mobiles and accessories at the rally. It was him who explained the problem
to me.
Surprisingly my wife managed to phone me during the afternoon. She tried
again later but was refused access for the rest of the day.
Regards Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: <RMRRick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
>
> I have a tri-band Panasonic on Orange with roaming working in the last
month
> in Indianapolis, Naples Florida, Bermuda and Johannesburg that worked in
> Douglas IOM at 7:00 pm but refused point blank after the lecture at 10:30
pm.
> Mind you sometimes in won't work in the next village in Hertfordshire. I
> blame witchcraft.
>
> Rick Morris
> G-RIKS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 8/9/04 2:19 PM, owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com at
owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
Tim,
If not just for interesting reading please keep us informed if you find
anything out as to the longevity of the fit. It seams a successful injector
system would eliminate more than one 912 concern and add to the value of the
engine. Surprised Bombardier hasn't offered it yet. It's in some jet skis
and snowmobile I believe.
Regards,
Jeff
A258
> Jeff
>
> It's already been done, Gloster strut members will remember that Eddie
> Clapham ( ex Rolls Royce development engineer and serial builder of
> kitplanes) had a 912 in a RANS Coyote ( or something similar) which he had
> installed a fuel injection system. He ran it for some time. Other than that
> I don't remember any more details at present. Its possible that Jeremy and I
> will see him at the Gloster Strut meeting tomorrow evening.
>
> Regards
>
> Tim Houlihan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine failure test for glider wings
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> It was I and it's very much a wish of mine - I'm not a fan on steam-age
> technology in modern aircraft!
>
> I'm rather behind you with my build, though, so it's unlikely I'll have a
> solution in time for you - unless you're happy to retrofit in a few years.
> At this stage, I'm just trying to find out who has done what to date - the
> factory intercooler is one item that won't need to be developed, for
> example.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Manual |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Duncan,
I have an original classic POH that you are welcome to have - I obtained an
XS POH when I bought the XS Fuselage.
Let me have your address and I'll pop it in the post. If anyone else needs
one, - you have the dot.
regards,
Mike P (G-JULZ)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Pete,
> It would be useful for this to be available more widely; I don't recall
that
> the manual has any indication of "copyright" printed within it (but would
> need to check).
> In any case I'd be interested in a copy of the Classic POH. The one I was
> sent by the Factory covers the XS 1370lbs; not the same.
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > I have a Classic manual, if you are desparate I will scan it and send
> > you a CD with it on, it will be a bit too big to email.
> >
> > Let me know.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of p-a.austin
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
> >
> > When I purchased my Kit ( oh so long ago ) was advised by the oracle
> > himself to request the Aircraft manual and pre-flight check list when
> > approaching the end of the building stage!?!?!?! But I don't think Ivan
> > Shaw could ever have envisaged what has happened to what he started. I
> > have a copy of the preflight checklist kindly copied for me by Bill
> > Sisley, has anyone any ideas how to obtain a copy of the Europa Aircraft
> > Manual?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Peter Austin
> >
> > Builder #198
> >
> >
> > ==
> > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Carb ice is the only significant concern I have with carbs. All hte others
are trade-offs or minor irritations..
Downsides of EFI include dependency on electrical supplies, high current
demand, dependency on roller-cell fuel pumps and their susceptibility to
dirt (or the blockage of the 25 micron filters needed for them), circulating
35 gph of fuel around the circuit and the heating effect of this, high
pressure (3 bar/45psi) fuel lines, SEVERE difficulty in balancing throttle
bodies (unless the system has just one of these), susceptibility to poor
standards of builder's wiring, etc etc!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Injection
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> on 8/9/04 2:19 PM, owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com at
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
>
> Tim,
> If not just for interesting reading please keep us informed if you find
> anything out as to the longevity of the fit. It seams a successful
injector
> system would eliminate more than one 912 concern and add to the value of
the
> engine. Surprised Bombardier hasn't offered it yet. It's in some jet skis
> and snowmobile I believe.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
> A258
>
>
> > Jeff
> >
> > It's already been done, Gloster strut members will remember that Eddie
> > Clapham ( ex Rolls Royce development engineer and serial builder of
> > kitplanes) had a 912 in a RANS Coyote ( or something similar) which he
had
> > installed a fuel injection system. He ran it for some time. Other than
that
> > I don't remember any more details at present. Its possible that Jeremy
and I
> > will see him at the Gloster Strut meeting tomorrow evening.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Tim Houlihan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine failure test for glider wings
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > It was I and it's very much a wish of mine - I'm not a fan on steam-age
> > technology in modern aircraft!
> >
> > I'm rather behind you with my build, though, so it's unlikely I'll have
a
> > solution in time for you - unless you're happy to retrofit in a few
years.
> > At this stage, I'm just trying to find out who has done what to date -
the
> > factory intercooler is one item that won't need to be developed, for
> > example.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Duncan Hi!
>
> Carb ice is the only significant concern I have with carbs. All hte others
> are trade-offs or minor irritations..
> Downsides of EFI include dependency on electrical supplies, high current
> demand, dependency on roller-cell fuel pumps and their susceptibility to
> dirt (or the blockage of the 25 micron filters needed for them), circulating
> 35 gph of fuel around the circuit and the heating effect of this, high
> pressure (3 bar/45psi) fuel lines, SEVERE difficulty in balancing throttle
> bodies (unless the system has just one of these), susceptibility to poor
> standards of builder's wiring, etc etc!
Very weak defence of your argument here Duncan!!!! Hahaha!
Do not archive
Kind Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
What argument?
I've been very careful not to take sides!
Duncan.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Injection
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Duncan Hi!
> >
> > Carb ice is the only significant concern I have with carbs. All hte
others
> > are trade-offs or minor irritations..
> > Downsides of EFI include dependency on electrical supplies, high current
> > demand, dependency on roller-cell fuel pumps and their susceptibility to
> > dirt (or the blockage of the 25 micron filters needed for them),
circulating
> > 35 gph of fuel around the circuit and the heating effect of this, high
> > pressure (3 bar/45psi) fuel lines, SEVERE difficulty in balancing
throttle
> > bodies (unless the system has just one of these), susceptibility to poor
> > standards of builder's wiring, etc etc!
>
> Very weak defence of your argument here Duncan!!!! Hahaha!
>
> Do not archive
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Gerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust Supplier |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
Greetings to one and all,
This is my first venture onto the forum,
but have been a subscriber for a few months - very interesting reading indeed
!! I am part of a group building XS kit 336, mono, 912S, with warp drive prop
(Airmaster in the back of the hanger to retro-fit when we have converted and
got the bugs out of the airframe etc), not far off completion.
The point to my ramblings is as follows : Following the mandatory service bulletin
12 exhaust mod, I have been trying to get hold of the insert, with zero success.
Following the info on the supplier forwarded to the forum (sorry can't remember
by who), I tracked down CKT Aero & Automotive and had a long chat with Chris
Piper about the Europa saga - he has a sad story to tell, with an outcome you
can probably all guess.
However, CKT can supply the insert, not sure on cost, and all aspects of the stainless
exhaust for the 912 & S. very helpful and willing to put himself out,
they have built the last 300 (+/-) systems.
Contact details
CKT Aero & Automotive Engineering
The Old Stores
Lowman Works
Lowman Green
Tiverton
Devon
EX16 4LA
+44 (0) 1884 242211
Regards
Tony Bale
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
Fellow Europians,
Not contributed before tonight, now sending my second
note - wonders will never cease !
Thought I would share a brief tail of woe re-balanced (or un) balanced carbs.
We persisted with the manometers but could only balance at specific points. Long
story down the middle - diagnosed kinked throttle cables and ordered new ones.
Then needed to find a new source - eventually we spoke to Matthew Russell,
he advised we would need to wait a few weeks for him to get a batch up, but would
then forward us the offending items. Pretty much on time, the cables arrived
and result was after a bit of head scratching, we now have carbs pretty much
spot on - and what a difference to ground handling it is too.
Matthew is available on 01653 668169.
Regards
Tony.
Now wizzing round the airfield doing the shake down process and final bits and
pieces.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
David and others,.
With such valid testimony as to a safety benefit, surely your PFA isn't so
anal that they wouldn't allow them? Why don't you disobey them and just put
them on? I know of one fellow who did what he wanted on his a/c, a Europa,
and PFA played catchup finally approving all that he did. I think its about
high time you guys started to dictate some logic into your organisation.
Everyone else seems to be promoting sports aviation, and yet the home of
the Europa seems to want to do the opposite. Approval of mods is about
safety, so tell me, how is a nav light/strobe combination dangerous?? I
know what I'd be doing to my Europa, and I wouldn't tell anyone till they
asked. A smart inspector would never notice.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 08:16 PM 8/9/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>Returned yesterday from Glasgow (Cumbernauld) to Kemble through the
>fringes of Hurricane Alex - 35 kt headwind, 3* turbulence thru Scotland &
>Lake District, 22kts gusting 32kts on finals into Blackpool, etc. But the
>thing that really kept me awake was the embedded Cunims said to be in the
>front we were trying to outrun as it approached from the W. Much aware of
>the glider whose wings blew apart, and regretting having no chute! My
>rather anxious & rather seasick passenger managed to see two flashes,
>which I am pretty certain were reflections of the fin mounted strobe on
>the metal frame of his specs, but added something to the atmosphere!
> In the aftermath of this it was particularly interesting to read
> about Paul's strike, and many congratulations Paul on surviving! The
> point that I am coming to is that I would not expect to have survived a
> lightning strike on my plane yesterday. Having no nav lights, I guess the
> lightning path would have involved an arc across the enclosed wing space
> to the control runs. My understanding of the glider episode reports was
> that it was the massive heating of the air in an enclosed space that
> produced enough expansion to blow the wing apart, and I did not think
> that water was a key part of it (but I may be wrong on that).
> Paul's experience strongly suggests that the fitting of a ground
> wire from wing tip to wing tip gives a significant degree of protection.
> I had been thinking of retro-fitting nav lights when/if UK Permit
> privileges are extended, but this makes me feel that it would be worth
> getting on with it soonest. The glider report included analysis of
> lightning strike data for the day to give a close estimate of the
> strength of the strike. It would be interesting and possibly important,
> Paul if it were possible to get that info for your strike.
>David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Hi Kevin,
If it's not too much trouble could you give me a list of parts in the FWF
kit. I got my engine before the demise of Europa but everything else it
looks like I'll need to source myself should the company not come back.
Some things I know I need.
cowlings
exhaust system
radiators( coolent,& oil)
engine mount
throtlle cable
install manual
the rest is a mistry
thanks much,
craig ellison
silverton OR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: Europa-List: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Klinefelter [mailto:kevann@gte.net]
> To: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> Subject: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe
>
> Hi All, I am cutting the hole for the exhaust tailpipe in the lower cowl
> of the 914 powered XS. It looks like the new muffler (silencer) makes the
> bulge in the cowling no longer necessary? I was thinking cutting it off
and
> re-glassing the area smooth and symmetrical with the other side. Has
anyone
> else done this yet? Probably a lot work for a tiny reduction in drag?
>
> Also the new tailpipe is longer. I have noticed on the XS (pictures) that
> the pipe is pointing pretty much down instead of back. A less draggy look
> would be aimed back with the flow more. Is there any reason for not aiming
> the pipe a lot more aft?
>
> Kevin, A211, N211KA
> Working on paint and electrical system
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Manual |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick" <gdale2@juno.com>
Hi Rob,
I would greatly appreciate it if you would send me a copy of the POH for
a Europa Tri- Gear.
Thanks
Dale
#A140 now with 42 hours!
Fallbrook, CA
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| Subject: | Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
> It looks like the new muffler (silencer) makes the
> bulge in the cowling no longer necessary? I was thinking cutting it
off and
> re-glassing the area smooth and symmetrical with the other
side...Probably a
> lot work for a tiny reduction in drag?
>
> Also the new tailpipe is longer. I have noticed on the XS (pictures)
that
> the pipe is pointing pretty much down instead of back. A less draggy
look
> would be aimed back with the flow more. Is there any reason for not
aiming
> the pipe a lot more aft?
Answer to both...got a wind tunnel? :-)
It's a real skinny pipe, so ain't talking much. But a round pipe
angled becomes a messy oval for less drag, as you implied. As I look
at various production aircraft, seems they either don't care or know
why they shouldn't care.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Klinefelter [mailto:kevann@gte.net]
> A less draggy look would be aimed back with the flow
> more. Is there any reason for not aiming the pipe a lot more aft?
A little bit aft is no problem, but if you aim it too far aft, it gets hard
to remove the lower cowl, which prefers to move mostly downward first,
rather than aft.
Dave Deford
N135TD (flying)
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